Try not to cry
*tries*
*fails*
I shed tears for the time I wasted watching this
get out of the fucking way shinji I can't see your cute sister
Ok I didn't cry, now what?
>Rei's head is almost entirely blocked in this photo
what did anno mean by this?
She's literally in the background
forever
of the entire human race
that's what QRei is.
this
Shinji feels true happiness when he's with Asuka and the boys while Rei fucks off
I mean, it's no secret Anno hates Rei.
She's not really interested in doing human things and having this for herself, but has a lot of interest in why Shinji does things and what he wants. She participates to understand Shinji.
Eva would have been unbearably depressing for me if it weren't for those wholesome group shots.
Do you guys think Shinji considered Kaworu to be his best friend?
Like he was friends with Toji and Kensuke, but they were always pretty close to each other as best friends and he never got to really get to know them before shit went down.
I know EoE is an uplifting/hopeful ending with the message it conveys within Instrumentality and the final beach scene, but god damn is it so fucking bittersweet. I just want a relatively happy ending for the Shinji, Asuka, Toji, Misato, Rei, etc.
he's the only person who outright told Shinji he loved him, so I think Shinji was probably pretty affected by that
I think the actual "fuck you" to the audience EoE was supposedly be, was that it promised everybody would eventually get their happy endings but it didn't show it. And so we the audience were left hanging with the biggest case of blueballs in anime history.
No, I think what he felt with Kaworu was different than 'friend'. He was probably some weird pseudo-mother figure giving because of his unconditional love. I never was a huge fan of how Kaworu is a literal deus ex machin that comes in at the lowest possible point of Shinji's arc with Toji and the boys gone, him knowing Rei is a clone of his mother, Asuka comatose in the hospital and extremely depressed as a result of everything that happened in the past 6 or so episodes, etc.
I think a large part of his attachment to Kaworu is a result of his selfishness in wanting an unconditional relationship where he could just take the love and not have to give any in return, so as to not have to be emotionally vulnerable. He took that love, learned his lessons from this idealistic space God, and then is forced to apply the lessons he learned about self-love and reality from him in his everyday 'real' life with Asuka at the end and after the credits roll.
YES that's exactly how I feel, I just couldn't put it to words. The biggest example being Shinji and Asuka at the end. We see them finally learn their lessons and actually change as people on the beach.
Shinji is actively initiating rejection, facing it head-on, instead of running away and hiding from it.
Asuka is lovingly caressing Shinji in an accepting way, showing her true feelings inwardly and outwardly for the very first time in the show as opposed to pushing people away when things get too real.
We see that they now have the knowledge and opportunity to be honest with themselves and others. They have the opportunity to find love and happiness in reality while also accepting the pain that inevitably comes with it. And then the credits roll and we don't see how this 'happy ending' will play out, whether they start rebuilding society, form a closer relationship as friends, romantically, or if the pain of reality is just too much for them and they go different ways. I normally don't mind ambiguous endings but this one just honestly makes me seethe harder than ever.
Either Asuka or Toji are Shinji’s best friends.
Toji has Kensuke and Asuka is probably the furthest from what you could call a best friend
How is it unconditional, though?
In their very first meeting Kaworu told Shinji he needs to be more aware of his position, even noting how rude that is to say.
When Shinji was told this by other people previously in the Anime, he would get peeved and ignore them, but here he blushes and thinks on it.
Kaworu does the same thing later on in telling Shinji he should be happy he has a home with Misato and that he needs to stop running away from others.
This is all before he even tells Shinji he loves him, in fact Shinji is already taken by him and waiting for him after his sync test way before he's told he's loved.
And then we have the end of the episode where Shinji is betrayed, if it was just about having an unconditional relationship, then wouldn't Shinji just hate Kaworu? But we're shown after his death and in the next episode, and then again in EoE, Shinji still loves him.
It doesn't seem so selfish and one-sided to me when Shinji was even moreso involved in it than Kaworu.
Asuka is more representative of a lover that you can't understand and that can't understand you so you just keep slinging shit at each other until one or both of you gets hurt.
Half of them don't even appear in the rebuilds.
I think that if Anno weren't in a negative head space during the production of EoE we would have gotten a scene or a montage of everybody coming back to reality and maybe continuing with it, but since he was put off by the negative reception to the finale of the TV series, he retaliated by dangling the happy ending in front of people's noses without actually delivering.
And in that scene, Kaworu only claims to represent the words themselves, and wasn't invited to Shinji's imaginary year book photo. Which was prompted by Kaworu asking again if Shinji's sure he wouldn't rather die. Shinji likes how it sounds, but even he's gotten awareness that Kaworu's idea of love is very different than what he heard.
Unconditional, meaning that Kaworu loved Shinji no matter what he did or how he acted. That's exactly what Shinji wanted. To get love and affection without having to actually put in the effort and honestly express himself to the other party involved. His projection of Asuka in EoE straight up tells him that also.
I agree with you on Kaworu being an important character in helping Shinji develop though. He teaches him those lessons about hope, love, happiness despite the pain, etc. And once those lessons are learned from this idealistic being, he is forced to abandon him and try to apply them in reality with another real, flawed human being which thematically fits perfectly with the show.
That's the best take on the situation I've read. Full agreement.
Kaworu and Rei aren't in the picture because he's literally talking to them in that scene.
She's 'obscured' because the Rei he knew during the series (Rei 2) is different from the one he's talking with now (Rei 3)
Unless you're going to tell me people like Maya and Aoba had more of an effect on Shinji than Rei and Kaworu.
I had a gf who was like Asuka and Rei and let me tell you that shit was the worst.
They aren't in the picture because Anno didn't knew where he wanted to go with the franchise.
The animosity between Asuka and Shinji is the proof of how close they are. You don’t always like your best friend, especially if you’re fucked up like Shinji and Asuka are.
>Toji has Kensuke
You are allowed to have more than one best friend.
I believe Toji is closer to Shinji than Kensuke is for a similar reason Asuka is. They had a rocky start, but moved past that. Toji opened up to him when they visited Rei’s house. Kensuke remained oblivious to the pain of being of a pilot to end, while Toji understood all the way back in episode 3 or so, his connection with Shinji is strong.
This is not entirely wrong but they never develop a lover realtionship, even if both are attracted to each other. They are friends who crush on each other, while also being rivals. They have a complicated relationship really.
>who was like Asuka and Rei
Was she bipolar? Those two are literally on completely different ends of the spectrum
>To get love and affection without having to actually put in the effort and honestly express himself to the other party involved.
But this isn't what we're shown in the episode.
Kaworu is straight up criticizing Shinji's behavior since his very first scene, he's telling him to be more aware, to appreciate his home with Misato more, to stop avoiding others, etc.
This is all before he tells Shinji he 'loves' him.
On the contrary, it's Shinji who waits for Kaworu after his sync test, it's Shinji who asks Kaworu if he can sleepover. Shinji is the one being clingy here and taking the initiate to spend more time with this dude.
And it's Shinji who tells Kaworu about his past with his teacher, something he's never really done with anyone before.
The truth is Kaworu isn't actually very affectionate to Shinji in those first few scenes, he's actually kind of a jerk, but Shinji is taken with him anyway.
There's nothing about unconditional love here, he's just straight up acting like a schoolgirl with a crush on a boy.
All of them appear, just not in every movie.
>This is not entirely wrong but they never develop a lover realtionship, even if both are attracted to each other. They are friends who crush on each other, while also being rivals. They have a complicated relationship really.
Completely agreed. The duality in their relationship is one of my favorite parts about them desu. It's why I can't stand people that just examine their relationship and think that either
1) They only and explicitly hate each other
2) They only and explicitly crush on/love each other
They completely miss the point
I'm sorry user but Asuka and Shinji don't act like anything best friends act like, there's just no evidence in the show.
Toji has always been with Kensuke, Shinji still puts up a barrier around them, he's never able to get truly close to them or be completely comfortable around them. Pic related.
And then when Toji gets hurt Shinji doesn't have the guts to ever see his face again all the way up to him and Kensuke leaving town.
Yes, Kensuke and Toji were his friends and he cared about them. But the whole point of Shinji's character is he puts up an AT Field around everyone he meets and keeps a certain distance to prevent from getting hurt.
One of my favourite scene in EoE. "I want to meet them again". Whenever I feel like giving up, I remember this and those few people I truly care about. This unironically saved me in my shitty years.
>He teaches him those lessons about hope, love, happiness despite the pain
I'm not a fan of how all those lessons are taught in words only. Kaworu is just politely spelling out to Shinji what he should and shouldn't do, and Shinji just going along with it. I would prefer for Shinji to learn from example instead of just being lectured. When have words ever really worked on Shinji? it just seems like a weak way to get the message across.
I didn't see it as just words.
I think in Shinji's eyes if someone as 'perfect' as Kaworu thought he was worthy of being loved then he thought he could come to love himself too.
>I'm sorry user but Asuka and Shinji don't act like anything best friends act like, there's just no evidence in the show.
Not him. I see where you're coming from and maybe 'best friend' isn't the best way to put it. They had a crush on each other, were rivals, and desperately wanted one another to fill their own respective emotional voids, Asuka moreso than Shinji imo.
It's not like a strictly sexless relationship that two guys (Shinji and Toji) or two girls (Asuka and Hikari) have. They want to connect on a deeper level and grow closer, but are also afraid of this and either run or push each other away instead of displaying their real intentions. I think a large part of it is how relatable the two of them were too each other.
Both pilots, peers, have family issues, depression, but cope in completely different ways. Shinji by hiding and running away, Asuka by putting up a social mask to hide her actual feelings that she deems 'weak' because of her childhood. They are two sides of the same coin. Obviously, the fact that they can see parts of themselves in each other both hurts and hinders their bond.
I think the best way to put it is how Toji did in one of the later episodes. They act like an old married couple.
I wish we had more scenes between Shinji and Toji, especially during the 4th child recruitment. Shinji sensed something was off with Toji almost immediately which alone shows he was pretty attuned to his friend, but then the plot just kept separating them for reasons. And then we never even got to see any closure between the two. Did Shinji even know the extent of Toji's injuries?
Shinji is affected in exactly opposite manner by Kaworu, becoming convinced that he should die. There's an intervening two episodes or a movie before Shinji turns back from that without Kaworu.
cute
It's not about Shinji not being comfortable around his friends, it's about Shinji being uncomfortable around groups of people. This scene is about social anxiety in particular. Otherwise Shinji is shown to be completely comfortable around his friends and even looking forward to be with them, as long as it's just the three of them.
That doesn't have anything to do with Kaworu, though.
He straight up told Shinji to live on, saying humanity needs the future/needs to survive.
Kaworu's death just put Shinji at his absolute lowest where he tried to commit suicide, something he never had the 'strength' to do the entire series until that scene at the beginning of EoE.
Did you listen and learn Yea Forums?
He's comfortable around them to an extent.
>the whole point of Shinji's character is he puts up an AT Field around everyone he meets and keeps a certain distance to prevent from getting hurt.
He hates reifags. It's too much of a stretch to take what he said about Rei which was basically 'her character development finished when she smiled' to 'I hate Rei'.
This. If he hated Rei he wouldn't have given her so much focus in 2.0.
Rather I think it's Asuka who he's indifferent about now, he's regulated her to just being a side character.
He hates reifags because he can't understand why they like such a shit girl, so by extension he hates rei
>the glass breaking
>the soft instrumental of cruel angels thesis
Fuck even just thinking of gets me going
I think he disliked Reifags because they're attracted to their image of Rei instead of what Rei is.
Reifags are like Gendo too dumb to see what she's become, but Rei is like the Rei that told Gendo to fuck off.
Which he clearly didn't mean, because he was still talking about death being freedom and choosing to die being just the best, had been talking about the nonsensical effort people make for survival, and made no warning about the apocalypse set to go off without him. The only thing making it questionable as a deliberate move to bum Shinji out is that Kaworu would have to understand human psychology for that. Not really relevant to the point of Shinji not having learned the good shit from Kaworu, though.
>Thank you to my father
>Goodbye to my mother
>And to all the children
>because he was still talking about death being freedom and choosing to die being just the best
Yeah, for him.
Kaworu is the one who wants to die and has no will to live. It's because he recognizes that humans are so unlike him with their strong desire to survive that he thinks they deserve Earth more than him. It's in part why he comes to his conclusion not to kill everyone.
Kaworu is so in awe that humans rused him with Not-Adam in Terminal Dogma that he short circuits and gives up his will to survive. Why does this brainlet make me laugh so much?
Kaworu never had a will to survive. He says himself that life and death are of equal value to him, and he's astonished when he realizes that humans are different - that they're willing to even use Adam-like creations like Evas because they want to survive so badly.
This is why he surrenders, because he thinks humans fundamentally deserve to live over him simply because they want to.
Terrible message desu.
Fag
It's even worse when you realize Misato at the end of the episode said "Kaworu died for a false hope", meaning that humanity is a false hope.
Then everyone starts killing each other in EoE, making Kaworu's sacrifice completely useless.
This is right after they fucked up the kiss I think.
Yeah, next day. Asuka looking to Shinji looking to Rei's empty chair while she's absent doing dummy system experiments.
This actually saves it imo. Kaworu's sacrifice enforces the message that some deserve to live more than others, which is not only false but also the criteria they based this upon are at least uncomfortable. Humans being undeserving pieces of shit dismantles that terrible message, which is good. Gives the whole thing a bleaker tone, but it gives food for thought other than glorifying suicide or the mixed messaging regardig suicidal tendencies. Come to think of it, Kaworu's attitude regarding his own death throws off Shinji's entire character arc.
Asuka is looking at her computer though
>t. zoomer
go be a babby elsewhere
It was worse in the drafts, Kaworu was originally a cutter and the way they portrayed it seemed like they were totally glorifying suicide because he gave a real convincing argument for why people should just kill themselves
She still looks bummed out. She couldn't admit to herself what she wanted from Shinji, let alone be forward with it. And she took his non commited, ambiguous kiss back as rejection.
iirc the entire tone of the series starts to take a 180 after the kiss because Shinji and Asuka, the primary relationship for exploring the themes of the show imo, failed to establish an actual meaningful supportive bond since both are too scared of intimacy and honesty.
This whole post is a big yikes for me
I cried here
This is why editorial meddling is not such a bad thing in some cases, some creatives just need to be put on a leash sometimes.
The drafts are literally the faggiest Eva-thing I've ever come across. Even faggier than 10 rainbow piano duets from 3.0 put together.
>As Kaworu buttons the sleeve of his sailor suit, Shinji notices several lines of scars on Kaworu's wrist.
>KAWORU: Hey. Why were you crying earlier? Are you scared of the ocean
>SHINJI: I don't know….. I-I don't know. I just thought I'd like to sink into the ocean and die.
>KAWORU: Why……?
>SHINJI: To tell you the truth, I was avoiding you. Next to you, I'm such a pathetic excuse for a person…… I feel like I'm going to go crazy when I'm with you, but, when I can't see you…… I feel so, so anxious…… And when I thought about how you shouldn't spend your life with someone as pathetic as me…… I just felt like dying……
god damn that's fucking gay
It's true tho
unironically this
nice
Here's how I know you haven't rewatched Eva in a while.
This is a setting in which
>destrudo is a literal, measurable force
>antagonists march single-file to death with never a care for escaping
>secret plot is uniting God, man, and all life in death
>the fate of destruction is the joy of rebirth
>three-billion people scream rapturously to have their bodies destroyed and souls reaped
The Angels with lines aren't ever even corrected about the existence of a longing for death, that nothingness is an improvement if life is more negative than positive, humans only persisting by willful ignorance of their negative experiences, and this causing behavior in them irrational to their wants. They're just presented as maybe simplistic by comparison.
I think that when Shinji chickened out of strangling Asuka, and Asuka insults Shinji, but Shinji regrets (tears) his selfish lashing out, and Asuka cares about Shinji, that not only have things turned back to normal, but that things have improved post Third Impact.
OK brainlet
They completed their arcs, we just don't see the benefits or fruits of their struggles except for that brief glimpse on the beach.
Ok I didn't
Did Shinji really complete his arc, though? After everything he learned from Yui/Rei, etc. he just goes back to choking Asuka.
It's like he's learned nothing.
And any character development Asuka went through all happened off screen, so it just feels in-genuine.
I forgot
>apex of evolution is death
Best girl found
what the fuck is hyuga holding?
In my view, them learning that reality is worth choosing in hope of finding the happiness within it instead of escaping from it via their own coping mechanism (Shinji running away/hiding, Asuka putting up a social mask to hide her actual feelings and pushing others away).
Them completing their arcs was never about them becoming moral pariahs or completely overcoming their trauma. It was always about finally accepting reality for what it is and choosing to embrace it despite the pain that they will inevitably feel from making that decision. They both are still fucked up but are on the road to recovery.
Shinji, instead of running away or hiding because of his fear of rejection, instead faces it head-on by choking Asuka. I'm not even going to try to examine the why of him doing it because it's probably a conglomerate of 100 different reasons and emotions he was feeling at the time.
Asuka, instead of pushing others away and wearing a mask to hide her own desires for love and affection, instead reaches out lovingly in an honest show of herself for one of the first times in the show.
>Shinji, instead of running away or hiding because of his fear of rejection, instead faces it head-on by choking Asuka.
How? He's just doing the same thing he did earlier in EoE. He's trying to 'erase' a source of pain/rejection for him, thereby running away.
It's just showing he's learned nothing and is still the way he used to be.
And
>Asuka, instead of pushing others away and wearing a mask to hide her own desires for love and affection, instead reaches out lovingly in an honest show of herself for one of the first times in the show.
would be fine and good if we were actually show this on screen. Instead any character development Asuka had is never shown on screen or evidenced anywhere else and we're just supposed to speculate about it.
It just comes off as dishonest.
he completed his dramatic arc, that doesn't mean the same thing as completing his growth as a person. the relapse is thematically significant to the way the series portrays its message
The relapse kind of takes away from what just transpired during instrumentality and any revelations Shinji could have had there
Asuka lets him do it for for a good while before slowly and deliberately reaching to touch his face, then takes just as long again to react to him stopping. She's just as inscrutable as Shinji is there.
not at all, if you look at what the show is actually trying to say and how it portrays the human condition & struggle. the simple hero's journey structure is not the only way to tell a story of personal growth and wouldn't be appropriate here
>a passive girl that's all yours (mother)
>an annoying brat that don't know what she wants and has a lot of issues (a woman)
I think he's just sad people don't get that Rei is "the wrong choice".
Shinji never tried to 'erase' his problems, he simply ran away from them instead of facing them directly.
In a way that's sort of the point. They made these grand realizations but still show hesitancy to fully and unconditionally embrace them. Shinji with the choking and Asuka with the 'disgusting' as a result of her showing her unfiltered, actual feelings with the face caress
I think you're opinion on what women are is severely flawed
Is running away from them and pretending they don't exist not erasing?
He straight up murders everyone in eoe, do you not consider this erasing? He's facing a problem directly there, too.
And now once more he's trying to choke Asuka to death for a second time. He hasn't really changed at all, and that makes the previous revelations in the movie kind of meaningless.
I think Shinji has negative character growth. As the story progresses his characters flaws only worsen until they become debilitating at the end
If you cried to this, you are legitimately retarded.
Yeah. The ending is super ambiguous but you can still gleam the message out of it that talks about human suffering and the human condition, and finding happiness in spite of it all. It's not supposed to be easy.
The duality of the ending between them is just as substantial as the duality between Asuka and Shinji throughout the show
that's my opinion on women
>severely flawed
as real human beings are, but not Rei, she's your ideal anime girl that "loves" you, like your mom. We are all flawed but must learn to deal with it and find love, that's what I get from the show. tits or get the fuck out
>And any character development Asuka went through all happened off screen, so it just feels in-genuine.
Fucking this.
Every character in the show got some kind of conclusion to their character, but what they did to Asuka's character is a travesty.
She's somehow conscious only a couple minutes after we see her still in her coma, and then she suddenly sees her mom? This is a huge fucking asspull that makes no sense.
Then she fucking dies and she's offscreen until the very end of the movie, and we're supposed to believe she's developed as a character when we haven't been shown a single thing to evidence that?
I honestly think Anno has no interest in writing Asuka which is why he also sidelined her in Rebuild and 'completed' her character in one phone call with Misato in 2.0.
He gives Misato and Rei these compelling scenes that conclude their characters but gives absolutely nothing to Asuka. She's basically a plot device in EoE.
And I fucking hate it because she had so much potential in NGE, she was one of my favorite characters and Anno completely dropped the ball on her in the movie.
>she's your ideal anime girl that "loves" you, like your mom
She's nothing like this in the Anime. She's pretty cold and indifferent the majority of the time. She's a broken, abused girl who's so fucked up she can't even discern her own emotions inside of her.
How the ever loving fuck you came to the conclusion you did amazes me.
The truth is neither Asuka or Rei are anything like real women, they're both 'idealized' as Anime girls for the male viewers, the closest to a real woman would be Misato or Ritsuko.
>She's somehow conscious only a couple minutes after we see her still in her coma
Because she was only being sedated for being at risk of suicide. She wasn't in an actual coma.
>and then she suddenly sees her mom?
She was in a life or death situation so her mom's soul reached out to her. We see Unit 1/Yui going all berserker and shit when Shinji is about to die so I don't see how it's too far fetched.
There's a difference between physically destroying like he does in EoE and running away from the object of stress/rejection he does all the time in NGE. Both aren't 'good' but it shows him breaking his previous conditioning.
Did you watch EoE?
>She's a broken, abused girl who's so fucked up she can't even discern her own emotions inside of her.
>they're both 'idealized' as Anime girls for the male viewers
Ok you're retarded, and since you're not posting tits, I'l get out and leave you talking shit alone.
>She was in a life or death situation so her mom's soul reached out to her
But she's been in plenty before and her mom didn't do squat. Magma Diver, Arael, etc.
She's supposed to have a 0% sync rate at this point with her mother's soul closed away so it really is far fetched. It just comes out of nowhere.
Grow up.
Holy kek actually off yourself. Another delusional reifag
>and then she suddenly sees her mom? This is a huge fucking asspull that makes no sense.
shinji sees yui or rather feels her ghostly presence like the ethereal vision of kyoko in eoe when despairing and waiting to die in ep 16.
Yeah, after an entire of episode of Shinji delving into his inner thoughts. Plus we see Yui frequently go 'beserk' and control the Eva for him.
With Asuka it comes out of nowhere because we never see Kyoko go beserk for her, and it's been stated Kyoko's soul is locked away and Asuka's sync rate is 0%.
I wish we saw what her Instrumentality was like and what revelations she had to reject it. I'm fine enough with the off-screen implications but her and Shinji are my favorite characters, with their relationship being such a strong focal point on examining the human condition. Wish we had something more tangible.
it's established as something the souls inside evas can do, and it happens at a time of extreme emotional duress when asuka finds herself with all her vanity and pride stripped away
>it's been stated Kyoko's soul is locked away
kaworu says that it is sleeping with no further elaboration
Shinji doesn't have a best friend because he intentionally shuts himself off from other people
Do ho ho ho!
Considering Asuka is Anno's favorite girl/character and literally projects some of her qualities onto his qt wife I doubt HD doesn't have an interest in writing her well
As an abused kid, I can really resonate with the kids on a deep level. It feels like the creators were projecting some of their emotions / past onto this. Because it's really hard to understand these emotions (let alone express them properly on paper) if you've never experienced them.
that makes sense, really strong emotion in general is kinda hard to pin down in exact terms to begin with
She's my favorite character by far in NGE, and I can't help but look at eoe as wasted potential for her.
Every single character, even Fuyutsuki and Ritsuko had some sort of conclusion to their characters except Asuka. She didn't get anything.
I honestly wonder about that. If she really was his favorite, then why did he replace her with Shikinami and make her a minor character in Rebuild? Her character was resolved with a literal phone call with Misato in 2.0, it was horrible.
>literally projects some of her qualities onto his qt wife
You mean Misato, he even said before Misato is based on his first love.
Toji got absolutely no conclusion.
Toji didn't show up in eoe
But we're never shown Kyoko stepping in when Asuka was about to die before either.
Like with Magma Diver and Arael.
That's why it comes off as an asspull.
>kaji the KEK
Misato is dying to suck off Shinji big cock by that point
I'm pretty sure his 'first love' wasn't his current wife. There's that pic going around with him talking about his wife and her characterization is super similar to asuka. I could be wrong tho ofc
I know, I'm just saying it isn't the first time he's compared Misato to women he's had relationships with.
I've seen the pic and
>her characterization is super similar to asuka
It's just as relevant to Misato. Perhaps even moreso because he's talking about a grown woman, not a girl.
It could apply to at least one character in every single film/anime he's done, it's not exactly an obscure characterization.
He has a flashback of his actual mother while seeing a figure she had never resembled. Eva never claimed these things had the minds of alert and conscious human women, memes did that because giant robots moms are funny.
don't think of it in terms of physical duress, the emotional state is what's important. in eoe asuka, who has previously closed herself off to the eva to an extent, is in the eva while she's at her lowest, without her emotional barriers and false pretenses. by virtue of that she opens her heart to it, ironically like rei told to her to do in the elevator.
this is really just a small narrative contrivance, the series is filled with them, it's hardly one of eoe's noteworthy issues at all
Maybe she grew her hair out nigga
The scene where Misato went to fuck Kaji as soon as Shinji was rescued genuinely made me feel disgust
I don't understand why she forced herself to go there instead of following her heart and giving everything to Shinji already.
It would have fixed basically all of the series problems
On one hand, she did go a month without while waiting for the rescue and it's not like she'd get to take Shinji home that same day when she's feeling so relieved. On another, she maybe slept at the office and didn't go home at all that month.
Rei is an eldrich abomination that deserved to be hidden in the back.
Shinji's mind cares about his close school friends and Asuka.
Even the penguin has more human to human value.
Asuka progressively trashing her room more & more as she unravels is a great underrated touch.
Why would he appreciate anything Gendo did?
I honestly think Asuka is one of the most sympathetic characters in the show. Nobody gets shit on more than her
she had the least emotional support for sure
Kaworu died exercising his freedom of whether to live or die, not because of humanity's will. He'd been tricked his whole life, taught a false premise and purpose by SEELE. When he finally gets out he meets Shinji and develops sympathy for him and to some extent all of humanity. He decides to exercise his greatest freedom to give Shinji a chance at happiness m
So gay and moody. Tumblr would cream themselves over this.
The converse would be it's just as unfair to demand someone be your baby you can fuck. Spread those roles out, nevermind that they're all dad to her anyway.
Same
Rei gives shinji superpower and actually delivers, in the end she still watches over him. She's never a trouble for anyone and only helps.
She's not usual waifu material but that's precisely because she is a superior form of life. Ulysses doesn't fuck or marry Athena either.
They are bff
its okay to cry but only twice a year if you are a dude
Am I the only one that thinks that while the end means that they have what it takes to finally be happy, it simply comes way too late?
The world is destroyed along with the society in which the lessons they learned should help them live, they went through the 3rd impact filled with eldritch stuff that left them mentally scarred (just look at how they act on the beach) and they have to wait until others have the will to come back which mean being alone for how long?
I think the manga did it better where the world is remade and Asuka ask for help on the station and Shinji reaches for her to help her meaning they got over their issues and have a chance to be happy either together or by themselves.
>I think the manga did it better
That's why I hate and love EoE so much at the same time. The kids learned their lessons but they now live in a literal hellscape. I guess it's not as bad since they now have the capacity to grow as friends or romantic partners but God damn if isn't bittersweet.
It's the 'you can find happiness anywhere as long as you have the will to live' that Yui spouts but taken to the extreme.
>manga did it better
>implying reset ending were no one remember anything should even be acceptable
>her character development finished when she smiled
>Oh yeah ignore when she suicides with the N2 mine to save Shinji that's not an important scene at all
Anno is a faggot.
Didn't mean to phrase it like that but it was what came out mid work.
What I meant is that in the manga end they have a chance to apply what they learned about themselves even if they can't fully remember it. Asuka asks for help in the station no longer refusing to acknowledge that she needs others and Shinji reaches for her, a stranger, no longer being afraid of getting hurt by others.
In the end of the world scenario of EoE I question how useful that lesson will be without a society to live in or even other people other than each other (who knows how long it will take for other people wanting to return or if they even will) and I question how sane they are after all that crazy stuff and living alone on what is essentially a desert alien planet.
I wouldn't pay much attention to Yui's words She's Gendo cranked up to the max in levels of manipulation under a facade of a sympathetic person. She manipulated everyone and even fucked Shinji way more than Gendo ever did with the contact experiment just for the sake of becoming a goddess flying through space forever.
>Asuka asks for help in the station no longer refusing to acknowledge that she needs others and Shinji reaches for her, a stranger, no longer being afraid of getting hurt by others.
Because the thing that made them so broken in the first place wouldn't apply in this new world.
When first watching Eva I think the only time I cried was this scene. Not immediately though, I must have been in shock or something because I watched the ep in the evening, went about my day and then the day after while I was doing whatever I got reminded of it and just started sobbing uncontrollably and it went on and on. It was a weird experience that nearly got me sick. Recently upon rewatching EoE I did shed a tear during OP pic too though.
Just hide behind someone else, nobody will see you crying
The Rebuilds should have been about Shinji and Asuka rebuilding civilization.
Damn I never realized how much I wanted a WHOLESOME SoL of Shinji and Asuka rebuilding society and ensuing antics as they get on each other's nerves while others come back
I'm glad you agree mate, their relationship is a very interesting part of NGE, good to see someone else appreciates it in a non shipping way.
What a best friend is and acts like is a deeply personal notion. It's a kind of hard to fit any of Shinji relationships in an average notion of "best friends", which is something I don't even know how to define personally. So I'm just going with what personally makes sense to me and what I think would make sense to Shinji, from his point of view.
For example, his relationship with Rei is very tender, and neither has any animosity to each other, but it isn't very best friends like, you know? It's sort of formal, in a way. That's not the case with Asuka, there is no formalities in their relationship. They are always around each other, go through lots of shit together, banter on occasion and have these expectations about how they should or shouldn't act. Asuka even gets jealous when she sees Shinji hanging out with Rei on the train station. Yes, there is the whole romantic side to this, and how they are each others anima and animus, but they are best friends on a practical level.
As for Toji, his friendship is more "orthodox", so to speak, there is no constant conflict like Asuka has.
>the whole point of Shinji's character is he puts up an AT Field around everyone he meets and keeps a certain distance to prevent from getting hurt.
No user, the whole point of his arc is that he did let his barriers down and let people into his life, but ended up getting hurt by it, so much so that he finally broke down completely shut everyone off in EoE. Or are you implying he hid from everyone and never got hurt? Because that never happened.
Very well put user.