No goals? No problem

What do those things even have to do with each other?

>Yusuke
First Arc:Prove that he's worth another chance at life
Second Arc: Save his town from the saint beasts
Third Arc: Rescues Yukina
Fourth Arc: Defeat Toguro
Fifth Arc: Stop Sunsei from destroying the Kekkai Barrier
Sixth Arc: To find out who he really is too bad
Togashi cut the arc short. seemed like this one was going to be the most character driven.

>Ichigo
First Arc: Defeat the hollow of the week
Second Arc:Save Rukia
Third Arc:Save Orihime and stop Aizen
Four Arc:Regain power stop Ginjo
Fifth Arc: Stop Bach

Ichigo stays the same from the first through the fifth arc he's only changes would be an increase in power.

Yusuke changes before the the second arc. His time as a ghost showed him how people truly felt about him. he becomes friends with Kuwabara and becomes more respectful towards Keiko.

They both may not have overarching goals, but Yusuke does develop. Plus they way his plays off everyone is interesting to watch.

What does Ichigo have?

A residence free of rent inside your head

>Ichigo stays the same from the first through the fifth arc he's only changes would be an increase in power.

Your speedreading is evident, Ichigo develops in every arc. In fact all of Ichigo's "power-ups" directly correlate to his character development.

Really it was hard to tell I guess a nothing character is easy to forget.

What development?

Cope

>Getting his ass beat
>crying
>getting another power-up
>win
>repeat

How does he change as a character other than gaining new powers? Kenpachi and Rukia have more character development than Ichigo.

Everyone save your time. This thread is gearing up to be a repeat of

>Soul Society - Ichigo attains power by learning to bond with his sword, instead of just using it as a weapon. This is significant because it is in fact a piece of his soul, one that roughly corresponds to the super-ego. In other words his basic tendency was to throw himself into danger and deal with the consequences; by synchronizing with his sword he begins to learn self-discipline.

He then throw himself into danger when saves Orihime from Yami and need Kisuke to save him.

>Arrancar/Hueco Mundo - in this arc Ichigo attains power by learning to control his inner Hollow, which represents the Id. His Hollow is violent but also is Ichigo's self-preservation instinct, by coming to terms with this Ichigo discovers that mercy is not something he can always afford his opponents (ie Ulquiorra).

>Deicide - Ichigo's defeat of Aizen is one he attains through self-sacrifice, a decision he makes when confronting the combination of his two powers (which ultimately form the Ego). Now not only is he strong enough to defeat Aizen, he is able to see from Aizen's perspective, which shows Ichigo's maturity.

How do these change him overall as a character

ichigo is the ryan gosling of battle shonen protagonists
he doesn't need to outwardly express himself

>Lost Agent- after the timeskip, Ichigo feels that hes lost his purpose without his powers; by returning his powers to him Ichigo realizes that the bonds he made as a Shinigami weren't forgotten, fulfilling the karmic cycle that came with his sacrifice.

That fucking expression makes me feel a violent desire to rape him until he stop looking at me like that. Fucking smug orange bitch.

t. Grimmjow

>Final Arc- Upon learning the truth about his parents and the nature of his powers, Ichigo is able to reforge his Zanpakuto- once again, both the Id and Super-Ego are in harmony. In the final battle against Yhwach, Ichigo defeats him with a swing of his original Zangetsu, showing that despite all opposition, Ichigo has managed to remain true to himself, and that his real power is not something that can be lost, stolen, or destroyed.

Grimmjow surely felt that at some point.

You have to remember that at the start of the series, Ichigo's power is something he has borrowed from someone else; its not something hes earned for himself. By the end of Ichigo's journey, he has learned to take responsibility for himself, make difficult choices and deal with their consequences, and ultimately to allow himself to rely upon others when needed- something he struggled with for years due to his own pent-up feelings of survivor's guilt.

Someone finally fucking gets it. I thought this place was full of retards.

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Well would you look at that, actual character depth for ichigo. Yea Forums told me this wasn't real

>Ichigo's power is something he has borrowed from someone else; its not something hes earned for himself
He didn't earn anything either since it was all given by birth
>make difficult choices and deal with their consequences
What consequences?
>lost his power after beating Aizen
Which got fixed the next arc
>ultimately to allow himself to rely upon others when needed
Already did it when he rushed to save Rukia, it's not a major development for him

>He didn't earn anything either since it was all given by birth
Having potential =! Obtaining strength. Ichigo had to work at being able to use his latent power.

>What consequences?
>Already did it when he rushed to save Rukia, it's not a major development for him
Not even remotely the same thing, pay attention.

Just like how naruto didnt earn shit because he had the nine tails at birth FUCK YOU

well yeah

>Having potential =! Obtaining strength. Ichigo had to work at being able to use his latent power.
As opposed to other characters who had been training for hundreds of years yet it didn't come close to Ichigo after a few years?
Those two are not even consequences. Where are the negative effects on Ichigo? Hell in the last part Ichigo regained his power because Orihime loltimepower for him.
>Not even remotely the same thing, pay attention.
If he wanted to do everything by himself he would have done it so instead of letting anyone ever help him.
Yes that's the point. The Big Three (Luffy, Ichigo and Naruto) have been special by birth.

axed series lol

>Which got fixed the next arc
Reductioing argument

>Ichigo doesn't have a motivation

He literally said "I will do the job of the Soul Reaper and deal with those problems because I owe you a debt for helping me save my family Rukia" IN CHAPTER 2

>As opposed to other characters who had been training for hundreds of years yet it didn't come close to Ichigo after a few years?
That is true for all Shinigami, not just Ichigo. Obtsining power in Bleach requires personal growth, which is why characters like Yumichika and Rangiku have been surpassed by others.

>Those two are not even consequences. Where are the negative effects on Ichigo?
You seem to have missed the emotional toll that killing a living, conscious being had on Ichigo after killing Ulquiorra.

>If he wanted to do everything by himself he would have done it so instead of letting anyone ever help him.

Thats exactly my point though. Compare how he always left Orihime on the sidelines in every other arc to the point where he finally allows her to accompany him to fight Yhwach.

>First arc
>60 percent of it is wasted time

>Second arc
>He only got demon treasures

>Third arc
Fought in a tournament that he didn't think he would get training from

>4th arc
>Saint Beasts are literal filler

5th arc
>Rescue's Yukina

>6th arc
Defeat Toguro

>7th arc
>ACTUAL confrontation with someone who was once like him

>final arc
>Literally told to fight a dude because some demon he barely knew told him to

Looks to me like you forgot some things AND tried to make it look like Yusuke was better. Nice Try Togashi fanboy

Well that's good enough up till the end of SS. What's his motivation then? Also, another motvation he had in SS was his personal vendetta against Byakuya, you know that "there's a reason older brothers are born first" thing

>Forgot about the Hollow problems
>Hybrids AKA Arrancar were introduced in the tales of the Shinigami
>Forgot about the whole QUINCY NEARLY CAUSED THE END OF THE WORLD stuff

There is a reason why that Saga and Arc happened. Otherwise, Bleach would have ended at volume 20 with no sign of Aizen anywhere.

Kubo set up the problems early on (Human problems, Soul Reaper Problems, Hollow/Arrancar problems, Quincy problems) within the first 6 volumes

>What's his motivation then?
Still the same speedreader-kun

>even babies

This nigga sounds like a fucking villain

>another motvation he had in SS was his personal vendetta against Byakuya

It was never personal; even Byakuya eventually realized that it was the unjust nature of Soul Society that Ichigo was fighting against from the start. This both serves to show how Ichigo was able to attain his victory, while simultaneously setting up for the next arc in which Ichigo's conviction would fail him against Ulquiorra.

Lol i'm pro-Ichigo, i like him. Just wondering. I did mention his byakuya big brother vendetta (none of you other pro-ichigos did) so i thought i established myself as that

>It was never personal

LOL, it definitely was. He was fucking pissed at him, not only because of Soul society BS, but mostly the Big brother thing. Kubo would never have made the quote about big brothers if Ichigo couldn't see himself in Byakuya's position. From earlier episodes we see how protective Ichigo is with his sisters. Byakuya telling Rukia to die really made ichigo mad, as he himself is an older brother

It's time.

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>Not personal btw

Do you know why the big brother is born first? It’s to protect the little brothers and sisters that come after him. A brother telling his sister, "I’ll kill you"... You never, ever say something like that.

The problem with Ichigo is that the arc repeats over and over
Again.

I'm literally quoting Byakuya with that first line, user. Way to miss the entire point of Soul Society arc.

By every arc you mean SS and HM.

Now an Anime that REALLY repeats itself is OP

Except he doesn't. Hueco Mundo was a subversion. Neither subsequent arcs followed the same formula.

Did Urahara plant spy cams on Ichigo and Orihime's bedroom?

You're wrong, it was obviously personal. It's easy to prove this aswell, as even despite Soul society doesn't change shit (Byakuya not being a dick has nothing to do with the soul society being dicks, they don't give a fuck) Ichigo could care less. He doesn't give a fuck about soul society's wrongdoings as long as Rukia's fine. Which is also why he doesn't give a shit about SS's treatment of the vizards

>Which is also why he doesn't give a shit about SS's treatment of the vizards
How would he have even known about that exactly

And it repeated when the old villians came back in to save everyone as the good goys. Face it without the artwork and Spanish the manga would be in deep crap territory.

Not wrong but Yu Yu Hakasho never went down in the rankings and was all over the place and shit itself so badly at the end that it had the anime cancelled and pulled a lackluster effort at the end of the final manga arc.

>repeated when the old villians came back in to save everyone as the good goys
When did that happen originally?

Consequence only works when they have actual lasting effects. If it get negated when the mc faces a new problem then it's not a consequence.
For example the character Kasumi in Baki learned how to strike at the speed of sound but his arm couldn't take it. By the end he lost an arm. That is a consequence. Here Ichigo basically faced almost no consequence at all. It would be valid if he didn't regain his shinigami power (or even gaining new Quincy power) but asking help from other captains to save his friends.
>That is true for all Shinigami, not just Ichigo. Obtsining power in Bleach requires personal growth, which is why characters like Yumichika and Rangiku have been surpassed by others.
Again, his power was given by birth and not something he earned. Even with the same growth speed as others Ichigo had it much, much easier when he got multiple powerful bloodlines while others could only use 1 or 2 type of power. It's like saying that Heracles earned his power while he actually didn't.
>You seem to have missed the emotional toll that killing a living, conscious being had on Ichigo after killing Ulquiorra.
Stop overexaggeratting it as if Ichigo was a pacifist in the first place. Again it's not a consequence since it has no negative effect and doesn't affect him in combat or daily life. Not even PTSD.
>Thats exactly my point though. Compare how he always left Orihime on the sidelines in every other arc to the point where he finally allows her to accompany him to fight Yhwach.
Because she could get killed casually until Ichigo was out of option and had to use everything he could to beat Yhwach who was a deus ex machina himself. Again he had been taking help from others ever since Rukia rescue arc, this is not a major thing for him.

>pulled a lackluster effort at the end of the final manga arc.
Yes, it did

>First arc
>60 percent of it is wasted time
Important for Yusuke's development
>Second arc
>He only got demon treasures
Set up that not all demons are selfish, develops Yusuke's feeling towards Keiko, shows Yusuke selflessness towards Kurama and justified Hiei and Kurama's inclusion in the Saint Beast arc
>Third arc
>Fought in a tournament that he didn't think he would get training from
Under the order of finding Rando We learn of Kuwabara spirit awareness and Genkai's message of stealing power compared to earning and developing them. sets up Genkai as a mother figure for Yusuke that can actually get through to him.
>final arc
>Literally told to fight a dude because some demon he barely knew told him to
What about the initial reason which is Yusuke's Identity crisis and the malice the spirit world shows toward him.I already mentioned that it was cut short. if you could read you would have seen it.

>reductioing intensifies

It's okay. You don't have to argue when you have nothing to prove.

Irony

Source that Yu Yu Hakasho was drawing poorly and the manga artist gave up at the end?

>Consequence only works when they have actual lasting effects.
Explain how Ichigo killing Ulquiorra didn't have a lasting effect.

>Again, his power was given by birth and not something he earned
Now you're just completely ignoring literal plot points. Ichigo had all his power from birth but had no way to access it without training. By your logic he would have been Aizen-tier since he was a teenager.

>it's not a consequence since it has no negative effect and doesn't affect him in combat or daily life.
It literally affects him in the Deicide arc and affects how he dealt with Aizen, as I already explained. Nothing is being exaggerated; this is an actual plot point from the manga.

>Again he had been taking help from others ever since Rukia rescue arc, this is not a major thing for him.

He always put the majority of the burden in combat on himself until very late in the manga. Stop repeating yourself and find a better argument. Cope.

what the fuck is going with his eye over there, jesus christ

I don't know, where's yours?

Don't mind me, just posting the absolute dullest Bleach character who rightfully should've been killed.

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>just posting the absolute dullest Bleach character who rightfully should've been killed.
You're not wrong, but his scenes in the Renji x Rukia wedding novel were cute.

>I hate popular characters!
So brave

will i ever be happy?will i get a gf?

>Explain how Ichigo killing Ulquiorra didn't have a lasting effect.
He killed him and got a powerup but no consequence
>Now you're just completely ignoring literal plot points. Ichigo had all his power from birth but had no way to access it without training. By your logic he would have been Aizen-tier since he was a teenager.
He actually did beat Aizen with such a short time of training that makes the rest looks like shit to him. If Ichigo didn't have all of those special bloodline he wouldn't have been able to beat Aizen with the same amount of training
>It literally affects him in the Deicide arc and affects how he dealt with Aizen, as I already explained. Nothing is being exaggerated; this is an actual plot point from the manga.
You are exaggerating it. I have shown the definition of consequence above. Here Ichigo quickly regained his power instead of losing it forever as advertised. There was no consequence for his actions (sacrifice). At the end of that arc he regained his power and casually beat Ginjou.
>He always put the majority of the burden in combat on himself until very late in the manga. Stop repeating yourself and find a better argument. Cope.
Yet he had others deal with the enemies in early arc. Stop ignoring that. Ichigo seeking help wasn't a major thing in his character development.

Self-inserts are usually a hybrid of multiple "good" qualities, i.e. a Mary Sue or Gary Stu.

That isn't what those words mean...

speedreader

Ichigo wants to be everyones overprotective older brother.

>He killed him and got a powerup but no consequence
Ichigo didn't want to kill Ulquiorra, the consequence was Ichigo having to compromise his morals, I already explained as much.

>He actually did beat Aizen with such a short time of training that makes the rest looks like shit to him. If Ichigo didn't have all of those special bloodline he wouldn't have been able to beat Aizen with the same amount of training
Again, thats not the point. He still had to train to be able to reach that level. No one is arguing his latent ability wasn't a factor.

>Here Ichigo quickly regained his power instead of losing it forever as advertised
Now you are the one who is exaggerating, because it was neither quick nor expected by the protagonist. Soul Society essentially broke their own laws because they owed Ichigo at least that much, hence it was good karma.

>Ichigo seeking help wasn't a major thing in his character development.
Repeating yourself doesn't make it true. Take the loss, user.

Aye!

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Dumbfu*k, Saint Seiya influence Bleach.

its a yuyu hakusho copy until the soul society arc, it doesnt have any tourney arcs

ichigo might be the blandest shonen jump mc

>Ichigo didn't want to kill Ulquiorra, the consequence was Ichigo having to compromise his morals, I already explained as much.
Well it's more like Ul died from bleeding. Unless I miss the part where Ichigo said that he was a pacifist it didn't change anything.
I guess it makes him somewhat better when he stopped being a pussy when it comes to killing then.
>Again, thats not the point. He still had to train to be able to reach that level. No one is arguing his latent ability wasn't a factor.
It is a much bigger factor than the training part. Taken Chad for example, if he was asked to kill Aizen then with the same amount of training he wouldn't be able to do it due to the lack of bloodline. Again for my example I point at Heracles who was pretty much born to win. Ichigo was the same case when he was born with many special bloodline. His power was handed to him. The training part gets overshadowed by birth power so much that it matters only so little.
>Now you are the one who is exaggerating, because it was neither quick nor expected by the protagonist. Soul Society essentially broke their own laws because they owed Ichigo at least that much, hence it was good karma.
So no actual lasting consequence which affects him negatively in combat or daily life?
It would be valid if Ichigo didn't regain his power but let the captains deal with Ginjou but no he got his power again after 'sacrificing' it.
>Repeating yourself doesn't make it true. Take the loss, user.
Well I guess we have to disagree to agree then since your words don't stop Ichigo seeking for help in early arc.

>Unless I miss the part where Ichigo said that he was a pacifist it didn't change anything.
He literally said "this isn't the way I wanted to win". Losing control of his hollow half was a moral loss for Ichigo, his ideals collapsed to Ulquiorras.

>His power was handed to him. The training part gets overshadowed by birth power so much that it matters only so little.
This has nothing to do with my argument. Ichigo had to attain inner growth to attain that power, just being born with it was not enough.

>So no actual lasting consequence which affects him negatively in combat or daily life?
Ichigo had the ability to see spirits since bith; yeah, I would say losing that for two years was a lasting consequence.

>Well I guess we have to disagree to agree then since your words don't stop Ichigo seeking for help in early arc.
You have no argument here. Cope.

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Your bait is bland

>He literally said "this isn't the way I wanted to win". Losing control of his hollow half was a moral loss for Ichigo, his ideals collapsed to Ulquiorras.
Doesn't mean he's a pacifist as he had cut down multiple hollow before. Not wanting to kill someone who had obviously hurt his friends for a lousy reason is a sign of a pussy.
>This has nothing to do with my argument. Ichigo had to attain inner growth to attain that power, just being born with it was not enough.
Your argument is that Ichigo needs training to use his power. My argument is that Ichigo didn't earn any of his power since he didn't do anything to receive them. Try to refute my Heracles example then.
>Ichigo had the ability to see spirits since bith; yeah, I would say losing that for two years was a lasting consequence.
Which doesn't affect him negatively in combat or daily life. By the end of that arc he also regained his power so again the consequence went away.
>You have no argument here. Cope.
Yours is a weak argument about his development while he had already shown it much earlier. Feel free to use any buzzword when you don't have the proof to convince others.

>Doesn't mean he's a pacifist as he had cut down multiple hollow before.
Thats like saying killing an animal is the same as killing a human being. Ulquiorra was for all purposes sentient and coherent, which makes a huge difference.

>Your argument is that Ichigo needs training to use his power. My argument is that Ichigo didn't earn any of his power since he didn't do anything to receive them.
He trained for his power; thats a direct refutation of your argument that you have no answer to.

>Which doesn't affect him negatively in combat or daily life. By the end of that arc he also regained his power so again the consequence went away.
It did affect him negatively as I explained in my original post, therefore its still a consequence.

>Yours is a weak argument about his development while he had already shown it much earlier
And your a broken record, cope.

>Thats like saying killing an animal is the same as killing a human being. Ulquiorra was for all purposes sentient and coherent, which makes a huge difference.
That's like saying killing a criminal who hurts your friends is wrong. Not like Ichigo has PTSD and it affected his performance during combat or daily life either.
>He trained for his power; thats a direct refutation of your argument that you have no answer to.
Training doesn't mean anything if Ichigo doesn't have any special bloodline in the first place. People who train more than him couldn't achieve what he could. You can't even refute the Heracles example when Heracles was born to win, Ichigo had the same circumstance when he was born to win.
>It did affect him negatively as I explained in my original post, therefore its still a consequence.
Which does not last. Stop ignoring that fact. A consequence doesn't work when it doesn't last.
>And your a broken record, cope.
You are the broken record one user.

youtube.com/watch?v=7l11oueKjgU

>Not like Ichigo has PTSD and it affected his performance during combat
This literally happens immediately after with Yammy and Gin.

>Training doesn't mean anything if Ichigo doesn't have any special bloodline in the first place
I never said otherwise. Besides, having a Shinigami parent doesn't guarantee a good Shinigami child.

>A consequence doesn't work when it doesn't last
It did last. Two years. It still counts. Getting release from jail after 30 years doesn't mean you didn't fave any consequences.

>You are the broken record one user
Which is why you're literally mimicking me now, cope.

>This literally happens immediately after with Yammy and Gin.
Yammy was a fucking joke, hell he didn't even damage Ichigo and got rekt later offscreen. Gin was helping Ichigo the whole time so there was no tension nor risk.
>I never said otherwise. Besides, having a Shinigami parent doesn't guarantee a good Shinigami child.
Both parents are good though but point conceded.
>It did last. Two years. It still counts. Getting release from jail after 30 years doesn't mean you didn't fave any consequences.
Being jailed is not an accurate example. It would be an user who lost his gold Yea Forums account for 2 years then regained it.

>Yammy was a fucking joke, hell he didn't even damage Ichigo and got rekt later offscreen. Gin was helping Ichigo the whole time so there was no tension nor risk.
You are now by definition, moving the goalposts.

>Being jailed is not an accurate example. It would be an user who lost his gold Yea Forums account for 2 years then regained it.
The example simply counters your inaccurate definition of consequence, and your latest example is really no better. I assume we're just about done here?

>You are now by definition, moving the goalposts.
The argument is that Ichigo didn't suffer from PTSD and it showed. He didn't. No consequence of moment of mistake during combat.
>The example simply counters your inaccurate definition of consequence, and your latest example is really no better. I assume we're just about done here?
Your example is not accurate. First being jailed means you have done something wrong, not only you get caged in one place but you also have to live with those who did the same thing as you. This is not what happened to Ichigo.
Second after being released from jail your reputation suffers a lot and people generally don't trust or want to work with you. This is not what happened to Ichigo.
As for my example:
First Ichigo has a privilege, something that normal people don't usually have which is a gold account.
Second he 'sacrificed' his gold account (power) then lost it for two years but that does not mean he couldn't shitpost on any non-premium board like normal people. (Well he still had Quincy power and others but it's not that grave).
Third he regained the gold account (power) at the end which removed the consequence of 'sacrificing' it in the first place.
Well yeah we're done if you don't have anything else to argue.

>The argument is that Ichigo didn't suffer from PTSD and it showed. He didn't.
Then we didn't read the same manga. Plain and simple.

>Well yeah we're done if you don't have anything else to argue.
All my points held up, I guess you could say I was humoring you with my reponces. Hope you got something out of it.

>Ichigo as a character doesn't change

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>not a single change in the slightest

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Feel free to post a pic of him having PTSD then.
>All my points held up, I guess you could say I was humoring you with my reponces. Hope you got something out of it.
Some of your points are conceded since you can't refute but it's okay. Let everyone else see which one is right.

>Let everyone else see which one is right.
I already did, three hours ago.

Well not like anyone agrees with you or me

They had jobs/duties, which is fine. Ichigo's problem is being boring.

>Youtube garbage
Nu-Yea Forums is full effect.

>Ichigo attains power by learning to bond with his sword, instead of just using it as a weapon.
He doesn't. After the Zangetsu is relegated back to being a weapon. He's never even treated as a stand, let alone as a companion. There are no conversations between him and Ichigo and he's never on screen except when he's summoned out of Ichigo's anus to bullshit up a training session. which happens one, for bankai, and then 5 million chapters later once more, for final getsuga tensho.

Zangatsu is a weapon, and Kubo is a bitch. How you bitches do this is you fuse your imagination with the manga, for some reason. You pretend Ichigo and Zangetsu became friends from that day onward, despite it never being portrayed.

He's a bitch about all the other developments too. Development in Bleach is only teased, not actually implemented. Nothing broke the shonen status quo of writing in that manga during its entire circulation.

>Ichigo's power is something he has borrowed from someone else; its not something hes earned for himself.
That stops being the case from the moment he first gains Zangetsu, which is like chapter 20-30 or something. During his first visit to his inner world Zangetsu tells him he has his own shinigami powers. The power he uses to enter Soul Society to save Rukia is already not a borrowed one.
>SS accepts him and gives him power after he loses it
And that is a character development for Soul Society, not Ichigo. Ichigo is the same character.

>Ichigo didn't want to kill Ulquiorra, the consequence was Ichigo having to compromise his morals
That's your interpretation. The urban legend that Ichigo starts using the japanese word for "kill" rather than "defeat" when talking about his opponents onward has already been disprove. And if you look at how Ichigo fights through Bleach many of his blows are killing blows. his enemies only survive because the plot says so. He practically cuts Renji in half with a point black proto-getsuga, and Kenpachi only lives because Yachiru called Unohana. He aims to stab Byakuya through the chest at least twice.

Ichigo only had a low kill streak because the manga said so, nut because he fought carefully to avoid killing anyone. This is mostly the case with most shonen protagonists and whenever the morality of killing comes up as a subject it's always tacked on. It's fake. Pretentious. Made up on the spot. Retroactively added. Pseudo-intellectual.
>He still had to train to be able to reach that level.
He didn't. He got owned by Zangetsu in his inner world for months straight until he figured out it's about him letting himself be stabbed by him to "accept him in". If he wasn't a dumb shit and did that on day one the "training" would've lasted exactly one hour. Don't act like he did a one punch man training to get to the final getsuga tensho. It was a mindgame with a reward.
>Soul Society essentially broke their own laws
It's not "breaking the law" when Central 46 is dead and old man yama calls all the shots.

>The state of Ichigo's non existant Character

Why are Bleachfags so insane?

it's baffling where this Ichigo/Bleach defense force is coming from.
Like out of any character to defend in this shitty series they chose the most boring, cardboard hill to die on.

Weirds me out because I used to really like Bleach but I liked talking about what could have been better and what was actually enjoyable about it.
Who'd have known there are people out there going nuts over fucking Ichigo being a well written and developed character.

What are you talking about, dude (Ichigo) had good grades in highschool, helped his dad busissnes and even had time for her sisters. And on top of that was a part time soul reaper. Early Ichigo was a soft comedy down to earth. Then Kubo got kubo'd and after-during SS everything went full shounen shit.

I'd that the insanity better if Ichigo was actually developed and well written. Ichigo was the most boring character the series.

The retard strikes back

Ichigo always states his goal as some cringy shit like "to protect my friends".

So this is how the brain of a speedreader works

He doesn't treat Zangetsu as a companion because its been trying to take control ever since he got the maskz

Ichigo doesn't have any goals. Now shut the fuck up bitch.

Yusuke is also dead.

This guy is a retarded who can't even link pages that corroborate his argument

Demon world, and the conflict therin, is a manifestation of the chaos that exists, in part in nature, but also due to his self indulgence and apathy as a youth. His goal is to unravel that chaos so that he can have a life (with keiko). Solid goal.
Ichigo? Idk, gotta get the biggest sword? Wtf was the point of bleach anyway

Ichigo's character development is the power up.

His battles with his Inner Hollow amount to nothing of substance thematically or philosophically. There's no driving question in his life. There's nothing he wants other than to protect his friends.

And they don't even do anything interesting with that, like "At what cost?" or "Which friend means the most to you?"

Nobody will ever consider Kubo to be a good character writer or respect Bleach.I don't even know why they are trying.

He trained centuries to beat Aizen

Fucking speedreader the other hollows when cut returned to being humans spirits

Just remember that Bleach was cancelled back in 2012, and that's really all anyone needs to know about "Development"

Bleach. First 65 episodes were excellent. Everything past that is absolute garbage. Prove me wrong!

This.

The hell you on to think that Gin and Ichigo fight did not have tension

Aizen fucking says that Ichigo is reluctantly to kill him

Here comes another retarded analogy hell weren't you done after the unicorn fiasco??

>people on Yea Forums now actively defend bleach and naruto
how far has this board fallen
soon it will just be another Yea Forums. It even has the same fanbase wars bullshit.

Ichigos kills Ginjo on the first chance he gets he never had done that to a enemy before

Bleach has it flaws but character development is not one of them

>First Arc:Prove that he's worth another chance at life
>First Arc: Defeat the hollow of the week
You do know how blatantly retarded you are, right?

except we knew that from the start and Naruto's arc wasn't about getting stronger

Then ironically it becomes a Saint Seiya copy, then does the same shit again, then goes back to being a Yuyu copy.

they are like battered wives that can't stand others talking shit about their scumbag of a husband

It's more of a Mankin rip-off

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>Ichigo stays the same from the first through the fifth arc
Not really. He turns into a boring emoshit after the second arc.
But I agree on the rest.

YYH is better than Bleach but honestly ?

Ichigo being part Hollow in the SS arc was handled and foreshadowed so much better than Yusuke being part demon.

Not even mentioning how the latter revelation completely shat on the ideals and message of the DT arc.

>Kurosaki Bitchigo
>Urameshi Punksuke
Make way for the REAL GOAT Shonen Protag.

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>b-b-but Naruto
That's not an argument you fucking toddler, holy shit.

>"One day mother, I will avenge you"
>*Isshin kills Grande Fisher in Arrancar arc and the whole issue gets treated like it was no big deal*
That's when you know Kubo completely gave up.

>Ichigo didn't want to kill Ulquiorra
Literally why?
It's not like he made reservations about killing Hollows before.

Ichigo literally is bitchmade from the Arrancar arc and beyond.

He went from a fun character to a shit boring one

They spent too much of their life in this shit series so they constantly try to justify it.

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His original goal was to avenge his mother but Kubo changed it because you can't make an overly drawn-out long piece of shit with that premise.

I can't. Except that I liked the bount arc.

>Bleach has it flaws but character development is not one of them

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>this happens right after SS arc
Bleach going to shit after SS is NOT a meme.

>Ichigo being part Hollow in the SS arc
Ichigo being part Hollow wasn't foreshadowed.
Hollow Ichigo(no fuck you I will never call him Zangetsu) was born during his dangerous training with Urahara when he almost turned into a hollow.
Kubo is an idiot so he later retconned it.

Wouldn't call it excellent but it's okay.

It never was a meme.

Killing mindless beasts and former mindless beasts who now have clear human qualities and ambition is like night and day.

Same reason he didn't want to kill Dordoni, Grimmjow and even saved the latter from Noitora.

This one makes perfect sense.

This.
The excellent remark should be reserved for prime DB, YYH, RuroKen, Mankin, HxH etc.

The cold punk demeanor is nothing but a mask that he uses to hide his true self. He is just a sensible kid suffering from a traumatic event, blaming himself for what happened. The reason he takes on the soul reaper duties is because more than anything else, he wants to protect himself. He doesn't want to get hurt again by loosing someone which results in his hero complex. In the desperate attempt of wanting to protect his friends he doesn't even put trust in their strength.

This mentality comes to bite him in the ass during the ulquiorra fight. He does the exact opposite of what he wants. He slaughter's an enemy, almost kills a friend and turns into the same monster he was fighting against. This is the first time he comes face to face with his selfish desires and their consequences. Deciding to sacrifice his powers to defeat Aizen is him accepting his selfish side and deciding to overcome that by sacrificing the very tool to protect others for this one Instance. His arc reaches its conclusion when he accepts the death of Misaki after learning the truth from ishinn and thanking him. He also overcomes his hero complex by asking Orihime for assistance for the first time in the story. He literally fights against a guy who wants to erase death from existence while overcoming tge grief over the death of his own mother. A great thematic conclusion to his arc.

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I meant the hollow showing up after said training and saving him allthroughout the SS arc culminating in him taking over during his fight with Byakuya. When the mask always showed up and saved him from fights like vs Renji annd Kenpachi.

Compared to Yusuke's sudden asspull demon heritage that made way more sense even if the latter is from a better overall series.

Yet he was prepared to murder the fuck out of Aizen but ok.

>Ulquiorra was a literal representation of nihilism
>Mocks materialistic desires and says how futile they are as a means to keep living.
>Gets defeated by those same desires turning into a mindless monster, showing him the importance of them and changing his outlook on humans.
>The page is ulquiorra (utter emptiness) or what he thought he was with his last conscious thoughts being about the same desires he reject before ironically turning into nothing.
>One of the best character growths in manga
>The culmination of said growth so perfect that a single world on a white page is enough to convey the emotion perfectly in a visual medium.
Kubo is a misunderstood genius.

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This desu. The Hogyoku was a mistake and the hybrids were a mistake. If you ask me, he did it only to copy both YYH and Naruto because inner demon shit was popular at the time. That's what Kubo did after SS. The story as far as he planned was over but the manga became too big to end and he was convinced to keep telling the story, but nothing he came up with after SS was even remotely the same level of planned and executed as before. He had some things in escrow (menos, Rukia's powers, Urahara's shifty past) but the entire rest of the manga and what it was about wasn't as developed an idea as the "save Rukia arc." It was just scenes he probably had in mind, connected by uncreative developments and bad writing decisions.

Bad designs, too. Most of the ahe arrancars and their released forms looked like they came straight out of anime filler.

Yes but he originally wasn't Zangetsu.
Back then it was always supposed to be the hollow inside him that happened as a result of his training with Urahara. It wasn't really much of a foreshadowing because it was blatantly presented as that being the case.

Ichigo being a Quincy was 100% bullshit as was him being a Fullbring.
That was 100% pure retcon that needed the Zangetsu retcon to work.

You can keep spamming this for eternity but Kubo is utter trash.

That.

It was a simple straight up arc with an easy to understand emotional motivation, good, compact character arcs that all got resolved by the end, and an engaging B-plot with a nice underlay of mystery.

>Ichigo being a Quincy was 100% bullshit
Speedreader

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>No argument

Based

>Ichigo being a Quincy was 100% bullshit
Is it really bullshit if we saw it coming from a mile away? The true bullshit is Kubo never delivered on Jesus Ichigo.

What is your point here?

Bleach's best stuff is ripped off from other manga.
I was fine with the whole inner hollow shit at first but Kubo used it to turn Ichigo into a bitch like Part 2 Naruto later on in Arrancar arc
Hogyoku is obviously a ripoff from Inuyuasha's Shikon no Tama.

Other ripoffs include:
First arc being a ripoff of YYH
Second arc being a ripoff of Saint Seiya
Getsuga Tenshou being a rip-off of Shinkuu Buddagiri(Yoh's/Amidamaru's technique in Shaman King)
Getsuga Jujishou being a rip-off of a filler X-Shaped Shinkuu Buddagiri(only happened in the anime version)
Ichigo combining 2 swords into one is the same shit as Yoh with Harusame and Futsu-no-Mitama-no-Tsurugi Swords
Aizen is a shitty version of Hao
Soul King is a rip-off of The Great Spirit/Shaman King
Fullbring Arc once again ripping off YYH
the list goes on.

That you either blind or a complete retard.

Yes. Bullshit you see coming is still bullshit. You start expecting bullshit when your faith in the author has decayed enough.

SS arc was the beginning of the end.
Aizen ruined everything.

I actually liked the bount arc despite its pacing issues.

I wouldn't say my faith in Kubo decayed. Actually you know what, it kinda did. As much of a fun mess the final arc was the time constraints and getting rushed out the door really made the finale underwhelming.

You can proceed and tell us what you see there on that page. I'm not going to assume your argument for you.

Togashit speedreaders/watcher projecting again as usual

>I actually liked the bount arc
See, this is why no one will ever take you seriously. You say stupid shit like this.

Hollow Ichigo tells Byakuya that he has no name and he also acknowledges the old man as Zangetsu.
Cope.

>Is it really bullshit if we saw it coming from a mile away?
Nobody ever saw this prior to the Zangetsu retcon in Arrancar arc.

Most of the filler arcs were better than Kubo's shit after SS arc.
I'll watch Bount arc or Zanpakuto arc before the boredom that was FKT arc.

I didn't mean a literal mile, user. The moment they gave the Quincy's the spotlight for the final arc you should've caught a whiff that Ichigo was gonna get in on that Quincy action to complete the puzzle. The unfortunate reality of it all is that the final arc is rushed and we never got him learning or using Quincy powers or becoming Omega Ichigo.

Not sure that's a good thing. Awaiting things to get even more stupid just for the meme value is something you'd expect from a show that's been stupid from the start, like TTGL or Kill la Kill.

Bleach had gotten to that point and it was pretty clear Kubo was having fun with it like Aizen in the chair and Bach doing whatever the fuck he wanted while delivering on some things like old mans bankai and Unohanas backstory. I'm kinda glad it went out the way it did. In a way it was very in character.

This but unironically.

If you strip the Bount arc of it's horrible animation and pacing it's a story about a group of people having been engineered by ancient evil SS science. That's not even alien to Bleach lore, it's actually a thing that happens. The mod soul and zanpakuto rebellion arcs fit right in too. Even the arc about the stupid ojousan fits in becasue royalty in SS is shit. If those arcs were manga arcs and written a bit more integral and Bleach was more episodic in storytelling none of them would be sore thumbs.

And FKT is a shitfest of battles after battles with the worst type of "everyone else just stands around while the people the camera follows are fighting."

Fun fact: just saying "no, you're wrong" isn't a valid argument. Every argument I made here is supported in the manga and in this thread.

And guess what? Every Shounen is a ripoff of Kinnikuman. You're not smart for pointing out that Shounen as a genre borrows concepts from previous manga.

I'd disagree with that because although old man's flaming skeltons were hype, if you look back that's just something you wanted to put on the wiki. There's a kind of collectibles mentality to shonen where people just really want to get their hands on data about everyone's hidden bankais like this is frame fighter or something.

Posterity. I wouldn't recommend Bleach to anyone now because I don't think it's a good story; doeswn't matter that we got to know old man's bankai. That was just something to enjoy in the moment, in ignorance of what is to come.

>The moment they gave the Quincy's the spotlight for the final arc you should've caught a whiff that Ichigo was gonna get in on that Quincy action to complete the puzzle.
Most people saw it way before then. After all Hollow Ichigo was retconned into being Zangetsu in Arrancar arc so people then wondered who the old man was.

>If you strip the Bount arc of it's horrible animation and pacing it's a story about a group of people having been engineered by ancient evil SS science. That's not even alien to Bleach lore, it's actually a thing that happens. The mod soul and zanpakuto rebellion arcs fit right in too. Even the arc about the stupid ojousan fits in becasue royalty in SS is shit.

The problem with these arcs is how immensely they exaggerate these things to the point that they make Soul Society actually evil, where as in the manga they're lawful neutral. Someone basing their knowledge of Bleach lore off of filler arcs are going to end up with a very different opinion of Bleach than a manga purist.

>Fun fact: just saying "no, you're wrong" isn't a valid argument
>Every argument I made here is supported in the manga and in this thread.

Is it bizarro time already?

The one with the short "no" post is you, and the arguments that are supported are ours.

One more post like that and you're getting ignored for real. Ain't nobody got time for this shit.

That and Kariya's design was so much better than Aizen's and the Bounts are more faithful to the horror style Bleach originally had. Also gave me a bit of a Zombiepowder. vibe.

Ichigo teaming up with Byakuya vs Kariya was Kino as fuck.

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>where as in the manga they're lawful neutral.
Nigger please

>Every Shounen is a ripoff of Kinnikuman.
Nope. It's not like Kinnikuman invented fighting in fiction.

Bleach ripped of specific concepts, characters, storylines and even attacks and such.

>Getsuga Tenshou being a rip-off of Shinkuu Buddagiri(Yoh's/Amidamaru's technique in Shaman King)
Isn't it windscar from Inuyasha? Or did that rip it off too? Which one came first?

Does it count as axed when the author is the one who axed it?

>This is mostly the case with most shonen protagonists and whenever the morality of killing comes up as a subject it's always tacked on. It's fake. Pretentious. Made up on the spot. Retroactively added. Pseudo-intellectual.
Only in modern shounen.

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Is that where the goalpost was moved since the last time this argument happened?

I'm not the guy you were arguing with. Togashi crunched the numbers, realized he was being crushed by his schedule and threw in the towel early.

Hell, he even recognizes the whole thing as a personal failure.

desu it's perfectly acceptable for Ichigo to have normal goals in life. He wanted a normal family and in the end, he got it. Plus the supernatural stuff that he didn't ask for - I'm sure that he'd rather have his mother back and let someone else save the world.

Unless you mean to say that he is obligated to use his power for something, like reforming Soul Society... Then, aren't we all obligated the same way to use our own voice and strength in our own nations to work for it's betterment? How many of you fags even vote?

Ah. I thought you were talking about Bleach.

Inuyasha 1996
Mankin 1998
Could be both, but it's honestly shaped more like sort of a crescent moon in Mankin so I think he ripped it off from there(the fact that he went as far as to rip-off the X-Shaped version which was Anime-only convinces me all the more).
Kaze no Kizu iirc strikes is a ground-based attack while Shinkuu Buddagiri travels in the air much like Getsuga Tenshou.

The whole Zanpakuto thing is a rip-off of Oversouls too(which itself is a rip-off of Stands from JoJo although Takei being a huge Arakifag doesn't hide it at all).

He's not but the story wasn't framed from that angle. There are many japanese stories where a regularguy gets into supernatural shit he didn't ask for and doesn't want, and bleach wasn't one of those shows. The show spends one half of its airtime telling Ichigo how much he loves fighting.

This argument is basically so bullshit if the ending was Ichigo in SS as a captain nobody would call it out of character because of all the scenes in the manga that are also there, that signal how boring he finds normal everyday life and how much he wishes to have his power back.

That's ok. Everyone ripped stands off JoJo because it's such a cool concept. CA arc HxH is basically just part 7 stands and it's glorious. Ripping off the general template of a power system is not the same as ripping off actual attacks. Or characters.

Sasuke is basically Killua and Kurapika rolled into one. He even has fucking lightning techniques.

The Naruto/Bleach generation of shonen is fucking plagiarism trash.

That's actually a pretty realistic depiction of young males imo. The will to fight is inherent in us to claim our place in the world, but it settles down when we settle down with wife and kids. Yeah, Ichigo wanted to fight, and that was his inner self, his hollow in Kubo's words. It's not evil, it's just what we are.

We could also delve deeper and think about how Ichigo had a higher drive to fight from his childhood days. His name means "to protect", he failed at it once, he had to protect his sisters and himself from an ostracizing world... And fighting usually solved his problems in adolescence. He has found his peace now, for time being.

I want a YYH thread.

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Intially Mankin used Hyoi Gattai where the characters would take their Guardian Spirits and put them inside their bodies thus taking their skills they had accumulated when they were alive which I always thought was very cool and it was dropped way too fast.

After Hyoi Gattai was dropped Oversoul was introduced which meant most characters would take their guardian spirits and channel them through their weapons or some kind of item although exceptions existed such as Hao with his Spirit of Fire and Tao Jun with her kyonshi who literally commanded a zombie version of Bruce Lee(Lee Pyron) to fight for her.

Or it was just a shonen manga with a main character that wasn't fleshed out past the fist arc and got rag dolled around for 10 years because the readers only cared about the hype fights.

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>The one with the short "no" post is you, and the arguments that are supported are ours.

A single glance at this thread shows otherwise, not even five minutes after I stopped posting the same four shitposters went back to posting ad hominem arguments. At least the other user tried to refute me, although he didn't do a very good job. Your rebuttal amounted to nothing more than a "you're wrong, Bleach is still shit lmao"

Case in point

When did I ever say anything about Quincies.

Just his hollow powers.

You don't even have to go that far. He acknowledges Zangetsu when they are in private. Before the retcons he was just a cliched inner demon.

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Honestly the problem isn't that Ichigo is a generic "protect muh friend" character. The problem is that he turns into a BORING EMOSHIT in the Arrancar arc and never recovers.

He was a fun character in the first 2 arcs(even if somewhat preachy with the whole "brothers should protect their sisters" shit he said to Byakuya) but he's terrible after SS arc.

Kubo tries to somewhat bring his early personality in the last arc but it doesn't work.
The Ichigo we see in the first chapter...the one who calls five ambulances is pretty much gone forever in the Arrancar arc.

Uryu considered Soul Society evil and he hated the Shinigami.
How are the Bounts any different?

>How are the Bounts any different?
They're not canon.

>the readers only cared about seeing [insert character here]'s bankai.
you know it bitch, don't deny it

I wasn't talking to you fuckhead.

A rose by any other name.

>The Ichigo we see in the first chapter...the one who calls five ambulances is pretty much gone forever in the Arrancar arc.

That never happened in the first chapter. That was flashback Ichigo. Of course a speedreader wouldn't know the difference....

But his hollow powers were retconned into him being Zangetsu all along because otherwise the Quincy retcon wouldn't work.
That's my whole point.

Again, proving my case.

Meant for

The technique shown was quincy only, shinigamies and hollows can't do that.

It's not that far actually
The page you posted and the one I'm referring to(chapter 166) are only around 50 chapters inbetween. But yeah Kubo did this twice.

Chapter 111(yours is 112 but) is even named Black & White while chapter 166 is named Black & White 2

The ball is in your court.
How does the filler treating Soul Society as evil any different from Uryuu doing it in canon?

That was my originally reply to this

Yes it did and no it wasn't a fucking flashback.
Not to mention that Ichigo behaves like an arrogant punk when he fights hollows throughout the entire first arc.
Fuck off you utter fucking idiot.

>How does the filler treating Soul Society as evil any different from Uryuu doing it in canon?

Context. Uryu's character arc is him discovering a) his prejudice against Shinigami wasn't true, and b) the Quincy weren't innocent either. The Bount are literal fan fiction characters, theres no comparison to be made.

The irony, and yes it was literally a flashback during Chad's fight with Shunsui, way to out yourself as a speedreader.

That's what I assumed you were thinking, I just wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt.

Shinigami stand around in the air all the time. The difference between Shinigami and Quicny isn't that Shinigami cannot affect the reishi in the atmosphere. Everyone can control reisi to a limited degree, even Fullbringers. It's what Bringer Light is. It's that Quincy cannot draw reishi from the inside because they don't have a Spirit Link and Soul Sleep. They must rely entirely on affecting the reishi in the atmosphere, which is why they got so good at it.

If Shinigami standing in the air were based on inner ebergy and not the reishi in the atmosphere, they would not be unable to fly in SS due to there being no free reishi in the atmosphere. If you think your own opinion through, it's even stupid from a metaphysical standpoint because solidifying reisi under your feet that isn't the reishi of the atmosphere but something that you generated actually wouldn't let you stand on the air at all. You'd just be putting a layer of reishi on your shoes. You stand on the air BECAUSE you're affecting the atmosphere outside of yourself. Using your inner energy would be like the infinite energy meme, or lifting yourself up by your own bootstraps.

Uryu literally says he hates Shinigami the first time he appears.

were the quincy based on exorcists or nazis

Their attack names are in German and they are extremely prejudiced against a singular group of beings.

Uryuu doesn't have a character arc. What you are talking about is resolved in his first fight with Ichigo where he admits that he didn't hate the Shinigami but his own inability to save his grandpa. Uryuu's "hatred" for Shinigami is just a coy pretense he puts on because of pride. He at best mildly despises them.

>it was literally a flashback during Chad's fight with Shunsui
I could have sworn it was in the first chapter. I swear I remember it that way, like he gets pissed and what their doing to the little girl's grave or whatever and then he called the Ambulances before beating the shit out of them.

Regardless he was a punk even in the first chapter. A very lively character compared to the soulless husk he became.

Do you not know what a character arc is, user?

>Regardless he was a punk even in the first chapter. A very lively character compared to the soulless husk he became.

It was an act. Being labeled a punk made it easier for Ichigo to keep his distance from other people, in reality he was a studious moralfag with a guilt complex over his mom's death. You've already outed yourself as a speedreader so its no surprised you missed these very obvious plot points.

>zero arguments

See Also, Uryu's was a character arc while the Bount's one wasn't because?
And don't say a meme reply like "it isn't canon" because that's not what we're talking here.

>It was an act.
No it wasn't an act Kubo you fucking hack.
He did this shit throughout the first arc and even a bit in the second arc with a couple of exceptions.

Fuck off.

how does it feel to waste your life defending a mediocre series?

>still no argument
How does it feel to have this "mediocre series" living rent free in your head?

>mediocre
You mean shit.

>No it wasn't an act
>Ichigo's first action on screen is defending the resting place of a little girl from actual punks

you tell me
you're always trying to convince us that bleach is a good series/ichigo is a good mc/kubo isn't a hack

i was being nice

>Also, Uryu's was a character arc while the Bount's one wasn't because?
This is an argument (You) need to make, user. To my knowledge none of the Bount were ever really characterized in any meaningful way, whereas Uryu was a recurring character who actually had development.

>no argument
I rest my case

Being a punk doesn't mean being a scumbag.
When I say he was a punk, I mean that he was a loudmouth and was not afraid to get into fights.
He didn't look like he was on suicide watch all the time like he does in Arrancar arc-onwards

>/pol/ memes
Cringe.

>No argument
Fuck off you little shit, you're the one who has no argument Kubo you hack.

To his credit the hollow infection pushed his most basic trigger which was his inability to protect others. before the Vizard training he could not transform into Shinigami form without losing control. He was as powerless as he was before meeting Rukia, but with added the contrast of having been powerful.

But that doesn't excuse the horrible execution of this pseudo-arc.

I'm not the one entering threads about a series I don't like shitposter-kun

The people who like Bleach probably like Final Fantasy 8 too and think Squall was a great character.

>When I say he was a punk, I mean that he was a loudmouth and was not afraid to get into fights.

This never really changed, you just speedread through the later arcs and missed Ichigo's character development. Did you forget about the "practice swing" against Ginjou? How about stopping Aizen's attack with one finger?

I rest my case

Jojo has become mainstream

Come on user, you can do better than that

>To his credit the hollow infection pushed his most basic trigger which was his inability to protect others.
I get all that but that in itself is what I call "Character Regression"
Ichigo was developing well in Soul Society arc and that was a huge setback.

Like before when Byakuya kicked his ass and he had to go training with Urahara he didn't lose his whole personality.
But with his inner hollow and shit he turned into that fag Part 2 Naruto and never recovered after that because somehow Kubo thinks that Ichigo having no personality = being mature.

kek you're being btfo all thread long

Stands ruined Jojo

>This never really changed
Yes it did.
I'm not going to even bother arguing with you anymore because Kubo's dick is so far down your throat you can't get it out.

Just saying "btfo" doesn't mean anything, you need to actually make an argument first.

>you realize now that bleach was only good when it was a yu yu hamusho ripoff

Nah hamon was gay

>no argument
I accept your concession

It's a valid analogy.
Bleach is renowned for being shit and so is FF8.
They both have obsessive devoted fans who think they're good and defend them to death.

It's a negative thread, though. So you are the one entering a thread full of people who are criticizing the thing that you like. At least in theory.

After the "rent free" comment it's more likely that you're here to derive temporary entertainment out of being a mild nuisance to people. You're not here to defend anything at all.

It never was though?

it was also good when it was a saint seiya rip-off in soul society arc
however bleach ripped off yyh with fullbring arc and that arc was shit

I was just being fair. I don't like the arc HM either although for metanarrative reasons.

>no interesting dynamics,

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...

This really only works if he was OP or started talking about it unprovoked. When someone responds you can't really start flinging the rent free meme.

Literally no u

who cares? it is not like Araki will try to change the manga to cater normies

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Bleach was amazing up to and including Rescue Rukia. Then everything became too dark and serious and side characters irrelevant.

>It's a negative thread, though
It's not though
>or started talking about it unprovoked
Check

>Then everything became too dark and serious and side characters irrelevant.

This simply isn't true though. Bleach was always dark, but still kept some slapstick elements late into its final arc. Feel free to actually make an argument here though.

>talking about bleach in a bleach thread is unprovoked
Are you just saying shit at this point to piss people off?

>it's not though
It could only be more negative is OP literally said "these characters are shit, discuss"

>yet another bleach thread full of tired old copypastas, autistic walls of text and e-celeb shilling
>i-it's not shit! c-cope!

>bleach was always dark
Dark elements and dark themes are two different things.

Feel free to elaborate.

Cope

Yeah that's where Bleachtards belong.

>yet another bleach thread full of tired old copypastas, autistic walls of text and e-celeb shilling
>i-it's shit! c-cope!

Speaking of e-celeb shilling.
This video never gets old.
youtube.com/watch?v=ACq7tgjHdGA

>feel free to elaborate
The tone of the first two arcs were more--
>cope
Nevermind.

So cope then

> Ichigo develops in every arc

Unironically the only thing that develops for Ichigo is his power level. The closest thing he ever got to character development is the King and the Horse analogy that his Inner Hollow gave as it pointed towards him being more ruthless in taking down foes but it didn't do anything for him because he already goes in 100% best he can,his control of his power is just wacky.

Characterwise he's a basic Japanese, strong, silent chad. Good grades,good back ground,good personality and definitely someone you can depend on. Him amassing good friends is really nothing surprising unlike Yusuke who is a straight up loner bully who slowly displays his good side and puts his violence to a good outlet. Ichigo is really goddamn BASIC

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Your implying that dark themes are dark story elements are somehow mutually exclusive, which is simply false. You're the one with something to prove here.

Read the thread, please

Ichigo is the deconstruction of the protagonist genre

>You're the one with something to prove here.

You can pretend that you're not the "cope" guy but your tone gives you away.

Not that user but cope

At this point you might as well just ignore him. Not worth the energy.

>not that user

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That doesn't mean I'm wrong about the fact you haven't backed your claim.

It'll be 2029 and people will still be talking about Bleach

Right.

Were were we?
That video is still wrong. It doesn't encompass all the things that went wrong at all and it's still overly and overtly affectionate towards Bleach.

I could say the same to you, yet here you are.

Shitposters just can't stop bleach from living rent free in their heads

Why are Bleach threads infested with landwhales from tumblr? It's literal cancer.

>muh tumblr boogeyman

It because it's so bad people won't forget about it and will always be a example on what not to do when writing a manga.

>Ichigo has no character
>Why is Ichigo such a punk at the beginning of the series
>Ichigo has no character development
>Why did Ichigo become such an emo
At this point I don't even know what does this counts as... And it's just a small nitpick.

>Shitposters just can't stop bleach from living rent free in their heads
Thanks for providing an example, shitposter-kun

>shitposters in charge of making consistent arguments

Yeah it's pretty lenient but the video does a good job of encapsulating what most people thought about Bleach.

>Ichigo
>chad

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>deconstruction
Shut up you stupid nigger

Fresh batch of non-arguments, coming right up

The only ones who are living rent free on anyone's heads is us normal people on your retarded bleachfags heads.

After the training, they interacted one, maybe two times. And the one making this dynamic interesting is Yoruichi either way.

Ichigo is a ripoff of Yusuke in the beginning and he's a ripoff of Part 2 Naruto starting from Arrancar arc.
Simple as.

Trash like Ichigo deserves the most painful and bloody death.

>baseless claims intensify

Dumb frogposter

>people were literally paying him money for him to join their sport clubs

Um, yeah

Seething

He shits himself in front of Yoruichi and Rangiku when they make moves on him.
Popular =/= Chad

He isnt interested in old ladies

bleach is popular in america...i meant in amerinigga

Which is why he blushes right?

>Which is why he blushes right?
An Yea Forums user would fart instead, it seems you have a point.

He beats up thugs for fun too.

>Ichigo is some kind of crazy hybrid of everything int he series
>literally never has any sort of power or ability beyond shooting a laser beam out of his sword and moving faster

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Having potential for multiple abilities isn't the same as having every ability. He only ever masters basic Shinigami abilities like shunpo and zanjutsu, later on he masters some Hollow powers such as Gran Rey Cero. The only Quincy power he has is Blut, which is more of a passive ability.

Ichigo is a better written character than Yusuke

I agree but thats not really saying much.

No.

Counter-point: yes.

nah

Ichigo
>has clear motivation and goals established in the introductory arc
>each subsequent arc explores a new avenue of character development
>accumulation of power directly correlates to emotional growth, giving more depth to the character

Yusuke
>.....

This is the sad truth.

>

>ripoff of Part 2 Naruto starting from Arrancar arc
and right until and including the ending, down to the bullshit god tier last boss

>

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Looks like you fags need to work on your reading comprehension

>bumping this shit thread

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>You seem to have missed the emotional toll that killing a living, conscious being had on Ichigo after killing Ulquiorra.
A Hollow was a living conscious being?
Does that mean ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the Hollows that Ichigo had been killing in the very first arc, including his introductory chapter...weren't? He never learned that lesson? Ulquiorra had to be killed, no one else, because he was strong (or evil, maybe)?

Don't try to imagine a reason FOR Kubo.

When it comes to Bleach, I loved the 1st arc and I enjoyed the 2nd arc. It just became shounen-of-the-week for me after that. The art was more charming, the story was more explicit, the characters interacted with each other like friends.

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Did you seriously fucking forget that Ichigo wasn't killing Hollows back then? Cutting their masks just sends them to Soul Society. He was turning one dead being into a different kind of dead being.

lmao you’re exposed as a retard now

Lol your shitty series with it's shitty MC was canceled LMAO

>source: my ass
Cope

It literally wasn't, unless you're talking about YYH in which case idk

>Don't try to imagine a reason FOR Kubo.

Never understood this logic. These same people will suck Oda or togashi's dick every chapter, but they're so caught up in the Kubo memes they can't actually comprehend even the most basic of plot points.

>A Hollow was a living conscious being?
Ehh not quite, more like a rabid dog

>The argument is that Ichigo didn't suffer from PTSD and it showed. He didn't.
>Then we didn't read the same manga. Plain and simple.
Not that user, but after reading this back-and-forth, I remember three things primarily:

1. Ichigo was "human" for two years. He went to school and was a school boy after he lost .00000001% diminished, that power never left, in reality, he just didn't know it his power. His friends loved him, his family loved him, everyone loved him, even people he fought and nearly killed. But he didn't love himself anymore: he had no value anymore compared to his closest friends since he was just "a strong human."
2. Ichigo did suffer during this time, and it was purely mental. He hated he couldn't save at the level he could before; he wasn't literally god-like. He felt he was a piece of shit as a result. So much so that when he was FINALLY actually confronted by Ginjou and Facebook, he freaked the fuck out. He could no longer even keep quiet and blamed everything on himself for "not being strong anymore." He cried and couldn't hide his trauma and was a complete piece of shit. He was right!!! Ichigo WAS ACTUALLY completely worthless when he was "just a human." He had nothing.
3. Rukia with a magic sword stabbed him in the heart (again). He instantly recovered 100% of the power he had. No more trauma.

So, Ichigo chose to use ULTIMATEGIGASUPREMESLASH and save the universe. He knew it would mean losing all his super-powers, but made the sacrifice and chose to face the consequence. But the problem is...he couldn't deal with the consequence. So when he finally went insane, everyone said, "geez laweez, Ichigo. Fine, here, have them back, stfu." And Ichigo became ever-more-powerful and didn't complain now that he didn't have to face his suffering anymore.

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Ichigo didn't think the win was deserved and he also began to fear his hollow again. His mindset when fighting a much stronger Aizen is worse when fighting a much stronger Ulquiorra.

So many people never remember:
Urahara (more specifically, Tessai) MURDERED Ichigo. He died. He was no longer living. He slashed his chain-of-fate and then threw him in a pit. Nothing connected his soul to his body anymore. He was only as alive as Kon is alive as a teddy-bear-lion.

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If you actually went back and read my original posts you'd know I was talking about the period of time after Ichigo killed Ulquiorra, where several characters noted Ichigo's change in character as a result of killing someone he had hoped to spare.

Secondly, you'd have read my post about how Ichigo getting back the power he had lost was in a sense, good karma. By sacrificing his own power to defeat Aizen, Soul Society defied their own laws to restore what Ichigo had lost. And this does result in an important change in the dynamic between Ichigo and Soul Society, one of mutual trust between the two parties.

You could argue that Rukia did the same thing when she stabbed him with her Zanpakuto, its not really "death" in the Bleach sense and it didn't affect Ichigo's life as a human whatsoever.

Ok? What does that have anything to do with the discussion here?

Urahara was so fucking based

I read that. All you've done is justify why Ichigo no longer has a consequence to face. Why no more consequence? Because he's a hero! Makes sense.

The problem is: that's not good writing, and that's not character development.

Ichigo never changed more than "I'll protect no matter what!" to "I'll remove myself from final judgement because that's too difficult for me as a 15(17)-year-old boy." All that we saw ever change as an audience was
>Ichigo gets stronger, constantly, and in huge leaps when the plot demands it
>whenever he loses, he's a COMPLETE BITCH who moans about it until everyone rewards him with more support than ever (Ichigo never asking for it himself)
>once he's supreme, he hides away with his wife in a small Japanese town, letting everyone else contribute to society while he doesn't have to
Ichigo was a...well, boring character. The same from start to finish, and he occasionally became a bitch if he couldn't instantly win, which always always always fixed itself once someone with more experience told him "don't worry, you ARE more powerful than literally anyone here's why" and he says "cool, thanks, I guess I can tensho some dude to death-but-not-really-death-okay-maybe-death." He was a hero. He was always a hero. When he couldn't be a hero, like, two or three times, he cried so people said "stop crying, you're a hero" and then he realized he was a hero again and continued to be a hero.

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>I read that. All you've done is justify why Ichigo no longer has a consequence to face. Why no more consequence? Because he's a hero! Makes sense.
So you have no actual rebuttal here, noted.

>The problem is: that's not good writing, and that's not character development.
>Ichigo was a...well, boring character.
Now you're relying on a subjective argument to counter an objective one. My argument was that Ichigo did develop as a character, and that argument still stands.

All you've done here is restate a premise that has already been refuted without adding anything to the discussion. To which you have earned exactly one (You).

Yeah. Death stopped being relevant in the manga pretty quickly. What was the only big deal about death was HELL when the gates flew open and consumed one Hollow he "purified." It was scary. But then, nah, death isn't scary.

Kubo isn't good at keeping consistency. A Chain of Fate was a big deal for a human soul, it seemed to be the only thing that made a human a living, the only thing that kept a human sane as a non-spiritually based being. It seemed to be half the universe. A very, very, very key element. Hollows didn't have one, Shinigami didn't have one, mod-souls didn't have one. Maybe they did once? Sometimes they never had one.
Just what WAS a Chain of Fate???
Ichigo had one. Then he didn't have one. What changed? Was it a limiter, a filter, a mood-stablizer, a control, a lock, a key, what did the Chain of Fate do as the connector of a human's soul to a human's body??? Ichigo HAD to have changed, so what changed? All we know is by dying (which we know a lack of Chain of Fate meant), Ichigo got to be a Shinigami on his own -- no Rukia sharing necessary. But...dying meant nothing. Ichigo just...kept being a "living human."

It's a bad element. Kubo did nothing with it. It was an excuse to give Ichigo new(more) death powers, but then never revisited because the only clearly defined consequence of losing a Chain of Fate for a living human was death. For as important "death" seemed to be in defining Ichigo and his past, it stopped being important REALLY fast. It marginalized the story and, more than anyone, Ichigo himself. So,
>what does that have to do with anything?
I guess it means everything Kubo writes is unimportant. Anything we as an audience come up with is nonsense. All we have is what Kubo wrote as "fact" and even those "facts" are, again, unimportant.

He at least remained mysteriously informed. Yeah, p cool guy who was bangin the expert ninja. I liked this girl, too.

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>headcanonfag is back
Great, I´ll humor (You). How is inconsistent? You said that now Ichigo is "as alive as Kon is inside that teddybear". Ok, what about that is contradictory to anything?

You know, user, what you've also said with your post is that you also agree with both those anons: maybe Ichigo got developed, but it was completely insignificant and not worthy of anything related to the plot or even his character. The development was shitty writing and ultimately negated anyway.

At least their points that Ichigo never faces consequences is legit. He's a huge bitch who can't take bad results. That never changes. So Kubo constantly writes in that the bad result doesn't affect Ichigo anymore, it's gone. After seeing that so many times, it turns out, Ichigo will never get a bad result in the end. It has to be good for him or he's too depressed to make any action at all. He's a bad character. Things have to be flawless when he's involved...so they are. If they aren't, we get chapters of depression which always end with complete reversal and insta-win.

Ichigo never has to be face bad results, even when events occur that are explicitly unavoidable. Turns out, he can avoid them. Because he's Ichigo.

Is that inconsistent for Ichigo? No.
Is that inconsistent for Bleach? Yes.

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>Yeah. Death stopped being relevant in the manga pretty quickly.
Its a manga about spirits, literally dead people. Death was ALWAYS relevant. Hell was more or less a dropped plot point outside of the one terrible movie.

>Just what WAS a Chain of Fate???
Literally explained in the manga, it binds a living body and its soul. Souls who have already passed on/ born in Soul Society obviously do not have one. There is not contradiction outside of the one you're making up because you didn't pay attention in the first arc.

>I guess it means everything Kubo writes is unimportant. Anything we as an audience come up with is nonsense. All we have is what Kubo wrote as "fact" and even those "facts" are, again, unimportant.

And now you've gone full retard.

You've missed it, user. Death is the same as Alive in Bleach, apparently.
The Chain of Fate is super important! But apparently it's not.
What's this manga about?
Nothing.

Did you know Ichigo is, like, a god or something? I know, cool right?!

>maybe Ichigo got developed, but it was completely insignificant and not worthy of anything related to the plot or even his character. The development was shitty writing and ultimately negated anyway.

Unsurprisingly, you forgot to make an argument here.

>You've missed it, user. Death is the same as Alive in Bleach, apparently.
The Chain of Fate is super important! But apparently it's not.
What's this manga about?
Nothing.

Again, you forgot to make an argument. Simply stating a plot point or development doesn't count is a baseless claim and easily disproven with fact.

Retard

>pic
Oh you are a butthurt tatsukifag, that explains a lot. Your waifu a shit

Enough. Have a Bleach pic.

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Isn't staying alive goal enough to fight?

what happens if they die?

They cant help preserve their species by reproducing

Depends on the series if there's an afterlife but considering these two guys aren't normal people who knows.

>it's 2019 and people are still defending Bleach

Bleachfags are by far the most batshit, deluded Shounentards.

>no argument
Seeth and cope

are children born in Bleach? like, soul society children?
wait, doesn't Ichigo have a son? isn't he dead?

I wonder how many of them are following Bleach 2.0 (i.e. Jujutsu Kaisen) and defend it. Even the MC is a shitty budget version of Ichigo.

Read the manga

Maybe you are the one who is in the wrong.

>Why are Bleachfags so insane?
I'm sorry I thought you said Isane.

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ichigo > yusuke

>are children born in Bleach? like, soul society children?
Yup.
>wait, doesn't Ichigo have a son?
Yup.
>isn't he dead?
Yup.

K-Kubooooo?

I liked Rukia, but there's zero things wrong with the supportive Isane.

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Isanefags and Rukiafags can get along.

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They remind me of conspiracy theorists

>You normies might think that Bleach is a mediocre children's manga but with my superior IQ I can see Kubo's genius and appreciate bleach as the masterpiece it is! HERE'S AN ESSAY ON WHY THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE ARE WRONG ABOUT BLEACH.

Every. Fucking. Thread.

He had a human baby with a human female while in a human body. Try harder, headcanon-kun.

>being passionate about a topic is bad
>liking things despite their shortcomings is not okay
>me not liking something means no one is allowed to like it

All made worse by the same shitposters making the same dumb bait posts with zero actual arguments. Maybe reconsider your priorities?

>no argument
Cope

I answered all that other user's questions. I didn't mention anything about his wife. What was headcanon?

Part 4 was shit

I don't think it became too dark. the main and side characters became bland after SS

Big goal with a long journey and conclusion < various smaller goals and conclusions that paint the bigger picture

prove me wrong.

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Well he IS a delinquent.

Hell No

>What was the headcanon?
Ichigo isn't dead by any metric within the context of Bleach, both his body and soul are alive.

Its the opposite for me, all of my favorite characters get their best moments after Soul Society.

...

Fixed this for you
Yusuke
>each subsequent arc explores a new avenue of character development.
>accumulation of power directly correlates to emotional growth, giving more depth to the character
>His development is shown with his interaction with those close to him.and his interesting character dynamics.
Ichigo
>Character development is isolated to an arc. it doesn't carry over. Ichigo returns to square one
>Friends become bland-slate jobbers.Ichigo has no interesting dynamics,and treat them mildly different from chapter 1 to the final arc.

>literally copy and pasted my argument
>didn't read the thread
Negative IQ post my guy

He's explicitly dead.

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Honestly Ichigo learns more about his powers/his past but he never really reflects on how its important to him or how its even changed him (it never does). He just exists to deal with whatever problem his friends tell him to.

He's inhabiting a living body. That living body impregnated the living body of Orihime

Great. Doesn't mean Ichigo is alive. He's explicitly dead.
Besides, it's not like he couldn't impregnate any he wanted. Hell, Ichigo was born from the union of a Shinigami Captain and a pure-blood Quincy. He can do the same, can't he?

Ending 2 was peak.

Kon inhabits Ichigo's body whenever he wants, too.

>Doesn't mean Ichigo is alive
It means his kid is alive
>Ichigo was born from the union of a Shinigami Captain
Isshin was given a special artificial human body by Urahara

I loved early Bleach, bro. OP 1, OP 2, ED 1, ED 2, ED 3 was pretty good, too even though there was suddenly 50 characters.

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Restating your premise =! Having an argument
>Hell, Ichigo was born from the union of a Shinigami Captain and a pure-blood Quincy. He can do the same, can't he?

They were both physical bodies when they created Ichigo. Ichigo is a living human. Kisuke was clearly fucking with him in that panel.

YYH is honestly better dubbed. They gave Yusuke and the rest a lot more personality than the original even if they did rewrite some of his dialogue.

A speedreader at it's finest

I never mentioned anything about his kid being alive or dead. You're literally inventing scenarios, now. All I've ever said is that Ichigo is dead, because by every law within the Bleach universe, he is a spiritual being that simply inhabits his previous living body. Ichigo died around Chapter 60 of the manga. Not that being dead (shinigami) matters as far as fate, willpower or sentience is concerned.

>Isshin was given a special artificial human body by Urahara
Yeah, seems like a reallllllyyyy vague human corpse invention by Mr. Mysterious that doesn't go into detail about anything. Unless one of the novels talks about it? I haven't read those.
I guess Urahara's super-plot-convenient human-body-for-the-shinigami is dang impressive since he can inseminate Shiba shinigami DNA double-helix genetic information into a living uterus and now a fetus.
And now you got me wondering about when a human gets its soul...

At least he made a point

>I never mentioned anything about his kid being alive or dead
Must have gotten the posts mixed up
>seems like a reallllllyyyy vague human corpse invention by Mr. Mysterious that doesn't go into detail about anything
But go and cope anyway

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>Kisuke was clearly fucking with him in that panel.
You're making up personal theories at this point. That's one of many pages that tell you Ichigo can no longer become a living being anymore. He only has two options any longer, now that his chain is cut. Hollow or Shinigami. He became a Shinigami. He stopped living.

The best you can say is that spirits are alive if they control a living body. Apparently, anything is alive if it's not strictly made of spirit particles. Not that it seems to matter. Being alive or dead doesn't seem to matter. You can fuck, die, not die, die again, not die again, fuck some more, live for 3 thousand years, die some more, not die, go to Hell, leave Hell, not die, have a chain but be dead, lose your chain and still be alive, impregnate some more, none of it matters. Just don't become a Hollow! Then you have to die! Unless you're cool. Then you don't have to die.

Death is important in Bleach. It means so much!

Such compelling argumentation, user that's sarcasm, in case you're autistic. Now I believe you're a troll, so I'm giving you a reason you will not receive any more responses from me. Bye bye!

>Hao = Aizen
This is one of the greatest bullshit I ever heard

>Forgetting the part where Yusuke realizes how he’s never really had a motivation to fight besides that the situation required it.

I’m guessing you’ve never watched the Three Kings Arc.

>is told to go and cope
>he goes and copes
What a madlad

Hao channeled the Spirit of Fire through the oxygen in the atmosphere.

>You're making up personal theories at this point.
Irony

>Death is important in Bleach. It means so much!
And here you go with your Cartesian circles again.

Gigai are literally Kisuke's forte, remember how he made one that would have permanently sealed Rukia's reiatsu, making her effectively human? But clearly we're the ones who don't know what we're talking about... or your only listening to what you want to hear.

Nothing suspicious here just a normal zanpakutou
that wants to rule it is master. Totally normal zanpakutou behavior

>Totally normal zanpakutou behavior
White isnt a normal zanpakuto

Seriously this has to be some kind of joke. If its a bait, nice one. But to shit on Ichigo's character while defending Yusuke's... just lol.
Yusuke might have been a favourite of yours because you watched YYH when you were young or are a Togashitard or something, but he is as bland and as boring as it gets.
To be a supposed "thug with a heart of gold" he is the most boring I've seen. Josuke or Sakuragi are far more interesting/funny/endearing/likable/devoloped than him.
Let's be honest for a moment here. You guys are here dissing Ichigo for not having a development... but I think what makes Ichigo hated? That he is less funny and less likable than other MCs. Luffy has had none development whatsover in 20 years yet he is beloved. Why? I think because he is funny. Mostly. Has other qualities but he is someone that looks relatable, someone you can be friend with.
TL;DR: Basically my point is character devolpment as a criticism towards Ichigo is a joke considering all other shonen MCs have the same problem but Gon, who turned into a villain.

He does in chapters 537 and 542. Chapter 555 even highlights his development.

Then leave

>Josuke or Sakuragi are far more interesting/funny/endearing/likable/devoloped than him.
Josuke is easily one of the most boring characters I've even seen. Yusuke is more interesting in the spirit detective arc than Josuke is during the whole of part 4 (which turned to shit around ep 30 when stands of the week came back.)

Yes he is he understood the difference between brawling and war

>Uryuu doesn't have a character arc.
Schrift S activate the power of the Speedreader

Yea because not being a punk forever is not something a character should do how can we self insert otherwise?

This without his powers and tragic background Ichigo would most likely be the class representant

I doubt he'd want that sort of attention anyways, besides Uryu was always top of their class

Bleach is bad because I said so, very convincing point you made

Because he acts like a real teenager who just killed someone. It would be better if he screamed at the top of his lungs that he would be the next Soul King wouldn't it ?

Blood and guts! That's what makes a great protagonist

he killed a pain inducing, soul eating monster-fusion. The idea that arancars are somehow worthy of sympathy was always dumb as fuck

Every power level comes from personal growth but a speedreader will never understand that

What was Isshin Shiba? Was he pure-blood Shiba, just from a branch house? Was he Main House Shiba?
Was he the head of the Shiba Noble clan? Were the Shibas even a noble clan when Isshin was a Captain?
What about Kaien Shiba? Was he Main House Shiba or was he Branch house? If he was Main house, did that make him "more noble" than Isshin, even though Kaien was a lieutenant and Isshin was an older Captain?

What does that make Kuukaku Shiba? Was she always Kaien's older or younger sister? And, like, was she literally, biologically sister or were they just "Shiba Clan family" brother sister? Was she Main house or Branch house? She was the Head of the Shiba Clan by the time Ichigo showed up, right? And Ganjou, he knows some secret sand techniques or something, right? How come no one else knows that stuff? Is it secret Shiba clan arts? If it is, why doesn't ANYONE in the Shiba clan use the same stuff?

Why were the Shiba Clan exiled from Soul Society again? Was it because of Kaien? Isshin? Kaien died before Isshin split, right? Did Captain Isshin Shiba become the head of the Shiba clan until Kuukaku did or...?

Is Ichigo part of the Shiba clan? Is he Main house? Is HE the head of the Shiba clan when he dies? I mean, he's strongest, right?

What about Eel Shop Milf: is SHE a Shiba?

People in Soul Society really, really play dumb to a lot of things considering there was a Captain Isshin Shiba for a couple hundred years and then 15 years later this practical clone with orange hair appears wrecking shit. Especially when big tits and shota were directly interacting with Captain Shiba daily.

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By the same token:
How the fuck didn't Rukia question the Hell out of Isshin when she met him? She HAD to have known him, he was identical, just scruffier.
Did Rukia freak the fuck out by the fact Ichigo looked JUST LIKE her Shinigami idol Kaien? This manga was like 700 chapters and I'm feeling old, I can't remember all this.

expecting too much from kubo

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I guess. I mean, Kaien was a lieutenant for a couple hundred years, Isshin was supremely powerful Captain-class an in charge of the 10th division for who knows how long but at least specifically 20 years before Ichigo shows up in SS. Those two Shibas, from the noble Shiba clan, were MASSIVELY famous based on rank alone. And then this young Isshin, long-dead Kaien not that it matters since, like, all the seated officers live for a thousand years and were still around anyway clone appears and no one recognizes him?

Like, not even that it matters when Ichigo is just the invader...but they STILL don't make the connection for the rest of the entire damned manga. No one brings it up. wtf. This manga was fun when it was a teen delinquent overcoming his survivor-guilt by saving his family and hometown from the cause of his childhood trauma, all to repay the sacrifice of the cold-hearted soul reaper that (despite the name and profession) actually went against the laws of life & death and saved him instead. It was fun and simple. Then it got a character roster of something like 400 named characters.

But seriously, is Eel milf some living Shiba or something? Can she see dead people? Is he banging Isshin?

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Your retarded posts are an eyesore. Delete yourself headcanonfag
You yoo, retard

I think Bleach and Ichigo get far too much hate, but you are missing the tree for the forest here.

People like stories that feel like they have consequences. This can be achieved in a few ways:
Character development.
Changing the world.
Reader is mind blown with some realization.

Luffy falls firmly into the second category.
Ichigo's character development does not have a clear direction, so it is easy to miss. Yusuke was a terrible person at the start of YYH and he was admirable by the end. Each arc ends with him gaining something he didn't have at the start. And his manga only lasted like 190 chapters total. That is slightly shorter than Bleach up to Soul Society.

Ichigo is a very reactive character throughout and is mainly motivated by villains doing something to his friends, so even when he changes the world, the focus is back on his friends. Meanwhile, OP has tools like Bounties and cover stories just to show the impact of Luffy.

>You too*

since reboots are a big thing is it possible that we will ever get a bleach reboot

pipe dream..

Seek help

I wanna be the spirit king and suck Ishida cock!!

pol is leaking

He did because he is a fucking speedreader otherwise he would remember that Ichigo faced that dilemma against Orihime brother

Because we actually read the fucking manga and we know that cutting hollows with a zanpakatou is not the same as killing them

>once he's supreme, he hides away with his wife in a small Japanese town, letting everyone else contribute to society while he doesn't have to

This is your fucking headcanon!! Nothing corroborates that

Everybody says nigga

Everything in the manga was abouth death fucking speedreader

So Bleach is bad because there is not something like the Eclipse??

It is not that we are genius it is you guys that are fucking retards that can't even read properly

Is some user bumping this thread with trolling bait?

Damn. Remember when Bleach was good?

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>an unironic almost 500 post thread defending Bleach and its godawful main character.

Good god.

This is beyond retarded if this was truth in any metric we would never Ichigo married Orihime while watching Chad box fight

So you wanna a thesis on how could this be possible maybe a fucking Yoruichi clone while we are it??

>no argument
Cope faggot

>cope
Is this what Kubo told himself when Bleach's popularity sunk to hell after people stopped giving a shit about his shitty comic?

>still no argument
Seeth too

Rule 14 of the internet, user. Remember.

Yeah I'm definitely sure he seethed after being told to cut his bullshit and force his shitty comic to end.

Fuck back off to Yea Forums, trash.

>source: my ass

lol

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>PUBG movile
what the fuck

I hate that she was pushed to the sidelines so fast, pretty much the one girl from the early arcs I liked.

Meanwhile at Jump....

In some alternate universe, Bleach is high influentially ,and Kubo is considered one of the greatest mangaka

Comic=Mobile game

>tatsukifags

That's your view on a Arrancar for Ichigo they were like a human being

Yes Rukia saw how Ichigo and Kaien were very alike

kys and next time don't move the goalpost fag.

kys and next time don't move the goalpost fag.