Bokuben

Nips don't care for western horoscope much, it's all about blood types for some reason.

Real talk. Why don't you head over to JB and debate their translation? Assuming you are confident with your own translation and aren't merely trying to trick people into drinking your kool-aid.

>And why did he give Mafuyu (and Asumi) known birthdays, but we still don't know the birthdays of Foom, Rizu, and Uruka?
Nariyuki cares about the birthdays of his wife and mistress but not his three students.

The true official chart.

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Mistress?

Based and most would agree

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Assuming you're not just a JB shill it's cause they'll spergs and will just deny everything. Most of the time they don't ever go back and change it either out of autism or laziness

Fumino a best.

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at losing fans

Not him, the proper translation is
>like a married couple who's been together for many years.
And just for you, check it with google translate if you want:
>長年連れ添った夫婦みたいで
There's a clear difference between that and
>like we've been married for years

Nobody gives a fuck about fumishit

>
>That's how you are suppose to do it instead of introducing and tackling a plot thread in the same arc.
Just like I said, you're a retard who doesn't know shit about writing.
That is not how you do it. You don't just set up a dozen vague hints and then pull some bullshit later. That's hacky writing.

As demonstrated with the whole bullshit Zangetsu retcon which doesn't make sense at all.

Bleach was fun when it was an action-comedy in the first arc and was alright in the 2nd arc but that's when Kubo really started getting pretentious and thought he was smarter than he was.

Truth is he can't write for shit. This is why he abandoned the original cast in favor of the Gotei 13 and then he kept making more and more character every time he got a mental block and didn't know what to do.

In the early days at least he put more effort in his art and paneling. The fights were more fun to read and stuff like that. But over time his art got lazy and sterile so even that was gone.

But this is it really. Kubo can't write good characters. He'll always ruin them eventually.
That whole conflict with Grande Fisher? Fuck it, Isshin will just kill him.
Ichigo's personality? Well he was a Yusuke ripoff before so let's ripoff Naruto now by making him emo. Hey, let's do that for Orihime too.

Bleach's best stuff were ripped off entirely from other better series.

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Christ, I hate LRR/JB so much. Even Jet Yau's memescans of KanoKari don't fuck with the meaning of dialogue like that.

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Tsutsui is saving the best for last.

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FPBP

at being the new Uruka.

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>Fuminofag seething about Mafuyu now
Kek, this faggot is hilarious. He should be grateful he still gets to see his waifu thanks to Sensei carrying her bony ass.

Ew, why the fuck are her legs 2/3 of her body?

>Foom

I am curious and wonder why you won't take action since you seem persistent and upset by JB's scans. They are hundreds of thousands of manga readers. A small fraction knows Japanese, but I haven't seen people challenge their handling of Bokuben translation yet. Only here do I see you who has it out for them. We will never know who is biased and who is not if you don't challenge them.

Can't into moonrunes. See above.

Uruka wishes she could be remotely close to Fumino. Maybe then she might have a chance of winning.

She's pretty close actually.

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At least Uruka's chapter wasn't entirely filler as it was about her going to the pool one last time.
Fumino's chapter was the worst kind of fillershit.

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>muh popularity instead of character and heroine role

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>Foom
This Senseifag has stoop to THK's low level. That's unfortunate.

They're the closest in character too.

Uruka chapter still managed to be boring and uninteresting. That's even worse.

Literally what heroine role? Being the pet of the week?

>Asumi will never win
How do you deal with this fact?

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Here we go again.

Because it's more fun to do it here and there are other raw readers to back this up. Turns out there was a good reason why a whole bunch of us felt that married for years comment was weirdly shill-ish - a shill skewed the translation!

Thing is about these jump series scanlators is that they think they can get sloppy and no one will call them out for it. And for the most part, they're right - until people like me get curious and go in for a check. That's when shit flies and fun times are to be had. Niggastream got away with so much shit while Bleach was running so I've picked up a knack for figuring out when translators are getting overly liberal.

He and I are different anons dude. Yhwach being Zangetsu does feel like a later addition but Zangetsu not being Zangetsu and Ichigo being quincy was what was crazy consistent about the twist. You had moments like:

>Tessai noticing the Zangetsu's hilt was off when he recovered his shinigami powers only to have Urahara dismiss it as being fine indicating he knows what's really up with his hybrid nature
>The hollow mask being present whenever Ichigo got help from Zangetsu
>Byakuya calling Tensa Zangetsu an improper bankai
>The date discrepancy about Isshin's loss of power and Masaki's death
>Hollow Zangetsu insisting he IS Zangetsu in their meetings
>The curiosity about Ichigo's naturally recovering reiatsu and self repairing bankai clothes over time
>Final getsuga tenshou functionally being a Quincy Letz Still

There are plot failings in Bleach but this most definitely was not one of those.

Fuminofags were the ones who started the Foom nickname newshit.

It's not like you don't have direct comparisons taken directly from the manga in this thread.

>old.reddit.com/r/manga/comments/cipm6u/disc_we_never_learn_chapter_121/

So reddit is truly the last bastion of Fuminofags...How would you btfo their delusions,Yea Forums?

That's been obvious ever since she put Mafuyu in a maid outfit and made her call Sensei "Goshujin-sama."

Uruka needs assistance from Fumino. It's not the other way around. But sure.

(You)

>28
So this number somehow is tied to sensei after all.

*Made her call Nariyuki

>s-stop
>my headcanon is real

Reminder that fumino and rizu are the only main heroines so keep seething senseifags

She doesn't need Fumino's assistance to get Nariyuki having romantic thoughts with her.

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>THK is the only one who uses and takes it as an insult
>Now Senseifag does too
I wonder who's behind this post.

OP here. I'm actually an Asumifag whose second best girl is Uruka.

Even if Rizu is the endgame I can still enjoy the ride, can either of maingirlfags say that about their respective arcs?

Oh, you're that retard. Nevermind.

People have tried for past series but translators usually never actually change their translations and the people one this site usually don't like to interact with Reddit, especially for a series that isn't even that popular. We have Viz scans and people who can actually translate Japanese as well so it's pretty easy to put 2 and 2 together and see the bias, hell sometimes it's written in Katakana so you don't even need to know Japanese to understand the intent. People just rather meme the shit out of them instead

I guess it's a bit too hard for you to take a good look at what's actually going on.

>manga pages
>headcanon
This is why nobody takes Fuminofags seriously.

Looking forward to the threads when one of these two win.

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>especially for a series that isn't even that popular
Bokuben isn't popular?

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>Asumi and Nariyuki get married to keep up appearances
This will never happen but I can dream.

Also on Kubo's pacing. I'm not so sure that it was that he didn't know how to pace the fights as much as it was that he paced them for tank releases. Kubo is one of the rare few mangaka who actually knows how to use the physical medium to his advantage. Marathoning stretches of the series with double page and bending paper pages was a surprisingly different experience from reading them page by page onscreen at a weekly basis and it shocked me how easy it was to miss that Kubo did his panel layouts with that in mind. Yea Forums knocks him for his weaknesses but the fact is that Kubo is in fact one of the most technically skilled jump authors there is.

>here's the rizu card I only bother looking for when it's time to make a case against sensei
>it's meta by the way

Mafuyu might literally kill herself if that happened.

Uruka always shoots herself in the foot in the end. Getting advice and sometimes helping her out of a bind are things Fumino have helped her with.

Rizu winning would be actually pretty nice and most people would accept it.
People will definitely hate Fumino winning though.

>OP is the """Asumifag""""
No wonder.

Why is this thread also a bleach thread?

Why does Japan hate Asumi?

Miharu moans must been really cute.

Not different from Fumino going muh Ricchan and muh Uruka for the nth time. They're both stale, underdeveloped characters.

Kubo. That's why.

just like fumino's chapter then

No, you kidding me? It has like at most mid tier popularity and that's only because it's in WSJ

>That gap between 1st and 2nd
Damn, there wasnt even a competition. Also... why is Mizuki there?

We might find out this chapter.

>Just kidding
>It's just practice
>Just teasing
Those 3 are interchangeable as far as I'm concerned

Which Asumifag? There are a few of them.

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You mean Uruka arc being last?

>Also... why is Mizuki there?
She's cute and funny.

It's pretty easy to make fun of Rizu being "a pet" until Fumino ends up being treated as one in a chapter that turns out to be pure filler. We really need to talk more about those wonderful heroines.

They're both good girls but, with the exception of Asumi, they would be the 2 most boring ends

At least Uruka isn't shooting her own foot anymore. Fumino in the other hand. ''MUH O I'M AWAKE'' bullshit

We exist, but I'm the other way around

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>They're both good girls
Fumino is a neurotic sociopath though.

Rizu end: Based
Fumino end: Reddit

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>Actual romance vibe moment.
vs
>Cat shenanigans and flat jokes

>Hollow Zangetsu insisting he IS Zangetsu in their meetings
This is one of the things I really enjoyed and thought was really thought out well.

>retarded Fuminofag still hasn't realized OP is the retarded MKL tripfag

Holyshit I share a birthday with her

They like her a lot more than us because they're obsessed with both maids and lolis but she's the most filler heroine, by far

Who's the Asumifag who likes Uruka?

Riz/u/mino end. Make it happen Tsutsui

>she gets pregnant as well
Merely pretending

>Zangetsu not being Zangetsu and Ichigo being quincy was what was crazy consistent about the twist.
Not really because in his first appearance Hollow Ichigo acknowledges the old man as Zangetsu
And in his battle with Byakuya Hollow Ichigo says and I quote "I have no name"

People usually quote that encounter Ichigo had with Hollow Ichigo in Arrancar arc and pretend that the shit in Soul Society arc didn't happen.

>Tessai noticing the Zangetsu's hilt was off when he recovered his shinigami powers only to have Urahara dismiss it as being fine indicating he knows what's really up with his hybrid nature
That's just it.
Urahara mentions that Ichigo can become a hollow in this training if he fucks up and that the training is dangerous because of that. Ichigo nearly gets hollowified because of that training and as a consquence Hollow Ichigo is born who wants to take over his body/dominate him. Later on Kubo retcons this shit with "White" and has Aizen implant that hollow into is mother. Fanboys think this wasn't a retcon but the fact that Kubo himself admitted he never planned to make Aizen the villain proves that he also never planned for Hollow Ichigo to be Zangetsu and he never planned Ichigo or his mother to be quincies and that was all bullshit made up after the fact(remember that Ishida said that only he and his dead are the remaining quincies).

>The hollow mask being present whenever Ichigo got help from Zangetsu
Meant to signify that his soul got corrupted during the training.

>Byakuya calling Tensa Zangetsu an improper bankai
It's just Byakuya talking shit but then again it is a improper bankai because of the whole Hollow shit.

>The date discrepancy about Isshin's loss of power and Masaki's death
No disrepancy whatsoever because Kubo never planned for Isshin to be a Shinigami from the beginning.

>Hollow Zangetsu insisting he IS Zangetsu in their meetings
Again that's a retcon Kubo did after the fact. In Soul Society arc he said pic related.

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How did you say it's the tripfag?

Doesn't surprise me at all, LRR is a biased faggot, it's just factional at this point.

user obviously.

When were each of these said again?

The only heroine Japan hates is Fumino.

Watch JB drop the series entirely if Nariyuki and Mafuyu get together.

>plays dumb
Kek.

In the christian tradition, December 28th is the day of the innocent martyrs.

Fake news

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>Fumino's chapter was the worst kind of fillershit.
Because Fumino's character has literally nothing going for her except realizes she wants to get dicked by Nariyuki. She's literally stuck in a spot and she can't move forward at all. So, her chapters are always really fucking useless.

I seriously don't know.

Fumino: after the first chapter with the Ibara club
Uruka: after the kiss
Asumi: I'm not sure she said it like that, but all she does can be described as such

>Uruka chapter still managed to be boring and uninteresting.
Just like Fumino then.

They won't, they already had a back up translator for whenever LRR was too bored busy to work on a chapter.

>Asumi's father demands to see his grandkids
What do?

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>autistic about birthdays
>creates a new thread as soon as the old one dies with a template question

It's like Fumino is the second coming of Uruka.

>Reminder that fumino and rizu are the only main heroines so keep seething senseifags
Judging from your post, you are the only one seething here inbred

If he doesn't know them yet, they can pass Ha/Kazuki as their kids.

That's what I'm waiting for. I bet you could feel the contempt and salt through the screen if that ever happened

Why the fuck are people arguing about Zangetsu in a fucking Bokuben thread?

Which was more popular before their anime were announced: Bokuben or 5toubun?

Not the same thing. Fumino is in denial and still has consideration, albeit there were a couple of times where she almost crossed the line, but didn't because plot happened. Uruka is not in denial, she is fully aware and has been actively trying to send signals and get close with the intention of winning Naryiuki's heart. That's why only Uruka is the one who shoots herself in the foot for years. Neither Fumino and Rizu too were aware of their feelings, so all of the fooling around and flag scenes with Nariyuki that didn't produce real changes don't blowback on them.

>There are anons that still think Fumino will win after seeing this.

Pffft. Unless the author wants to end his career early, its a Mafuyu ending.

Nice try. We all know Japan hates Uruka the most.

They're the same thing as far as character is concerned. Both have been stuck in the same spot for most of the manga.

Because a Bokuben thread is doomed to be a shitposting den anyway. If you ask me they are the best posters in this thread.

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That'd be cute desu

Thing is, this place isn't exactly known for its legitimacy. Random anons make all kinds of claims and fake news and so forth is common, and meme-ing on the backbones of those that pretend isn't so uncommon either. If one wants to affect change and clarify readers, the best course of action is to challenges scanlation group so that people will know.

What past series and how?
>Reddit
They have their own site. Reddit is only one method of forum they use, that's all.
>Viz scans
In my experience, they don't have much of a good reputations. Especially among manga fabs that dislike localized or too liberal translation. Also, most readers and manga sites upload fan scanlation over official. All the more reason why you should challenge them if you confident and want to help clear up bias.

It'd never work. Hazuki already made Mafuyu promise to marry Nariyuki.

>And in his battle with Byakuya Hollow Ichigo says and I quote "I have no name"
>People usually quote that encounter Ichigo had with Hollow Ichigo in Arrancar arc and pretend that the shit in Soul Society arc didn't happen.
Yes, know why? Because technically he didn't have a name since Ichigo didn't have an Asauchi for him. He was always the true Zangetsu and his fight against Kenpachi even hinted that much.

I don't see a difference

Before the anime? Probably Bokuben because it's in WSJ but after the anime it's not even a contest between the two. 5toubun is the new big romcom and everybody thinks Bokuben is just generic harem #216 (they aren't wrong)

You would think spending 5 whole chapters to one girl, with lots of cute shipping moments while neglecting the other girls would do wonders to said girl's popularity, but when it has the opposite effect and readers end up growing sick of her hogging the screentime (I'm not even going to talk about the retarded resolution of the arc) and fans start dropping like flies, you know they hate her.
Uruka still has her arc to gain more sympathy from fans and boost her popularity, Japan doesn't particularly hate her as much as they are indifferent to her for the most part.

So, you're just forcing a straw-grasping similarity that has little or nil to do with personality, characterization, or romantic development. Asumi and Rizu must be Uruka too considering the length they have been stuck in the same spot.

To discuss a series writing you have to bring up other series for comparison so they went with bleach.
Horrible choice cause kubo just makes shit up on the spot like aizen suddenly being alive again which he confirmed he just thought up after it happened, he was 100% dead which is why the twist was so massive when it happened, no one can possibly know it happened because of the in the moment writing.

>it's him again
Your projection and assumption will never be facts.

Then why is she always last in popularity polls?

>(they aren't wrong)
They could be if Tsutsui has the balls

It's about development in general. Rizu is different, she's the second most developed girl after Mafuyu but had the bad luck of getting the short end of the stick with her arc.

Poll means nothing. Japan loves lolis and has a thing for Yomi/Yukino/Hitagi designed girls. They like brown retarded sports girl the least. Deal with it.

>him
Who? Everyone knows that. They even hated chapter 39.

>Your projection and assumption will never be facts.
Not him but her drop in popularity after her arc sure is factional.

>development
Literal grasping at straws.

But among the main heroines, Asumi is always last in the polls. And I say this as an Asumifag.

>he thinks Tsutsui isn't a complete hack
This series is literally Nisekoi 2.0.

>Yomi/Yukino/Hitagi designed girls.
Funny since the last two characters and also overshadowed by another better character.

It's the whole reason.

If he were a complete hack he wouldn't make Sensei overshine all the others.

>Rizu didn't have development with Nariyuki, her arc was personal development to recognize she likes herself and to show she can read people now
>Fumino didn't have development with Nariyuki, but her arc was personal development to resolve drama between her and Reiji, to finally confront and take action instead of putting it off and being afraid
>different
This guy is so full of shit.

>Not really because in his first appearance Hollow Ichigo acknowledges the old man as Zangetsu
Funny you should mention that. I was the one who looked back into that page and found that when he called him that, the wild and brash hollow called him Zangetsu-san. Iirc the original scans translated it just Zangetsu so the sarcasm didn't get across the language barrier.

>Later on Kubo retcons this shit with "White" and has Aizen implant that hollow into is mother
Hollow Ichigo being made by Aizen is irrelevant to the Zangetsu issue. Whether HI originating from White or Ichigo himself doesn't impede on the fact OMZ acted as a pseudo sword spirit.

Byakuya was still right about it being an improper bankai, we just didn't know exactly how improper it was. Vizards support this interpretation when you consider that the ones with Bankai like Shinji did way more than just compress power and speed you up. Bankais are generally supposed to expand as part of their raw release somehow and Ichigo's did the exact opposite.

Can't quite remember the date discrepancy detail but look at the night he killed grand fisher and later details on Masakki's sealing and death. People thought Kubo made a mistake but it wasn't corrected in the tank version and it turned to play into the quincy bloodline idea.

As for the no name, I'll chalk it up to HI technically still being an Asauchi since OMZ cockblocked him from being used as a proper zan. Asauchi's are known as nameless zans to project their souls on. Then there's the angle of how HI himself considers his situation and what he thinks of OMZ stealing his identity from him. Also consider the paneling there, why did Kubo specifically put a panel focusing on the sword itself when he says it.

If you've got more points to go on with, you'll have to wait till I get back from dreamland in a few hours for a reply. Talking Bleach like this sure hits me in the nostalgia.

>Japan loves lolis and has a thing for Yomi/Yukino/Hitagi designed girls.
Exactly, so Japan not being all over Fumino means not even her design saves her.
And they like Uruka about the same as Fumino.

>Random anons make all kinds of claims and fake news and so forth is common, and meme-ing on the backbones of those that pretend isn't so uncommon either
Which is why you can look it up with you have doubts. Both anons and LRR have sources of "Dude trust me" but anybody who can read Viz, understand basic Japanese, or can use google can see LRR has inherently changed the meaning of certain scenes and is a loud and proud Fuminofag. They're translations are even more questionable than a random anons

>What past series and how?
Literally everything done by Mangastream

>In my experience, they don't have much of a good reputations. Especially among manga fabs that dislike localized or too liberal translation
It's the literal opposite. Viz translates perfectly accurately most of the time but the big complaint is that it comes of as to literal and awkward

You're starting to sound more and more like a JB shill

Only Shinobu is better than Hitagi.
>Yukino
Delusional Irohafag detected.

Meme updated.

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It's abundantly obviously you're baiting.

See you 50 chapters later where Fumino is winning.

Rizu had ongoing develoment related to her desire of understanding people before her arc. Her arc was honestly a disservice to her character.
The one who developed in Fumino's arc was Reiji.

Red herring.

obvious*

>she didn't develop, only Reiji
Kill yourself retard.

>If one wants to affect change and clarify readers, the best course of action is to challenges scanlation group so that people will know.
I have neither the moral obligation or the drive to do so. I simply satisfy my curiosity when someone piques my curiosity enough to check and watch the sparks fly. There's really no other reason to do it. I do have a trip I could use for these threads if you're so set on having some authority on translation quality to refer to but I'd rather only reveal it and the extent of my otter activities after bokuben is done for maximum fun.

Another post to the screencap collection.

If you say so. The manga pages posted here showing Uruka and Fumino in literally the same situations sure say otherwise.

Shit this is the 7th consecutive day of Bokuben general. What the fuck is happening? And it's the same argument in each of these. Or an argument that I've already seen before multiple times.

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or 75 chapters later with a Rizu end

Why did 22i change Fumino's hair color?

You tried that argument a while ago and were told already. Look up the term character development. and quit pretending it never happened.

>What the fuck is happening?
Sensei chapter means threads all week.
>And it's the same argument in each of these. Or an argument that I've already seen before multiple times.
It's literally one ESL autist. Ignore him.

It's true you seething Fuminofag.

Asauchi wasn't even a concept at this point in time(not in the way it's revealed fucking 500 chapters later at least). Just stop.
Hollow Ichigo clearly recognizes the old man as Zangetsu and says to Zangetsu to train him well because one day he will come back and take over Ichigo.
This was in the same chapter when he was fighting Kenpachi.

Sorry but he was never the true Zangetsu. He was originally his inner hollow spirit that manifested from his dangerous training prior to the Arrancar arc retcon.

>To discuss a series writing you have to bring up other series for comparison
This is the most autistic thing I’ve ever read on this site

Explain the improved relationship and why she no longer has apprehension of Reiji for thinking he hates her.

>trust me dude

Fumino and sensei having back to back chapters is bound to attract shitposting
>same arguments over and over
just the resident autists, ignore them or just enjoy the human zoo, whichever you feel like

Sensei causes Fuminofags to sperg for some fucking reason which means constant threads, shitposts, and falseflags. I recommend you leave right after the chapter itself comes out

Reiji is the one trying to understand and bond with Fumino now. She only accepts his advances. She's too busy being in denial about Nariyuki to even dedicate a thought about her dad.

>same situation
It's not. Your argument after the fact is stuck development and not having loose similarities and gags because they're both kind of dorky. I can undermine your argument by drawing attention to Asumi and Rizu's development for over 100 chapters.

Again, Rizu and Asumi are different. Asumi isn't even in love with Nariyuki, teasing is her gimmick.

Glad to see you can't and need to resort to that bullshit to sound right. Fumino has a better relationship now and acts accordingly, no longer fighting and is fearful. She clearly reciprocates Reiji that way.

Uruka was a mistake and so are all of these threads.

>Hazuki already made Mafuyu promise to marry Nariyuki

"Maybe someday."

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>Rizu is different
The presented argument proved otherwise.
>isn't even in love
Romance isn't necessary for personal development. You are making up excuses. Rizu arc wasn't for romance either.

>it's bullshit because I don't like it
Fumino has a better relationship because of Reiji's change and efforts.

hell fellow brother

What he said made complete sense tho

There's no sarcasm there, I'm sorry.
It's just Hichigo being his arrogant self.

No it's not irrelevant at all.
Hollow Ichigo originated from that dangerous training in Urahara's basement. It was said cut and dry back in the fucking day by Urahara himself. I don't understand why you fanboys can't accept that.

Hichigo suddenly starts calling himself Zangetsu in Arrancar arc. When he previously said that he doesn't have a name.
That's a clear as day retcon.

Reporting

What argument? Rizu has steady development unlike Fumino.
Asumi not being in love or not pursuing a serious relationship with Nariyuki makes her role different. She's for comic relief.

Maybe imouto is getting her arc...

>Viz, understand basic Japanese, or can use google
Official publishers are rarely preferred over fan translation for reasons, though. Pretty sure just basic Japanese won't be enough. Machine translation from google is notoriously less accurate and just bad.
>certain scenes
The only one I've seen that has caused for concerned was when the word 'couple" was in katakana. The rest boiled down to my bias vs their bias.
>Literally everything done by Mangastream
Not helpful directions.
>Viz translates perfectly accurately most of the time
I, like most manga readers, prefer fan scanlations and have bad experience with TP, Viz, Yen Press (especially), etc. 7S is the only decent one and even that is only with certain series where they aren't too liberal and too strict with localization (keep honorifics and whatnot). Call me bias, but that's just how my perception is and feelings. You, on the other hand, could be said to sound like a Viz shill yourself, so....

Alright, then. But if you do it, a trip would lend you a name, but you'd still run into the issue of credibility against JB when you start promoting yours as accurate and theirs not. The only way to see who's right is to challenge them. But if you don't care, well, then you don't care.

>Rizu
>steady development, unlike Fumino
(You)

Mizuki will win!

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I still can't get over the amount of sexual innuendo going on in this pic

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What if Nariyuki rejects everyone and after a timeskip we see him marrying a girl she meet on college?

>Mafuyu not being in love or not pursuing a serious relationship with Nariyuki makes her role different. She's for fanservice.

The acceptance oozing from her expression is pure diamond.

Shes not pretending their married
Tsutsui is not pretending that they're married
Get yourself checked, user.

Kek.

But it's true. Her shtick is about wanting to understand people, and she slowly gets better at understanding them.
It's a shame her development was used to shill Fumino in her own arc, but at least she got the realization of her own love.

>The only one I've seen that has caused for concerned was when the word 'couple" was in katakana.
Evern that one was fucked up by Viz.
They mentioned the couple line but they omitted the "they really fit each-other" part which was in the jap version.

>Viz translates perfectly accurately most of the time
ARE YOU SERIOUS NIGGER????

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Arguments were made and established. Not going to bother anymore until you get serious since you're going to keep at it even though you can read the chain of replies.

Mafuyu actually developed as a character before developing feelings for Nariyuki. Nice try though.

You only said Rizu and Asumi are the same even though that's not true. In fact resorting to a comparison with a minor character like Asumi only makes it worse for Fumino and Uruka.

>that peach

Tsutsui knows what we like

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Compared to JB/LRR? Yes.

>there are people actually shilling for viz

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Is Tsutsui trying to make the gap between Sensei and the other girls even wider?
She's been getting all the juicy stuff lately.

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It looks like your stereotypical giving the winner their development chapter

Sekijou a best, fight me

>It looks like your stereotypical giving the winner their development chapter
*more development chapters

>Fumino's shtick is being a sweet, bubbly, caring girl giving relationship advice to Nariyuki in deal with girls and the study group members who have afffections for Nariyuki, but over time grows assertive and go through self internalization where her own thoughts and feelings slowly breeds betrayal when she should have consideration to people she advises

Best End

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>over time
More like after one chapter in the beginning and she's been exactly in the same spot for the rest of the manga.

Let's talk about the chapter and spoilers instead of this silly debate about translations.

Imagine if Fumino pulls a snake. It would make the manga 10 times more interesting.

What would sex be like with Sensei?

>super flexible
>soft but firm body due to being a former athlete
>full tits and ass
>wide hips
>inexperienced virgin
>submissive

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by the time she tries to pull that off nariyuki would be 10 inches deep inside sensei's ass

>it's the Blackmino retard again
Yeah because becoming tsun with occasional yan and growing jealous happen in chapter 3 instead of starting after 39 to 73

Full of screaming, moaning and spasming.

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>10 inches deep

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He's right though, Reiji developed, Fumino stayed the fucking same.

>it's the retard in denial about the rewrite and pretending only one person has made the distinction between Blackmino and Bluemino
desuarchive.org/a/search/text/blackmino | bluemino/order/asc/
And shut the fuck up already. Literally nothing has changed about Fumino since then.

JB had "kind of feels like we're married for years", and married couples who's together for many years is the same as married for years.

Continue being a seething retard. Fumino didn't change, she stayed literally the same. Only Reiji is literally making an effort. The only noteworthy thing Fumino did was show him the fucking laptop by a password "she always knew". And then her dead mother resolved the whole issue.

>no argument
Sasuga.

>He
>nothing has changed
>seething
You're easy to spot, spergster-kun.

I wanna banana sensei's peach cherry if you know what I mean

That's (You)

Nariyuki holding her cherry still gets to me.

But nothing has changed about Fumino. She's still going muh Rizu and muh Ricchan after all this time.

>Mafuyu not being in love or not pursuing a serious relationship with Nariyuki makes her role different. She's for fanservice.
(you), that backward logic doesn't work here retard

>"they really fit each-other" part which was in the jap version.
Telling yourself that two people were such a cute couple already implies that you fucking retard

These two were a mistake. They add nothing of value to the series.

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Who?

over JB? Sure I would.

>can interact face to face
>eats together
>doesn't need to communicate through written text while avoiding him
>act like normal father and daughter
>NOTHING has changed for Fumino
This is why Fumino haters are a joke.

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They're useful as pets and students.

t. Senseifag

Isn't it just one guy?

wtf why sensei get such progress chapter ? when fumino bithday present so stupid

Her relationship with her dad changed, but she herself didn't change.

>Fumino's shtick is being a sweet, bubbly, caring girl giving relationship advice to Nariyuki in deal with girls and the study group members who have afffections for Nariyuki, but over time grows assertive and go through self internalization where her own thoughts and feelings slowly breeds betrayal when she should have consideration to people she advises
And put that on repeat for 100+ chapters since that's the "only" thing her character has going for her. She is literally stuck in a statis cause she can't move forward at all. In comparision Rizu has been progressing while Fumino hasn't. Not even her arc showed progression, which is weird cause you'd think she'd be aware after I AM AWAKE, but no, she's just as stale as ever.

They'll still deny it. Watch.

>Official publishers are rarely preferred over fan translation for reasons, though. Pretty sure just basic Japanese won't be enough. Machine translation from google is notoriously less accurate and just bad.
Yeah, as I said Viz is awkward and clunky but translating is not one of their problems, literacy is pretty much the only thing they look for when hiring translators so that's no surprise. Basic Japanese is perfectly fine, a lot of manga have simple words cause kids are a major audience. There are better places than google translate., you won't be able to do long sentences or anything like that but you can more often or not get the exact translation of a word using them

>The only one I've seen that has caused for concerned was when the word 'couple" was in katakana. The rest boiled down to my bias vs their bias.
The one in Fumino's arc is even worse than that

>Not helpful directions.
You asked for an answer and I gave you a list. Don't expect me to spoonfeed you

>I, like most manga readers, prefer fan scanlations and have bad experience with TP, Viz, Yen Press (especially), etc. 7S is the only decent one and even that is only with certain series where they aren't too liberal and too strict with localization (keep honorifics and whatnot). Call me bias, but that's just how my perception is and feelings. You, on the other hand, could be said to sound like a Viz shill yourself, so....
? I also prefer fan translations though. I've literally called Viz out on their awkward translations that are almost unreadable at times. But they can translate things perfectly well. There's boons and banes to both of them so saying one is just better no matter what is just straight up autistic. One of JB's weaknesses is it's translations, it's that simple. It doesn't stop me from reading it every week, I just have the foresight to do a little research as well when things seems sketchy

Yeah? The main complaint is that they're TOO literal

Tsutsui isn't even trying to hide anymore that he actually puts effort into writing Mafuyu unlike with Fumino.

She's the same character as she was in chapter 20. It's not a fucking meme, she literally has not changed one bit. The moment she realizes her feelings we get into End Game. So all Tsutsui does with her is put her on repeat over and over and over again.

Senpaifag actually

>used to dislike Reiji, avoided him, couldn't stand being around him, rarely talked to him directly, fought all the time when he belittled her, hardly did father and daughter things together
>attitude and personality towards Reiji
>didn't change
(You)

God, I really need Gooks to come out fast

>NOTHING has changed for Fumino
Pretending to be retarded? When did I say nothing has changed "for her"? Her relationship with her dad has changed for sure, but SHE HERSELF has no changed at all. She's still the same person she was the person she was 100 chapters ago, Deal with it inbred.

>FUCK MY FEELINGS I GOTTA SECURE MUH FRIEND'S HAPPINESS

Is there a more spineless character?

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>almost the entire thread wasted on arguments about manga translation
What the fuck?

>chapter 20

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>can interact face to face
>>eats together
>>doesn't need to communicate through written text while avoiding him
>>act like normal father and daughter
You are implying their relationship changed faggot and nobody is denying that here. Fumino "herself" has not progressed even a tiny bit over 100 chapters. She's literally the same person. That's what anons are telling you.

They're both bad for different reason

LRR took a giant shit on the previous chapter and we're still waiting for this week's scans.

Let me put it this way:
Was Fumino at fault of her fallout with her dad?
Was she portrayed as being in the wrong?
Did she need to change, improve herself or a particular view in order to mend her relationship with her dad?
Was she actively trying to do it?
No, it's all Reiji. Fumino is the wronged one in this situation. She only had to forgive her "abusive" dad and accept him back.

>not more assertive and jealous for an obvious reason except to herself
Sure.

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The most passionate and love filled experience ever seen on this planet

Nariyuki and Miharu are so lucky.

>character development doesn't count unless it adheres to my retarded, limited, and slanted narrative of "change" for character development
And the award to the most tryhard shitposter goes to.

how long till Nariyuki just whips it out?

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You're bias as hell.

It's basic literary analysis, user. Don't be mad because you never graduated high school.

I just got caught up up on this manga. I think Furuhashi is very cute and nice

Not him but I don't think you understand the difference between her circumstances changing and the character herself changing

>character development
The thing is, there is NO character development for her there. She literally did not progress. And I thought she did after I AM AWAKE, but she continued being in denial. Not even the romance department moved forward.

Hasn't she already seen him naked?

Yeah Reiji is moe as fuck

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sorry, does the truth hurt?

>implying he hasn't

Why you think Sensei keeps him around and is always exposing herself to him by "accident"?

shirtless at least

Try harder next time fuminofag, maybe I should have specified "roughly" around chapter 20. But the general premise and inner struggle for her character this has been on repeat for 100 chapters now. It's literally the same thing
>OH NO, I should be thinking/feeling this! What do I do!
She's in a stasis

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Did Sensei just agree to a threesome with her sister and Nariyuki or am I just imagining things?

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What the fuck...

Fumino is literally nice and sweet and does shit together with Reiji now. No matter how you spin it, how the hell is that not different when compared to the way things were? Fumino made the decision to confront Reiji, a decision she would likely not do even years from now. Nariyuki helped, but ask emotional support and a push, but the choice was hers alone and she worked up the courage to face him. In that moment she clearly did something she would have never done in order to change the way things are.

Nah, it's obvious you are fishing for (You)s and basically shitposting.

You need professional help.

No, and the fact she has no development only makes her even more boring. It's not a surprise she keeps losing fans

Yeah, that's (you) though.

Scans when?

Miharu is so cute in this chapter.

>literally the same character as in the present

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Usually im not into Heroine's imoutos but Miharu is really cute.

The situation changed but she didn't change. Nariyuki was definitely the reason Fumino confronted Reiji, and the laptop was the solution to everything anyway.

It's funny because now you're trying too hard. Fumino was saying she's sorry for having an accidental and inappropriate thought while reaffirming herself she doesn't have feelings for him. That's different from reaching the point where she is saying sorry because she has started to realize something regarding her own feelings. In those earlier chapters Fumino was all on board helping Uruka and Rizu, where as in later mid to late chapters, that has started to become a conflict of interesting on her inner psyche. Fumino still plays the part of helping Rizu and Uruka, but she, without a doubt, has grow to be more a bit more willful and temperamental, basically assertive, which leads to increased subconscious jealousy. The whole bit is ironic because Fumino is a literature genius who can pick up on others's tendencies and social cues except her own. Fumino is like a kettle on a stovetop. As she slowly changes, the gas flame becomes hotter. She'll eventually reach boiling point in due time.

No, Uruka being too embarrassed is a better reason than this shit

You might want to take a basic writing class

>a change in the ways characters interact now that's different from how they used to be means not character development because I say so
>has to derail and make it about romantic when development with Reiji wasn't romantic in the first place nor was it for Nariyuki x Fumino
Last (You).

>And I thought she did after I AM AWAKE, but she continued being in denial
That's what pisses me off the most desu. Back when I was a Fuminofag I loved that scene and was actually willing to forgive her god awful arc because it actually changed something just as it was starting to get a little old. But now here we are and she's still in the same place she was before it even started. So fucking dumb

Don't post gooks in this thread please,it's already beyond saving

How many threads we had today? I think this is the third one I see.

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>has to derail and make it about romantic when development with Reiji wasn't romantic in the first place nor was it for Nariyuki x Fumino
Derail? No, it's just another example of where she didn't progress at all. Her character didn't change and the romance department also stayed the same. The only thing that changed in that arc was her relationship with her father and it wasn't necessarily for Fumino to develop to make that happen.

They're already out?

Gay

I can't help but agree, and I like Rizu.
The series would have met the axe ages ago if its life depended on them. These character arcs made it obvious that Tsutsui either can't write main heroines for shit or he's keeping them around as a carryover of his initial plan for the series that he changed as time went on.

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Only the cutest bokuben

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>hurr durr Sensei didn't develop, she only softed up from being a cold bitchy teacher, that's all
>it doesn't count unless her character became a completely different person altogether
Literally how you sound. You might want to sound less obvious too and kill yourself.

degenerate

>Senseifags killed their own thread
Reminder.

>a thread made by the retarded flip tripfag
Good riddance

Same desu

sensei
more like
sugoi

beautiful girl

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I wonder how she feels about anal.

>>it doesn't count unless her character became a completely different person altogether
No one said that though, get better bait

Criminally underrated. I hate when best girls are joke/side characters.

>retarded flip tripfag
Who? Don't see a trip in the OP.

>It's funny because now you're trying too hard
No, that's you inbred. The pages you posted deliberately dodged the issue and you specifically picked chapter 20 to make yourself a narrative. Pathetic fuck.
> Fumino was saying she's sorry for having an accidental and inappropriate thought while reaffirming herself she doesn't have feelings for him. That's different from reaching the point where she is saying sorry because she has started to realize something regarding her own feelings
That's false though, she hasn't realized shit regarding her own feelings. The only thing that's noteworthy different is the intensity of the feelings, the general premise of her struggle is still the fucking same.
>In those earlier chapters Fumino was all on board helping Uruka and Rizu, where as in later mid to late chapters, that has started to become a conflict of interesting on her inner psyche. Fumino still plays the part of helping Rizu and Uruka, but she, without a doubt, has grown to be more a bit more willful and temperamental, basically assertive, which leads to increased subconscious jealousy
Yeah, as I said, the intensity changed, but it's overall still the same. The jealousy part also happened pretty early on.
>As she slowly changes, the gas flame becomes hotter. She'll eventually reach boiling point in due time.
>I AM AWAKe
>100 chapters
She's called stale for a reason user and none of your points refuted that. Congratulations you played yourself.

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The Sensei party never ends

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>No one said that though

>>it doesn't count unless her character became a completely different person altogether
No one said this.

I want back 3 months ago. I want back when these threads were a shitshow, but not as kuch of a shitshow as now.

They're not saying that at all. They're saying Fumino hasn't changed at all.

>developing as a character != became a completely different person altogether
Learn to read ESL-kun

Baking your cake and eating it at the same time.

Yeah, none of these posts say that

You should quit giving them (You)s too. It's obvious as fuck they don't care anymore.

Kek, please tell me you're not serious

What a load of shit. People can read your bait and hurr didn't change at all shitpost. Fuminohaters are cancer.

>facts I don't like = bait and cancer
Fumino is still the same exact character she's been since she became Bluemino.

Get better bait or no more (You)s for you

Nobody is telling her to be a completely different character. You know moving forward as a character, or in other words progressing, learning and adapting to changes. We are criticizing her here for not developing, thus being stale. Hell, EVEN fucking Miharu is going to display clear development this chapter according to the spoiler summery.

>haters

take your pills user

user, you don't know!?
>critisicing a character = hater
Logical, right?

Didn't you know user? You either hate Fumino or love her, and that means 87% of the fanbase hates her now.

You are not alone my friend. It hurts. Sawako deserves more love.

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Just ignore the shitposter, he's not even trying anymore

Please don't say party.

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>cherry
>banana
>peach
>apple, widely-known aphrodisiac
Damn, 22i went all-out this chapter.

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prefers it

Considering your arguments and other posts in here, there's no need to ponder where your position stands. All you're doing is sweeping a change in process as being the motionless even if the reason and "intensity" is no longer the exact same value. The scan from 20 and 21 have nuance of difference to Fumino in 73. Becoming more means growing; nobody said developed that carries a different connotation. The original point was assertive, after all. For the other argument you're in, summed up illustrates the point clearly, yet you deny it anyways and go through hoops and loops of mental gymnastics to say only Reiji changed. Somehow, in your distorted world, you don't count changes in interactions and behavior as progressive development. Not even when the whole point of a dedicated character arc was primarily to have a conflict and resolution to effect literal changes to a problem, such as family drama. The next time we see them, there's a difference in behavior and interactions, yet still you blindly reject that.

>Hell, EVEN fucking Miharu is going to display clear development this chapter according to the spoiler summery.
Kek, it's funny how fucking true this is. I can't believe I'd ever live to see the day where sensei's imouto is actually a more developed character than the main heroine

Sensei is the main heroine.

Everyday user, everyday

>87%
Based on?

Please stop. Im confused enough if this is the Bokuben or the 5toubun thread.

I Tsutsui is just embracing Sensei's popularity now and won't even bother trying to boost the other heroines anymore.

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To be fair, they're shitposters carrying an axe. Who else would spend hours baiting and downplaying, really?

The poll.

I thought this meant he would just be forcing her with dumb chapters but this one sounds really cute

>anyone who criticizes Fumino is a shitposter

*I think

Maybe sometimes the winner is just the one who makes the right moves at the right times.

>Considering your arguments and other posts in here, there's no need to ponder where your position stands
I don't get what my position has to do with this? Since I can just as easily call you biased for searching for development where there isn't any.
>All you're doing is sweeping a change in process as being the motionless even if the reason and "intensity" is no longer the exact same value. The scan from 20 and 21 have nuance of difference to Fumino in 73. Becoming more means growing; nobody said developed that carries a different connotation. The original point was assertive, after all.
Becoming more aware is definitely growing, but like I argued before she isn't more aware of her feelings. So your argument is very fucking moot here.
>The original point was assertive, after all. For the other argument you're in,
For starters, the retard you're quoting was talking about her circumstances changing and no user was even arguing against that, the point was the she "herself" has no developed after it. And no matter how much you try to chalk it up to "hate", Reiji is the one who is making an effort to mend their relationship and her showing Reiji the laptop is not the same as making her develop because we have seen beforehand that Fumino has to courage to confront her father.
>summed up illustrates the point clearly, yet you deny it anyways and go through hoops and loops of mental gymnastics to say only Reiji changed
See above, I explained why it doesn't. It talks about her relationship changing, not Fumino herself developing idiot.
>Not even when the whole point of a dedicated character arc was primarily to have a conflict and resolution to effect literal changes to a problem, such as family drama. The next time we see them, there's a difference in behavior and interactions, yet still you blindly reject that.
Reiji's actions, he's trying his best to mend their relationship, not her. Get that straight.

The real winner was the friends we made along the way.

Don't worry. Both are the same haremshit.

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>Nobody is telling her to be a completely different character.
>You know moving forward as a character, or in other words progressing, learning and adapting to changes.
Then it shouldn't be a problem accepting she has changed some by way of having a better relationship with Reiji. Development with Nariyuki is an entirely different story and one that hasn't happened yet in a significant way. You can accept both Sensei's development that was personal and Rizu that was for herself as well; neither were about advancing with Nariyuki. So, then, you should be able to accept the development Fumino had in relation to Reiji that wasn't aimed at advancing with Nariyuki either.

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For example after graduation

because Sensei is the Best waifu!

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>bindfolds and gags nariyuki
>throws him in the trunk
>side heroines never see him again

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Uruka > Sensei > Asumi > Rizu > Foomino

That page shows that Reiji is the one struggling and reprimanding himself. He had to change and develop in order to repair his relationsihp with Fumino. Fumino didn't.

reminder reiji was the beloved star in the arc title

see8
>Development with Nariyuki is an entirely different story and one that hasn't happened yet in a significant way.
And it should have by now.
>You can accept both Sensei's development that was personal and Rizu that was for herself as well; neither were about advancing with Nariyuki.
But my dear user, that's false. Hell, in Sensei's case, her relationship with Nariyuki had nothing to do with the central issue in her arc, but as a product of her resolution, her relationship deepened and we have seen the literal result in chapter 106 and 111 (I won't count this chapter yet or the bonus one), in both cases featuring clear "CHANGE" against the status quo. This, is something Fumino has been lacking in every department after her arc, which surprised me after I AM AWAKE.
>So, then, you should be able to accept the development Fumino had in relation to Reiji that wasn't aimed at advancing with Nariyuki either.
Dear God, what is this? Bargaining phase?

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>it doesn't count unless she struggles and reprimand herself too because that's the only way people change
Yeah, you are just trolling.

Tell me again how Fumino changed as a character by accepting Reiji. She's still the same character she was before the arc.

>it doesn't count unless she struggles and reprimand herself too because that's the only way people change
It's certainly not the only way to change, but problem is, "she" didn't change. Good job cherry-picking though. Keep digger for gold user.

It honestly feels like that. Just comparing this chapter to the last two shows the difference in how he treats them. Mafuyu's story is constantly progressing while Uruka and Fumino are static, and Fumino even had an arc. Either Tsutsui needs to give some better treatment to the others or go full in with a sensei end

Muh dick.

Based taste

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This is just fucking pathetic

Harems are consensual agreements user. I dont seen any of the girls on both works agreeing to share.

Miharu, Chapter 101.

Based

It's fine if you want to play coy. I had to stat it for the record, is all.
>Becoming more aware is definitely growing, but like I argued before she isn't more aware of her feelings.
Becoming more aware of her feelings was not the only point. Look and read again. It shouldn't take a Sherlock to do a simple contrast to how she was from 20 something to how she is 50 something chapters later and beyond. A polarity of hardly assertive to being more assertive than before is blatant. There's no excuse to ignore that as developing.
>her circumstances changing
>she "herself" has no developed after it
She and circumstances changed. Literally how she behaves toward Reiji has changed, which is something you haven't refuted that point at all and insteadyou use roundabout mincing words to focus only on Reiji and list off what you defined is change and associate it all to him.
>we have seen beforehand that Fumino has to courage to confront her father.
No, we haven't. Shouting and getting into a fight is not confronting the issue that cause their strain relationship. Fumino avoided him due to rocky relationship and was afraid to find out if he hated her, so she never tried to talk to him about the problem that he caused years ago.
>not Fumino herself developing
See above.
>not her.
Fumino does not need to be proactive in order to change. Fumino's actions has already brought upon changes in Reiji and for herself. She has shown us that she's different when she's around Reiji now. There's no room to debate otherwise.

Go back

>go back
>two retarded posts btfo completely
Ok

i want to read that sensei doujin now, pls help

Gooks when and where?

>LRR list
>Chapter 122
>Filler: No
Ok, at least they weren't THAT delusional

So you're just going to go in circles? Relationships changing doesn't mean characters changing. Fumino didn't need to change an aspect of her personality or her mindset to reconcile. That was all on Reiji.

>And it should have by now.
Not a relevant opinion to the actual main topic at hand.
>that's false
No, it's not. The objective, which is the point, of Sensei's arc was a change in worldview. Rizu. A deepen relationship with Nariyuki because he was an instrument that helped make it happened is merely a byproduct. Sensei was behind most of the other girls in the having affections for Nariyuki department, so her arc simply got her to past the starting line. A change occurred there, but nonetheless it wasn't the main purpose that her arc was for. Just like with Fumino's, its objective was to resolve a problem Reiji and Fumino had as father and daughter. Nariyuki helped made Fumino appreciative and there's an implication of liking him even more, but that's not the focus.
>Bargaining phase?
No an argument. The comparison is valid, but you have nothing to say here to render it moot.

I disagree, Fumino needed to stop evading him to reconcile with him.

>all that defending and she's still going muh ricchan muh uruka-chan after 100 chapters

>Becoming more aware of her feelings was not the only point. Look and read again. It shouldn't take a Sherlock to do a simple contrast to how she was from 20 something to how she is 50 something chapters later and beyond. A polarity of hardly assertive to being more assertive than before is blatant
And again, that is false. She is not becoming assertive and it's not blatant at all. Don't confuse the intensity of her feelings towards her being an assertive idiot.
>She and circumstances changed
Wrong, her circumstances changed, she did not.
>Literally how she behaves toward Reiji has changed, which is something you haven't refuted that point at all and instead you use roundabout mincing words to focus only on Reiji and list off what you defined is change and associate it all to him.
I don't know user, I kinda lost count how many times it was said that Reiji is the one who changed his behavior towards Fumino in this thread for the circumstances to change. The entire point the arc railed into the readers is that Reiji was the one in the wrong and that the problem wasn't with Fumino at all. As a result, Reiji changed his behavior Fumino. You have to gall to call me out on dodging a point, but I feel to see where this change is you're trying to meme into existence.
>No, we haven't.
Oh yes, we have. Tsutsui did retcon that part of her character where she was scared of forcefull guys, but we have clearly seen her stand up against her father.
>See above.
nothing to see
>Fumino does not need to be proactive in order to change. Fumino's actions has already brought upon changes in Reiji and for herself.
Changed in Reiji and "not" herself, get this straight idiot.
>She has shown us that she's different when she's around Reiji now.
she hasn't

She didn't have any problem with that before.

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>can't argue in a way that makes sense
>calls it btfo
(You)

Cut the bull and explain why it's NOT a change when she's now sweet to Reiji and doesn't have heated disagreements where she storms out of the house. She's not the one at fault, so there's no need for her to win Reiji over with gifts or shit. Reconciling is typically about reuniting or mending a damage relationship, and she already did that in her arc.

Fuminofags are extremely delusional, just like their plank of a waifu.

Really? Can you post the page where she told her father about the interview? Did she tell him in person or put a fucking flyer in the dining room?

rare pic of tsutsui

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>explain why it's NOT a change when she's now sweet to Reiji and doesn't have heated disagreements where she storms out of the house.
Because that's her default personality. She didn't change as a person because of it.

That's normal for a rebellious teenage daughter who more than often avoids her dad she's rebelling against. She doesn't have fucking PTSD. Geez.

Honestly im surprised that someone like Reiji was allowed to have Fumino's custody. There wasnt another relative avaible?

Read the reply chain faggot, they already countered that post and the posts after that. Instead of just trying to repeat everything, accept that you got btfo

So? She didn't always evade or distance herself from him.
>She doesn't have fucking PTSD
Of course she didn't. That's the point, read above.

>No, it's not. The objective, which is the point, of Sensei's arc was a change in worldview. Rizu. A deepen relationship with Nariyuki because he was an instrument that helped make it happened is merely a byproduct
see>But my dear user, that's false. Hell, in Sensei's case, her relationship with Nariyuki had nothing to do with the central issue in her arc, but as a product of her resolution
You didn't read my post at all, did you? Sure it wasn't the central issue but as a product of the resolution, her relationship with him deepened you braindead retard. Start reading properly or don't reply to me at all you fucking idiot.
>Sensei was behind most of the other girls in the having affections for Nariyuki department
Nice speedreading, way to go to out yourself as a bigger retard. Not only is it false, its a complete fucking headcanon.
>A change occurred there, but nonetheless it wasn't the main purpose that her arc was for. Just like with Fumino's, its objective was to resolve a problem Reiji and Fumino had as father and daughter. Nariyuki helped made Fumino appreciative and there's an implication of liking him even more, but that's not the focus.
>Bargaining phase?
Sure but out of those circumstances, Sensei (and Rizu, but she hasn't had a chapter yet) has displayed a clear change in their character and her relationship with Nariyuki. Both of these things are something Fumino is lacking with herself. You're derailing the entire argument by focusing solely on her arc and what it tried to resolute. That's blatant deflecting user. The point is her resolution didn't make her develop and didn't change/deeper her relationship with Nariyuki. And like you're saying, the only thing that happened (probably) is that the intensity behind her feelings changed, but newsflash dipshit, that's not developing.
>No an argument. The comparison is valid
The comparison is not valid user. Cause Sensei and Rizu actually have shown that they developed in both field

>people need to change their core personality that defines them in order pass for show "change" and "development" checkmark from me
>it doesn't count if it's not that
Literally troll trolling (You). Shit, let's have a story about cool kids chill, friendly, all-around down to earth with each other, but here comes a bully who they bicker and buttheads with. Shit happens in the end the bully becomes friendly tsundere with them, and they in return are chill, friendly, and down to earth with him too. This doesn't count as development at all because those kids displayed traits that we already seen, GUISE!

You didn't countered shit. Literally end yourself.

>can't argue in a way that makes sense
read the reply chain faggot

>people need to change their core personality that defines them in order pass for show "change" and "development" checkmark from me
seeAnd read the reply chain you inbred.

>You didn't countered shit. Literally end yourself.
1). Not them and 2). you wish

>What did Tsutsui mean by choosing that date?

She won't be a cake until after Christmas

>people need to change their core personality that defines them in order pass for show "change" and "development" checkmark from me
No. Like I said, one aspect of their personality is enough. Nothing changed about Fumino. If someone reads the manga and skips Fumino's arc, they wouldn't notice any difference in her character before and after.

Has anyone of you read Tsutsui's previous manga? I just finished pic related. It's really different from what we have with Bokuben.

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Hello blind and illiterate retard who can't read posts in front of him.

>> Shit, let's have a story about cool kids chill, friendly, all-around down to earth with each other, but here comes a bully who they bicker and buttheads with. Shit happens in the end the bully becomes friendly tsundere with them, and they in return are chill, friendly, and down to earth with him too. This doesn't count as development at all because those kids displayed traits that we already seen, GUISE!
>he literally doesn't deny this
Great. Now we can call it a day and file your shitposting as epic bait.

>Hello blind and illiterate retard who can't read posts in front of him.
Ironic

Looks like a ntr manga.

(You)

>he literally doesn't deny this
>denying blatant shitposting
Yeah, I forgot, (you). Are you happy now?

Your little story is the same. The bully is the character subjected to a change and growth in order to stop being the source of the conflict and fit in the group afterwards.

>So? She didn't always evade or distance herself from him.
>implying
She would rather be out in a storm that near her father.

>(you)
>the fuminosperg has learned how to dodge any issue and make himself seem like in the right anywhere
>l-look, I am not b-btfo, you are!
Careful anons, "it's learning.

She is 28 years old. Based handbook of truth.

Yet she's fine restraining him in front of Rizu and the others like it's a normal thing to do

Gooks when?

I read the magical girl Kosaki shit

Does it have fanservice?

Do you know what cake means? She's 25 now

>Hello blind and illiterate retard who can't read posts in front of him.
Should we tell him?

She was mad and acting like a spoiled brat, but she normally evaded him.

It has a cute mute loli in chain.

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Looks like "normally" has more exceptions to it than not.

>Hello blind and illiterate retard who can't read posts in front of him.
Kek, the irony

does it have an older woman?

>She is not becoming assertive
False. I know you won't budge and are doomed to fall for the same pitfalls to deceive yourself, but it's happening and is a thing. Take 104, she wouldn't act the way she did and leaning towards temptation and almost giving in if this was her from chapter 21. Not even the sleep chapter. The feelings that bottled up over time influenced her to be like this.
>she did not.
>Reiji is the one who changed his behavior towards Fumino
You're going in circles. Reiji merely takes a proactive role to better his relationship with Fumino. This is after the fact Fumino's actions produced a change in Reiji. But that's not all, she learned the truth about how Reiji feels about her and why he was antagonistic towards her for years. Add in her mom's message, her relationship with Reiji changed. She changed how she acts towards him, which is a 180 to before. The only thing so far that you do to deny this is to ignore the above and harp on Reiji's proactive behavior after Fumino arc and completely disregard the current behavior Fumino displays around Reiji.
>scared of forcefull guys, but we have clearly seen her stand up against her father.
That was not retcon. She didn't like Reiji in part because he was forceful. That made her dislike forceful guys. It was never implied that she had deep irrational fear of them. Not like a hemophobia who would faint from the sight of blood.
>nothing to see
You aren't even trying. My point stands.
>Changed in Reiji and "not" herself
Once again, read above. Or better yet, the whole thread.
>she hasn't
Play your game. Show a time when she has shown thanks to Reiji before her arc.

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Meant for

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It was just that day, how is that more ecceptions to it than not? Did she call him when she was sick?

I mean the way she nonchalantly grabbed him from behind. It didn't seem like it was an unusual thing for them given Fumino's reactions.

>replies multiple times to make it look like he's not illiterate
Boring shitposter.

>only the bully showed development
>the other kids that changed their attitude twice: before and after conflict resolution can't be counted as having experienced and undergone change
Literally retarded. My Yea Forums professor would fail your ass.

Does it have pantsu?

Because she was mad and she wasn't thinking clearly, but let's follow your narrative, if she could act that boldly all the time, why didn't she give him the flyer in person? Why did she decided to be out in the middle of a storm instead that with him? Why didn't she call him whe she had a huge fever?

Stop replying to him for fucks sake. Everybody already knows he's a retarded shitposter, the best way to blow him the fuck out is to ignore his pitiful existence completely

>425 posts
>only 66 posters

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sensei...ass? never heard of it

If the bullied kids retain the same outlook, personality, character traits and return to the original situation after having accepted the bully back, yes, they don't develop as characters.
Learn what static character means.

>trusting google translate

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Funny how this only happens on sensei chapter weeks or when LRR muffs the translation.

Senseifags BTFO

The storm thing because of shit writing, but the others are the usual for a soured relationship.

>The storm thing because of shit writing
Really user?

>fuminofags BTFO
ftfy

>LRR muffs the translation.
Was the birthday legit, though?

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Yes.

>never seen before traits and behaviors after they started having fights and headbutting with bully
>climax is reaching reconciliation
>static
Nice retarded and incomplete conjectures.

I love Mafuyu.

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>Take 104, she wouldn't act the way she did and leaning towards temptation and almost giving in if this was her from chapter 21. Not even the sleep chapter. The feelings that bottled up over time influenced her to be like this.
That's simply, again, the intensity of her feelings being stronger, which would make her lean on temptation more. That's still not being assertive.
>Being assertive means that you express yourself effectively and stand up for your point of view, while also respecting the rights and beliefs of others.
This does not apply to her at all, when in regards to Nariyuki. See in the literal same chapter>This is after the fact Fumino's actions produced a change in Reiji. But that's not all, she learned the truth about how Reiji feels about her and why he was antagonistic towards her for years.
Reiji changed because of her dead mother, but if you wanna chalk that up to Fumino because she knew the password, then sure. Go ahead. And even realizing that her father was trying to mend their relationship, still didn't change/develop her. It's like you're trying to make "something happening = development. She didn't develop because of that.
>she changed how she acts towards him, which is a 180 to before
Reiji changed how he acted towards her. To mend their relationship, a change in Fumino wasn't needed and therefore it did not happen. Nobody is saying Fumino didn't do anything, she simply didn't develop or change because of it. That wasn't necessarily in her arc and so it did not happen. Her relationship with Nariyuki also didn't change because of it afterwards. But don't worry, Asumi is in the same boat.
>That was not retcon
The part of her character being afraid of forcefull guys was taken away from her because the implications were a little to heavy-sided.

So, you got the gall to ask me to prove anything, but you are telling me Fumino has changed with nothing to back it up.

Mafuyu and Yotsuba best girls

Wait a minute, LRR stands for Lady Rune Reader right? So, a girl?

>never seen before traits and behaviors
That's called characterization. Development is chaging already established traits.
I can't believe I have to define such basic things.

Nice deflection

So everything you don't like is shit writing.
Okay user, I think we are done here.

>if I push this, then it's TRUE
(you)

We know Nariyuki.

Mafuyu and Nino*

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Fumino and Nino*

Absolute patrician taste. BTW im stealing the pic

No, the whole thing leading to Fumino's arc and its resolution is awfully written.

>Reiji changed how he acted towards her. To mend their relationship, a change in Fumino wasn't needed and therefore it did not happen.
It was Fumino the one who talked with him, Reiji wanted to talk with her but never found a way to do it. Fumino was the one who changed and she changed Reiji.

Yotsuba is indeed best girl.

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Fumino and Itsuki best girls. They are going to win.

Mark my words.

This.

I prefer Uruka, Yotsuba and Chisaki but good taste user

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Keep fighting the good fight.

yeah

They might win but they are far from being best

Silly user. There are no girls on the internet.

Absolutely based

What handbook?

The official handbook.

I bet you're the type of person who always chooses to support the main/likely to win girl no matter

>Nino
>best girl
>not worst

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Why do you even bother replying to him? He's just gonna say "N-no u" in his next reply like all overly defensive Fuminofags

Which official handbook? Do we have scans of that?

user, I...

It's a meme newfag

>It was Fumino the one who talked with him, Reiji wanted to talk with her but never found a way to do it.
See>It's like you're trying to make "something happening = development. She didn't develop because of that.
>Fumino was the one who changed and she changed Reiji.
Correction, her death mother changed Reiji, not Fumino. Fumino's actions in that arc didn't need her to change or develop. She found the laptop (very conviently might I add), she knew the password (because she never forgets something she heard) and showed it to Reiji and even the act of showing the message to him didn't make her develop. Why? Cause she issues were always with Reiji and not her. She didn't change at all.

why were the threads today so full of newfags

My guess is that those spergs arguing back and forth about translations caused Redditors to come here and fuel the fire.

>Mafuyu and Itsuki
Fixed

gross
the >JB fag should kill himself

Holy shit, you are a legit retard. You're confusing fleshing out characters to how writers go about representing their characters through narrative writing, which encompasses description and depiction. Development is not at all limited to established traits. A killer who is still a killer by the end of the story, but kills for a different reason than, say, revenge, is still development. The change is simple, and may be insignificant to others, but not to the killer.
>started having fights and headbutting with bully
Use your brain. If they did this, but in the end reached co-existence, what should you infer to what happened? That change in something occurred. Perspective? Resolved problems? Learned lesson? Outlook? They all are subject to change. Literally no different from Fumino's change aimed at Reiji that brought a change in how she behaves towards him post-conflict resolution.

>191466834
>weak af bait
(You)

That's nu-Fuminofags in a nutshell
I miss the times when Yea Forumsfags were the first ones to make fun of their girl and didn't take shipping shit nor Yea Forums hate seriously

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Top worst girls

Bottom best girls

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>fumishit
>hibarishit
>best anything

>Kirinoshitter
Im not surprised here.

>Kir

I wish I could go back to the early threads.
Funposting, loads of OC every thread. just fun, fun, fun.

Probably secondaries from the anime

>Fumino's actions in that arc didn't need her to change or develop. She found the laptop (very conviently might I add), she knew the password (because she never forgets something she heard) and showed it to Reiji and even the act of showing the message to him didn't make her develop. Why? Cause she issues were always with Reiji and not her. She didn't change at all.
If the issues were always with Reiji, why didn't she show him the content of the file when she found the laptop? It would have been better for her to do it if it was an instant win. The truth is that Fumino needed to face her father and talk to him.

expired cake BOGO

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>>weak af bait
>(You)
Sorry bud, I know it makes you feel insecure that more than one persona disagrees with you but that won't change reality

>revisionist

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Mafuyu, miku and chisaki for me to be honest

You're the retard who keeps confusing terms. Fleshing is another form of characterization, by filling in the blanks about a character. Motivations changing after certain events also counts as development, and Fumino's main motivation has been the same for the entire series. You're straying more and more from the original point which is about Fumino's character not changing after fixing her relationship with Reiji.
>That change in something occurred. Perspective? Resolved problems? Learned lesson? Outlook?
Yes, for the bully character who's the source of the conflict while the other characters function as plot devices for him to learn a lesson.

>For me? Yotsuba, Uruka, Chisaki

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For me, it's lolifuyu

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Replace Uruka with Mafuyu and you're literally perfect

I said Mafuyu and Yotsuba best girls!

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I feel relaxed at Kirisu-sensei's apartment
probably because it smells nice but I don't feel the need to be so on edge because I'm surrounded by garbage

You say a lot of things.

I'd say they're both very good choices.

>smells nice
>surrounded by garbage
senseifags more delusional than foomshitters?

you ever see a really tiny dog

She is going for the main heroine role. I’m sure that Mafuyu is going to win this.

I'd give her the juicy stuff in her ever widening gap

Sensei and Yotsuba a best!

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sensei a best
other girls can fuck off to their own threads

Based Yotsubro

>That's still not being assertive.
Even with that, huh. Yeah, you're hopelessly self-deluded for an obvious reason.
>This does not apply to her at all
She's growing and is becoming increasingly forceful, bolder, even more blunt when she speaks her mind. This is most shown when she scolds Nariyuki or go meta literature mode to educate the others. That kind of growth affects her relationship with Nariyuki as time goes on. It's the main reason why she developed budding affection in which she faces conflict on a subconscious level. She's a girl too and being close with him all the time is bound to tug some strings in her when she's helping Uruka and Rizu get close to him.
>Reiji changed because of her dead mother
>Reiji changed how he acted towards her.
Wrong andwrong. His wife only him a reality slap to get him out of being obsessed with math, but the main problem was able Reiji being wracked with guilt for slapping Fumino and didn't know how to fix it. He was too afraid to admit and have a talk. Fumino confronting him and pushing him out of his comfort zone was the reason why. He was able to spill the reason why he was behaving harshly and forcefully. Fumino had to go out of her comfort zone too in order to create that opportunity. The way she acts and behaves around him now that has been said many times already, are the result of change that transpired. You keep distorting this truth.
>being afraid of forcefull guys was taken away from her
No it wasn't. Just because you imagine it's the extreme or irrational fear, doesn't mean it was retcon. I'm afraid of spiders and say that all the time to people, but when push comes to shove, I can deal with a spider under the right circumstances. That's no different from Fumino willing herself to confront Reiji with Nariyuki's support.
>nothing to back it up.
I literally posted a scan to show a difference. It's time you just admit that you can't prove the contrary.

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>tfw they will never win

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tf is this autism

Honestly is there a quint Senseibros don't like?
I've even seen some preferring Ichika

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A true senseibro would choose Yotsuba or Itsuki.

>these people should like this
cringe

Retard. Fleshing can be adding, filling, or expanding a character. Characterization is constructing characters through literary techniques, ones that naturally require the use of describing and depicting how characters are, what they look like, what they do, and so forth. Development would fall under characterizing.
>Motivations changing after certain events also counts as development
No shit. But your comparison is retarded. That's like saying Rizu's motivation is literature and that hasn't changed for the entire series, therefore she's hasn't changed at all. We aren't talking motivation. Nobody was.
>not changing after fixing her relationship with Reiji.
Nope. Any changes a character goes through or experience and show is development. Period. This isn't about Fumino's existing character to Nariyuki, Rizu, or anybody else except to her father. Get that through that thick and dumb skull of yours.

Why is her skating outfit that lewd?

Urukafags are Ichikafags.

Yotsubafags*

when did you take the senseipill?

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>it's not autism when my side dump walls of text and argue for hours to brag about being right over the internet

I've some Senseifags hate Nino aka best girl.

Rizu > Sensei > Uruka > Fumino > Senpai
1 > 4 > 2 > 5 > 3

Where?

Chapter 19-22.

I haven't read much of that series but I like Itsuki so far.

Miharu picked it out for her, knowing exactly what Nariyuki and Mafuyu would be doing at the rink. 122 will be the first non timetravel Miharu chapter since 101 so I'm interested in seeing how Moeman and his Kirisus interact.

Both of you have impeccable taste

the innocent face on the right is so good

This is legit sad. I'm convinced you don't even read what you write before posting

Won't arsed myself to spend 200 hours in archive to find a handful of selective posts in a sea of data to sate you. But fret not, I've seen some Urukafags hate Nino too.

At least say around which time, since Nino was by far the least popular girl a year ago and yet the old council threads had those cross-best girl rankings with sensei and Nino on top

It's not just the outfit, it's the person wearing it

I know, right? JKfuyu is a fucking cutie and even though I didn't like it that much when I read the spoilers for it, 119 turned out to be one of my favorite chapters because of her

Some in those council threads in spring this year, yeah. Cross-fanbase meta too in 5toubun and Bokuben here and there.

what side?

Not all that unusual for a figure skating outfit, really.

It's funny because one of the major Nino haters in those threads was a Fuminofag

>Fleshing can be adding, filling, or expanding a character.
That's what I said you bumbling idiot, and that also falls under characterization. Adding traits to a character by exposing it to new situations is not development, it's expanding the character aka characterizing it. A character can confront all sorts of different circumstances and come out unchanged, retaining the same views and personality it had before, making it a static character. You didn't specify what the views and traits of the bullied characters in your little story were, thus I can easily assume they're only plot devices for the bully to develop.
>That's like saying Rizu's motivation is literature and that hasn't changed for the entire series, therefore she's hasn't changed at all
Do you have shit for eyes? I said motivation changes also count as development, not that it's the only form of development so by bringing it up you're not helping Fumino's case. This is because you said something about a killer changing his reason (motivation) for killing.
>Nope. Any changes a character goes through or experience and show is development. Period. This isn't about Fumino's existing character to Nariyuki, Rizu, or anybody else except to her father.
Again, what changes? This is about Fumino's own character and not a selective relationship change which didn't require her to change for it to have effect. Nothing about Fumino's character, personality and outlooks changed with it, get over it already.

Don't recall. But for major hater, I do recall one Senseifag who kinda kept reposting Sensei/Miku a best / Fumino/Nino a shit like stock posts in many council threads.

It would be hilarious if JKfuyu beats Fumino in a likely third poll
Sensei has enough votes to spare and a good coordination among nip Senseifags can make it happen

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You recall wrong
desuarchive.org/a/search/text/fumino nino/order/asc/page/2/

delete that sensei