Japanese University Professor: “KyoAni Are Like Drug Dealers!”

>philosopher
Already smarter than KusoAnus' entire staff combined

So semi-related. I'll let it pass.

He's not wrong, escapism is one hell of a drug.

>by the late Yasuhiro Takemoto

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researchgate.net/profile/Teruaki_Sumioka
>Teruaki Georges Sumioka currently works at the Department of Liberal Arts, Osaka University of Arts. Teruaki does research in Philosophy, Media Culture and Movie Theory.
Essentially a professional bullshitter

I can see where he's coming from but you can use that argument for pretty much anything

So what's his stand regarding Idolshit; why single out a particular genre?

What retards, it’s called the YAKUZA
The literally control the supply and fuck underage kids and rape the seiyuus.

Why? You don't need academic credentials to recognize this obvious fact. If it wasn't phrased as an attack on their precious cartoons even Yea Forums would admit he's right, as it has many times before

Living vicariously through an anime character really is a bad thing. However, the otaku who do that should not be pitied, they should be scorned and mocked.

Positive, given how IM@S is a more thorough exploration of various social themes than everything Kyoani has ever managed to shit out over the course of two decades.

Slice of life anime is hardly the only anime that's used for escapism. What about romance anime? What about adults watching battle shonen?

>Why? You don't need academic credentials
Because they brought it up at all.
If there is a statement from a "researcher" or a "professor" on a topic, that implies that the statement comes with a lot of knowledge behind it. So it's basically a lie by omission.

No one doubts that the arsonist was a former cultist. Pandering to the mentally ill can catch up with you at some point.

Adults watching battle shounen are the biggest normalfags in existence. What are you on about? There are clear social trends releated to certain genres and their respective fanbases. Compare GochiUsas fanbase to battle shounen. It dosen't work cause the latter are normalfags who'd never cling to a franchise like that.

You don't have to deny that escapism is common in mass culture to see that slice of life animu is on a whole other level of aesthetic pathology

Byronistic fags are way way worse
Romantic Movement ruined everything

I mean, he's not wrong. But perhaps the same can be said of all fiction.

Though I never get what I'm "supposed" to do instead of reading and writing fiction. Become a tenured professor, I guess

>Honestly, I'd respect a drug dealer more, assuming he doesn't sell anything to children

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He'll be on time tomorrow, I promise.

Why is he singling put KyoAni? Fuck they only adapted it, is he saying the source material does not invoke the same reaction?

Nobody has ever said this about In Search of Lost Time or Macbeth, because unlike with Kyoanus' animated turds it's not true

>comparing cartoons to things that cause chemical dependence
Academics need to be culled, too many have become parodies of intelligence.

He probably heard about them in the news, looked them up and made a statement about what he saw.

>he wrote this shit after the arson attack
Holy shit, what a cretin.

Why is it bullshit? The drugdealer merely sells something to an individual who seeks them out. KusoAnus productions are available to anyone. They are also advertised and socially accepted, dragging more people into a relationship with their shovelware shit. You don't see billboards advertise Jamal's Drug Store, 3 park banks to the west of the entrance to the closest public park.

Damn boomer tell us more, guess we should all just pull ourselves up by the bootstraps.
>t. someone who has actually done drugs

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>You don't see billboards advertise Jamal's Drug Store
But you do see ads for beer and cigarettes.

Education is important, sure. But there is no real fun in dedicating your entire life to reading and teaching students what they should be learning themselves, based on books and literature that is often dated. Shutting down forms of entertainment, such as video games, anime, shows how dull they are. Imagine devoting your life to studying numbers or literature, not as a hobby but as a lifestyle. Your life is so dull that you want to bring down others with you. That's what these people are, and it's sad.

He was a trainfag, vidya autist and violent criminal. Fuck off, dipshit.

What about the people who did have fulfilling lives in high school and continue to live fulfilling lives as adults? Is it so wrong to just want to watch some cute movie picture every now and again? This professor sounds like he should have sex.

That's actually pretty brave of him, if true.

That's not what he's referring to, though. Nobody calls legally available beverages "drugs". He even uses the kanji for narcotics 麻薬

so, the only thing he's wrong about is comparing it to drugs

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itt Kyoanus lickers attempt to avoid his accurate aesthetic criticism with autistic literalism

you mad tho?

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Even burnt to ashes GodAni can still make normalfags seethe

Implying K-ON is any match for heroin

He's not saying people snort Haruhi or go to Shibuya to buy bootleg K-ON BDs, he's saying people use moeshit to produce artificial feelings of happiness and social acceptance, and that in this way it's more similar to drug use than appreciation of real art

True, it actually takes balls to make a controversial statement after a tragedy. Fuck, I still remember my cousin, right after he found out about 9/11 in the middle of a classroom saying "Good, sounds like population control to me, I don't care about what happens on the east coast anyway" and he's no incel sperg, just a sociopath who cares about literally nobody but himself. I'm pretty edgy, but hearing him say that was a moment of clarity for me on how different some people are and how even I still care about public opinion to a degree considering I'd never say something like that.

Kyoani is one the most normalfag studios. K.On! literally aired on Disney Channel.

>just a sociopath
I think most sociopaths are better at lying though.

>If only K-on was as good as chasing the dragon

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Cringe.

But K-ON has been hugely successful outside of the standard "otaku demographic" and was even aired on Japanese Disney channel.

it'd at least be more accurate if you said idolshit=drugs. i've known pathetic american idolfags who literally have went into debt to buy more idolshit or gacha game stuff (so i cant imagine how bad japanese otaku are) and this is actually based around a highly exploitable industry filled with lies. plus p2w gachashit phone games have already come under fire for similar reasons so it makes even more sense.

He's wrong about the entire thing, comparing SoL to drugs just shows how utterly retarded he is. The entire "He explained that these such shows would leave watchers with a mentality of a middle/high schooler" thing is a baseless claim. None of these worthless professors ever back up their railing against escapism or what have you with actual data. These types of statements are made more or less as virtue signalling, for the purposes of cultivating an image, rather than because they actually care about these topics.
Liberal arts faggots are some of the worst scum around. Sumioka complains about cartoons, but it's unlikely that he's contributed anything of value to society. Fundamentally, he's jealous that his academic theses are only read by a dozen people while actual artists are out there having their work enjoyed by thousands of people.

And he's correct, see this very board. Shit eaters left and right. They watch nothing but seasonal shit, treat animation as nothing but pure unaltered entertainment, repeat the same jokes ad nauseam, claim to only like anime beacuse of seasonal threads etc.

You could try liquefying one of the blurays

What scum, getting little children addicted to their shit so early.

I bet if you chase the dragon it makes endless 8 like 50 times more intense, I know when I did shrooms the movie we watched was too much for me so the same thing repeating over and over would likely be too much too

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Art is escapist more news at 11

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>shows would leave watchers with a mentality of a middle/high schooler
Another self-insert fag that doesn't realise some people can just watch things for fun and don't have to make it about themselves.

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I bet he defends gambling
Why arent Uni professors in Japan coming together to ban gacha machines aimed at children ie all of them

Art is not but moeshit isn't art

>was even aired on Japanese Disney channel
>Disney channel
You've just strengthened his argument. Maybe you are 30+ like me, but modern Disney channel broadcasts are very different to what we grew up with. There's no Chrstopher Robin trying to pull Pooh bear out of Gophers holes anymore.

>accurate aesthetic criticism with autistic literalism
you just mashed words together, your statement makes no sense, and you used "aesthetic" incorrectly.
he might have a point, but singling out kyoani when america does the whole coming of age thing more often and more toxic is in bad taste.
he is using this tragedy to make a name for himself.

Kyoto museums disagree

>I think most sociopaths are better at lying though.
What do you mean, he doesn't need to lie, because he simply would dominate the social hierarchy. He's a sociopath but he's also VERY charismatic, funny, and smart so when someone tries to shame him or call them out, he'll just ruthlessly verbally mock and attack them until they shut up. I really do hate him to a degree, but he's the first person I'd go to pick up in an apocalypse.

Yes, and moeshit eaters often bring up the same essential point themselves. They all recognize it's true. Only in this case where they are primed to be defensive would anyone deny something so obvious

>There's no Chrstopher Robin trying to pull Pooh bear out of Gophers holes anymore.
oh fuck me that sounds dirty

>normies on suicide watch

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He's not entirely wrong, though the comparison is extreme.

Back then Disney actually put effort into their porn. Nowadays they simply show a person's feet.

He is attacking the quality of Kyoani's work, how people use it and experience it as art, by comparing it to a drug, and instead of engaging with that Yea Forums goes "HA, you can't smoke it OWNED" as though that's a response

I agreed with him until he compared Haruhi and Lucky Star.

fuck off niwaka

You mean to tell me people who have a hard time in high school can have have some escapism and bring some happiness into their life? Cant have that.

Sociopaths generally develop the ability to lie perfectly at a very young age, which shapes their lives significantly, since having this tool permits them to get big benefits from people when they first meet, but on the other hand makes people unable to trust them, so they just drift through relationships as parasites.

It pretty much is, if you've ever actually done drugs his comparison is laughable

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>The entire "He explained that these such shows would leave watchers with a mentality of a middle/high schooler" thing is a baseless claim
This. I won't deny for a second that anime at large and SoL in particular is escapism for me, but I still wake up, go to work, and interact with people every day despite how much I despise it. In fact, it's probably only due to anime that I haven't completely broken down yet. Escapism has been an integral part of human culture since we discovered alcohol. It's what helps people get through this terrible existence.
I'd argue that realizing that life is terrible and finding ways to cope with this fact is a large part of what being an adult is about.

What does your high school life have to do with your post high school life? Right, nothing. Especially in Japan, a country where people relocate for jobs on what feels like annual basis.

I forgot to make my point:
Since they can lie perfectly, they never have a reason NOT to lie. In any given situation it is most advantageous for them to make themselves appear to be better people than they are.

He's not saying watching K-On is as intense as slamming dope, just that it has the same kind of motivation and purpose

When I watch a guy throw fireballs from his fists I'm under no illusion that I can do it myself. Its pure escapism. Watching girls talk about how they eat cake or not do their homework is something that you could do with your friends. Its a replacement for those things in real life.

yah and video games make me want to shoot people

>something that you could do with your friends.
>implying

>MOM he called my cartoons shit! Make him staaahp

Wow man crying like a bitch is the same as shooting Heroin, I never knew. tell me more about how a few grams of anime can kill me.
Drugs are real in America they aren't as real in Japan, fentanyl is being marketed to hardcore addicts at an alarming rate causing many overdoes deaths.
There are actually real problems in the world, when anime starts dropping people in the street let me know.
Lets all love Lain

>Japan removes the nonsense
>Opinionated idiots gain followers in western countries
Totally the same

don't be a retard, retard. I don't even watch this shit.

They removed the moeshit eaters, with their healthy relationship to cartoons, threatened to kill for thinking they were bad

Did this fag see isekai? That's a real cancer.

>He is attacking the quality of Kyoani's work
I've got a feeling if pressed it would become clear he has watched a couple of their series at best, and most likely none.
Mentioning middle school for a studio that pretty much only makes high school SoL suggests that much at least.

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And an avid moetrash consumer, cuck.

>Sumioka wrote a column for the “Insight Now!” website, claiming that the studio’s focus on slice of life anime set in schools was a way of emotionally exploiting people who were unfortunate enough to have lacked a normal school life during their childhood (whether it be due to bullying or a hikikomori lifestyle), allowing them to live vicariously through the characters.
He's not terribly wrong.

>When I watch a guy throw fireballs from his fists I'm under no illusion that I can do it myself
Heh... look at this normie. He has no idea of the dark shadows we grapple with... every day. Stay ignorant, fool... just hope I'm there with my Black Justice Flames to protect you from The Dark Committee.

>it has the same kind of motivation and purpose
Except it doesn't. Narcotics lead to chemical addiction; the motivation for continuing is that your body has been rewired to need more.

If he could back up any of his statements with research showing that people who engage with escapist media become chemically addicted to it, there would be some basis to it. If he could even point to research indicating emotional dependence on escapist media then the comparison might be tolerable, but he can't. All of this "hurr escapist media is dangerous" bullshit is just that, bullshit spouted by academics who never have to support their inane statements with facts because they hide behind the edifice of philosophy.

>normie

Kind of proving my point no?

Actually I'd put watching Clannad and Kanon somewhere near to taking acid when it comes to emotional impact it had. Don't really know what to say about his argument, which seems to center more in escapistic aspects, though.

You are assuming that one is the cause for the other when you have no logical reason to do so.

Oh that's right, haven't you got a massive big pharma-backed opioid crisis going on over there?

Hearing about how bitter many Moefags seem to be at the world on here doesn't exactly help that image but your right that I can't exactly use that to make the determination that one causes the other even if it makes logical sense.

Yeah he likes to talk himself up I agree, but I do give him credit, he ALWAYS put's himself in the "power position" without hesitation, he's the guy who would volunteer for shit nobody else would when asked and would do it with the upmost confidence, he backs up his shit, but he still cares about NOTHING other than himself, I've heard him say he's have no problem letting his kids die as long as his wife was okay so he could have more, and he meant it.

Holy cow! Since when did you Yui become a pothead?

I don't think he's actually a sociopath. Now, I'm no expert and even an expert would not be able to make a diagnosis like this. But he just sounds like a completely different personality disorder (that I'm not going to bring up because 1) memes and 2) I'm no expert).

>Majored in philosophy
What a fucking retard. If you're actually smart enough to understand philosophy to any meaningful extent, you can just learn by reading philosophical texts in your free time. At worst you should minor in it while learning a real skill. No wonder he's a professor- those who can't do, teach, after all. He doesn't have anything original or insightful to say so he has to piggyback off of a tragedy to get attention.

Gambling is drug too
I bet they dont dare talk about that
Fuck asians and their gambling shit

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And all four of those are right

I remember reading a study that found that new video game releases cause a decline in crime, but new violent video games releases cause it to decline less. So ceteris paribus violent games actually do cause crime

>he can't separate the idea of reading literature from school

>co-dependant personality

He puts himself in those positions because he craves power like a sociopath would and no one challenges him. You should see how he faces adversity instead of you talking him up instead.. for him.

Are you him?

Or maybe violent people just don't like violent games.

>I don't think he's actually a sociopath.
I do, he's not crazy at all or angry and he does not have any traces of any kind of emotional disturbance, if you met him he'd probably make you laugh. It's just like he doesn't have any sense of universal morality, like he's just in it for himself and doesn't see any problem at all with it, it doesn't even seem like he ever thought different, just born that way.

But they do like nonviolent games? Doesn't make much sense

I didn't mean vidya causing violence being true because that's retarded, I meant vidya being soma for the majority of people which isn't

>Philosopher
What a faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag

>Those who can't do, teach.

Then how can they teach you?

Thiry four people died.

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They have enough violence in their real lives. They don't need violence simulators.
They are looking for nonviolent escapism from their violent lives, just like you are looking for violent escapism from your nonviolent life.

user, I...
It's 35 now.

>He puts himself in those positions because he craves power like a sociopath would and no one challenges him. You should see how he faces adversity instead of you talking him up instead.. for him.
I have, I sadly work under him right now, he talks shit, but he puts up. He handles stressful situations very well, better then me actually, so I give him respect, but I also recognize there's something atypical about how he thinks and it's clearly without any moral concern whatsoever.
>Are you him?
No, I just work for him, so I spend a lot of time around him and have known him for years so I know how he is.

He's right though. Truth hurts, but people need to stop overindulging in escapist fantasies.

The soma thing is obvious, but it appears at least likely that the violent games causing crime thing is also true, at least in the sense that crime would go down if they were replaced with nonviolent games

Those were just of the burakkumin caste, so no loss of life, really.

This is a glorified Twitter thread

thousands of people die every hour.

The story where people with violent inclinations have them activated by acting out violence in games makes a lot more sense than yours

>Thiry four people died.

You mean 35.

What an uneducated and pointless claim. I would agree it is escapism, and it may be used as a form of entertainment that some viewers live vicarious lives through. But it is not anymore exploitative or degenerate (the unironic definition) than other serialized media. That's the generic description of all pop media.

I'm a pure SOL fag that literally only watches shows with little anime girls living rosy colored academic lives with no outer conflict and absolutely nothing more than the most two dimensional, otaku exploitative, safezone lesbians. My personal high school life was filled with social adventure and nothing but normalfaggotry, I am still in close contact with my HS friends 10 years later, and living my current life in complete realization of what I do.

Do you primarily consume fiction that reflects your own life?

>sankakucomplex
Remember when we had fucking standards

now we got chinks and mexicans flooding our streets counterfeit pills cut with fentanyl

things were allot better when it was big pharma

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>Osaka university of the arts

Not only Kansai, but shit by Kansai's own standards.

No, but I do remember the times when we strove to have standards.

Mostly I consume fiction that reflects things I'd like to do

>The story
Thats what your belief is. Just a fucking tall tale. Do you think most people who live "violent" lifestyles (whatever that means) WANT to be surrounded by violence?

Yea Forums had way more successful bait threads like this one in 2010 than it does now

So, would you assume there to be a reason for Alex DeLarge to play GTA?

>Pure SOL fag
Then I guess you just have shit taste.

He's not wrong, and anime is an especially effective and therefore dangerous form of escapism, but attacking the symptom is pretty retarded. Life has always been kind of shit, maybe it's a little shittier now, but ways to distract yourself from that shit have grown exponentially in power in the past century.

He's mostly right but it's unfair to blame only Kyoani for this. Also weird how he points out Haruhi as that series is pretty much against escapism and its themes aren't limited to school life at all.

>they were worried about potential harm coming to Professor Sumioka.
>kyoanifags
The more days pass the more I think this fire wasn't that bad to be honest, nobody important died, and Kyoani kinda deserved it.

Yea I did think that was a weird example. I don't really like SOL but I really liked Haruhi.

Why go immediately to that extreme? I am not talking about sociopathic fictional characters, I'm talking about a population of millions. A few dumbass teens getting bad ideas is all it would take

So when is he getting the boot?

Correct and based

What's your favorite kinda anime to watch?

He is not wrong

Bible Black.

>A few dumbass teens getting bad ideas
Would not describe people who are already violent.
They already have those ideas, after all.

Moeshit

Anything that involves animators suffering and dying.

He's not wrong.

I said inclined to violence, not people who are already violent. Not that it's necessarily a hard and fast distinction; if for example someone who would have gotten in a fist fight instead gets a gun that would be someone who was already going to be violent but also an increase in violence

>Sumioka compared such shows to addictive drugs that allow “weak” viewers to wallow in fantasy; however, there are no records of people prostituting themselves for money to buy slice of life anime, nor of violent street gangs controlling the supply of such materials, making the comparison a rather weak one.
I mean, there aren't people prostituting themselves for money to buy cigarettes, nor violent street gangs controlling the supply (at least in most countries), that doesn't make it any less addictive, so that's a pretty shit argument.
Is this translation a direct translation of the japanese article? I haven't consumed that much japanese media outside of anime manga, but in the few of those i did consume, i noticed that they tend to try to tell you a lot what to think. From comedy shows telling you something is funny, documentaries telling you just how great a person or technique is, to apparently news telling you a comparison is weak without letting you think that on your own.
Must be a cultural thing i guess, but that's pretty lame. If something is funny, impressive or stupid, i'll figure it on my own.

>I said inclined to violence, not people who are already violent.
That may be, but I was discussing people who have "enough violence in their real lives".

> I'm a faggot that's never seen a vagoo
>I watch anime for light hearted entertainment
I'm an angry 15 y/o that's scared of his own shadow
To try and label anime as anything other than fun entertainment is cancer.
Shut up and enjoy the colorful moving drawings.
Christ sakes.

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Considering that all professors do is teach books, you clearly didn't get the point of my argument.

Haha, I tricked you into replying to me three times.

>all professors do is teach books,
I thought he was an actual professor, not just a lector.

There is no such thing as an actual professor.

Thank god their meth-lab burned down.

>there are no records of people prostituting themselves for money to buy slice of life anime

y-yeah. no records.

It must be nice to live in a country where drug crime is so low that you never actually seen what it does to communities first-hand so you don't stop and think about why you sound like a drooling fucking retard for equating SoL anime with drug dealing.

Isn't the Osaka University of Arts that one where rather famous people came out of?
I think Anno studied there.

Is he wrong though? The average anime viewer is not the most socially adjusted person.

People who don't fit into society are more likely to retreat into the security of their homes and watch TV instead. If they don't have access to TV, they might read books instead.
If you force them to get out of their rooms, they will learn some social skills. But that's exposure to social life, not withdrawal from anime.

His whole argument falls apart when you consider that K-ON, which is the quintessential high school moe sol had a massive popularity among the general public and not just otaku

The high school girls who watched K-ON don't count and are just dumb vapid whores.

K-On! is the alcohol of anime. Everybody consumes it and it destroys civilizations.
Yuru Yuri is the marijuana of anime. it's nice and chill, but the people consuming it have a bad reputation.

He's claiming that the SoL anime are contributing to their maladjustment or at the least causing them to remain stagnant. It's possible that he's correct, but at this point he's just talking out of his ass because actual researchers like psychologists have not studied the impact of escapist media. One could just as easily argue that the SoL are providing the poorly adjusted individuals with positive social training or that the relief of the escapist media acts as a release valve for stress which might otherwise lead to total breakdown.

>under fire

I feel like that might be true for SOL that focused on adult relationships or the workplace but I don't see how watching teenage or children girls talking about their favourite sandwiches helps anons become more socially adjusted. The letting off steam approach makes a bit more sense.

If SoLshit is the drug, then the edgy, gory and wholesome MANime is the cure. Baki, Hokuto no Ken, Jojo and Otokojuku cured my autism.

KyoAni is like drugs

As in, you can blaze it?

The obsession with manime is just as bad as the obsession with sol moe stuff. Moe is ecstasy and manime is heroin or meth.

I think the issue is that you're placing your importance on the whole social aspect of society. There are no benefits to going out and being a social person, especially with how shitty most people are.

based professor
fuck moe

This, escapism is more about the person than the media itself. I enjoyed K-On as a silly sitcom but didn't have that big of an attachment to it.

>no fun allowed

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If we suppose that one of the reasons that individuals become maladjusted is because they are lacking social experiences, then those school focused shows would more or less be making up for the things that they failed to experience while in school. Sumioka states that these shows leave the viewer with the mentality of someone that age, but reaching that mentality in the first place is necessary for development.

Since there isn't research to support any side of the debate, it could turn out that he is monstrously wrong and that these high school SoL shows have a powerful therapeutic benefit for those who were unable to socialize properly in high school and prepare them to re-enter society. Individual cases of hikkiNEETs get media attention, but pervasive study of the population to discover why people fall into that mode and how to bring them out of it have not been conducted. Although the mouse utopia experiments seem to suggest a model for explaining the why that aligns with the overcrowding and partial post-scarcity environment of Japanese urban centers.

I mean you say that but people tend to be social creatures. People need some sort of social engagement and whether SOL is a good replacement for that I'm not convinced.

You are making it out to be a choice between anime and social life.
But it is really two choices.
Anime vs no anime.
Social life vs no social life.

In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if encouraging anti-socials to become social is bad for them.
Social people are more inclined to degeneracy for the sake of their social lives, such as, but not limited to, alcohol, drugs, sex, social media, etc... These are things that lead to people being antisocial, and it's nothing to do with anime. In which case, you could see anime is a product which improves their lives, not worsen.

Anyone who argues that you should be more outgoing while ignoring these outcomes of being outgoing are just showing bias.

I mean you could argue alright that these shows are compensating for an experience that the individual never experienced themselves but you could also look at it from the point of view that it's a weird perversion of the past. An inability to let go of a bad experience so the viewer rewatches shows of an ideal school life they never had. This isn't even living in the past but living in an imagined ideal past. Either way I've not seen any research on this so it could go either way to be honest.

Not all of them work in my favourite studio though.

Because they're dead.

Battle shonen isnt escapism its for entertaining your brain with violence retard.

>Battle shonen isnt escapism
That word doesn't mean what you think it means.

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Well I'm specifically referring to individuals who are shunning a social life for anime.

The school setting is the least interesting part of Kyoani's best productions.

And that does not happen.
That is a story that people like to tell themselves about anime fans, but it is just not real.

Its a bit of a strong word to refer to those things as degeneracy. Also you can be social without engaging in any of those things. Do anti-socials not like drugs,sex and alcohol?

That's my core point, there is just no evidence to support the claims Sumioka made. There are anecdotal reports in this thread from people who have been impacted positively by SoL media and I doubt it would be impossible to find the opposite sort of case, so the truth of the matter lies in the percentages, the overall effect on populations. Without this being studied, any statement about a conclusion, such as calling SoL worse than drugs, is pure bullshit artistry almost certainly being vomited forth as virtue signalling.

Surely it has to be true to some degree. Whether its a large enough number to be significant remains to be seen.

He's not wrong

we're still pretending that Kyoani are the only producers of moeshit?

People stay away from other people because they have trouble with them, not because they prefer talking to drawings.

True I would never make the statement that SOL anime is worse than drugs. That seems pretty obviously false. I would be very interested to see some research on whether its viewed by people who are generally more lonely or less social than the average person and even anime watcher or whether that's just an unfair image that's been cast on them.

Maybe not all of it is degeneracy. Excessive use of these are things that lead to violence, and there's established documented evidence of that. Tasting either of those things can lead to an addiction, and there's no pattern just to be sure. There's always a chance that you become an addict, be it sex, alcohol, or drugs. Those things are degeneracies, because they destroy lives, environments, culture.

Of course you can be an outcast and engage in those things, but then would you really be an outcast? You need contact with other people in order for the process to initiate.

>that these high school SoL shows have a powerful therapeutic benefit for those who were unable to socialize properly in high school and prepare them to re-enter society.
You could say this hasn't been disproven scientifically, but isn't it kind of obvious that it's wrong?

Any human that cant feel guilt can lie, the only reason empaths have issue lying casually is due to feeling guilty about the lies.

>isn't it kind of obvious that it's wrong?
How so?
Plenty of anons say that they have grown out of anime. So whatever anime was providing them was no longer needed at some point.

>however, there are no records of people prostituting themselves for money to buy slice of life anime, nor of violent street gangs controlling the supply of such materials, making the comparison a rather weak one.
What makes you think it does not exist?
For me, all moefags are whores already.

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What evidence is there to suggest that it's wrong? Personally, I've definitely become more social and more empathetic through my experience with anime, although I don't watch only SoL or moe shows. Anecdotal reports come in from all sorts of different angles, so what seems obvious to you may just be bias. Until it is studied rigorously, trying to draw any hard conclusion is a setup for folly.

Perhaps a comparable example would be exposure therapy for anxiety. The beginning stages of exposure are often to simulated experiences such as watching videos of the object of anxiety or touching toy facsimiles in cases of aversion to animals. In the same way, these SoL shows could be providing a beneficial simulation to those with social anxieties. To say nothing of how most of these shows, when they do have messages at all, promote the importance of positive values. Damn near every single one seems to push the idea of social interaction as important and rewarding.

>uneducated
he has a degree in philosophy, nigga.
I know you are mad but c'mon at least attack his arguments and not the person.

>claiming that the studio’s focus on slice of life anime set in schools was a way of emotionally exploiting people who were unfortunate enough to have lacked a normal school life during their childhood (whether it be due to bullying or a hikikomori lifestyle), allowing them to live vicariously through the characters.
Haha, no it's not like that at all.

Not him but the arguments are kinda weak, would've liked to read the whole column though

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Nice LN titles my dude. Too bad they didn't get adapted.

Yeah, working at mcdonald’s Is better.

>slice of life anime set in schools was a way of emotionally exploiting people who were unfortunate enough to have lacked a normal school life during their childhood (whether it be due to bullying or a hikikomori lifestyle), allowing them to live vicariously through the characters.
There is literally nothing wrong with that. Why force people to stay within the gloomy shadows of reality when all people need nowadays is a bit of a break.
Living like a normalfag is like leaving the Matrix but still taking the bluepill. Surely suffering whilst living like a sheep is no better than indulging in a fantasy for a better world?

>uses the term boomer like a good gen z boy
>probably under 20
Tell us more.

The worst thing you faggots do is try to pretend being a loser who watches very slightly different TV than other people makes you part of some ridiculous movement

>Lmao imagine devoting your life to X, not as a hobby but as a lifestyle. Your life is so dull that you want to bring down others with you. That's what these people are, and it's sad.

What is X? X is whatever a 19 year old zoomer like you doesn't think is cool and hip. Wait do people still say that? Or would it be "lit" nowdays? Ok let me re-phrase that. X is whatever a 19 year old zoomer like you doesn't think is lit.

But he stated that the claim was uneducated, not the professor himself. If we consider that there is no research backing the claim, I'd say he's correct in calling it uneducated.

I have more respect for food service workers than useless academics. This professor probably gets a much better lifestyle out of peddling artisanal bullshit, but you didn't really describe what you meant by better. Socially, the man handing me a burger has far greater value than the idiot calling SoL anime more exploitative than drugs.

>Imagine devoting your life to studying numbers
Y-you too

>being a loser who watches very slightly different TV than other people makes you part of some ridiculous movement
Where have I made this claim? I'd be delighted to know.

>There is literally nothing wrong with that. Why force people to stay within the gloomy shadows of reality when all people need nowadays is a bit of a break.
>Living like a normalfag is like leaving the Matrix but still taking the bluepill. Surely suffering whilst living like a sheep is no better than indulging in a fantasy for a better world?

I don't see how that makes me part of any movement at all. What I decide to do with my own life is none of your business, likewise I should not collectivise people who share a similar lifestyle as I do, because I do not speak for them.

Based Japanese drug cartel

What are your favorite numbers?

>tfw you smoke a fat moe blunt

>Sumioka compared such shows to addictive drugs that allow “weak” viewers to wallow in fantasy; however, there are no records of people prostituting themselves for money to buy slice of life anime, nor of violent street gangs controlling the supply of such materials, making the comparison a rather weak one.
>however, there are no records of people prostituting themselves for money to buy slice of life anime, nor of violent street gangs controlling the supply of such materials, making the comparison a rather weak one.
Daiz and Jacob?
My god, this explains everything.

Is there any better feeling than snorting a line of SoL off a dakimakura?

That's not funny. My aniki died of a moe overdose.

>Finding people who delve into books to study nothing but numbers to be dull and empty husks must mean that I'm a zoomer familiar with gen Z terminology.

>Ignoring that there are other ways to enjoy numbers that do not involve sacrificing all forms of entertainment.

I chuckled, then realized I'm going to hell just for that chuckle. I'll meet you there.

computable numbers

Most of us here popped our hell cherries a long time ago.
There used to be a time where lurking Yea Forums was obligatory before you went to the other boards, so you'd get your edgy phase done with and got ready for actual "discussion".

>I haven't consumed that much japanese media outside of anime manga, but in the few of those i did consume, i noticed that they tend to try to tell you a lot what to think.
Well they have a almost constant PiP with person showing how you should react.

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Have sex. Literally. There's your entertainment that you can do after you come home from your full time job teaching numbers.

Transcendental numbers

>Have sex.
Alternatively, watch anime. Or sew cute clothes and pretend to be a girl on the internet.
There are many paths to happiness.

>Having an opinion is "telling me what to think" and must be stopped
Unironic American education

One look at Yea Forums would tell you he's right.

Usually, people don't just write articles to voice their opinion for fun.

Based professor

picking haruhi and lucky star instead of eupho and free really shows he is a hater bandwagoner trying to shit on popular things

What's bad about Free!?

user did not imply that there was anything wrong with it.

And your argument is?
Seems like you are just mad because he picked your favrit anime.

Grow up.

Okay good

You will have to enlight me in how you can make an uneducated opinion while having a related degree in the topic.

You are literally moving the goalposts if you are wanting a research in the topic to just call it an educated opinion.

Btw I do consider necessary scientific evidence to support his claims of course.
My point is his opinion is far from uneducated.

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This liberal arts retard has clearly never done drugs nor watched over 10 series. He can come back and speak on the topic after he has done that. Coke and anime is pretty fun though.

Oh yeah, there's that as well, but i treat it differently. Spoonfeeding emotions is done in every single piece of media in many different ways, and i would say it is very much necessary for a work to be good to tell you what to feel through careful visuals or wording for books. But straight up telling you "isn't this funny?" is in a league of it's on in my opinion, because there is no effort involved or required and it counts on you being obedient to work, basically telling you "Laugh.".

The related degree would be psychology. He's making statements about the effects of anime on the human.
This is not covered by philosophy or media culture and movie theory.
>Btw I do consider necessary scientific evidence to support his claims of course.
He has provided nothing of the sort.

Your stance that his opinion is not uneducated, is as uneducated as his opinion.

>he can not talk about drugs if he has not done them.
Poisoning the well: the post.
Go buy a brain fucktard.

It's exaggerated but technically he's not wrong. Anime is a 'drug' that keeps people in their delusional fantasy worlds, as long as each season dumps content it'll be much easier to vegetate. Without anime that's one less piece of escapism to fuel your satisfaction but then again people would flock to other avenues of self indulgent .

>The related degree would be psychology.
Are claiming only psychology is related? user please.
Many humanity science share interest the same topics.

This argument falls flat as you can just swap moe slice of life with shounenshit, shoujoshit, or most other fantasy isekais (hell just put anime there) which almost always have characters that allows its viewers to live through them vicariously.

Moepigs would not be this assmad if they didn't know he was right

Are gay, might as well work with spaces of rational functions.

He doesn't have a degree in psychology, therefore his opinion on the psychological impact of SoL anime is uneducated on this topic. If he had written a paper related to anime, psychology, or escapism, he might have some relevance to this matter. However, simply having a degree in philosophy and researching movie theory does not make him educated on these topics.

If there is no research backing the claim, it is uneducated. The poster called the claim uneducated. I fail to see how what I've said moves the goalposts at all. The poster I responded to was the one to alter the argument by transferring the other poster's reference from the claim to the claimant as far as what is uneducated.

You are right. That doesn't change the validity of my point.

>I don't care about what happens on the east coast anyway

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He did not say those were not drugs.
Ae in acid?

You have to accept philosophy is one those related areas.

>transcendental numbers are gay
Yuri by the numbers.
It'll be the next big thing.

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Just because you have a degree in something, doesn't mean your opinion on the topic is educated.

To give an example, you could have someone with a degree in Computer Science who mainly focused on stuff like mathematics and programming, and doesn't know too much about IT server security.
Or someone with a degree in Physics who mainly focused on electronics, or maybe quantum physics, but doesn't too much about astro-physics.
So if he makes a statement on that, without informing himself properly first, his opinion is still uneducated.

No.
All the things he has studied are tangentially related (and I have admitted as much further above), but

He is wrong calling them dealers. They are the manufacturers. He is also wrong in generalizing the worst outcomes as the norm, although same can be said about those who prefer to fuss about the chemical kind drugs.

Whatever you say, pothead.

Damn auto-post. I was in the middle of editing that stupid text.
[] but given what he wrote and the way he wrote it, I very much doubt that he actually studied that sort of thing. And none of his qualifications have informed him on drugs for example. And apparently he also knows little of KyoAni's work since he speaks of middle schoolers.

>they aren't as real in Japan
It isn't even that hard to find junkies in japan. Just go to public bathrooms outside of tourist traps in 3 AM.

Well then, anime/manga is inherently an escapist medium. Hell, its probably the reason why it even exists in the first place. Big fucking whoop. Blast all the studios then. Why single out KyoAni? He's like those western old farts 8 years ago who complain anime is making the kids behaving irregularly and picking the most popular anime + single out the weirdest weirdos as an example.

Nope.

Gundam and Yamato were not (only) escapism. They had real ideas and a clear aesthetic purpose. Nothing like K-On which is no more than emotional pornography

>Sumioka wrote a column for the “Insight Now!” website, claiming that the studio’s focus on slice of life anime set in schools was a way of emotionally exploiting people who were unfortunate enough to have lacked a normal school life during their childhood (whether it be due to bullying or a hikikomori lifestyle), allowing them to live vicariously through the characters.

He is right. I definitely lacked giant zombie invasions in my childhood. This world is bullying me.

>TV full of "reality" shit that literally has no value in any imaginable sense at all
>complaining about anything

really airing that at a time the nips banded together to support kyoani?
nevermind sentimental bs like 'distasteful to the dead' , this is absolute suicide since virtue signalling towards the worst masskilling japan has since ww2 is on a maximum level right now
only edgelords who have nothing to lose should do that, but not only a normalfag job but a fucking professor who has TONS to lose when it comes to bad rep?
someone definitely lacked the braincells to think it through

It’s not pharma backed

It was 101% pharma started. Only after they started regulating the prescriptions it really turned to the shitshow it now is.

>A university professor in Japan has come under fire for suggesting that Kyoto Animation’s focus on slice of life school stories is akin to selling people drugs.
>come under fire

Yuri is truly the future and it shall be amazing.

Anyone who thinks there's more to life than escapism is a retard

Scumbag Reddit newshit.

Life is just escapism from death.

He's right

Starting with (You)

>reading fiction

>philosopher , media culture theory , film studies researcher
Might as well have a major in gender studies. Seriously who the fuck takes any of this shit at face value?

Philistine

>Nobody in this thread has read what he wrote

And anime is escapism from life. What's escapism from anime then?

>that exposed 2% of an underline
Ooh, that upsets me. It's making me feel itchy.

>Sumioka wrote a column for the “Insight Now!” website, claiming that the studio’s focus on slice of life anime set in schools was a way of emotionally exploiting people who were unfortunate enough to have lacked a normal school life during their childhood (whether it be due to bullying or a hikikomori lifestyle), allowing them to live vicariously through the characters.
Well you find tons of retards everywhere who insert their own view on the actions of others, psychology "studies" are practically fanfiction on humanity.

I like my school setting anime because 2D girls in school uniforms are the most delicious. School uniforms and panty shots are the soul of anime

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Romcoms are way more dangerous than SoL, because they shape the way people see human relationships and delve into the desire of getting what is portrayed as the best goal in life: a wealthy/beautiful lover who promises you a total and complete loyalty after many stupid misunderstandings and melodrama. SoL is just routines so random and common that you identify yourself with those: go to shopping, discuss a book, play a video game, we all do that shit alone or in company. What we don’t do is being the romantic interest of this beautiful wealthy annoying person who creates conflict for the sake of pursuing you. Even more, SoL is way more healthy than shojo.

>Sumioka wrote a column for the “Insight Now!” website, claiming that the studio’s focus on slice of life anime set in schools was a way of emotionally exploiting people who were unfortunate enough to have lacked a normal school life during their childhood (whether it be due to bullying or a hikikomori lifestyle), allowing them to live vicariously through the characters.

>He explained that these such shows would leave watchers with a mentality of a middle/high schooler; Lucky Star (directed by the late Yasuhiro Takemoto) and The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya were mentioned specifically.
How is this wrong?

Doesn't everybody do this? Most people are very fuzzy when it comes to telling the truth. You just don't register it unless someone is really good at it and taking it very far. The average person lies their ass off constantly, it's just shitty lies that people either don't care about or see through but don't bring up for strategic considerations.

I'm not a sociopath but I almost never tell the actual truth in conversation because it's generally more practical to tell a lie. Even when conveying information that is true it's almost always easier to get the point across by telling falsehoods that lead to the same conclusion.

I think you're just as much a liar as anybody else, just not aware of it.

>I dressed up as Konata and sucked my friend's dick after watching Lucky Star. So everyone else must have too!

Is all of their work K-On? Shit like Haruhi is escapist young adult fiction but you can say it had real ideas and the show definitely had an aesthetic purpose but it's singled out too.

>He explained that these such shows would leave watchers with a mentality of a middle/high schooler.
Well, I dunno. Seems like only yesterday my brother was blaring the Yakitate Japan OP from his phone, and he's a medical doctor nowadays.
I get that it's not exactly a high school anime, but I'd say it's comparable.
Boomer ass opinion.

>SOL BAD BECAUSE ESCAPISM
Isn't anime already escapism at it's peak?

You immediately thought about crossdressing and sucking another guy's dick? Is there something you want to tell us user?

>newfag

He's right about why Otakus the way they are but the drug analogy is stupid.

Does he really think Kyoani is the only studio making SoL? He probably only knows about it because of the fire.

How is it right? What studies could one cite to support those assertions? If there is no empirical basis for the claims, they are nothing more than unverified opinions made by someone ignorant of the subjects being discussed.

Average asian romance drama have fantasy scenario of a rich, bad boy falling in love with a plain as fuck woman

Cute things are cute. What a crybaby fag lel

KyoAni is a hot topic these days.
If he said any other studio it'd go under the radar, but now as you can see he's having his five minutes of fame.

Do you want people to kiss your ass for how “brave” and “provocative” you are?

Sounds like EXTREME generalization, if you ask me. Might as well criticize idolshit, entertainment program (especially those where the guest have fun conversation with another), Romance drama (Rich male, plain girl stuff), or anything for that matter.

And he say it as if these programs are brainwashing the watchers to be middle/highschoolers. Sounds like Alex jones tier conspiracy theorist.

Just to be fair, assumin that he is right that SOL will make people into middle/high schoolers, I wonder if it actually is that bad.
Is it really that bad to have some optimism, or naivete, especially in a culture so focused on being an "adult" (listening to superiors, not speaking out to make yourself a target, victim blaming). IF anything, I think that it should be a more of a thing, especially japanese school system put the students in such extreme pressure that they fucking kill themselves. He is criticizing SOL for the fact that they are exploiting those who never had a fulfilling school life, but whose fault is it really that they never got that fulfilling school life?

Is clickbait a big thing in Japan?

mad as HELL

>You are literally moving the goalposts
Wait, I'm confused, are we playing football or handegg?

He isn't even really wrong.
People are just mad at his timing.

I'm asking a serious question here.

It's unbelievably dumb to single out KyoAni as what he is saying can be applied to almost anything that panders to someone.

But for real, is it "wrong" to be childish?
Sure, its bad to be irresponsible, but what is wrong with simple naivete and optimism?

They all tell us to stop watching anime, its childish but we are all still here, after all. Sure its childish but why is that wrong?

Because you are supposed to become angry and bitter when you grow old like they did.

Life in Japan must be really terrible and depressing.

Based Professor is absolutely right.
But can't have that kind of wrong think in today's society because we live in a society.

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It doesn't really make much sense. First, surely what you should really worry about is when people stop trying to romanticise what seems to be a pretty crushing school system. Maybe if you are some sort of revolutionary ("Anime is the opium of the people") or whatever but complaining about "weak" people doesn't give that feel. Second, the Keions at least are pretty marginalised people who are members of a club nobody wants to join. You could say Mio has popularity thrust upon her but she doesn't exactly run with it. It has modest narrative goals about the importance of finding community with like-minded people as part of growing up ("Live House" moves this on a step), that isn't a bad message for kids having a hard time. Third, fun stuff is fun and on that basis Yui is twice the philosopher this guy is.

>moefags still seething
Maybe we should hunt and beat you all up like a rabid dog you are.

He is entirely wrong.

But i am already that even though i am only 29.

What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I'll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I've been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I'm the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You're fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that's just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little "clever" comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn't, you didn't, and now you're paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You're fucking dead, kiddo.

>depressing
Yes and no.
Expressing yourself too vibrantly (as is done in anime) is extremely frowned upon.
Standing out in anyway is frowned upon. Mental disorders and quirky personalities are frowned upon. Though I'm sure your family will accept the latter to avoid telling their friends that you have the former.

There is a reason that one of the most culturally repressive hierarchical right wing societies on the planet somehow also manages to produce some of the biggest degenerates on the planet.
When people break free, they break a little too free.

Anime addiction will get the video game treatment one day.
Classification as an actual disease.

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Frankly it is. Why do you think there are so many isekai escapist story?
there are like 70% isekai story written toward teenagers with power fantasy and 20% isekai story with some form dead salary man and slow life aspect with 10% others.

Japanese and asian culture is all about shutting the fuck up and sucking up to people with higher social position. anybody would be bitter and tired in that kind of culture

Thank you Saten.

>Though I'm sure your family will accept the latter to avoid telling their friends that you have the former.
You can be too sure. One of the most popular phrases in that kind of family is "Like, cant you just put in more EFFORT to NOT be that way??"
They think that mental disorder is a choice, or that they are crazy people who should not be dealt with at all.

>A university professor in Japan has come under fire
CARLOS

Moepigs definitely not angry and bitter at all

The porfessor is somewhat right.
No wonder anime is all about self-insert Mc bullshit

>Sumioka compared such shows to addictive drugs that allow “weak” viewers to wallow in fantasy; however, there are no records of people prostituting themselves for money to buy slice of life anime, nor of violent street gangs controlling the supply of such materials, making the comparison a rather weak one.
WHAT THE HELL?

>Specifically calling out the one studio just hit by terrorist attack, out of all the possible SoL-focused anime out there.
Gee, I wonder if this timing of his criticism was why people think it was in bad taste

>nor of violent street gangs controlling the supply of such materials
Technically, Yakuza orgs do publish manga. Mostly about themselves.

He's not wrong, but hey
fuck you, professor

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I love kyoani but its true.

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>there are no records of people prostituting themselves for money to buy slice of life anime
We must spread this

Most japs mens even not being otaku are fucking betas.
The fucking stressful society of nipland helps to wrose the problem
People dont procreate but using only anime as cause is idiot.
Sadly Gaijins will finds a way and procreate in japan.

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>mens

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underrated

All entertainment is escapism to some degree
Talk about a hack professor

He's just bitter because his grandsons are watching kyoAni moeblob anime.

I'd prostitute myself out for K-On! season 3

What a fucking shitbag. How dare he say something like that. Bastard deserves to be fired.

At this point greater self awareness of psychological issues would destroy them.

Imagine a culture surveying its cultural output and realizing about 90% of it is blatantly obvious repression that everyone else in the world has been shrugging at and you had no idea. Half of it is Horishima and losing the war, the other half is kawaii shit (the victorian cult of innocence by another name, its a displacement of your own sense of degeneracy and repression). I find the former quite depressing in anime, its like someone finding ways to win an argument they lost 20 years ago with someone who is already dead. Godzilla was fun but hiding your city in a geofront or moving your islands around or having nanotech that eats radiation, its just really sad past a certain point. Asuka, just stop please, stop.

Imagine having to face that. No thanks.

>media culture theory , film studies researcher
Sounds like he's some butthurt nip who's sad that the cartoons made in his country are more interesting than their film industry.
If you were going for something irrelevant, should've gone for "anime studies researcher" instead bruh

I wish I could fart in your face.
that could far more intelligent than your stupid rant.

You need to resist both impulses. K-On!! is great because it ends. Kyoani were smart about how they did the movie. Don't wish for it be ruined, just watch a Star Wars sequel if you get these urges again.

Prostitution is less bad but also not a good idea.

Comparing any form of entertaintainment to "drugs" is a real skin deep analyzation.

kek, I said no lie though

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japs are cucks after all
I missed the ww2 era of based japs

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>they were worried about potential harm coming to Professor Sumioka.
KyoAnus fans are fucking murderers. What the fuck is up with you people

I mean he's kind of speaking the truth

I was hoping for a more localized version of this pasta, to melt with the rest of Yea Forums you know.

>people died so you can't criticize the product of their employers
This is how you get people afraid to criticize Israel because muh Holocaust

nah, the "based japs" of then were dumb as hell with how pointlessly they threw away their lives, how barbarian they were (do you know how chinks nowadays are frowned upon as bug people, incapable of empathy? The "based japs" were exactly like that).
What we see today of pre-wwii Japan in anime is mostly a romanticization. Samurais weren't that cool, katanas are actually shitty swords, etc etc etc.
It was the western influence that made them palatable for us. It was american influence on them that made "japanese culture" so interesting to us, because americans made fucking sure they softened the rough edges that they hated.
God Bless America for giving us the Japan of today.

>emotionally exploiting people who were unfortunate enough to have lacked a normal school life during their childhood (whether it be due to bullying or a hikikomori lifestyle), allowing them to live vicariously through the characters.
what a retard, he could have said something about isekai instead

Well no, you get that from a giant Zionist political lobby that ruins the lives of anyone who dares to speak out against Israeli war crimes and persuades countries to make it illegal to question the holohoax. Most people laugh at Jews in ovens jokes, but they can't speak out against Israel because Israelis own their political caste.

Oh man, I love getting my neuropsychology analyses from media culture theory and film studies researchers.

You just admit it that Japan is depressing.

>There is a reason that one of the most culturally repressive hierarchical right wing societies on the planet

Japan has been 50/50 on progressive/right-wing ideals.

The arsonist was result of this.
Japan dont give a shit about this topic
Better blaming the parents or even anime.

>he studio’s focus on slice of life anime set in schools was a way of emotionally exploiting people who were unfortunate enough to have lacked a normal school life during their childhood
This is correct

After the Olympics Japan needs a fuckton riot immediately.

>tragedy happens
>some "genius" thinks it's a good idea to publicly say they deserve it
>another genius publishes his words so they both look like retards

Why are people like this

They hated him because he spoke the truth.
t. had a normal k-12 and uni with friends, but still watch sol sometimes because what happens *after* school that is horrible. Then again, being in school in this day in age must be horrible too. Sorry, faggots.

The idea that media tries to sell you experiences, especially those that you may have missed out on or will never go through, is hardly a groundbreaking one, nor is it at all limited to KyoAni's works.

Real life is more like evangelion than moe shit, so I can't really find moe irl.

This sounds like something you'd make up, but the professor is by no means wrong.

Did I miss the shitstorm?
Why is nobody talking about yamakan’s post?
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tl;tr:
I (yamakan) have warned them (kyoani) years ago that amine shouldn’t cater the “madness” on the internet but they’ve never listened.
That’s the reason why I left and why the fire happened.

UH OH

Neo-Yea Forums doesn't care about Yamakan

Dangerously redpilled.

Everything that's fun can be criticized exactly like this.
Video games for example are always trying to ride that line of being intentionally addicting and a replacement for reality. Who fucking cares.

By madness he means mentally ill homos right? Because that’s literally all KyoAni has done for the past years.

>“KyoAni Are Like Drug Dealers!”
So he's saying that KyoAni produces shows that are as addicting as drugs are? That's a compliment if I've ever heard one.

狂気 is a general word. I have no idea what he referred to.

I can’t see what else he could possibly be referring to, they haven’t done moe in years. Why doesn’t everyone just come out and say it instead of trying to blame otaku?

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Not really. Yamakan left long before they started to do yuri and fujo.

>He explained that these such shows would leave watchers with a mentality of a middle/high schooler
These shows helped me open up and make friends after spending my youth as a loner. Seems like a healthy mentality to me.

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I agree with you desu

Seeing everyone that is a fan of these shows inflating the drama of this tragedy was annoying, it is of course sad --undeniably so-- but it would you people care the same if it were not directed at an anime studio that fuels your escapism? Almost certainly not, I suspect.
The reaction to this guy's thoughts on the tragedy, specifically in this thread, is very well proving his point. Think of it as a Drunkard denying he has a problem when faced with the truth. You guys insult his academic titles, and him being considered a philosopher with baseless generalizations like This sentiment expressed by Sumioka is admittedly not new, nor will it in the end solve anything. The very people he criticises will insult him and, threaten him, and then continue to watch their cute little girls have kawaii moments with eachother, completely disregarding him as an asshole. This does not include everyone, but the collective reaction I have noticed from anyone else questioning the relevance of the KyoAni fire has been overwhelmingly scornful to anyone that doesnt see how this has garnered the attention and support it has. This is not including those who make jokes about the tragedy, the responses they recieve are to be expected.

TLDR Chill niggas is just a tv show like damm ahahaa

See you in hell.

So he’s blaming the studio for making moe instead of the mentally ill normalfags who hate it enough to send death threats and burn down a studio because of it? And then calling the victims mad as well. What a faggot. What does catering have to do with anything when it’s the mentally ill normalfags who are “mad” enough to kill you over it.

>mentally ill
>normalfags
Think before you type user-kun

Video games are a bit of a different matter because the intrinsic goal-reward system of a game is aligned very closely to the basis for behavioral learning and thus presents a stronger potential for habit formation

Normalfags are mentally ill. At least by their own definition that they try to force upon everyone and everything else that they don’t like. Western “medicine” is a joke.

whatever you say incel

Back to r*ddit normalfag

Oh no he said the R word, whatever will I do

HAVE SEX

Dilate

he's right though

Where do I sign up to join the Moe underground?

Hey abe can Iove to Japan and become Tony Montana of Japann and snort mountains of moe?

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I hope he gets fired for taking advantage of the situation to say bullshit

He is correct. Except he misinterprets the defenition of "drugs" kyoani makes. KyoAni makes Therapeutic drugs - they are prescribed for healing people of their negative conditions. Its the one studio that made people better and mentally healthier and preached being a better person and social virtues.

being perfectly honest, he is right. i only watch anime in search for shows that create the "void" feeling in me like when i first got into this hobby all those years ago, its practically a drug to me since i cant stop watching anime out of regret of missing out on that feeling again and i can confirm slice of life shows are the ones that have produced the void most times in my experience. still, coming out with this article after such tragedy gives otaku a perfect excuse to shut him up without doing some introspection. maybe if he didnt specifically target kyoani in his article and made a more general take it would be a interesting conversion starting, he probably wanted to stir shit

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Just because they're not as effective in putting people in a stupor doesn't mean they cause the violence in the first place though

shit man

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So, what, violent games just aren't as good? Fine to get rid of them then

>, claiming that the studio’s focus on slice of life anime set in schools was a way of emotionally exploiting people who were unfortunate enough to have lacked a normal school life
>lacked a normal school life
>slice of life
>normal school life
It's official, if you didn't have a Toradora-esque highschool romance, or have cute adventures with your friends in an after school club, if highschool was boring and you couldn't wait to go home every day, then you didn't have a normal school life

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No, it just means that they don't lull them into complacency as much, doesn't mean they cause it

based
anybody archived a translated version of the article?

escapism is called escapism for a reason you retard
the problem is if escapism is abusing some psychological trick to get you hooked

Slices of life with cute girls doing cute girls could be the loot-boxes of anime making weak brainlets addicted

Seems like you agree that they *do* cause violence though, if only indirectly by causing their to be fewer nonviolent games

They don't corellate though, just because a drug is not as effective or strong as another one doesn't mean it has the opposite effect of that one.

>Slices of life with cute girls doing cute girls could be the loot-boxes of anime

Watching SoL anime is the same thing as gambling?

That's bullshit. I only watch school SoL to escape my current monotonous existence, not to make up for my past monotonous high school existence.

>Though I never get what I'm "supposed" to do instead of reading and writing fiction. Become a tenured professor, I guess
If you write fiction then "escapism" as daydreaming scenes and characters 24x7 is allowed asuming that you are good at it and you would be able to sell enough works to feed yourself.

Maybe a better comparison is to food. In the era before enriched salt cretinism was very common, but after they added iodine it became nearly unheard of. You could say that non-iodized salt "causes" cretinism, merely because it means not having iodized salt

>food analogies
No user, if something does something less than another thing doesn't mean it's completely the opposite

Escapism means a work with no value except "wouldn't it be fun to do X like they are." It's not the same thing as using your imagination, closer to the opposite

>He's claiming that the SoL anime are contributing to their maladjustment or at the least causing them to remain stagnant. It's possible that he's correct, but at this point he's just talking out of his ass because actual researchers like psychologists have not studied the impact of escapist media. One could just as easily argue that the SoL are providing the poorly adjusted individuals with positive social training or that the relief of the escapist media acts as a release valve for stress which might otherwise lead to total breakdown.
Actually I think that there is reasearch about sitcoms and rotcoms like Dr. House, Friends, etc, that show exactly that.
Anime slices of life could have a similar effect or even more exagerated considering that they tend to be more endearing.

Intrusive daydreaming is a form of escapism that uses a lot of imagination.

I didn't say it was completely the opposite. They only have to displace nonviolent games to result in more crime than there would have been if they were banned

Could it also be that violent games are less popular and thus less effective? I mean I don't know someone that killed because of them that wasn't already a fuckup with a hit list

Maybe but doesn't make much of a difference, does it?

Also I think the study controlled for popularity but I'm not certain about that

Yeah it does, devs don't want their games to be unpopular, and if they are, they can't affect people as much thus the effect that you state that correlates with violence is because it doesn't reach as many people instead of directly causing it

What difference does it make if the effect is direct or not? It still happens

Based professor

It happens because they're not as popular in today's market, but that doesn't mean they don't work on those that play them already. Games don't have a quota every year, you can have 10 peaceful games and a violent one, and next year half as many peaceful ones. A violent game doesn't take up the space of a normal one, it sates its own smaller audience

based professor

The age of shonen chads is here lads

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That would just mean game popularity *in general* would be correlated with declines in offending, but that's not the result. Equally popular nonviolent games stop more crime than violent ones

>Studio burnt down
>I'm going to publish a hit-piece on the studio that just burnt down
I wonder if these things may be related and that, god forbid, the professor might be looking for some free publicity.

Even if they do and let's say I trust you on this, it doesn't mean it causes the crime other than just being less effective. It's like Concerta to Ritalin. Works on less people but it sure as hell works on those that it does have an effect to. Plus one drug existing doesn't negate the other either

>Sumioka compared such shows to addictive drugs that allow “weak” viewers to wallow in fantasy; however, there are no records of people prostituting themselves for money to buy slice of life anime, nor of violent street gangs controlling the supply of such materials, making the comparison a rather weak one.
And yet gotcha shit is way way worse but you don't see any nips complaining.

>would you people care the same if it were not directed at an anime studio that fuels your escapism?
Yes, actually. And that doesn't come from some high ground, because he targets a genre rather than the studio in particular.
But generally speaking, I enjoy proving people wrong, if I can.
>baseless generalizations like
I have no idea what you are talking about. Did you mean to quote a different post?
>very well proving his point.
I can only assume that you are baiting. "If a statement makes you angry that must mean that it is true?"
People do get angry when you hurl truthful accusations at them. That is true. But it is also true that hurling false accusations at people can make them angry. I don't believe for a second that you don't know that. So that's why I'm calling it bait.

I'm gonna stop you right there. Most psychologists are just bad philosophers, with a social science built around shakey foundations (Freud/Jung). Psychiatrists just peddlers drugs which have effects that are poorly understood. Neuroscientists have concrete ideas, but nothing that can be exactly extrapolated to social phenomenon.
Psychology and psychiatry are very close to total quackery.

Psst. Almost nobody practicing today would dare cite Freud or Jung.

Maybe not Frued, but the Jungian school still has its followers.
But the fact that the entire discipline was founded by men who's ideas are often disregarded, and that what replaced them was pretty shotty and maybe even worse, doesn't bode well. Something like 75% of psychological experiments are unrepeatable. And frankly, I don't the remaining 25% are in great shape. But look at a lot of the writing in the field today, it's shallow life affirming nonsense. At least Freud and Jung we're interesting to read.

Hey now, their film industry maybe is not as relevant as anime industry but they still make some good stuff.

>was a way of emotionally exploiting people who were unfortunate enough to have lacked a normal school life during their childhood (whether it be due to bullying or a hikikomori lifestyle), allowing them to live vicariously through the characters.

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Absolutely madman.

>hurr durr philosophy bad

Go back to your IFUCKINGLOVESCIENCE subreddit faggot.

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Otaku deserves every shit they get.

There is nothing wrong with escapism.
Or drugs.

Otakus are the ones that send death threats.

>that Heisenberg quote
The same guy whose name stands for a formula about how ambiguous the smallest units of matter are says that you can express them unambiguously?
I don't understand.

The guy who sent death threats and killed them was a mentally ill trainfag audiophile with a criminal history of armed robbery though, why don’t you normalfags go bother your own kind who does this shit? We’re harmless.

>The same guy whose name stands for a formula about how ambiguous the smallest units of matter are says that you can express them unambiguously?
"ideas which can be expressed unambiguously ONLY IN MATHEMATICAL LANGUAGE"
The uncertainty principle deals with real life, not mathematical language

>"ideas which can be expressed unambiguously ONLY IN MATHEMATICAL LANGUAGE"
Did you just imply that formulae are not mathematical language?
His formula that expresses ambiguity - "uncertainty".

>otakus were a mistake
>otakus are killing anime waah waah
Is he insane? How can he say that about the people who pay their bills? What's the fucking point of making anime if you don't want people to watch it? How does he plan to make a living then?

lel professors being faggots again

This is Yamakan. He's been like this since forever.

you do know that these liberal arts faggots are the ones who usually sperg out in the name of pop skience, right?

Why the fuck faggots on the right are even included?

No I implied that the quote talks about how the smallest forms of matter can only be expressed unambiguously in mathematical language, since in the physical world it is impossible to measure them ambiguously.

>The same guy whose name stands for a formula about how ambiguous the smallest units of matter are says that you can express them unambiguously?
yeah you cam express them like that, using his formula, which would be considered mathematical language.

You are ignoring the point I made. You are just restating the quote and refusing to accept the contextualization I made about how HE WROTE AN EQUATION (in mathematical language) that determines the AMBIGUITY of the smallest units of matter.

>yeah you cam express them like that,
That is to say, ambiguously.

Left side: men crafted out of pure science, genius and awesome
Right side: clueless hacks and con men

You can try to do it.

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Some parts of this might be wrong but unfortunately there is truth in what this professor is trying to say, especially with regards to the comparison with "addictive drugs".

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This

Sad to see all the losers in denial in this thread.

>he isnt wrong

your wrong

>suggesting that Kyoto Animation’s focus on slice of life school stories is akin to selling people drugs.
Well I mean he's right. There's nothing wrong with drugs though.

>violent criminal.
He became one when he burned down the studio, he was not one before. By retroactively reasoning like this normalfags like you avoid thinking about the actual causes of events.

Last I heard, the guy they collected had been in police custody before because of a robbery.

Psychoanalysis is itself a niche borderline area of psychology, and even worse than the rest of it.
It only got memed into public recognition by the charisma of the jew.

He's actually completely correct.

Anime is degenerate trash. I don't need Japs drawing little girls for me when I could draw little girls myself. The upside is that I won't have to put up with all the garbage they shoehorn into anime.

When you look beyond any individual characters inherent greatness, you start to realize how badly the Japs and Jews have mishandled the beautiful art.

Any character by themselves is potentially a beautiful work of art for all to enjoy. Once you put it in a Japs hands, and the Jap's brain begins formulating a story, dialogue, and creates motion between the characters... you always end up with a product that's worth so much less than what it could have potentially been.

Jap's were corrupt from the start, but it's the money which corrupted the art they produced, in the end. Hopefully the Chinese try harder.

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user, this isn't reddit.

He is

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He's not wrong. SOL is a form of escapism like every other anime. I'm not gonna stop watching them, though. Fuck normalfags.

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Imagine going into debt to pay a retard like this to "educate" you. Good to know higher education is a race to the bottom everywhere.

I've never seen someone strip the copper pipes out of old houses for anime money.

Well he's wrong to single slice-of-life out, as opposed to saying it of anime as a whole, or entertainment as a whole.

>Imagine going into debt to pay a retard like this
Imagine living in America where education isn't free.

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He had a criminal history of armed robbery, do your research before you criticize other people for being normalfags for not caring about the intentions and words of a mentally ill violent criminal who directly goes against your concept of “rehab” that you’ll never question the validity of regardless.

Modern philosophy is a load of bullshit. On the one side we have people essentially saying "whitey did it" in long form on an infinite loop and on the other we have dumb psycho-babble purely so they can dance around speech restrictions to say shit that's common sense ("clear your room", what a profound concept!!).

Sociology desperately needs to be thrown out of science more than anything though. I wouldn't call it a joke science on the basis it's no joke the terrible damage it's bullshit "studies" are inflicting on the west.

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Isekai is fine fuck off!

Well he is not wrong

>Modern philosophy is a lo

I am sure a faggot like you has a comprehensive idea of contemporary philosophy and your worthless generalization should be taken seriously. I bet you have discussed with many professional philosophers and don't base your bullshit claims in shit you saw on the internet right?

>o say shit that's common sense ("clear your room", what a profound concept!!).

Jordan Peter is not a philosopher. He has a degree in psychology and he is also a charlatan who appeals to insecure males. You clearly have no clue about what you are talking about.

I am not gonna read the rest of your garbage post, since if know the kind of retard you are.

Horishima? Gotta love how these self-proclaimed experts fuck up the second they have to mention something concrete.

While I do agree that philosophy has its place in the modern academic environment and the guy greatly generalized everything, you do sound upset that you wasted time and money on a worthless degree in social studies. Cry harder, faggot.

Didn't knew studying to be glorified code monkey was a social science. Thanks for the news.

If you studied coding you wouldn't be seething this hard, nice try philosocuck.

Not being a retard with tunnel vision is not exclusive to social science students.

Check out "Watsuji Tetsuro"
Thank me later.

That is correct. However, there's a difference between pointing out the mistakes in one's arguments and absolutely sperging out because he called a field of study useless. Most likely this is due to you being in that field of study, either that or you're a pompous plebbitor faggot who gets outraged at the sight of opinions you deem bellow of average intellect. So which one is it?

You know nothing.

>wallow in fantasy
Isn't that what you're supposed to fucking do when indulging in media?

>using anime to fulfill and heal your past wounds by satisfying that need for normalcy is a bad thing now
As long as someone doesn't take it to absurd levels, who the fuck cares? I highly regret not going to high school and watching slice of life anime makes me feel better about it.

Wanting to project themselves into anime is not a cause, but a symptom of the systematic social ills of Japan.

Blaming anime for sad people is the equivalent of blaming comicbooks for delinquency.

Imbecile.

>Teruaki Georges Sumioka
>Georges
Half white or something?

Are you implying that man should be paid to teach?

Why aren’t WE doing that?

You pay 50% income tax for "free" government services dipshit. You fuckers are always screeching in buyfag threads.

You have NO idea what real drug epidemic looks like. Our ERs are just pass through morgues some nights.

In the field of his expertise?
Sure, why not.
Just don't pay attention to the moronic garbage he spews about the things he hates.

Let's hear about some great modern philosophers, then, gentlemen. I'm not that user but I think he's totally correct, modern philosophy is fucking shit and a waste of time.

i'm just imagining some jacked up tweaker trying to rob a blockbuster at knifepoint shouting "WHERE ARE THE MOE BD'S, WHERE ARE THE SOL BD'S, WHERE THE FUCK IS K-ON"

>You pay 50% income tax
Not all for education.
A small portion of those 50% goes into giving every smart person the opportunity to make something out of themselves.
The rest of the income tax goes into other projects; though my government is notoriously bad at handling money. It's kind of funny. And sad.

>there is no evidence
The thing with things like influences of archetypes is that there won't be evidence to anything in that direction either way.
The method of """study""" and statistics is just not fit for something like that. It just isn't.
The only way to study it is to look at it and see that it is obviously the case.

>at knifepoint
A true anime fan uses a katana.

I rather not pay that much in taxes.

It's Yamakan dude, of course he talk like that

I was just correcting user's mistake. I wasn't trying to advocate for high taxes.
I think there is something to be said for public projects, but it would be a lengthy and boring discussion and not fit into this thread at all.

>X isnt escapism its for entertaining
>X isn't escapism = X for entertaining
So you are saying that escapism can't entertain people?

If only you could download drugs

Not him but I'll say my piece: I think that the way things work here in the US is pretty bad for a lot of people but I don't think expanding the social safety net and establishing universal healthcare is feasible simply because our southern border provides us with a bigger immigration problem than probably any country Europe. I don't think you can have strong social services without a strong border, and the US will never be able to fix its border problem at this point so there's no hope for a strong universal healthcare system or anything like that. I wish the US could be fixed but that ship has sailed; frankly, I'm trying to get out of here.

Isn't sound drugs a thing now?

High taxes work if people like each other in their country. If I lived in US I'd never want to share my money with at least 44% of people so I'd support low taxes.

I guess but that would imply that all anime is like that which it isn't. SOL, for the most part, is.

SOL, Harem, Romance, Shonen, and Isekai is.

The only things that are left then are your Evangelions, Penguindrums and Madokas.

>Proving that the phenomenon of apparently well-educated people making absurd statements is not limited to Western university professors,
Maybe the people saying this are just too dumb and uneducated to understand what the professors are saying.

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Not Tokyo University. Not Kyoto University. Literally who from shit university why bother?

Guy has 0 citations and probably abysmal h-index. Probably butt hurt

>show is about high school
>show was made for children
I don't see the problem. The studio doesn't control consumption of their product.

This 100%. Almost everything we do is escapism, and there is nothing wrong with that. How else am I supposed to spend my time alive, other than trying to subside the suffering that comes with being alive?

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He's completely fucking right but Kyoani isn't hurting anyone with provinding an escapism like that, it's not like drugs that actually hurt you, in fact being able to cope with a bad experience is good for you.

It's a way of healing yourself, kyoani is a healer

>"KyoAni Are Like Drug Dealers!"

If I could rail oxytocin for a chemical hug, I'd do it in a heartbeat. Alas, I have to dribble it into my system in little doses, via CGDCT.

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Old people and their selfish views are killing Japan's youth and future.

>we're harmless.
Yeah no you are not. Have you seen how crazy those idolfags get? Alsp the guy was train otaku and not a normalfag.

you're

>The only way to study it is to take my word for it when I talk out of my ass because the claim I am making cannot be supported with objective evidence. Because I said it, it's obviously true.
This is exactly why philosophers do not have respect these days, and why they do not deserve respect.

>Sumioka graduated with a Master’s degree in philosophy from the University of Tokyo and a PhD in fine arts from Tokyo University of the Arts.
>de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teruaki_Georges_Sumioka

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>yes goy, anime is like doing drugs! You should spend more time in slot machines and fuel the economy, get in line!

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you guys are a bunch of retards

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> implying anime is not a purely commercial endeavor

no correlation.

dann nigga got told hard haha.
How fucking dumb can you be?

Would you care about an older woman dying if she hadn't provided you with life and affection? No one thinks it's hypocritical to care more about your friends and family than strangers, so why is it hypocritical to care about things you know and that make you happy more than things you don't? I don't expect your average normal person to care about kyoani fire more than I care when I hear about random mass shootings.