So, uh, was End of Eva Shinji's 'bad ending'? Just tell me

Yes that's a good way to put it. Not the user you replied to btw.

Another cool thing is at the end, Shinji is actively initiating and looking for 'rejection' when the whole show he was instead running away and hiding from it.
Asuka, on the other hand, spent the whole show with a mask on pretending to be self sufficient and mature, never admitting that she desperately wanted another person to rely on or be with her until EP22 and specifically EP25. And in EoE, instead of pushing others away to that end, she lovingly caresses Shinji in a show of acceptance and honesty.

They both break their coping methods on the beach showing progress and hope for the future as individuals and friends, but still leaving in the bittersweet fact that it will be difficult and full of pain on their road to happiness.

it is the same events, but Shinji is a very different character. Which is why he makes a different choice, in the end.

Unfortunately reality has largely ended so i can't take that literally

Yui is such a cunt.

Literally everything is her fault.

Thanks for reading through my phone's terrible autocrrect

I agree desu

What different choice? He rejects Instrumentality and realizes reality is worth living because you can find happiness in yourself and through other people in both.

The only difference is we never see 'reality' in TV and EoE just repeats the already established fact that you will always find pain on that trudge through mud to happiness.

It was going to happen one way or the other, Shinji accepting reality in EoE at least gives humanity an out if they want it.

Yeah I thought you were retarded for a second until I realized what you were going for. All good

He doesn't reject instrumentality in the show though, he realizes he can make choices and he is congratulated by the cast in Instrumentality

But isnt making that decision basically the same as 'rejecting' Instrumentality, just spiritually? He wants to choose reality to find true happiness instead of the escapist orgy that is Instrumentality.

The only difference is we don't know what happens after congratulations since the show cuts off after his grand realization.

That was my takeaway too

>the hospital scene
pretty good ending to me

>Literally everything is her fault.
Best girl confirmed

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Brainlet

So is instrumentality the same in both the TV show and EOE? EOE makes it out to be some escasy where you can finally have everything you ever wanted. The TV show makes it out to be a borderline hell at first where you are forced to come to terms with all your problems with the help of the souls of everyone you knew now all linked together without privacy.

I literally just finished the series and EOE before finding this thread

No, it's actually a good ending because he has to face his problems and move on in spite of them, something he struggled to do through all of Evangelion. Also, he totally got laid

>he totally got laid

They absolutely fucked after the credits rolled if thats what youre implying

also buy our merch

They don't even exist after the credits you absolute retard, they're fictional characters.

its both.
also, in instrumentality, you literally can't tell the difference between another soul actually talking to you, and what you expect that soul to say, because there's no barriers to separate the imaginary versions of people that only exist in our heads. Hell you can't even be sure if you're not talking to somebody else's perception of the person you think you're talking to.

They both make out that what's shown is only the beginning of Instrumentality while hearts and minds lose individual form and melt and run into each other.

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...it's the same Shinji who makes the same decision at the end user.

EoE is the good ending where Shinji rejects instrumentality.
End of TV is the bad ending where humanity including Shinji is all part of instrumentality - which you may consider happy anyway.

>go outside
no

Its could be a bit different.
End of TV could well be instrumentality started by Gendo, rather than EoE where Rei betrayed him and passed control to Shinji.

Instead its Shinji choosing to join all the others in the orgy, because he'd been denying his own happiness by blocking everyone else off in his little theater room.

No it's not.

What the fuck was Seele's plan tho?
Gendo's goal was to merge all souls into one.
What was Seele's goal? I thought they wanted to create a better lifeform or something.

Gendo wanted to see yui
Seele wanted instrumentality
It all does not make any sense since everyone got what they wanted anyways, makes you wonder why they even had to fight.
The rebuilds make even less sense since seele now wants kaworou/angel to initiate angle instrumentality?
but some how gendo with his 1000iq knew kaworou will kill him self and awaken unit 13?

Yes, exactly my thoughts. Seele and Gendo apparently wanted the same thing.
However I think Seele wanted to create a new life form from the instrumentality, something of a merge between Lilin and Adan perhaps?

I can't wrap my head around Seele being some kind of AI in the Rebuilds, tho.

She did what she thought was best for her family. The only thing that bothered me is why would she take Shinji to watch her get absorbed by the EVA and why she didn't extensively talk to Gendo about her sacrifice. It would make both of their lives easier and she wouldn't have to eat Gendo's head in the end.

She was feeding herself to a monster so that enough of her might imprint on it that it would like her son and he might use it to save the world if he wanted to. She can only hope that works because none of this was ever done before. I understand if she wanted her motivation in view while she went through with it.

Was it really an ending though?

Pretty much yes. I mean, he rejected Intrumentality only to find out that the rest of the world rejected him back. Kinda ironic.

Yeah but making your child watch you as you get slurped by a monstrous cyborg mecha probably isn't a good thing for their mental health.

What if I'm a 28 year old friendless fuck up with no self-esteem, someone that broke contact with everybody in life because I couldn't fathom anybody ever liking me, terrified of talking to women, terrified of people and a self hatred that runs so deep it has completely crippled me.

Will I be able to relate to Shinji or is it too late? should I have watched this in high school when something could have been done? will I just view Shinji in the light of a teenager that moved on? Anno was older when he wrote these characters, right? Sounds like watching this show might help me.

is the only reason she says disgusting at the end because she remembers shinji wanking?

Not just AIs, Gendo's describing them as older than humans and having guided civilization to the point instrumentality could be attempted. They might just literally be the 2001 monoliths.

Watching this show may help you and it might not, really it depends on you if you want to take the lessons to heart or not

I always deliberately choose to push things away as a cope.
Ironically enough, while suffering from similar issues to Shinji, I can see myself letting it bounce off me because I'll read him as being a successful failure, not like me, because I can't possibly be helped.
Anno was older than me when he wrote that character, and I think it was therapeutic for him. I should just stop being dumb and allow something to impact me.

But what reality is there to face when all life on the planet is destroyed at a microbial level?

Watch it now and you will receive permission to interact honestly with anyone, and to not feel hurt by their selfish rejection. I highly recommend a watch at any age, the show is simply great therapy and was designed as such

Watch Eva before assuming such selfish things. What makes you think you're worse than Shinji, or that Shinji is any special type of success? Its just life. Life is a struggle, the rejection you feel isn't proof of failure, its proof you are participating. Also to be honest nobody cares if you reject Eva's message just because you won't relate to the main cartoon character's few fictional accomplishments. Like seriously, that's pointless narcissistic pity party shit and you only say it so you can reject hard messages when you don't feel comfortable hearing them. You're literally prepping yourself to deny any motivation the show might give you, probably because you worry it could actually offer some, humiliate you, and change your behaviors

The scene on the beach takes place after everything in EoE and TV. He made a fulfilling decision but the reality of existence isn't going away and that's also what he accepted

>probably because you worry it could actually offer some, humiliate you, and change your behaviors
that's exactly what I'm saying. I don't even do these things intentionally, I do it out of fear. It's something I don't wanna do when I watch this, which is why I bring it up.

I'll take to heart what you said.

Are the Eng subs included with the Sephirotic rip the best ones available or do I need to download something else?

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Youre in luch because the entire show is about that and is therapy largely catered to that condition we all share. Like, starting with episode 1 its a socratic breakdown of the social fear reaction

This is what bothers me. The fact that Shinji "learned his lesson" doesn't really mean diddly twat when the world he's now living in is so drastically changed that he can't even put that lesson to good use, Like sure I'd be willing to come back if my crush and me are the only two people in a post-apocalyptic sea. What will they eat? How will they wipe?

This, sadly. I think we are meant to believe Shinji and Asuka are like a new Adam or Lillith in terms of being the entities that create a new world of life. Like, in a magical sense

Also the show is extrenely well made, relentless, and clear about its message, and will leave the audience with anime characters yelling at them in their head not to run away and to quit being a coward

>only to find out that the rest of the world rejected him back
user plz

Thanks, user. I'll try to watch it soon. Pretty bad at starting things but I really feel like watching this now.
Also please weigh in on this if you can

But others can return too

>the rejection you feel
Also, is it rejection I feel or isn't it just fear?
it's not like I'm out there participating and trying to make friends or find girlfriends. I'm too terrified to actually do anything.

Still, what will they eat?

prepackaged shit or they'll have to grow their own

Prepackaged shit? I didnt get the feeling anything remained on earth after 3rd impact

It was just Lilith based lifeforms and the GeoFront that got hit man. the structures elsewher in the world are likely still solid.

Did animals and plants survive?

I dunno about animals, but plants dont have souls user

Shinji attacking Asuka and Asuka saying 'disgusting' are excellent reminders that enlightebment and experience with Instrumentality don't prevent the pain of living. Even after both becoming one with everything, learning the totality of all possible social knowledge about themselves, as well as experiencing temporary ego death, when they return to their bodies, they are once again afflicted by their bodily troubles. Suffering is real. Its not because you dont know enough and have not 'reached heaven' that you still suffer, you suffer because it is honest, and it is the natural state of the living to do.

What are the best scenes in the show/movie?

EoE is flawless throughout
Elevator scene and the final shot of ep 24 unironically

She did it so that she would become an immortal god.

That's definitely what she says in EoE

If your 28 you should be able to relate to an empathise with Shinji. Younger, less self aware people tend to hate him as they see him their own weakness in him (Asuka). True self actualisation comes from learning from it and becoming Kaiji.

Where are the plants then?

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Probably. We can't know for sure since we can't read her mind but its a fair assessment. Could be a reaction to not only that individual act but his attitude towards her and the other women in his life in general.

>True self actualisation comes from learning from it and becoming Kaiji.
I don't know why Kaiji is considered the only mature person in the show. He's way to slutty

Because he always says the right thing, succeeds in making most people happy most of the time, did nothing wrong regarding Misato running from him, and manages to constantly create intimate moments with multiple neesing partners shortly before the end of all life, while being a master level operator who unravels Instrumentality

>you can start a legit eva thread as a complete newbie in 2019 without getting any flak
Based Yea Forums

Not in shot because they're on a beach

Isn't the beach kinda like the ground zero of the Third Impact? That's prolly why there's nothing there.

People give Misato's walk during her introduction in EoE some flack, but I think it's really badass.

Yeah its Kino, it gets flak? Why

here

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Eva fanbase doesn't seem so bad. Helpful and insightful people.

No, EoE is the reality. The TV ending is a lot more spiritual and metaphorical level of what happened to Shinji during 3rd Impact and Instrumentality. I always thought that the scene where he chokes Asuka was his way of confirming if he was still inside the instrumentality or if he was back to the world where people could reject him.

I often read people's comments saying it was too fanservicey. More like badass.

I always find it funny that this show wants you to take Shinji and his bullshit imaginary problems seriously to teach some lesson when there is a kid losing his leg in the same show. You call those problems Shinji? Just lol.

>marriage age military woman's hips sway as she powerwalks to her post
Oh no the sexism

Because Misato is shit.

That's part of the show. Shinji loves with a lot of perspective problems like we all so

Lives* do*

>there is a kid losing his leg in the same show
Who

Stop posting or get on a desktop ffs.

Touji

Did you watch the show?

Kys

That is explicitly part of Shinji's problem, his whole "woe is me attitude" when the others around him are suffering even worse

>That is explicitly part of Shinji's problem
No it isn't, the show never calls Shinji out on this, and neither does it draw atention to it. The show earnestly wants you to take Shinji's problems seriously and with full attention. Just look at the hell train conversation in ep 19. It's all about "me me me and why my daddy doesn't get me!" While the maimed kid stands by and watches.

almost as if that's fucking humanity.
do our problems go away because others have it worse?

>While the maimed kid stands by and watches
He didn't have the leg to stand on so I highly doubt that. That said, most of the central figures generally were concerned about themselves.

Well that's some hardcore intertextuality.
However the fact that they get disconnected sort of implies they were manufactured at some point. It's really weird

Can somebody please help me with this subtitle thing? Are the subs Sephirotic come with the good ones? or does something need to be downloaded?
I was under the impression that Sephirotic had his own english translation, but I may have been mistaken on that. Please help me out.

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The sight of someone who has it much much worse immediately puts my problems into perspective, yes. I can't whine about my daddy issues seeing as somebody has much, much worse issues. Only clinically self absorbed cunts lack this kind of internal contextualizing mechanism.

Hardy har har.

Fuck off, normalfag.

Ill be here all week

Id give you that if even one of the primary characters was even halfway well adjusted individuals. The pilots were headcases going into the war and their superiors weren't much better off.

Which is why the show has lost a lot of credibility for me with its navel-gazing treatment of the main characters.
Did anybody notice that Asuka made a mission to save mankind her personal ego trip and the show has never called her out on that either? Who gives a shit who saves humanity and kills more angels? The only thing that matters is that humanity is saved. At least that's what a self un-absorbed person would say.

Whoever is merges with Lillith and Adam first becomes a god. Gendo fused actual Adam in his hand and planned to fuss with Rei III, who was Lillith's soul. with God powers he could just magic Yui back to human, and probably not Tang the world if he can do this.
Seele wants to live forever. They may suspect Gendo will not merge all of humanity into Tang like they want, so they use Kaworu. first by trying to trick him into merging with lillith, then by using clones of him to merge with Lillith. Eva 01 is a clone of lillith, so it will do.

But Yui is the soul of Eva01. Yui loves shinji, and instrumentality is shinji debating whether being Tang and choking asuka is better than physically strangling her.

maybe the plants and stuff will reject instrumentality as well

The very first episode Shinji doesnt want to get in 01 and has a tantrum about it, then has an emotional reaction to seeing the severely wounded Rei stoically take his place from a hospital bed. Its the very first performance issue addressed in the show

The show addresses and depicts people who have trouble realizing or remembering that

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It was explicitly shown in the show that Asuka poured her entire hope to escape the loneliness of being an orphan into becoming a revered and worshipped Eva pilot, and her rage towards herself. her allies, and her enemies, comes from insecurity in being equal to or below anyone. If she cannot be a star Eva pilot, then she is nothing but a lonely unwanted orphan whose mother killed herself to escape. That's her journey, and though you're right that she becomes an egotistical monster fighting for the wrong reasons, the core issue is her development and actual decision making, so the show addresses her psychology instead of just berating the character at the end like they did Shinji. Though they do berate her, Asuka is tome and time again made a fool in that show.

Bump

>Yes life is hard go outside
Don't forget to put some effort to grab on to happiness and never let it go, no matter how hard it is.

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25 and 26 don't happen in EoE, they are seperate endings.

Considereing the main emographics of Yea Forums an anime at large i say iot wasnt far enough clearly.

ngl true

okay be a shut in and live in weeb fantasy land

Yeah basically. Life can and will kick you in the nuts but keep going for the happiness and connection you will find etc.

I mean the characters in the show don't really care about why the characters do something only that they do it. If someone wants to make saving the works their ego trip then its probably not gonna be great for their well being but its gets results so who cares?

I wish I could.
I don’t know what’s wrong with me.

You're unhappy because you havent grabbed happiness. Do it, it's self-fulfilling

The show spends every waking second calling out Asuka what are you talking about?

what media player do you use?

Its got themes and references that you can only really get from being either fairly well read on physcology and philosophy or just having more life experiance. I didnt watch when I was the main characters age because I assumed most of the references would go right over my head and looking back after watching it now older and better able to critically engage with a work it was more fufilling. You'll inevitable find traits in the characters you find in yourself. The show does go a decent job dealing with all the themes and traumas explored. And personally I thought it gave a half decent answers to most of those in both the EoTV and EOE. Though I personally like EoE a bit more.

Why did Kaworu smile at Rei before he died in ep 24?

because he cucked her

Because theyre Adam and Lillith

I know, but why did he smile at her

To a degree thats kinda a point. As other said about Shinji being rather self centered and thinking only he is hurt and thinking his actions only hurt him or he is the only one with problems. I also interpet with casting a light onto wounds that you can see like mental illness being important but maybe thats just me.

Because they are kin

>to a degree
Any time someone besides Shinji suffers in an episode where Shinji complains about his life, is to point out how selfish Shinji is

I'm not well read, I'm just a miserable brainlet that hates himself and has had a shit life hiding away from people. so guess we'll see if it resonates. This is another reason why I don't identify with most things, because I have no life experiences to pull from. But from the sounds of it, I'll at least understand Shinji on some level.
mpvnet

Just watch it, its been like 4 hours of us talking about it. Put in 20 minutes to watch the first episode and you'll be involved

I want a big T-shirt that says 'IM A HUGE EVA FAN ASK ME ANYTHING'

This is how I am with everything. I download movies and let them sit on my hdd for a year before I watch them. You'd think watching a movie would be easy.
Pretty set on watching this though, I just have to mentally prepare to the point where I'm ready to commit, it's like some OCD thing, I can't really describe it.

I hope I get something out of it despite being a dumb person.

Have something better

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>Wearing an Eva novelty tee
>delcare yourself a fan in public
>Netflix normies
Do you really want this?

Do you really want this?

Yes but also nobody would ever ask me anything

Kaworu smiles at everyone all the time.

You're not a dumb person, you're a concerned person who confuses anxiety with foreboding. Watch episode one no, you do not have permission to hide behind your history as a procrastinator to put off something that is clearly speaking to you

I used to be very much a depressed person and had great issues with connecting with people. I suffered through all of high school with it. Sure ive gotten pretty lucky and adressed most of those issues myself. Ive improved my social awkwardness and anti social tendencies and have been able to get out of my shell but im still not perfect. I still fall into those habits from time to time. But it is worth the effort to try and improve your life. Its hard and life finds ways to kick you when you down but you just gotta keep at it.

And dont think you need a massive amount of life experiences and background in physcology or philosophy. Most of mine boil down to whatever I took from high school and a some uni. You dont need to be some bookworm to get the gist of NGE.

NGE is designed to communicate with anime fans, dont worry

I know its the hip thing to do and shit on people who watched eva through netflix but if they are actually enchanted with the show they will look into the show/fandom deeper and will probably see the issues brought up in certain parts of the netflix sub etc. Being some sort of autistic gatekeeper because hurr you didnt torrent it or purchase a over inflated priced copy is just stupid. It might give someone who has been wanting to watch the show but couldnt find the means to access to it there chance to experiance a rather important anime in the history of the medium.

Exactly, funny toi because he doesnt know I myself am a netflix Eva newbie

>who confuses anxiety with foreboding
what do you mean by that? also, I'll start it this weekend, user.
I'm not really an anime fan, that's another thing I've been wondering about, is if it is important t understand anime before watching it. I've really only watched a couple of the well known movies before, never shows. I just thought Eva sounded like a good fit for me.

You're anticipating it might effect you, and you're turning that into worry and stress that you wont participate properly. If you've set a time to watch it, then watch it then, but you already could have watched some of the show just now and have real experience insteas of asking if we know you wont get it

He doesn’t smile at me ;_;

You're right user.
Thanks for your thoughtful responses though, I appreciate them.

No problem, you will definitely understand Eva

Ton of different reasons imo, I think people trying to attribute it to one specific reason are incorrect. Probably some to do with Shinji's weakness, the experience she just had, the state of the world, the state that humanity had to be in to make this possible, shinji wacking off over her, etc.

I think a big factor was her finally accepting and caressing Shinji lovingly, which is basically an honest show of her feelings and attraction towards him. She thinks this honest show of feelings is disgusting since she hasn't completely gotten over her deep ingrained coping method of never wanting to rely on other people, despite everything she just went through.

final question nobody has answered yet though, are these the best subtitles available? the ones that come with Sephirotic's release I've heard something before about having to download his subs individually but it looks like he only did Portuguese ones?

Just because they experienced Instrumentality and temporarily lost their ego doesnt mean life isn't disgusting

I just realized SEELE are probably just like Gendo in the fact that they likely want instrumentality soley for selfish yet depressing reasons like being with loved ones again or filling the void in their hearts.

Its not important to understand anime. It does adress certain aspects of the otaku culture but those are not really directly related to the other themes. Just watch it as a regular show and stop over analysing it or you reaction to it.

Well that also works.

That's the one and only time the show has ever addressed it by having Shinji act like that.

>the absolute first emotional hurdle and mandatory lesson Shinji has to confront in order to even enter the robot and begin the series
>doesn't count
They have 26 episodes and the first one is entirely about that, that's one twenty-sixth of the series.

I feel that we should have also gotten to see more of Asukas POV of Instrumentality. After all, if she's on the beach alongside Shinji at the end, clearly there was some radical change to her psyche that warranted exploration. We get to see how Shinji is guided through his realization, so Asuka deserves the same treatment for the major role she plays in the show

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Isn't that pretty much what we see with that dream sequence of her as a kid running through those doors until she sees her mom has hung herself?

What do you watch next after you've watched Eva and EoE? I'm sorry I'm a Netflix newbie...

EoE is Shinji's movie. It would dilute the point to focus on other characters to much.

I'm afraid that's really it for the core series. The rest is not the same.

Watch Ultraman and Ideon.

It would be nice to see Asukas instrumentality sequence but as said its Shinjis movie.

After those thats kinda it. Sure there is the manga and the rebuild's but those are very different then the main series. But if you like the world I guess its not a bad place to go but the story isnt all the same between them

Just go into life remembering Anno has given you permission to reach out to others and make simple communications in your daily life, and not to be ashamed of any pain or fear you might have for doing so

I didn't say it didn't count, but the series didn't follow through on that by never having the narrative repeat itself and never reinforcing it. For people in real life who are in Shinji's mindset this sort of thing is a regular occurence because you hear about bad shit going down all the time and it helps you to keep your whining in check. And people who don't, well in general they are looked down upon instead of having entire works of fiction devoted to them without ever directly being called out on their bullshit in those works.

I also felt they frequently cut from people suffering to Shinji moping and being cowardly, you're right they don't use as many words as the other themes to articulate that, but they dedicate a lot of the storyboard to it and it was definitely in the show.

Yeah, the fact that Asuka is technically offscreen for the majority of the movie kinda puts a damper on her character.
As someone who really liked Asuka's character and portrayal in the original show, I can't help but be disappointed with how she was sidelined in EoE. We don't really get a conclusion to her arc because we don't see how she even reached that conclusion.

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It's touched on again in ep 26

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I think it was for the best. Would be a bit redundant to have the minutia of her instrumentality process shown like Shinji's
It may have been more pleasant to fans of her as a character but it would have been worse for the film

Possibly.
But we got a conclusion to both Misato and Rei's character arcs. Even more minor characters like Gendo got something.
But Asuka really didn't get jackshit.

>But Asuka really didn't get jackshit.
I think being one of two people canonically confirmed to reject instrumentality is massive
We don't need to know the nitty-gritty, as fun as it would be

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Am I the only one who preferred the manga ending? Same vein as EoE but more uplifting.

>Same vein as EoE but more uplifting.
A reset ending is not the same vein as EoE.
In fact I would say that the last volumes covering EoE are just bad overall. They are worse than EoE in every way, and makes to many stupid changes that only lowers the quality.

It's not massive when we have no idea how and why she ended up there.
If all her development took place off screen it isn't really development at all, it's bad writing.
Especially considering we get conclusive arcs and development for Misato, Rei, Gendo, Fuyutsuki, Yui, Ritsuko, and Shinji. But absolutely nothing for Asuka.

I would mostly agree with that. I mean her and Shinji are the only ones we see who have up to that point rejected instrumentality. So I guess we get to fill in the blanks to some degree on what happened and her motivations. Though I can't help but kinda wish we had something more concrete. But thats just the way it is and im fine with that.

>it's bad writing
It's not bad writing, it is non-writing.
>Especially considering we get conclusive arcs and development for Misato, Rei, Gendo, Fuyutsuki, Yui, Ritsuko, and Shinji. But absolutely nothing for Asuka.
Asuka's final fight is just as much a conclusion to her arc as any of the other characters apart from Shinji.
It was always in Asuka's character to reject instrumentality in the first place so no actual character development would have to take place for it to happen.

A reset ending is not uplifting.
It is actually horrific when you think about it for more than a moment.

>Asuka's final fight is just as much a conclusion to her arc
How? First of all that final fight in itself is an asspull and another example of bad writing in eoe when it comes to Asuka.
She doesn't want to die and suddenly she sees her mother out of nowhere and now everything is okay? It makes no fucking sense and it's stupid.

Its not an asspull when the same thing happened when Shinji freaked out about dying trapped on Leliel.
Plus Asuka's issues are centered around the idea that her mom did not love her - learning that was not the case flips things around for her in the moment

It isn't an asspull because we have know for a long time before that that Yui is in unit 01 and has been continuously helping Shinji.
And Asuka realizing that her mother has always been by her side and helping her, while it may be a bit rushed, is not a stupid way for her to act like she does.
Since her entire trauma comes almost entirely from her mother abandoning her for a doll and committing suicide.

But Shinji was already tanged at that point and was in a sort of instrumentality-sequence for a good portion of that episode.

With Asuka it makes no sense why she would randomly see her mother in that moment. She had a sync rate of 0, to the point where she couldn't even move her Eva. Plus Kyoko's soul was stated to have shut itself away.
So how could Kyoko come out now of all times? The execution of that entire scene is very random and seems like a plot device that people will ignore because of the cool battle scene that follows it. But it's still bad writing and ruins Asuka's character for me in the movie.

Shinji was never tanged in that episode, you are thinking Zeruel.

For Asuka, her sync rate crash was brought on by her self-loathing and unwittingly shutting her heart from her mom when Areal resurfaced all her past trauma.
Asuka runs away to die, but in the end after going through all that she decides she would still rather not die in EoE, not too farfected after a failed suicide attempt, and its that focus that lets her mom reach her.

I think it is implied that Asuka's big emotional outburst right before triggered something.
It is also important to remember that while Yui was entirely absorbed into the Eva, only a part of Kyoko was, which is probably why she couldn't do the same thing that Yui did. And Kyoko had only shut herself away after episode 22 and Asuka's mind rape.

Yeah, you're right I was misremembering.

But I still don't understand why Kyoko would come out then of all times. This wasn't the first time Asuka was in a life-threatening position (she was seconds away from dying in Magma diver) and her mom didn't step in for her during Arael either, so why now?
I can't help but see it as a plot convenience whereas with Shinji his mom frequently bailed him out and this was well established to the audience.

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you just finished watching it on netflix, didn't you?

Maybe im just not picking up on the rules of a soul being closed off. But perhaps Asuka crying in 02 getting mined made however much of Kyokopersonality/soul open itself up. I mean she still "human" to some degree i would think. Humans can change there mind etc.

Just a side note, I thought Shinji got tanged for some length of time. I mean there is one scene in the the instrumentality sequence where him and Rei are in each other. I think its the scene where he rejects not having barriers and grabs her wrist/hand

I mean, what was going to happen? What's in Asuka's instrumentality scene?

Since it's never clarified anywhere so far as I know I think it's more a general statement about everything. She's disgusted with Shinji for all of the reasons she always was on top of him jacking it over her, she's probably disgusted with herself after likely being shown through instrumentality what her own weaknesses and fuckups are in unavoidable detail, and probably having to experience the same for all humans who are also inside.

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>the maimed kid
Say his name, faggot.

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Toji Suzuhara, the goodest child in the whole show.

>Toji uses the gentlest tone of voice possible
>Shinji throws a bitch fit about it anyway
He's a lost cause.

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You think that little bike is supposed to represent Toji? Because the wheel is broken like his leg?
Damn, I learn something new about Eva everyday.

>After all, if she's on the beach alongside Shinji at the end, clearly there was some radical change to her psyche that warranted exploration.
When facing death by the MP EVA, Asuka finds a will to live stronger than she ever had, she had just learned that her mom has been protecting from the EVA the whole time, which basically resolved a chunk of her childhood trauma while also validated all the piloting she has done all this time.
Asuka being the first one to emerge from the LCL makes perfect sense, she just didn't come out before Shinji did because Shinji had to be the first one to undo the whole thing so that people could start crawling out of the ocean.
>Toji Suzuhara, the goodest child in the whole show.
Now we're talking.
Could be how his friendship with Shinji is broken and abandoned now.

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Toji a cute.

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Toji a best!

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Kensuke is cuter.

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Both are the most normal characters in the show. We just have to watch Toji suffer more directly when neither deserve it.

>retarded otaku that still wants to pilot eva after seeing how much it fucks up shinji and co.
>retarded otaku that talks to himself camping in the middle of the night
>retarded otaku that didn't give a shit when his own best friend toji got rekt by the eva
>normal
Even so I still like him.

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Yes, we know Hikari.

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Anyone autistic enough to figure out where the location Sahaquiel drops its first kinetic impactor is? It's probably near Hakone but shit is hard to find.

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>didn't care about his best friend's two-week absence from school and didn't bother to deliver his printouts to him
Danm, Kensuke really was kind of a shitty friend to Toji sometimes.

Toji is very cute indeed. Girls at his school are judgemental bitches.

I wish for a happy end for those two in Rebuild.

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Wasn't there a precise map specifying all of the angel locations in one of the official sources?

Both Kensuke and Shinji were shitty to him.
In the end the only one who bothered to check up on him at the hospital was Hikari.

Kensuke could've came by during the time he was asleep. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if Rei had come by, and if Asuka had went with Hikari at some point.

How did Hikari manage to get into a hospital that's supposedly located at NERVs headquarters anyway?

If that is the case, probably Asuka got her in.

Or her authority as Class Rep is just that great.