Bring shinji back

this wasn't even a failure to communicate, no one even tried to fucking communicate except for kaworu and the old guy.

Read my post again. It might help to have at least a double digit IQ and a basis grasp of character writing.

It's evident in the later half of the movie that Shinji was entirely irrational about everything. Kaworu was nice to him and he still didn't believe him when he told Shinji to retreat. It's very doubtful he would have listened to Misato about Rei if he heard her voice. Misato and Ritsuko effectively did tell him everything is talking about but seeing how Shinji was so hyperfocused on Rei the whole time, I think he still would have gone with her, would've had the same conversation with Kaworu and would still be driven to fix his "mistake".

It is what it is, timeskip Misato and co. are all bitter and jaded. The only time we see Misato and Asuka interact with each other, Asuka mocks Misato's position as captain as she leaves the room after talking with Shinji. They probably hate each other too. What makes everything worse is that Misato was cheering Shinji as he tried to save Rei in 2.0, which eventually triggered 3rd impact. And Shinji also resisted fighting Bardiel in 2.0 as he didnt want to hurt Asuka.

I guess after 14 years, they forgot all that.

Kaworu sure did communicate, by lying about the NTE and completely failing to convince Shinji not to pull on the lances.

There was no plan. Because they never planned to bring him back.

It was so bizzare to think that in this moment Shinji was not the one acting like a spoiled brat

>muh Ayanami
Yes he was. Adults were in the middle of something but Shinji brat could not shut up about irrelevant shit.

if they failed to communicate they'd have to try and communicate which they didn't

Exactly? They didn't try to communicate because they couldn't put aside their grudges and act rationally.

Are you just pretending to be retarded?

I've mostly had on blinders anytime someone even mentions the rebuild movies. From the tidbits I've accidentally read on threads like this, I'm pretty excited to get shithouse stoned and watch all 4 movies in one day sometime in the next few years

>irrelevant shit
He wanted to know what happened during these 14 years he was asleep, hardly irrelevant. They had no reason no to tell him, they were acting like a bunch of stubborn bitches.
>Hmph, I'm not going to tell you. Figure it out yourself idiot

I hope all those motherfuckers apologize to Shinji

they all deserve to be tang'd

right, lets just put a guy who has no idea what's happening into the cock-pit so everyone can look angrily at him instead of keeping him in a room and talk to him when they aren't in the middle of something. This isn't his fault.

good refutal

Yeah, different characters having different priorities that follow from their personalities, circumstances and lived experiences caused the conflict of the film to develop. It's almost like it's a story or something.

So you're too autistic to differently between semantic quibbling and the substance of a discussion, thanks for confirming.

All Shinji is ever talking about during the initial contact with Wille is what happend to Ayanami and literally nothing else. They were in the middle of some serious shit like Angel fighting, mass produced Eva fighting and initiating the flight engine on Wunder. They had no time to spare and humour Shinji. In the midst of the fight Misato did communicate to him loud and clearly "Shinji Ikari from now on you do nothing" but Shinji, like the brat he is, just couldn't take a no for an answer. During the cooldown Misato and Ritsuko sat him down and started debrifing him but he rejected their news about Ayanami being gone. Later on he flat out admits he doesn't care that the world is devastated because he saved Ayanami, until he finds out he didn't. Shinji was his usual selfish, erratic brat the whole movie.

This was their sole mistake, they should have kept him in isolation. But not telling him everything while they are in a middle of a MPE assault is not one.

no, what I'm doing is pointing out a terribly written flaw in the beginning of the story and your refutal is
>dude, the series is all about a failure to communicate, hahah you are stupid and I am so intelligent

lmgtfy.com/?q=failure to do something meaning

>caused the conflict of the film to develop
Yea, the problem is that it was a stupid forced conflict that was there because Shinji had to go with Ayanami clone

Don't bullshit me. If Shinji was actually in their way during the battle all Misato had to say "We're busy, I'll explain everything to you later". She was acting like a unprofesional cunt and played that situation incorrectly because obviously being ignored and getting told to not do anything will have the opposite effect on Shinji and thats something that Misato should perfectly know. It's not like I'm saying that Shinji was a grownup in the movie but I can't and didn't blame him for his reaction during the inital scene. The whole party was being immature

It's not a terribly written flaw. It makes perfect sense, you just miss the point.
>hurr characters act irrational, is bad
And thanks for the flattery, but I'm of average intelligence.

>I put a bomb in your neck but don't go, please trust me dude

Nobody was acting hostile or immature toward Shinji beside Asuka. They were stern and matter-of-factly but this isn't unusual in a military setting during combat. Shinji is a grunt, he isn't owed preferential treatment. And an order is an order regardless of how it's delivered. Shinji simply refused to take the order because he was used to his special status as an Eva pilot and that's all there is to it.

The rebuilds show that Eva's popularity was really just luck. The average person obviously want something more like 2.22 than NGE or 3.33. Yet it became one of the most popular anime ever.

Repeat after me: regardless of what they said and did Shinji still would have gone with Rei.

They're mouthpieces for Anno's hatred towards Rei and everyone who likes the character. Essentially:

>YOU SAVED REI? YOU WANT TO SAVE REI? FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU I'LL DESTROY EVERYTHING RATHER THAN SEE THAT HAPPEN
and so 3.0 happened, and so Misato and everyone else acted cold towards Shinji for something that they, 14 years ago, also cheered for.

When they invited Enokido over as a guest writer for 2.0, he pitched this idea:
>Enokido: Right. Rei gets completely absorbed by the Angel. It’s just as though she has died and entered the netherworld. The audience is thinking that Rei is dead. Despite this, Shinji pilots Unit-01 again in order to save Rei. He cries out “Ayanami!” and reaches forward, with an awful noise, through the front of the entry plug. He must establish some means of descending to the underworld.
>Finally, having grabbed (the unclothed) Rei’s hand, he pulls her out with a sudden movement. I feel I demonstrated this method of rescue with all my might. I completely transformed into Shinji. I think everyone was staring at me very coldly (laugh).

Notice the last line. 3.0 is Anno's and the writers fanboy resentment of Rei for being popular, more popular than their favorites.

Shinji had to be attacked and punished, and Rei had to be removed and humiliated by virtually everyone in the series for them to feel better about themselves.

>Nobody was acting hostile or immature toward Shinji
Were we watching the same movie? Misato wasn't even looking at him and the rest were glaring at him like a bunch of highschoolers

The new crew was acting somewhat hostile, but they didn't even know him.

the facial expressions they all show him is total hostility and more natural than language.

That's still not a hostile treatment, that's just cold treatment which is the standard in a military setting during combat. Are you insisting they should throw him a welcome part or something? They were busy and Shinji didn't even register their stares.

>Shinji is the master key in the story (and they know this)
>do not deserve preferential treatment
very wise of them. I see

If everyone turned cold, it was not for a hatred of Rei because if that was the case then 1.11 and 2.22 wouldn't be so focused on her and Shinji's relationshio, it would be because he completely disregarded Shinji's previous character to make that moment.

>they looked at him the wrong way
Are you fucking serious.

Holy shit I just realized how similar Mari is to Poochie

No one ever says Shinji did something wrong by saving Rei. Not once does that happen in the movie.

How is that not a hostile treatment? They were complete strangers that never met Shinji but the second they met they were looking at him with hatered

>The characters acted irrationally!
>Yes.
>But that's bad!
>Why?
>Because they didn't do the smart thing that they should have done!
>You mean they acted irrationally?
>Yes!
>So?
>I-It's forced!
>Because their situation and motivations led them to make irrational choices?
>Yes!
>But that makes sense in the story.
>No! It's bad because I say it's bad! Fuck you for pointing out that the story connects together logically in a cause and effect kind of situation!
>Ok.

Shinji was only relevant to them as long as Eva 01 was relevant. Seeing as it was stored away in space for more than a decate it's safe to say they've long moved on from Shinji. They still should have locked him away deep in Wunder though, but even if they had done that, Rei in unit 09 would still manage to get him out somehow if he called out to her the way he did in the movie.

Do you just accidentally look at people the wrong way? There's thought behind expressions and saying they weren't hostile is just plain wrong.

If someone caused and apocalypse you wouldn't exactly be super nice to him either. Regardless if he did it intentionally or not. Blaming bitter and traumatised people for not giving him a warm welcome is brainlet-tier.

Think about stuff from time to time instead of acting oblivious on purpose, just because it enables you to be a smug asshole.

>what exactly was the plan here?
Trying too hard to be like Gendo.

>characters are acting irrationally and out of character because otherwise the "plot" won't move foward
>n-no! that totally makes sense

>out of character because otherwise the "plot" won't move foward
No one acts out of character, and the plot would have happend anyway.

>women
>plan

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Thinking cold look equals hostile treatment is literal kindergarten level reaction to social interaction. I can't take you seriously if you're implying cold looks in a militaristic setting during war are ever a serious reason to cry bad treatment and injustice. Grow some thick skin for crying out loud.

>pull 14 year old boy out of 14 year coma
>explain nothing to him, instead act like a complete dick because of something he is unaware he did
>despite the fact that you fucking encouraged him to do it
>despite the fact that you need him to stay with you lest he gets tricked into doing it again
>despite the fact that you know he has per-existing issues with self-confidence, abandonment, being treated poorly by figures he looks up to, and general human interaction
>despite the fact that you know he's got a problem with not running away
>One of the few other people he ever connected with comes along
>decides to leave with them because you couldn't even be bothered to tell him "she's not her, but a clone"
>clearly this is not at all their fault, but entirely his
You might have a point if they had at least done something like saying "we're busy right this moment, but we'll explain everything later" but they didn't do that. It's simply bad writing.

you're the one acting like a smug asshole by calling a critique of something less intelligent than your praise without foundation.

>because otherwise the "plot" won't move foward
No, they act so because of their histories, personalities and external circumstances. It's really that simple. If you're not a giant bitch, there's very little to take exception to.
If you're saying that event A takes place in order to allow event B to take place... congratulations on understanding that you're experiencing a story?

You can handwave characters behaving contrary to how they were behaving in 2.0 with the 14 year time-skip, it's still bad writing

I'm saying it shouldn't matter and it isn't a valid enough reason to claim Shinji was mistreated.

>Shinji is a grunt, he isn't owed preferential treatment. And an order is an order regardless of how it's delivered.
Nigger, are you fucking retarded?
He's the fucking key to all of it, who they NEED to stay with them and not go to Gendo and NERV. That most certainly at the very least deserves some level of special treatment, unless you want him to just fuck off, exactly like he did

>their histories, personalities and external circumstances

Lol wut?

you said nobody was acting hostile

>>>/reddit/

It's almost as if acting like menopauseing bitches caused all the problems in the movie, strange.

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>>pull 14 year old boy out of 14 year coma
Not intentional.
>despite the fact that you know he has per-existing issues with self-confidence, abandonment, being treated poorly by figures he looks up to, and general human interaction
Because if there is one thing Eva's character is know for it is how to handle someone mentally ill.
>decides to leave with them because you couldn't even be bothered to tell him "she's not her, but a clone"
Why would he believe them, there has never been a mention of clones before that point. He would just assume they were lying once he saw Rei.

It's not the best writing but it't not the worst crime a writer can commit. The movie gave a good enough reason for the characters to act on desperation.

>act hostile towards the first Angel
she is a suicidal psycho

No it's bad because I say it's bad reeeeeee

There is nothing contradictory and nothing needs to be handwaved. The world ended it is not weird that they are a bit more cold than usual towards the source of that.

>get in the robot
>get in the robot
>get in the robot
>DON'T GET IN THE ROBOT

Are we supposed to hate Shinji?

>we're busy right this moment,
This should be fucking self evident by the fact that everything around them was on fucking fire.

Not anymore than we were supposed to hate him in Eva.

>The movie gave a good enough reason for the characters to act on desperation.
tell me what is that "reason".

No seriously, wut?

Last time we saw Misato she was cheering Shinji on to fuck up Zeruel.

And if she is going to blame Shinji for whatever happened afterwards then she needs to take a good, hard look in the mirror, because she was his commanding officer approving and encouraging his behaviour to say the least

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>No, they act so because of their histories, personalities and external circumstances
That we never get to know? Do you even remember the last scene with Misato in 2.22 and the first in 3.33? You can blame that character shift on the timeskip but it still comes out as unnatural. Im sure there were plenty of better ways to get Shinji to go with Ayanami clone than what Anno choose

They were desperate due to being under attack? Fuck, your brain is smaller than the head of your penis, which is small indeed.
Not that user btw.

How was Shinji going to hear her scream down there. Shinji made his decision entirely separate from Misato's cheering.
And it is not odd for her to think that it might have been a bad thing to do since it ended the world, which she didn't know would happen.

>Misato, Shinjis commanding officer and Ritsuko Gendos tops scientist blaming Shinji for 3rd Impact

Top jej

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As of 3.0 Shinji is less than fucking irrelevant. His Eva is an engine now, not even combat necessary.
>they NEED to stay with them and not go to Gendo and NERV
And that's why they kept him on the deck with all the important personnel instead of shoving him into storage, which still didn't help so yeah regardless of what they did Rei would still find a way to get him.

>Do you even remember the last scene with Misato in 2.22 and the first in 3.33
Because Misato's character is entirely concentrated in that 1 scene in 2.22. There is nothing more to her character that might inform us of who she is and why she might act like she did.

I still stand by that. On top of their looks not being a valid argument to begin with.

>How was Shinji going to hear her scream down there.
Everyone that's part of the Wille bridge crew herd her encouraging Shinji, but they don't seem to have a problem with her, only with Shinji.

>which she didn't know would happen.
But Shinji did? Digging your own grave here pal

>Not intentional.
Getting back shinji may not have been their intention, but the fact that they didn't even plan for it only makes them out as retarded.
>Because if there is one thing Eva's character is know for it is how to handle someone mentally ill.
There's a very very big gap between "not knowing how to deal with mental illness" and "doing fucking everything wrong in handling it" Again, it's very much so against their goals to have him get in NERV hands. As such, they should at least try to further their goals by doing their best to take in account his mental state.
>Why would he believe them, there has never been a mention of clones before that point. He would just assume they were lying once he saw Rei.
They didn't even try and give him a reason to trust them or believe them. They did absolutely nothing to even attempt to further their goals, which again, makes them out as retarded, which is just plain bad writing

>Do you even remember the last scene with Misato in 2.22 and the first in 3.33? You can blame that character shift on the timeskip but it still comes out as unnatural.
Not really? We were shown how and why she changed and she was identifiably the same character under her apocalypse-developed shell. It was instantly understandable and natural to me.

Absolutely this. Misato is acting like a hipocritical cunt. Why does everyone forget that its in her best interest to keep Shinji on the ship but her actions do the opposite. Not to mention she knows that Nerv will try to get to Shinji asap so it would be best not to completely alienate him and cause a massive distrust

>so yeah regardless of what they did Rei would still find a way to get him.

They literally make a point in the movie that he had to call out to Rei for her to find him. So no, if they hadn't treated him like shit none of 3.0 would have happened.

No, it's actually Shinji acting like a horny adolescent brainlet what's led to the world destruction twice.

Neither of them ever says it was Shinji's fault but they also have no idea if it was. How can they know whether Shinji was working together with Gendo or not.

Yeah but what's the message behind that?

>Everyone that's part of the Wille bridge crew herd her encouraging Shinji, but they don't seem to have a problem with her, only with Shinji.
Because she didn't do anything she just stood there and screamed a bit.
>But Shinji did? Digging your own grave here pal
They don't know that. All they know is that Shinji has the capacity to end the world.

yes it fucking is, you said they weren't hostile and they clearly showed a feeling of hostility towards shinji. Human communication isn't just words.

>As of 3.0 Shinji is less than fucking irrelevant
Absolutely not. Sure, is he useful to WILLE? No.
But he's very useful to NERV, which in turn makes keeping him very important. And instead, they did nothing to incentivize that, but instead nearly everything they could to make it so he wouldn't.

It is a retarded excuse to move the plot forward, i can understand if some of them are acting irrational for ALL THE THINGS THAT HAPPENED BUT NEVER HAVE BEEN SHOWN, but making all of them act like kids is just bad writing and a dumb excuse, is clearly obviously if you treat like shit someone, he will want to leave you.

>It is a retarded excuse to move the plot forward
No.
It's that simple, no.

Are you for fucking real? Are people forgetting Ritsuko was directly working on the Ayanami series?

She is literally the inner-most circle of NERV, right next to Fuyutsuki.

>All they know is that Shinji has the capacity to end the world.
Which is exactly why they need to be on his good side, you idiot.
What they did is like a hostage negotiator shit talking the captor when they have a gun to the hostages head, i.e. exactly the fucking opposite of what ANYONE would do

>Getting back shinji may not have been their intention, but the fact that they didn't even plan for it only makes them out as retarded.
What plan were they supposed to have?
>There's a very very big gap between "not knowing how to deal with mental illness" and "doing fucking everything wrong in handling it"
Remember when Misato offered Shinji sex after Rei died in episode 23. She obviously never had any idea what she was doing.
>They didn't even try and give him a reason to trust them or believe them. They did absolutely nothing to even attempt to further their goals, which again, makes them out as retarded, which is just plain bad writing
Or maybe they just didn't except NERV to be as fast as they were, they probably they would have more time before getting attacked. They barely had any time with him before Rei took him away.

Yet she obviously didn't know about Gendo's plan to end the world otherwise she wouldn't be working against him now. So there might have been other things she didn't know.

Holy fuck you are you retarded.

You think the general that approves a nuclear bombing isn't responsible for it because "he didn't to anything he just stood there and said a few words"

But she didn't approve it Shinji was already doing it before she said anything, and would have done it without her consent. It is more like blaming a guy for cheering when the bomber planes leave the airfield.

Honestly any rational person sides with Shinji in 3.0

>Woken up with guns pointed at his face
>Nobody tells you what's going on
>They put a bomb around your neck and tell you that THEY WILL KILL YOU
>Then they tell you 14 years have passed
>At the same time Asuka comes in but she looks exactly as she did the last time you saw her, not a day older
>They tell you Rei is dead
>But then Rei appears
>They still won't tell you what's happening

What's your basis for believing anything Wille is saying at that point?

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out of arguments? Better don't reply.

>Yet she obviously didn't know about Gendo's plan to end the world
Sure as fuck looked like she knew what was happening in 2.0, but Rebuild is garbage so they will never actually develop this and just sweep it under the rug.

The plot would have moved either way.

Shinji rejected the news about Rei being dead flat. He WOULD have called out to Rei even if Misato was simultaneously sucking his dick.

None
Shinji did nothing wrong

Go back to the kindergarten user. Adult world is too hostile for you.

>and has no reason to treat him as a human being
Except she did you dingus.
If it was just a bunch of chemicals she wouldn't hesitate with the remote detonator.

>What plan were they supposed to have?
Maybe "let's not treat the guy who can end the world like shit"
>Remember when Misato offered Shinji sex after Rei died in episode 23
>citing NGE when discussing the rebuilds
Also, not even remotely comparable. While that shows she has a flawed understanding of what shinji needs, it still is at least something that is attempting to comfort him, and may indeed work for others.
You can't possibly argue that "being a dick to shinji" would ever work towards the goal of "getting him to trust and like us"
>Or maybe they just didn't except NERV to be as fast as they were, they probably they would have more time before getting attacked. They barely had any time with him before Rei took him away.
So their plan was what then? "be a dick to shinji when he wakes up, confuse him and get mad at him, then when where sure we're safe from NERV, say "Just kidding! Here's what happened, here's what we need you to do!"" Because that makes sense, right?

Tell me how.

Rei would have showed up when she did and Shinji would have gone with her no matter what Asuka and Misato said. Then Kaworu would still tell him it was his fault the world turned out like it did and Shinji would yet again try to revert it.

>he's very useful to NERV
Not that Misato is aware of. They have both Rei and Kaworu clones, they can initiate impacts all day long. Which they did by the way. I guarantee you that the twist in ep 4.0 will be that it was Kaworu who made N3I instead of Shinji.
>they did nothing to incentivize that
They kept him close by, but no matter what they did Shinji would always leave with Rei, always.

>y-you're just in kindergarten haha!
nice refutal

Do you apply that same line of reasoning to Shinji acting like a retard with the spears in Terminal Dogma?

>Which is exactly why they need to be on his good side, you idiot.
Actually, they should have just terminated him on the spot, just to be sure. Misato was too soft.

The biggest issue is that they could have easily made it so that WILLE didn't act retarded while still getting the same plot.
>have Misato, Asuka and Sakura treat him kindly, try to explain what happened
>have NERV appear, putting doubt in his mind, and eventually deciding to go with them, but shown to not be sure it's the right decision
>through out the movie play with shinji being unsure if he's making the right choices
>have his choices nearly fuck the world up again, kill the only person who's ever really been kind to him
>as a result of all this, shinji utterly breaks, convinced he's incapable of making the right choice, giving us the same end as the film

Was it confirmed that Rei has Lilith's soul in the rebuilds?

Honestly, them trying to outright kill him would have been better than what we got.
At it keeps them acting logical, establishes how things have changed and gives shinji an even better reason to say "fuck this, I'm out"

I'm laughing because your insistence that people were acting hostile toward Shinji because they gave him a mean look is indeed laughable.

>Killing Kaworu's boytoy

Yeah, that's sure to play out nicely

>cinematic media
>everything that is shown is carefully planned in order to expose a story to the audience

>film purposefully shows crew looking hostile towards a newcommer

>I'm laughing because your insistence that people were acting hostile toward Shinji because they all gave him a hostile look while ignoring him is indeed laughable.

Are you seriously arguing that Wille wasn't acting hostile towards Shinji after putting a fucking bomb around his neck?

Fuck off whale.

>putting a bomb around a person's neck and saying you'll kill him if need be isn't hostile
Fucking what?

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Bomb collar is a good argument. A fucking look is not.

They all knew he triggered the near third impact.
They all resented him for it.
They were hostile towards him. All of them.
The point also was never to rescue Shinji, but rather to get unit 01, so it's likely they don't give a fuck about him and are wondering the fuck is he doing inside.
Except Toji's sister because she knows better of him due to his brother.

I don't get how Misato being hypocritical is supposed to be a flaw in the writing when it's kind of the point of her actions at the end of 2.22 and throughout 3.33.
Misato agreed with Shinji's behaviour and now sees its results. 14 years later, she hates the naïvité she once held and sees past follies reflected in the frozen-in-time Shinji. The bitterness of 14 years of apocalyptic hell have left her incapable of expressing understanding towards Shinji, who hasn't had the chance to grow as she has, and that pain causes her to shut her heart to him instead of being the one person (other than Kaworu later, who is pure unconditional love) to really sympathise with him. That's the tragedy of her character in the third film and in my opinion it's quite sad and powerful while also being appreciably understated.

Because the fucking movie presents it like you should be siding with Wille 100% you dumb mongoloid

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Uh... no it doesn't. It presents them as people who have their own understandable perspective and so does Shinji, but they fail to align.
Actually, what does that have to do with my post at all?

>mfw didn't watch 3.0 and not going to

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>right goal, wrong methods = the fucking movie presents it like you should be siding with Wille 100%
Have you, for instance, read a book more complicated than The Very Hungry Caterpillar before?

>by lying about the NTE
Fuck off with this meme already, we literally saw Shinji start third impact at the end of 2.0

>Except Toji's sister because she knows better of him due to his brother.
And it makes no sense for her to be nice to Shinji and Misato not. She never even knew him personally unlike Misato.

We also literally see it end in 2.0

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>still caring about evangelion in 2019
time to get over it eh lads?

But there's nothing else to say. You insist that a logical plot progression is a "retarded excuse to move the plot forward" and there's simply no boiling it down further. If this were school and I the principal, I would be telling your parents that there was no hope and you would best serve your community slaughtered and served as cafeteria food.

Yes. It's actually a really interesting effect when you think of it. We know as much as Shinji, and the reaction to Misato's character shows it. We are so taken aback as Shinji is and don't really undersant what she or the rest of the cast had to go through. But when you think about it it's not that unreasonable the way he was treated.

What was unreasonable was that they weren't straight and to the point with him.
'Don't pilot eva ever again!' It's a bit too cryptic when the reason you shouldn't do that is the fucking end of the world.

MIsato planned to have hate-sex with Shinji to relieve all that pent up stress and frustration she built up over the years. Shinji escaping obviously botched that plan which was basically years in the making.

Shinji initiated the impact in his and Rei's image, Kaworu aborted it and then went into Terminal Dogma and initiated a full on Impact in his own image. Which is why failures of infinity look like Kaworu/Adam/Eva clones.

Fair point.
I'd argue she's had to bid with more responesanilities than her, and mixed with her own personal issues, Gendo's lies and betrayal, Kaji's and lots of the original crews death, she's become bitter and resentful, which is again one of the main thematic aspects of the show.

Notice how that Kaworu scene is after the credits.
We already saw Shinji causing damage to the world at the end of 2.0, Kaworu didn't stop him immediately.

>You insist that a logical plot progression
Even you have admited that the characters are acting irrationally, what are you talking about? There's no good reason to them to act like that, is just an excuse.

Wrong. Until You Come to Me literally shows Unit 01 going beserk with people shooting at it and pic related.
The Kaworu scenes after the credits are going to be implied to be the next timeloop that occurs after 3.0/4.0

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How about no

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>this much fanwank

Anno would be proud

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Yeah I'm sure Mark.06 did it all and Misato and co. are just mad at Shinji because they can't tell the different between Unit 01 and Mark.06?
Explain why Shinji is in space at the beginning of 3.0, then.

No, the irrational behaviour is the logical result of their circumstances.
>they're weary and pissed off after living through the soldier apocalypse for a decade plus
>they therefore don't approach the question of detaining and debriefing Shinji, basically the antichrist, as unemotionally as they should
It's really, really that simple. Your stubborn refusal to admit this doesn't make you smart.

SEELE put him up there to prevent Gendo from going forward with his plan.

Remember, Eva01 awakening in 2.0 was not according to SEELE's plan.

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Yeah, Shinji definitely did nothing those 14 years.
Despite us being shown him awakening in Unit 01 to save Asuka literally minutes before this scene.

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>Shinji, basically the antichrist,
So characters are acting hysterically and completely ignoring the parts they played in 3rd Impact.

>SEELE put him up there to prevent Gendo from going forward with his plan.
Even though SEELE and Gendo are on the same side now?
Where is it stated SEELE put him up there with 01?

Also your theory fails to explain why Shinji would be so recognizable to everyone on Misato's ship. The only explanation can be that they saw Unit 01 cause the impact.
We even see Shinji able to awaken unit 01 when he's sleeping:

Why does it says Bm-03?
Is this the third attempt?

Or perhaps the third 'Shinji' that they've recovered.
I doubt they were just being sitting ducks those 14 years.

The world after the credits still looks the same as before the credits. Whatever happend with 01 still might have happend because of Kaworu's intervention. We also literally see that Mark 6 in which Kaworu descended in 2.0 is still in Terminal Dogma in 3.0.

And the spear that put unit 01 into a slumber is gone as well.
Taking the spear out might have just resumed the impact.

>Even though SEELE and Gendo are on the same side now?
They are always on the same side as long as it's beneficial for them, for instance in 3.0 Kaworu is their "agent" piloting Eva13

Gendo's plans always involve Eva01 where Yui is stuck, SEELE's don't.

>Also your theory fails to explain why Shinji would be so recognizable to everyone on Misato's ship.
Propaganda, dumb script, retcon, pick your poison.

>We even see Shinji able to awaken unit 01 when he's sleeping
And that's why he was shot into space by SEELE, because they don't want an Awakened Eva01 messing up their plans.

That would make for an interesting twist and would also make more pallatable the way they treated him in the movie.

>Mark 6 an Eva confirmed to be infected with an angel
Than angel was 2.0 Kaworu to be precise. Kaworu in 3.0 was degraded to the 13th angel because he resurrected the Kaworu inside Mark 6 and since that other Kaworu was his senior, the new one fell down in rank. There are multiple Kaworus in Rebuilds because Gnedo has been mass producing them on the Moon.

>Taking the spear out might have just resumed the impact.
So why didn't impact Resume once Eva01 was back on Earth?

>they're weary and pissed off after living through the soldier apocalypse for a decade plus
>they therefore don't approach the question of detaining and debriefing Shinji, basically the antichrist
Your stubborn affirmation doesn't make you smart. You are just affirming things that were never shown, and everything that happens in the movie could have been avoided if it wasn't because they were acting like unidimensional characters.

Because Shinji is out of the Eva

>I doubt they were just being sitting ducks those 14 years.
Nah they mention multiple times how this was Wunders first flight

So?
They were able to get the Evas into space before Wunder was flying so how would that be relevant?

Shinji must be worse than x1000 Hitlers or else Asuka and Kaworu were wrong and that's just not possible. They're too popular

>affirming things that were never shown
Holy Jesus, I'm sorry. I thought you were just saying the writing is unconvincing, but you're actually as intelligent as a five-year-old and need anything and everything spelled out for you.
>they were acting like unidimensional characters
I'd call them believably flawed, and I have no idea what to tell you if you think Misato was one-dimensional.

Mate, Shinji feeling bad leads to bad things happening and he doesn't need to be inside a eva for his misery to fuck everyone in the ass, treating him like how they did was like asking a crazy man with a gun if he dares to shoot them.

Has anyone seen that episode of Futurama where Fry keeps describing the inhuman filth and horror of the wasteland he escaped from and Bender and Leela are just like, "Yep, that's New Jersey" and he just doesn't get it?
Reading anons endlessly sperg about how "B-But Wille should have been PATIENT and TALKED to Shinji!!!1!" is a little like that.

>03
>tfw the previous 2 Shinji were true monsters
also, what means BM?

Because Shinji doesn't sell and that's the worst sin an anime character can commit

Brainless Manlet, obviously.

Ok but how the fuck is he alive again

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>which she didn't know would happen

Neither did Shinji, you fucking mong.

It's because Shinji has the soul of the Adam who turned to Eva 01 inside him, because in fact he is not the true son of Gendo but a clone of him, he is an experience pretty much like Rei.

This is the Rebuild lore.

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>Yep, that's New Jersey
Los Angeles.

You're absolutely right, but to jap's terminally shit taste and normalfags utter inability to understand anything about him deeper than "Stop being a little bitch, get in the robot shinji!XD" he's not popular, meaning that he will forever be portrayed as being in the wrong

Whoops, my bad.

Also the Eva cast and staff openly hate Shinji.

>implying you can kill the gay

>they should have just set themselves on fire from the word go
This is what you're saying.

Source on him being a clone?

Seriously tho
Why not just explain shinji shit?

Asuka = Anno's waifu / Most popular girl
Kaworu = Anno's husbando / Most popular boy

Shinji doesn't sell so he'll be killed off

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>Explode shinji neck bomb at the start
>Nerv loses

Misato did fuck up

That too.
I'll never understand why shinji get's such a bad rep. I can understand not loving him or being apathetic to him, but I'm not sure why a good deal of people hate or are annoyed by him

Shinji is anno favorite punching bag.
Like the guy is trying to make shinji the most unlikable fuck ever

Because the brat was an autist with breakdowns or shit-fits whenever things didnt go his way and the only fucking time he should have just crawled into his depressed pathetic hole he instead caused the extermination of a good chunk of humanity?

then he is failure writer
I really like shinji

This is a theory but isn't it obvious?
He awakened Eva 01 by his own will and practiced a forbidden union with Rei (Lilith), this is why he is dangerous for him to pilot Eva 01,he his literally the same Adam inside his own body.
In the Rebuild lore, the most powerful Evas are the fourth Adams transformed, and the others are clone of Lilith.

Shinji and Rei are two experiments.
>Rei is a clone of Yui, an angel hybrid with Lilith soul.
>Shinji is a clone of Gendo, he his pure human but has the soul of one Adam.
>Asuka is not a clone but probably an experience of hybridation with angels.
>Kaworu could be a clone and a hybrid, with the soul of another Adam.
>Mari is the same kind of experiment than Asuka, except she's older.

Notice how the Rebuild lore is focused on romance between Shinji and Rei, keeping it an incestuous relationship could be inappropriate.

I'm sorry a dumb teenager isn't mentally capable of participating in kaiju fights to the death while everyone around him is busy being retarded.

>the only fucking time he should have just crawled into his depressed pathetic hole he instead caused the extermination of a good chunk of humanity?
Are you fucking retarded?
In NGE, shinji is in no way responsible for the 3rd impact, and indeed actually gives mankind a way to come back from it, something nobody else was going to do.
And in rebuilds, ignoring the fact that it's still debated what the hell happened in NTI, neither he nor anyone else outside of SEELE and Gendo knew that it would have happened, meaning the criticism comes down to "shinji didn't know everything, that makes him bad"

With exception of a few horror breakdowns in the original eva, most of shinji breakdowns were unrelated to actually fighting in evas

Doubts about self-worth and desperate need of attention were the most predominant issued.
When he piloted the EVA, he did to try to solve both of those issues, the battles themselves left little long term impact

Yeah well, there's little evidence except the eva pilot curse thing.
Maybe they are all genetically engineered or something.
Or maybe synching with the evas fuck them up.
It is now canon that they're no longer human, but I don't see a reason to believe Shinji has been a clone from the beginning.

In the Rebuild lore reminder that Gendo created another Rei who was not soulless like Rei Q but has actually the soul of one Adam.

It's the purple eyes Rei we see with the Genki outfit and it explains why Lilith's corpse is headless.
No idea if that Rei was following an agenda or was attempting to rebel.

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I personally believe the rebuild movies are Anno's way to take revenge against the nerds who made his life hell during NGE's original run.

Not him, but that really doesn't disprove what he said. Shinji's situation is already fucked up at the start, having seen his mother die before his very eyes when he way really young and having a dad who abandons him and treats him like shit, only caring about what use him might serve his own plans. That alone would be enough to cause severe trauma in a person, when you add in the fact he's a child soldier on whom the very future of mankind rests, and who had a number of people he was close with be injured or die in front of him, then it's practically a miracle he didn't just kill himself.

>Shinji-like amalgamation of LCL from the core of Unit 01 and has no reason to treat him as a human being
You seem to know what "being a human is" though. That's impossible in that type of world. You just end up with the same dilemma as the ghost in the shell dilemma.

Which angel fight do you wish was adapted into the Rebuilds?
For me, it's Leliel or Arismael

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If you watch the first Rebuild movie, you see an interesting scene where Gendo is talking with Fuyutsuki about Shinji and Rei's destinies, Gendo said the behavior of Shinji was already planned 15 years before.

It's very strange because he talk about them like if they were artificial objects with predictable reactions all according to the plan, that scene is not on the original NGE.

Another evidence is that on the Rebuild lore, Gendo is called Gendo Ikari and Yui is now Yui Ayanami.
Why this difference exactly?

Why the fuck would shinji act like a normal adult after seeing the shit he's seen and after dealing with the shit he was dealt. At this stage, Shinji is doomguy because the rest of humanity has lost the plot. Who could you trust in such an environment?

Everyone complaining about Shinji as the only responsible or not ... but you know what's fun?

This is a fact, just arrived at the Nerv no one told Shini what really was the Eva 01. They only tell him, "get in the fucking robot Shinji !" and this is fine, except for the fact that Ritsuko knew very well that the Evangelion was a semi-divine machine with incalculable powers.

But nobody ever bothered to explain that to Shinji. So why shouldn't Shinji go into Ryoma / Koji mode when his waifu is in danger? He didn't trigger the third impact consciously, he didn't even know what the third-impact is.

But Ritsuko knew all these things. So the real question is ... who's really responsible for this mess? The pilot which is deliberately left in the dark of everything, because he only serves to active a robot that in 70% of the cases will fight on its own or... the team of "responsable" adults with their secret agenda and plan, convinced of being super geniuses when in reality are literally pic related, with the dynamite bursting in his face? it is not even a metaphor, since it is precisely what happens.

Misato and Ristuko simply used Shinji as a scapegoat, because if people knew the real extent of their responsibilities, and the Nerv itself, no one would accept Misato as Leader, and at that moment there was the human race at stake. After 14 years, it is very probable that Misato herself, out of guilt maybe, has begun to believe her own bullshit. After all, when you feed hatred for 14 years, you may lose sight of reality.

I'm just trying to rationalize what happened in 3.0, obviously all this is just an excuse for Anno to give Shinji some great main fuck and bring him to despair.

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This knowledge in the viewer's privilege. Characters in the show are not privy to it.

Cogito ergo sum is the only valid way of perceiving yourself if you don't want to waste time on pointless navel gazing. Everything else is a spook.

This. 3.0 was really strange because of this in an eva sense. Most of the time you get annoyed with shinji's actions in the series and in the first two films. In 3.0, I actually sympathised with Shinji far more than ever before, mainly because the world is so alien.
It's like Mad Max in a way. Dude does deplorable shit, but you can't really blame him for doing so in that environment.

Another clone.

How so? No Shinji, no more Impacts.

I like to mixes this with the Shinji clone theory.
Because on this case Shinji was not only a clone with a non-human soul on the first place, but the Shinji we see is a third iterations of him taken out from Eva 01, it mean that his only identity is unironically the non-human Adam soul, he his pretty much exactly like Rei and he is not even aware of it.

Wow, incels self inserting as Shinji in this thread sure would like for the world to bend to their whims with no consequences.

Shinji would not have gone into the machine if Ritsuko had told him the truth though. They were desperate.

They've always been Gendo Ikari and Yui Ayanami tho???

What terrible bait.
It almost glows.

No dumbass, Ikari was Yui's maiden name.

You'll just trigger shit that shouldn't be triggered by killing him, and it's not like the crazy people behind this don't have alternatives. And that's all assuming the little shit is actually killable.

No dude.
In the original NGE Gendo's original surname is Gendo rokubungi and Yui is Yui Ikari, Gendo just adopted the surname of his wife, re-watch episode 21.

That's why that change is strange actually.

in NGE, Yui's surname is Ikari and before they married, Gendo's surname was Rokobungi

>this whole thread

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in that situation you can play that fucking card. it was fucking retarded not explaining what happened in the past 14 years.
it not having trouble to communicate. it was being a bitch for the sake of being a bitch

>They don't know that. All they know is that Shinji has the capacity to end the world.

Fuck, can't believe I missed that.

Cant wait for the kawoshin kiss scene leak.

I'm glad they finally gave Anno a shot with Ultraman. If it's at least half as good as Shin Godzilla I'll be happy.

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Another connection with the Rebuild lore?

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Everytime you think "oh anno is just throwing shit on a wall", an user picks up on a new odd detail which proves how much anno thought this out.

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What are you talking about? Killing the gay is extremely easy, in fact killing the gay is what happens about 90% of the time a gay is involved. And it will happen again, you'll see.

Can't wait for Asuka and Kaworu to get married

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You're not really killing him if he keeps coming back every time.

The gay is Shinji, Kaworu is straight.

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>an angel and the red character (that represents sin)
Interesting.

>Gendo is called Gendo Ikari and Yui is now Yui Ayanami.
Which only makes it more obvious that Rei and Shinji are brother and sister. Your incest avoiding theory doesn't hold up in here.

>It's very strange because he talk about them like if they were artificial objects with predictable reactions all according to the plan, that scene is not on the original NGE.
That's because Rebuilds have less screen time to establish the lore. A lot of the stuff merely implied in Eva TV is being spelled out to the audience in Rebuild. And it's still the same as in Eva TV. Shinji's actions were planned from the moment Yui merged with Eva 01, Yui did actually plan for Shinji to see it.

Real men don't really act like Kowaru as he's an alien.

>You'll just trigger shit that shouldn't be triggered by killing him,
Evidence? Precedent?

>he keeps coming back every time.
Only to die again. The story is not over yet, and just as Kaworu was perma kill in the original, so he will be in Rebuild.

>Kaworu was perma kill in the original
Lol

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Bruh, Kaworu is a cockroach, you can blow him up all you want but he'll just keep coming back.

They are "brother and sister" the same way Yui take the cloned egg cell made with Gendo's DNA inside her belly and make the child grow up inside her with an Adam soul.

I think here we have the evil couple of mad scientists practicing experiences with their own genes against the Ayy Lmao mutants who are the same as them but believe they are related.
Really Shinji being a clone and realizing Gendo is not his real father, the fact that he is actually fatherless could explains a lot of things on this lore, Gendo will probably be killed on the last movie, so with that excuse this is perfect to kill him with not any remorses.

They were about to explain him stuff, then Mark.09 came in and ruined everything.

Because rebuild 3.0 was fucking crap. Except Kaoru acting.

I hope Anno does something that makes everyone mad

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This was not created by Gendou, whatever this group of rei were, they were Seele´s children like Kaworu and they are the same that appear later in the preview meeting with Kaworu(this was confirmed by the storyboard of the preview which had the shot be from another angle and described the five shapes in that shot as Kaworu, three Reis no more the 8 years old and one Rei 14 years old.

In Q´s storyboard theres a deleted commentary by Fuyutsuki where he identifies the Rei that pilots Mark 09 as the sixth prototype in the Ayanami series and as it only works following Seele´s program(!?) and it doesnt have Yui´s information inside, Gendou does not care about her.

Theres no evidence so far that Gendou wants to do anyhing with the Seele Children more than destroy them, as he managed to do with Kaworu, and probably expected to happen to the rei inside Mark 09, but she espaced from Mrk 09 thanks to her questioning of her programming, which neither Gendou or Seele must have considered.

based, only retards can't get it

Kaworu is a liar who tells half truths about the events prior to 3.0
I don't know what type of plan Kaworu had with longinus and cassius spears, but it would have not been something that would have benefited humanity. For example, if Kaworu wanted to save the world, why is he still working with Seele and not Wille?
Also, He says that they brought Mk. 09 to central dogma as a support to look out for any signs of Wille, doesn't sound like someone who is willing to work with the good guys.

Have you some link for those storyboards?
Also on the new teaser about the last movie, there is a shot where Rei Q is captured with Fuyutsuki watching her.

My point was basically that at least one of this Rei has an Adam soul and merged with Lilith and the 12th Angel but it was stopped, Eva Mk06 was involved and the Giant Naked Rei was decapitated.

It can't be Rei from the two first movie because she's still trapped inside Eva 01.

Look at char design. It's pure fanservice shit for cashgrab.

>this much effort
fucking newfags put too much effort into trying to be low-effort. faggots.

Kaworu was technically working with Seele in the Anime too, and he got used by them just as he did here.
And you really think WILLE would work with an angel? Kaworu even said the DSS choker was originally made for him, because humans are afraid of him.

Kaworu said NERV is planning on using the spears for instrumentality, and that Shinji and him should take those spears for themselves - literally, Kaworu wanted to go against whatever NERV/SEELE were planning.

On the Rebuild lore is Kaworu a vessel for one Adam or actually the angel called Tabris like in the manga?

Kaworu says he's the first angel, so we can assume he's still Adam like he was in NGE/Manga.
But there's apparently multiple adams now so I have no idea.

3.0 is more of an abstraction than most of the franchise, bar the very-obviously abstract inner dream/nightmare sequences.
It is less about representation of expected "human-like anime character" behavior, as NGE and 1.0 were.
2.0 needed to be the transition from representation to abstraction.

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why didn't Asuka kill Shinji at the end?
if anything, she was less mad than at the beginning of the movie.

She is only incompetent.

If the contaiment pillars can revert core matter, maybe you can do the same with spear that we knoow that contain angels and shit, and even if he neede an Eva and shit, yeah Kaworu was a dumbass who got fooled because he wanted Shinji to redeem himself so he could be happy, and probably obscured some truths for the same reason, I mean, he could have tld him about Rei instead of Fuyutsuki but no, thats not neccesary right?

Maybe is like Kaworu used to say and he and Gendou are alike, so they dont have problems obscuring that stuff if it gets in the way of what they want, Its somewhat hinted that Gendou deep down wants the best outcome for Shinji despite making it hard as fuck because he is an introverted nut who feels it will be easier this way, like in the original series.

I finally watched all of Evangelion over the past few days, and I've gotta say--what the fuck?

Cringe

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Plot convenience

rokobunga, dude

shinji needs to be inside his mom to trigger the damn impact

Shinji is an ugly tranny, my boy Kaworu would never go for him.

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Because Asuka is tsundere.

We dot know which Rei is there with Fuyu, but it could be the same Rei that was in head quarters yeah.

Its very difficult to know what happenned in third impact, yes Its possible that something happenned with the reis and the 12th Angel since it looks like all that was part of Seele´s plans BUT, I dont know about the soul stuff, and considering we have Mark 06, Unit 01(which has Rei´s soul) and the 12th Angel, and somehow we get lots of Unit 01 clones(these are the infinity, and the tell is in the chest piece as they are headless) Its very difficult to tell who did what and through what means.

>The Rebuild ending is like EoE ending but with only Rei and Shinji on a frozen earth who will repopulate it with half-Lilim half-Adamites mongrels, doing a complete fusion of seed of life and seed of knowledge with that superior race.

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that picture is perfect for an "Hideaki Anno Professional Shitposter and Waifufag" macro image

*snap*

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Anno will never let an Rei X Shinji ending dumbass.
if if turns out to be the shittest of writtings in all of mankind just to be an ShinjixRei ending. that would make Anno shoot otaku on the streets my boy

I was refering to EoE as well. That thing is about to die you know.

Pretty sure EoE implied Kaworu and Rei were gone for good.

Nigga, it shows Rei and Kaworu able to move across space and time.
Lilith and Adam will never die, they're immortal gods.

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>Pretty sure EoE implied Kaworu and Rei were gone for good.
Not even close. It implied Rei turned into a time traveling being. And Kaworu's body merged with Rei. Though who knows if he is a consciousness within Rei or is simply inside instrumentality.

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Good

>Rei and Kaworu able to move across space and time.
Only Rei and only briefly in spirit. They are both dead and gone by the end of EoE. That was the whole point of both characters. Adam decided to off himself for humanity and Lillith wanted nothing more than sweet embrace of death. In EoE both their wishes are granted. Shinji doesn't have his guides anymore and he emerges into reality where he has to survive on his own.
You missed the whole point of both characters and their deaths.

>Rei turned into a time traveling
>tfw there are people who really believe this

>shows up in EoE in exactly the same way she showed up in episode 1
How else would you explain it tard?

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Rei is corporally absent from reality, she is akin to a ghost. Kaworu is nowhere to be seen outside of Instrumentality. Possibly he was only able to communicate with Shinji thanks to being merged with Lilith, but since Lilith is dead, so is he.

Rei is Lilith.

>Only Rei and only briefly in spirit.
She's shown in space in front of Yui, going all the way to the first episode of the Anime, to everyone who died at NERV, and in front of Shinji at the end of the movie after her body has died.
Kaworu is able to do the same when he confronts Gendo earlier in the movie.

Adam and Lilith are both beings that cannot truly die.

Time does not exist in spirit realm. Rei is a disembodied spirit so she's able to appear at any point in time. Not exactly time travel in a classical sense.

Nobody can truly die in NGE because all the characters have immortal souls. But being a ghost without a body is how we understand being dead in our world.

What the fuck is the spirit realm? That is not something that have been explained to exist in Eva.

Kaworu has nothing to do with the souls of Lilith's children so he doesn't appear in front of anybody who's dying except of gendo because he used to be merged with him for a while.

No?
Misato, Ritsuko, and Gendo are clearly dead.
Kaworu and Rei are in an omnipresent state of existence.

Rebuild might confirm that Kaworu looped from NGE.

Behind the Door of Guf or whatever it's called, it's where NGE souls chill after death.

When was this established?

>Misato, Ritsuko, and Gendo are clearly dead.
Wrong. They see Rei right before they die and it's canon information that she's there to collect their souls. That's why Misato can be seen within Instrumentality and can also return. This only pertains those who died shortly before the 3I so for example it doesn't include Kaiji.

Soulology and spirituality are part of empirical study in Eva because the existence of souls is a scientific fact within the universe. Did you miss what was Fuyutsuki's specialization? He was studying souls from a biological standpoint.

Him showing up in front of Gendo just shows he's able to be omnipresent as Rei.
The point is both Kaworu/Adam and Rei/Lilith exist in some sense at the end of EoE, they never really died.

I don't know, user
you should ask Anno, not me

Yes, they exist in instrumentality - which is the same as being dead according to Shinji.
They're not alive in the same sense that Shinji and Asuka are, and to a different extent Rei and possibly Yui/Kaworu are.

Nobody ever truly dies in Eva. But they are effectively dead for the living nonetheless. Why do you think Shinji has a farewell scene with them with the whole "we're in your heart" spiel? They are parting ways forever, or at the very least until his death.

>They see Rei right before they die and it's canon information that she's there to collect their souls
Gendo doesn't, he simply dies.
>Soulology and spirituality are part of empirical study in Eva because the existence of souls is a scientific fact within the universe
But were is it established that souls go anywhere after death?

Imagine having this much of a fucking persecution complex over being a Reifag.

Everybody who lived during Instrumentality can return. Rei and Kaworu on the other hand can not. In that sense people within Instrumentality are less dead than the two.

I don't see how that refutes the fact that they exist as immortals just as Yui does.

Rei and Kaworu are not humans, they're Seeds of Life/Gods. They exist as omnipresent beings as we see in EoE, and will continue to exist long after humanity has died out. Same with Yui.

Reitards are delusional creatures with extreme victim complexes. The one you replied to might actually be the same one who tried to get reddit to raid Yea Forums over his waifu obsession.

>Nobody ever truly dies in Eva
It is quite obvious that Gendo simply dies.

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>Gendo doesn't, he simply dies.
Maybe, that's ambiguous.
>But were is it established that souls go anywhere after death?
When people are talking about souls being brought back from behind the door of guf, it implies that's where the souls go. For example in the case of Eva pilots souls of their mothers are being brought back from the other side through technology called "soul salvaging" developed by NERV. It's part of the classified information from Anno's interview for NGE2.

> the same one who tried to get reddit to raid Yea Forums over his waifu obsession
Tell me more

I see that you still doen't understand how death is defined in Eva. He "dies" but his soul lives on, as every other soul in Eva. Provided you interpret this scene as Gendo refusing to go into Instrumentality and giving up living on Earth.

Kaworu has no will to "live" as in, no desire to inhabit a corporal vessel. Him and Rei are both the same in that aspect. They live on but in spirit only while humanity has the opportunity to inhabit corporal vessels during their stay on Earth.

>Get pulled out of a 14 year coma
>Ask if the girl you deliberately tried to save is ok while everyone acts like a frigid cunt to you for no reason
>"brat"

Yes, this is exactly what I've been saying in my posts.
Kaworu says himself his destiny is so live forever.
Both Rei and Kaworu will exist in that state of eternity, long after humanity has died.

>For example in the case of Eva pilots souls of their mothers are being brought back from the other side through technology called "soul salvaging" developed by NERV. It's part of the classified information from Anno's interview for NGE2.
Where exactly? Because I looked and couldn't find any reference to it.

The scene isn't Gendo refusing to go into Instrumentality and giving up living on Earth.
It is Yui punishing Gendo for his treatment of Shinji.

It refutes the separation between "immortal" Seeds and "mortal" humanity, they are both eaually mortal/immortal. Seeds have the ability to traverse the door of guf at will, but they don't have the ability to manifest a body. Rei and Kaworu both had to have been manually placed within bodies to manifest physically.

Pure cringe.
He made an attempt at a falseflag attack and it never took off so he fucked off back to reddi.t.

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>Rei and Kaworu both had to have been manually placed within bodies to manifest physically.
No? They were both originally in their Adam/Lilith bodies until humans messed with Adam during second impact.

Then they would have been just as "dead" as humanity, with no physical manifestation of them to be found. Meanwhile humanity has the opportunity to colonize other worlds and exist forever physically as well as spiritually. It's only a matter of time that humanity becomes similar to FAR, this is what FAR have intended all along.

Not exactly. He turns into LCL and gets into Instrumentality like the other people that were "crushed" by the Rei clones. The implication here is that his wife is still inside or more accurately IS Unit-01 and thanks to her OP AT-field she's outside Instrumentality. As a result Gendo not only failed to reunite with his wife (the reason he did all of this shit) but now they're permanently separated (i.e. his retribution). Thus at the end he realized that all of his efforts were useless and that he shouldn't have been a giant dick to his son.

>He turns into LCL and gets into Instrumentality like the other people that were "crushed" by the Rei clones
No he doesn't. This is the last shot of him. We never see him turn into liquid.

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The point is after their bodies were separated from their souls, those souls were not able to manifest another body freely. Though to be fair they were also bound by the salvaging technology.

Fanwank.
The whole point of Yui is to be the vestige that humanity once existed after humanity DIES.

You don't need a physical manifestation to be alive, Gods are still considered to be 'alive' despite being spiritual beings.

>You don't need a physical manifestation to be alive,
I'm using human definition of death. Things get complicated when stuff like a legitimate afterlife enters into the question.
>Gods are still considered to be 'alive' despite being spiritual beings.
Which gods?
>The whole point of Yui is to be the vestige that humanity once existed after humanity DIES.
She meant that as vestige of human civilization that once existed on Earth IN CASE humanity perishes ON EARTH. But it doesn't need to be that way.
Do you have troubles understanding that humans have the exact same souls as the Seeds? What do you think will happen to those souls when the body dies? Souls of humanity were donated by the FAR, the seeds are the same as humans, they have only been given a different task.

Except the Rebuild continuity is not the same message than classic NGE, so I don't see the problem here, since the beginning it was more focused on Shinji and Rei than everyones else.

Shikinami is not even relevant to the plot actually.

>I'm using human definition of death.
Then we're arguing two different things. Also, I don't even think that's accurate. Death is not perceived universally as the same thing.
See my:
>Gods are still considered to be 'alive' despite being spiritual beings.
example. People who belong to various different religions see their Gods as alive despite not having a physical form. It's the same with Shintoism/Buddhism, which Anno himself believes in by the way.

>But it doesn't need to be that way.
This is just speculation. From what we're shown in EoE/NGE canon it's implied humanity will die out one day and Yui will be the evidence that they once existed.

>Souls of humanity were donated by the FAR
You mean the seeds have the same souls as the FAR.

Asuka was never relevant to the plot even in NGE.

There's a stronger focus on Shinji's relationships with Rei and Kaworu this time around - but I think it's for a plot-related reason (i.e Shinji being a seed like them, not human) rather than shipping reasons.

Of course but the shipping is not only shipping but also symbolic on a god-like plan.
Shinji from the race of Adam will become one with Rei which is Lilith, it already happened at the end of 2.0, but this time just to put balance on earth and allow different life-forms to co-exist or become one.

It's another Adam and Eve thing, enhanced if we admit they are both clones of Yui and Gendo.

In NGE Rei was Lilith and Kaworu was Adam. Eve was the Evas, made of the bodies of Adam/Lilith.

In Rebuild we have no idea. Rei might not be Lilith anymore and although Kaworu states he's the first angel there's also multiple Adams.
Plus Kaworu calls Gendo his father in 2.0, so maybe he's a clone of him this time. We just don't know.

>This is just speculation. From what we're shown in EoE/NGE canon it's implied humanity will die out one day and Yui will be the evidence that they once existed.
It's implied that Earth will one day become uninhabitable, which is true, and in that sense humanity will leave it. But that doesn't predetermine the fate of humanity at all.
>Then we're arguing two different things.
Then tell how do you define death in Eva. What do you think happens to human souls after the body dies in Eva? See pic related? This is how souls are portrayed in EoE. What do you think happens with this flicker of light and where does it go? It has to go somewhere and we even get answer as to where: behind the "door of guf." In EoE we see millions of them constantly floating around GNR and accompanying Rei during her "soul harvest" in NERV.
>example. People who belong to various different religions see their Gods as alive despite not having a physical form. It's the same with Shintoism/Buddhism, which Anno himself believes in by the way.
And those same religions see humans as alive "on the other" side as well. The core idea behind christanity is that death does not exist. Regardless of what Anno may personally believe in, life after death in Eva is established as a fact.
>You mean the seeds have the same souls as the FAR.
No, I mean humans whose pattern is the same as Lilith. It's the same soul only assigned a different task. Could be a form of a "higher soul". Still, humans in Eva do have souls, they don't just cease to exist once their body dies. They just reside in their fictional "heaven."

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>But that doesn't predetermine the fate of humanity at all.
Yui specifically says she wants to be the proof humanity once existed. You can't fanwank that she meant something else.

The rest of your post is all stuff I agree with, so I'm not really sure what you're arguing here.

>humans whose pattern is the same as Lilith. It's the same soul only assigned a different task. Could be a form of a "higher soul". Still, humans in Eva do have souls, they don't just cease to exist once their body dies
Where do you get this from? We don't see it in the show.

>Yui specifically says she wants to be the proof humanity once existed. You can't fanwank that she meant something else.
Whatever You meant isn't end all be all to humanity's fate.
>I'm not really sure what you're arguing here.
I'm not sure what you are.

From NGE2, a video game released 10 years after NGE/EoE.

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Whatever Yui* meant

Where? Because reading Classified Information doesn't give me anything like that.
>wiki.evageeks.org/Classified_Information_(Translation)

Alright.......

I have one question.....................

How the fuck is all this shit gonna get wrapped up in 3.0+1.0?!!?!?!

It isn't.

Reminder Fuyutsuki was also on the scene, maybe Kaworu is a clone of Fuyu?

>How the fuck is all this shit gonna get wrapped up in 3.0+1.0?!!?!?!
Unsatisfyingly

It's the first line on the wiki, the classified information is from nge2 - released 10 years after eoe/nge

I know what it is stupid. I am saying I don’t see the information you claim come from there.

I wasn't that user

Not the guy you've been talking to, but I found it on my own like an hour ago. You might be the most helpless, braindead fucktard I've ever seen on Yea Forums. Figure it the fuck out.

Shinji isn't actually Shinji. The real Shinji is dead from OG Evangelion or the third impact. He's a clone but not a clone in the like of Rei.

I was more bothered about Kaworu casually walking in this apocalyptic crater while telling Shinji all this crazy shit about angels and lillin and him not even questioning for a second that Kaworu may not be a normal human

Why don’t you quote it then, faggot. Because I just reread it and found nothing like it.

Kek, Shinji never pays attention when he's around Kaworu.
Both in NGE and Rebuild he turns into a complete retard who just sits there smiling like a dumb faggot at whatever Kaworu says.

You don't seem to understand the main issue. I watch chinese cartoons to escape reality and Shinji doesn't fulfill my power fantasies.

>dat awkward expression on Shinji's face
At least he's going to erase himself from existence on the next movie for redeeming his sins so Shinji will finally be free of Khara's bullshit

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Then Shinji would be sympathetic and relatable, which nobody defending this mess wants. Even the VAs blame him.

I'm still going to watch 3+1 but angerly.

In case you hadn't noticed most of the NERV crew is incompetent.

If you had any positive feelings toward Ikari Shinji, then you clearly missed the point of NGE.

brainlet opinion, shinji and to a lesser extent asuka are the only two characters who actually do end up living out and demonstrating the point of NGE and EoE

Imagine missing the point of NGE THIS badly.

>Even the VAs blame him.
Normally I'd think it's just the VAs being loyal to the company but in this case I think they're honest on their hatred toward Shinji

It's kinda fucked up Yuko Miyamura's favorite scene in 3.0 is pic related

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Her being angry could make sense if we knew what the fuck happened in those 14 years. All we know is that Karl stopped the impact but we are supposed to eat all this nonsense up without explanation.

In the original, Shinji's thoughts of being hated by others and that he shouldn't be born were treated as products of his own depression. In Rebuild, Shinji is efectively hated by the entire world (the narrative fully support the hate Shinji receives) and he shouldn't be born, the latter might be fixed with an universal retcon at the end. This is animated bullying.

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Do tell then retard, what do you think the point is, if shinji accepting himself in NGE and then accepting being hurt by others in EoE don't demonstrate it?

He deserves to be bullied.

If Shinji left, all humanity would disappear so Willie wouldn't even exist. Fuck Misato and fuck her shitty Nautilus

Woman or spic? Both hate Shinji to irrational levels.

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you do realize how much of a fucking retard you sound like right?

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Why are shinjifags so thinskinned?

>can't actually form a cohesive point, so just tries to deflect.
I'm honestly somewhat interested, what do you think the point of the series is that shinji somehow doesn't end up demonstrating it, be it either in a negative manner (don't be like this guy, being afraid to connect with others, hating himself and running away) or in a positive one (Learn to accept yourself and be open to others, even though they may hurt and reject you)?

shinji is the glue that holds evangelion together, with out him the movies are shit.

3.0 is the ultimate plef filter
youtube.com/watch?v=rHIvs0Q-uKI

Miyamura despises Shinji and wants Asuka to end up with Kaworu

3.0 was shit literally because it focused on Shinji.
If it was a movie about what we saw in the 2.0 preview, with all those characters doing shit while Shinji was in the Eva it would have been great.

The remake movie series sucks.

THIRD CHILD YOU DUMB FUCKS

She can ship whatever she wants. Also I understand LAS/LRS are a guy thing and LAK can be appealing to women but having fun with a child abuse scene is fucked up. Shikinami is 28 while Shinji is mentally 14. Inb4 lel manchild allegory, it's more similar to being in a 14 years old coma but Shinji looks the same, which make it even harder to cope with the idea. So much for Shikinami and the Willie crew being responsable adults

Spics don't really hate eva, people who stopped watching anime with dragon ball z and discovered gundam with wing do.

Those references mean nothing, absolutely nothing.

Not like her relationship with Shinji is as strong as it was in the series, maybe that has something to do with the first two movies being rushed summaries and the third one being barely connected with anything that came before.
I'm not torrenting this shit again, did they even pull Shinji out on purpose or did Unit 1 spit him out as soon as it was safe?

based and evapilled

Before I knew eva was over after 26 episodes and a movie, I thought there would be a second eva series called Neon Exodus Evangelion.

The only enjoyment I got from 3.33 was that it's pretty similar to what I had in mind as Exodus.

Boy they really should have just named 3.33 Neon Exodus. Missed opportunity. 3.33 is so removed from NGE that Neon Exodus Evangelion would have been appropriate as fuck.

see this You are the reason Mari exist

This video should be required view to anyone watching the rebuilds.

Have the VAs ever really had much if any control over the series plot though? I know there's the "how disgusting" thing, but besides that, I'm not aware of their opinions ever really meaning jack shit, though I could have easily missed something

Unknown. He just wakes up in this thing, like the medical coffin in the emergency medical room of the first movie with the hex pillars around Asuka in the second, and Wille starts comparing his dental records and testing his continuity of memory. He could have been pumped out and condensed in here, or placed in here for recovery and examination.

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Anno is getting too powerful
>Rebuild of Eva
>Shin Godzilla
>Shin Ultraman
Just imagine... SHIN NAUSICAÄ

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I mean it would sort of make sense with them being upset if they didn't mean to pull him out, they were just after Unit 1 so they could use it as a generator or some shit. If I was Misato I wouldn't like having my plans to stop my weirdo boss from turning the world to tang interrupted and potentially ruined because one of my greatest mistakes got pooped out of a robot.

Spic here and the spic hate toward Shinji is very real. It's the machismo and maybe mixed with nerdy guys overcompensating their lack of manlyness. Also bullying is not only tolerated by parents and teachers but until certain point encouraged because kids need to become men. And the spic kids who get bullied either kill themselves or become gay hairdressers and trannies. That was their fault for not being man enough. If they don't have sympathy for real kids, even less for fictional kids

God no, I'd start mining bit coins to hire an assasin to kill him, I'd definitely have enough time even if it started production now it wouldn't be close to done until 2045.

>Shin FUCKING Nausicaä
BOI

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>Shin Nausicaä
I literally came.

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Then it wouldn't make sense they didn't shoot him before he was conscious. Or that Misato didn't pull the trigger when he was confirmed by the enemy wanting him to be the most dangerous thing in the world and he left pissy at her. There's more going on than Shinji's impression of being hated.

At the Paris expo a few weeks ago, Megumi Ogata (The seiyuu for Shinji) said Anno gave her a choice of two endings for final and she chose one.

Do the spics prefer Rei or Asuka?
Also what do they think of Kaworu?

He's similarly oblivious in the original series. Kaworu is the one person who's genuinely kind to him so he's blinded to the weird shit he talks about.

Homophobia is still a big thing Latin America. Religious reasons, for example evangelicals played a key rol in electing Bolsonaro. So its mostly taked as a "haha, gay" type of joke.

But there is a dedicated fandom that is not that superficial, Evil Doge being one of the most prominent spic eva youtube channel. I dont think people who gets the series cares about waifus, but people who cares are pretty divided, Rei is most known to not eva fans tho.

Shinji is the audience surrogate in 3.0. Being frustrated that they don't do a fifteen minute lore dump in the middle of the movie makes you empathize with his position of being brought back into this world seemingly 14 years later with zero explanation of what happened.

Shinji in Q is a metaphore for a weeb going outside to the real world after decades of escapism.

>Shoot him
Except then the plot wouldn't move forward, also it wouldn't really makes sense if they kill him because then if Unit 1 doesn't play ball they are fucked. The whole DSS choker thing was just a lazy way to get rid of Carl that they worked backwards to make. I mean you'd think that if the thing leaves signal range it would have a failsafe to just explode right? 3.0 is just bad, Anno never should have come back to the series.

Well congratulations. You made a movie that makes you hate all the characters. Bravo Anno.

I don't think he cares if you hate them. The whole message of 3.0 is "this is what happens when you ignore the message of NGE and try to live in escapism forever", your world warps and becomes something unrecognizable. The fact that you're so upset about what happened to your beloved characters in 3.0 means Anno achieved his goal. Now whether that results in a satisfying, enjoyable film or not, who can say, but again I don't think that's what he cares about at this point.

It should be, that's Asuka's best scene. She arrives panting, settles down seeing Shinji is intact, starts talking bitterly about something more personal to her than the Impact they just had or losing Eva-02, and comes back to annoyedly fret over him like she's dressing a little brother. All she's got to choose from is that, Operation US, the observation room, or snarling about self-determination at Rei.

I don't really care what Anno thinks at this point either. When everything else is sacrificed for a lofty theme that you have already told before you have made a shit movie.

Anno has experienced so much rejection from women it turned into a fetish.

but the movie was kino and your opinion is dumb

Half of the movie was literal faggotry

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That whole bit about Rei.
So is Mogudan doing God's work or the devil's work?

He is married now. I don't know if he has children of not but his classic eva days are gone now.

Not this bullshit again, we get this every thread, fuck off waifufags

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I just finished Evangelion & EoE on Netflix, what’s next for me?

That video is damn good. Wow.
Close this thread already, we're done here.

Asuka was faking being more hostile than she was, she ask Shinji her to save at the start of the movie, and she is irked when mari says the only reason she went to see him was to see his face again. At the end she goes back for him aswell. Misato is just a cunty bitch now though,that ship has sailed

We don't know whether that's real or part of his Instrumentality visions. Unit 01 was nowhere near terminal dogma, so I'm leaning towards the latter.

/thread

>behind the "door of guf"
The Chamber was empty according to Ritsuko at the end of episode 23. If souls simply went there after death it shouldn't be. Hell, there's no reason to believe souls leave the body after death AT ALL in the Eva universe, since no one turns into LCL after death and Rei can collect souls from corpses during 3I.

I can understand the hate for Shinji in regular Evangelion... but there are rilly idiots who think that everything is Shinji's fault in 3.0 when literally everything fucking shit has started way before his arrival ?

he is not gay tho

it's definitely an action in character. I bet if we could read her thoughtsd , that scene would be comical with her angry scenes while she's just glad he's okay.

She brought anti-AT weapons to Terminal Dogma and didn't authorize Mari to use them on Unit 13 until the last second. She doesn't use her own chaingun arm and belt of custom anti-ATF rounds until the 12th Angel comes out, and she had beast-mode in her back pocket that whole time. She still would have lost, but she had stuff she wasn't pulling out while Shinji was pinballing her around with drones and backhanding her.

The rebuilds seem like a giant shitshow. Why do you fags watch them? Is it just for the pleasure of having something to argue about?

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Anno is Gendo and Shinji.

So who did Anno marry, an Asuka or a Rei

>giant shitshow
ya
>something to argue about
ye

Discussing trainwrecks is fun. Remember Guilty Crown? Oh those were the days. Such fun. Would I ever recommend anyone GC to watch? Oh god, no. Dear god why would you ever watch GC

It is a lot more understandable that Misato was cold to Shinji when she realizes that he is one of the four Adams at the end of Rebuild #2. She has a lot of baggage. Remember Kaji's line about how Misato can't face reminders of her past?

Shinji killed her father, dude. The four(plus one, likely) Adams were once one Adam, but something caused Shinji's Giant of Light form to spaz out and kill one of the others, which kickstarted this whole mess.

Did you not see the part in Q where Kaworu pulls out a photograph of baby Shinji in the HUMAN EVOLUTION LAB? The implication is clear. He is the cause of 2I, and it's probably because of Rei(or whatever she was prior to 2I).

That's why Gendo's plan was to deepen their bonds. Shinji is trapped in a cycle. He has a DESTINY. She can't tell him that Rei is trapped inside 01's core, and that they are using it as the engine to power their ship, he'd go nuts and then it would be 3I all over again.

His description of his wife is basically Asuka

We do not know what actually happened in the Second impact, in rebuild at last. We know, more or less, what happened in the regular show, that everything was unleashed because people played with something they didn't have to do, and it's specified that Seele forced the things. The same Seele that we got in Rebuild where they play illuminanti against Gendo for those who have the more retarded hidden agenda.

So, in all this Shinji knows nothing. He does not remember his past, he does not remember how he lost his mother, he knows nothing about himself and knows nothing about the robot on which he is practically forced to use.
They gave a weapon of mass destruction to child, convinced that they could control the that at any time. Surprised!!! Truth is that they have no idea what they are doing at all and those who know it, deliberately want to unleash the disaster.

So, no. It doesn't matter if Shinji is Adam or not. Shinji wouldn't even be there if they didn't get him involved in first place and complaining that everything is his fault is just a way to escape from responsibility. 3.0 is the most spectacular Japanese case of endless buck-passing.

>but Misato is a very flawed woman, it's perfectly logical that she behaves like this.

Right, but Ritsuko had ONE FUCKING JOB in the Nerv, and it was exactly keeping the Eva 01 in check because her, along with Gendo was one of the few who knew what they were using. And she was the head of the scientific team, so the fact that she failed spectacularly is not a problem?

It will never be understandable for Misato to act like the bitch she was in 3.0. He wanted nothing to do with project E, she went out of her way to make sure he stood there when all he wanted was to leave and even told him to go for it mid pseudo-evolution. She was being used? Yeah but she was being used by doing something she WANTED to do, He was being used by doing something he didn't wanted to.

Misato and her crew giving him the Gendo treatment and keeping him in the dark led to the guys in New Nerv to be able to gain his trust much more easily and bend him into doing what they wanted. She alonside her crew were all directly responsible for the 4I and if things keep like this they will be responsible for a 5I with the same outcome or even worse than EoE.

Anyone notice how shinji awakening is way different from kaworu awakening? Both kaworu and shinji absorb Lilith yet only shinji possess the third eyes? Also one of the Adam and evangelion mark 06 also have a third eyes. The IPEA logo shows an evangelion with a third eyes. If I remember correctly, shinji action advance the Dead Sea scroll to the book of law.Gendo also mention that there is an scenario created 14 years ago but it couldn’t be Gendo plan because shinji action followed the plan to the letter and gendo wasn’t sure if the Dead Sea scroll exist in 2.0. Beside that if it was Seele scenario, did they intend on shinji piloting mark 06? Gendo mentioned that all evangelion units are there just for mark 06 to become a true evangelion (shin evangelion can be translate as true evangelion). Consider how rei and shinji fusing caused evangelion 01 to have a third eyes, was mark 06 his Adam body ,and the third eyes Adam is his soul? (There is also a parallel between NGE kaworu and rebuild shinji)

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>kaworu

By the way.
Great job, so far, m8.

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I don’t think they can kill him. There is a theory about DSS choker being hacked by gendo or seele. Notice how rei q can communicate with him ,and rei q seem to know shinji exact location. There is a spy in willie (I think mari is the candidate because she somehow knew there is an eject lever on evangelion 13 and also knew that shinji wasn’t killed when the DSS choker explode)

Basically the DSS choker was hacked by gendo or seele. That means even if Misato did press the button, it wouldn’t do shit. Also it operates as a communicator and a GPS. Also Seele and Gendo aren’t dumb enough for this shit.

>explain what the Eva series are , and what is Yui's fate to Shinji like the fags ITT wanted
>Shinji goes catatonic and refuses to touch the Eva, like ever
>Third impact still happens

Good going guys

>Anno intent for mari is created to kill Eva
> I will come for you wanko
Shinji killed by mari? Speaking of shinji death, until you come to me seem to foreshadow shinji death. I listen to the lyric and it strangely parallels 3.0 and the scenes in the video.

i thought the mark 6 was the big ass lith on the moon in 2.0

why not just kill him

Shinji is already destined to cause impacts (he is in the Dead Sea scroll and a scenario).The poor guy couldn’t avoid it.

well in the new trailer mari is shown wearing the black plug suit

Could anyone explain to me what happens exactly after Shinji tries to save Rei in 2.0?
I was sure that kaworu had stopped in 3rd impact and from the previews we know, that the Seele attacks the Nerv. Apart from the fact that I have not yet understood what happened that, but even so, why should I believe that every thing the characters say or want me to believe are true when it seems obvious that a lot of shit happened Off screen and Anno is a hack?

We don’t know for sure but in one of the second impact scene, there was a spill of blood on the moon which other theorize that one of adam was thrown onto the moon with the blood. Also notice how Evangelion
13 and Mark 06 both turn white and retain their face while Evangelion 1 had Lilith face mask when it was awakened. I guess Evangelion 01 is the Lilith of Eva.

You shouldn’t believe anything the character say in 3.0. For example, Ritsuko said there wasn’t anybody in Eva 01 and yet fuyutsuki said rei and you are in Eva 01. Also Ritsuko mentioned that shinji can’t pilot even though he pilots one of the Adam later on. There is probably another third impact after shinji near third impact which would explain why evangelion mark 06 was on Lilith neck. I think Rei and yui also got out. (Which might explain why shinji was called BM 03 because he is the third one to get out and why Mari seem to know Yui). I guess Rei fused with Lilith

If you dump info like a retard at Fuyutsuki style you will break him no doubt (It was his goal, also does Willie even have info about his mother?), but if you prepare him, warn him and most of all don't give him the Gendo treatment I'm fairly sure that 4th Impact would have been easily avoidable.

Tho the whole Yui and Rei escaping evangelion 01 might be me reaching

my theory is shinji and rei came back or maybe just shinji at some point after 2nd impact was ended, if you look at shinjis feet it says he is bio mass 3 and shinji??? in 3.0. so the shinji in 3.0 cant be the one from 2.0.
judging by devastation from the planet shinji must have started up 3rd impact at some point again out of rage or something to get everyone to hate him. basically we are post end of evangelion at this point
kaworou might be a clone from 2.0 as well

i dont think annos is a hack. i could be worst

Mari did say something about Rei original. Also rebuild mari is different from manga mari. Mari mentioned evangelion 5 was her first time piloting and she can’t be old because she said s something about involving an adult(Kaji) to achieve her goal

was unit 1 originally a body of adam i forget, I just wonder if this is a sequel could awakened unit 1 have crashed on the moon at some point or still floating around in space. I feel like its possible since their were 2 of the same spears on dead lilith in 3.0

Out of nowhere Shinji Chad appeared empowered with divine powers, Super Saiyan, hugging Rei, against virgin Shinji.

The final battle begin.

Of course the 4th impact could be avoided. Just don't be a retard. Easy as that. Misato was the last bastion of the human race, but if she can't go beyond her personal grudges to the point of compromising everything then she should not be in charge at all.

It's said nowhere and implied not to be the case by the sole identifier for an Adams survivor being that they have no AT Field. Lilith's missing the bottom half again, though, and Rebuild adds a huge scar across the torso sutured with a bunch of mini-longinus looking crosses, but it's naked speculation that Unit 01 was made from those parts.

Rei clones with adult rei appeared in the preview for 3 , who knows what we missed. Mari might have been a character

But is that actually Lilith under the geo front. It is wearing an angel style mask. Where in the original series it wore the multi eye mask. We never saw Adam in the original only embryonic form

I don't think it really matters because Lilith wasn't really ever its name anyway and I didn't get the impression of the mask in NGE being any more original to Lilith than the crucifix or the tubes going into its skull. Seele identify themselves with the mask elsewhere, it looked more like they were putting their brand onto what they'd captured.

You best not be dissing the caterpillar

I hope Misato eventually realizes she's now no different from Gendo.

Jokes on you Shinji , i was only pretending.

She's not, though. The contemporary Gendo and the one of 14 years ago does all of his shit to a plan requiring careful, secretive manipulation of Shinji. Misato can only be like the Gendo of 23 years ago that tried to send Shinji away and spare him all of this.

Her reactions can make sense if she know Shinji is not a real human, the problem is not about being a clone or something, the real problem is the possibility he has an Adam soul, that make him non-human on a very subtle way because his blue pattern can't be directly detected and he has hidden powers.

Of course we sympathize with Shinji because the poor boy believed to be normal and he was in fact an experience since the beginning, maybe he has not even real parents if we assume the Gendo clone theory is true.

No. Treat a boy like shit, whether he is or not a human being is absolutely not a justification. First because you don't know that for sure, second, even if it were true, if he don't remember anything then you're just bulling him for your sadistic pleasure, or frustration.

last, but not last, mistreating someone who potentially has a close connection with a divine machine, or worse, he himself may have powers that go beyond logic and reality, is so thoughtless and immature. I would be terrified of Misato's behavior if I was a member of the crew.

It's so unprofessional that it was painful to watch. Yeah i'm also sorry for Shinji, but the whole situation was so forced to the point of being ridiculous.

Just asking Misato, but Why Shinji should choose to stay with you instead of going with a "Rey" after you've treated him like human garbage?

What rebuild films can I skip if I just want to see something original?

1.0 is an exact copy of the first three episodes. 2.0 It's where things start to change a bit. 3.0 is where everything fall into a massive "dude WTF?"

The first.
However is arguably the best one.

Fuyutsuki spends all his screen time objecting to how Gendo's choosing to do things but begrudgingly participating for sake of the ultimate goal. Maybe the only insight into what that goal could be is that Fuyutsuki seems to think Shinji would be into it if they played straight with him instead of all the tricks.

>original
You expect too much.

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>shinji voice actor : Anno called me and let me choose the ending for shinji
Anyone know what shinji voice actor is like? Does she hate shinji just asuka voice actor ?

I wonder what is fuyutsuki goal in rebuild? We all know gendo wouldn’t share Yui with him

But will he star in it I wonder?

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based and redpilled
literally finished 3.0 an hour ago i sympathized with shinji through all of it

Maybe Misato is afraid to tell him the truth because he will turn to be batshit insane and will try to kill everyones?
Maybe she already did that to two formers Shinji before him and this times everyones is cold to avoid any havoc provoked by his powers.

Because you know, if the kid realize all of his life is a lie, then nothing will make sense for him anymore and maybe some shitty ancient lovecraftian power will be activated and he will turn to some edgelord who will try to merges with Eva 01 to return on his original body, being in total control of it and start the impact again, considering lilims like subhumans.

Shinji should die. He ruined 3.0.

Any reasonable person suspects that Shinji is punished here just for fact of being Shinji, and this is no fun.

>but he's a fucking monster in a boy body!!!!

Still no fun.

We don't even know that's still Gendo's goal, or if Gendo still came up with his while denying to himself what Yui was really doing, or if he and Yui weren't co-conspirators this time.

She's historically sympathetic and protective towards Shinji, but also a huge shill, and she'll go along with whatever manipulative sentimentality Anno wants to put on Eva.

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i just want the series to wrap up and be fucking satisfying already i opened a fucking wound watching this dreadful depressing mess
its not even fun anymore its like beating a dead corpse for fun its just sad and disgusting what they keep doing to shinji give him some joy pls ffs
no everyone who hurt shinji ruined it
kaworu was based

>kaworu
>the one who hurt Shinji the most by manipulating him
neck bomb was based

Toji a cute.

god kaworu was based
he even tried to give him hope even when he died by saying they would meet again
what an absolute lad literally all of shinjis depression could be dealt with if people around him cared in the slightest
daily reminder fuck asuka and misato

>Maybe Misato is afraid to tell him the truth because he will turn to be batshit insane and will try to kill everyones?

And instead treat him like a monster, it's something healthy? Sorry, but I can't see the logic here.

>Maybe she already did that to two formers Shinji

Here we are entering into fanfic zone here and I really don't think it can be used as a justification.

>Because you know, if the kid realize all of his life is a lie, then nothing will make sense for him anymore and maybe some shitty ancient lovecraftian power will be activated and he will turn to some edgelord who will try to merges with Eva 01 to return on his original body, being in total control of it and start the impact again, considering lilims like subhumans.

A bomb must be disarmed with caution and attention. Not hammering it. it's like when you have to deal with a potential terrorist with a hostage or a fucking bomb. The strategy is to keep him calm for the most, not to make him angry. Very low tier psychology

Kaworu is a huge fag GROSS

i hate fags but in shinjis situation he literally deserves a pass ffs the entire world is in shambles and no one even shows kindness let alone has basic manners or thoughts the only person who does is gay
i hate fags but shinji 100% deserves the fag pass on this one

It's describable as manipulating Shinji, but that's underemphasizing the lying about how near-Third Impact ended, near-Third and Third being the same thing, Seele existing, Seele's pre-existent plan for a Third Impact that went wrong, the speech about how extinctions are really cool but fucked up by the Lilin need to adapt their environment, and insisting to Shinji that Shinji only really likes stars for how alone and dead they are. About 40 minutes of the movie is Shinji getting gaslit.

>no Rebuild Israfel

I know it was essentially a filler angel as that episode was mostly about Shinji/Asuka's development, but I still liked it

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is that Mari on the picture?

Shikinami sucked ass anyway, it's Rei's turn to be shipped.

agreed rei is the best option ffs asuka is garbage tier and misato is a disgusting freak rei should have a better story with shinji

Rebuild 3.33 is shit
Shinji was awfully so out of character when he didnt stop retrieving the spears after kaworu told him to. No sense at all, he took his word for what would happen if they had both spears and then he ignores him? What a fucking hack.

Which is a shame since in 2.0 she clearly had issues with how she talked with her doll (which was ironic considering Soryu hated dolls) and she had the loneliness issue as well consedering how she went to sleep with Shinji but this time was fully awake and even talked to him, but 3.0 just turned her into a sort of catgirl suffering from the hulk syndrome.

>and maybe some shitty ancient lovecraftian power will be activated

imagine that newly awakened Shinji has reached a higher level of awareness. He knows everything that has happened over the past 14 years, he can control Eve 1 with thought and he has mental powers worthy of Babel. And he's manly as fuck.

how much terrified Misato would be?
How much wet Asuka would be?

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I think Shinji going for the spears nonstop made some sense, Kaworu told him the spears was the only way to fix the world and he was so desperate to make it right he put all his faith in it, remember he was completely broken before it considering how he (apparently) was responsible for the end of the world to save Rei and didn't even managed it. He's still a kid after all.

I have an issue is with all other characters that were going full retard and pushed him into doing it when they wanted the opposite.

>Maybe Misato is afraid to tell him the truth because he will turn to be batshit insane and will try to kill everyones?

Is he going to use his secret Hulk powers to do this? Is he going to shoot lasers out of his eyes and cut Unit-01 out of the ship and use that to go on a rampage. Shinji can't do jack shit outside of an Eva. And what is the one single concrete thing Willie says to him?

Don't pilot Eva.

Who wouldn't want to be abused by Asuka, though

Shinji will definitely die. He has to redeem his sins and all that crap Japan, fujos and waifufags eat (see this thread). It's not like anyone is going to miss him, except by a small and vocal minority of evafags

There is nothing based about being SEELE and Gendo's puppet and fall guy.

>"Shinji you are a clone of your daddy, but the most important thing here is that you have the soul of Adam, the one who bring second impact with his buddies from the moon and killed my dad, please stay calm and don't activate your AT Field!"
>"AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH" *mental breakdown*
>Shinji activate his angel AT Field, pattern blue detected, he start to fly and Eva 01 start to move because controlled by him.
>Shinji start to merges with his original Angel body, being totally aware of his powers.
>Lilith soul is inside, the God-mode is activated and the impact continue.
>Meanwhile on a meta level out of reality, Shinji is having cosmic sex with Rei during the destruction of humanity, symbolizing the union of seeds.

I think the two first Shinji taken out from the Eva tried some shit like that.

>premium gacha
FUCK YOU JEW

The main difference between the tsundere and the shoujo jerk is that the tsundere can't never really hurt MC, either emotionally or physically, because the violence is played by laughs and even when she has superpowers, she always end crawling back to the kitchen. Meanwhile the shoujo jerk can hurt the FeMC and he often does. The tsundere is a toothless puppy. At least on NGE, Asuka wasn't a toothless puppy. Shinji got hurt plenty of times for being around her and she made him feel insecure. Inb4 cause he's a pussy XD, I think the idea was showing a little more realistic view on that situation. The tsundere plays on the otaku fear toward women and how nice would be if women were harmless creatures that deep down want otaku's cock

It's very obvious we're supposed to sympathize with Willie and see Shinji as a selfish brat, the characters literally say it to the screen multiple times, so nope. The MCU has made people to become passive, they consume as they're told and don't question and that's a good thing

If there's anybody who is based it's got to be Toji because even though the entire world hates Shinji, his sister does not. Which only proves Toji really did stand up for Shinji just as he promised, and even though he had entire world against him, Toji must have defended him and still gave a good enough picture of Shinji to Sakura to make her stand out in the crowd of haters.
Plus Toji never manipulated Shinji into acting on behalf of any world ending agenda. Best bro, hands down.

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Tôji is a giant red eva now so it doesn't matter.

So did Komm Susser Tod, Shinji's always longing for death in the last act and walks it back so some justification can be made about being like him and not embracing the void. He'll be in a position of some kind of power, likely back in EVA-01, so he can be tempted by what Gendo and Fuyutsuki are doing, side with humanity, and leave Wille and a couple hundred people to push back the L-field and rebuild civilization. He'll disappear into the wasteland, Asuka and a Rei will disappear leaving a note for Mari to read and comment on how dishonest the princess is. Mari, Wille crew, continuing threat of nemesis evas, and a door left open for guest appearances by old characters will be left for a possible future series with seiyuu who won't be in their 60s that Anno can turn over to someone else but never do it.

No, it isn't obvious at all. We see the entire movie from Shinji's perspective and it is quite obvious that we are meant to be as confused as Shinji is about why every one is so different and mean.
Nothing in the movie even tries to make Willie sympathetic.

I believe Fuyutsuki will betray Gendo, he never liked him and he's pretending to follow his plan but know something Gendo doesn't know.
Maybe he will help Shinji and Rei.

It could be that Fuyutsuki is following a plan laid out by Yui. He was the only one that knew Yui would sacrifice herself in NGE.

>another fucking casual
Toji is alive and well confirmed by Khara. Kensuke and Hikari are as well. Shinji will 100% meet them in 4.0.

>putting this much faith in a character sheet

Pretty sure he's trolling when he say that willie are supposed to be the sympathetic ones.

He literally is tho

The fact that people actually think this video is good is quite sad.
He barely even knows anything about Eva, based solely on what he says in that video.

More substantial info than your pure speculation.

>casual
>after watching all anime material
In my time we called people like you virgins.

Eva 3.0 is at its core a moral fable, Shinji has to grow up and take responsability from his failures. The problem is if Willie screwed up the entire situation by bullying a kid, and even worse when he did nothing wrong and among the bullies were people directly responsable for all this shit, then the entire narrative fall apart. Also the characters are always blaming Shinji, including Anno's husbando Kaworu.

Merely watching the material is the most basic level engagement. It would literally only take follwing the studio twitter to get the bonus info. You'd be in fact less than casual by today's standards.

>Eva 3.0 is at its core a moral fable, Shinji has to grow up and take responsability from his failures.
I've seen this before, but I don't think it is the point of 3.33. Shinji tries to take responsibility and nearly fucks everything up again.
>Also the characters are always blaming Shinji, including Anno's husbando Kaworu.
Except just before Kaworu dies he says it wasn't Shinji's fault.

Kaworu didn't say it wasn't Shinji's fault. He said any mistake can be repaid. And then the preview after the credits say Shinji will redeem his sins

>Rebuild thread about to hit bump limit
I'm not sure how to feel about this

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>shinji dies
>best mom immedeatly goes god mod and kill mary and humanity
honestly i just want to see shin gojira 2 instead of this burning trash

Anno just wants to do a spinoff around his husbando Kaworu and waifu Asuka

He doesn't give a shit about Shinji or Rei

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She's imitating Gendo to make him do another impact.

I just realized you also used the word "based". Let me guess, redditor who got expelled for being a sperg? Perhaps is just autism? Stop hitting the keyboard so much.

>you can always repay for your mistake Shinji
Sure sounds soothing and not condemning Shinji to paying for crimes he still thinks are Shinji's alone.

Ironic post.

He says
>It's not your fault

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Ironic is being here when you belong somewhere else friendo. No upvotes here buddy.

I think Anno is the only one working on Eva that actually cares about Shinji.

Don't be so paranoid amigo. Chill out.

He doesn't care about Shinji, not anymore.

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Do glasses work that well, when you're submersed in some mystical life jizz with the consistency of treacle which is gonna get all over the lenses?

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Anno doesn't draw these.
If he didn't care about Shinji, he wouldn't have made 3.33 like he did.

We need another Rebuild series calling out the otaku obsession over Kaworu.

The biggest missed opportunity in Eva was Kaworu not reaming Shinji's boipucci, though

To you.

To all people with taste

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The saddest bangs.

Anno is the founder of Khara, he seems pretty fine with Shinji being in the very back or nonexistent in every Khara promo/advertisement.

>he wouldn't have made 3.33 like he did.
By having everyone in the movie hate him and claim he's worse than 4000 hitlers?

Anno has been a humongous Kaworufag since '96, it'll never happen. Kaworu is also his wife's favorite Eva character.

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We literally got that in eoe.

*bad taste

>Anno is the founder of Khara, he seems pretty fine with Shinji being in the very back or nonexistent in every Khara promo/advertisement.
Because he is not an autist that micromanages the advertisement. He also probably knows Shinji isn't the most popular.
>By having everyone in the movie hate him and claim he's worse than 4000 hitlers?
Remember that Shinji is Anno. And that the movie is ultimately sympathetic towards him.

>Anno has been a humongous Kaworufag since '96, it'll never happen. Kaworu is also his wife's favorite Eva character.
So basic.

>shin
I thought he said he wanted to do a faithful TV adaptation for the manga

>And that the movie is ultimately sympathetic towards him.
Perhaps to you, but it only fueled hate towards Shinji ten fold for the common folk.

Common folk already hated Shinji, that is nothing new.
But I honestly see more hate towards Misato in 3.33 than towards Shinji, so I don't know where you are looking.

The confirmed Adams-based evas all have 01-inspired design cues that the rest of the evas don't; so at the very least you're meant to interpret 01 as being associated with them.

I dont know if its you or someone else who dared to tell me that I had to check some chart made by Khara but that really made me feel some kind of anger that I havent feel in a long time but then it got to me that maybe, just maybe, I may have the chance to meet that person in the future, that thought filled me with joy, cant really wait for him to show me his charts and the twitter accounts he follows, I will show him some stuff too, I will do some stuff to him too. Cant wait for that moment, expect me new friendo ;)

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That was already this series. He's put in the stinger for two movies, teasing like "Look! He's doing more stuff and he'll be more important this time!", then he's still preaching for death, he's more manipulative than ever, misunderstands the plot again and dies, and him dying didn't stop the thing.

>And that the movie is ultimately sympathetic towards him.
By making Shinji fuck up in the most rage inducing way possible? He's not even a victim of circumstance in this case. His mistake was completely avoidable if he had only listened to the faggot.

That's how friends are made.

Shinji does bad stuff in the original as well. But he is still sympathetic there.
He is actually more likable in the Rebuilds because he is more proactive.