Was he a good antagonist?

"The Boss," yes.
Doppio, yes.
Diavolo, no.
King Crimson, absolutely.

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>like bro Kira is soo cool becase like he's realisitic and like hes so smart and cool!
BRAVO ARAKI for making Kira seem smart but then having him be a total retard just for the plot. Doesn't help that his part is boring and shit too.

The real good traste:
Pucci > Jobin > Valentine > Dio > DIO > Kars > Diavolo > Kira

>two weeks for a flashback episode

no he was absolute shit

His follow-through would have been a lot better if Araki hadn't fucked him over by having him immediately lose his body the moment he revealed himself. It tossed the focus off of him and onto stopping SCR and the arrow chase.

>Top
Pucci, Valentine, Part 6 DIO

>Mid
Diavolo, Kira, Part 3 DIO

>Bottom
Dio, Kars and the pillarmen

>seem smart
>one of the first things kira does is slobber on a severed hand in a crowded grocery store and get into a series of slapstick situations

>Part 6 DIO
Part 6 DIO is just Part 3 DIO after he got out of his coffin.

Jotaro dies in part 6

yeah this made it have a weird pace

Counterpoint, a JoJo villain is as dependant on having an interesting stand as they are on having an interesting character. DIO hangs around because "he stops time" is an interesting and intuitive premise.

Kars has an ok backstory, but his powers are either "has fancy knives" or "is overpowered". Diavolo likewise suffers from an inconsistent and initially confusing power.

he was just a man in his 30s with serious mental issues and a lot of power in a world where everything is dangerous.
He really didn't deserve to suffer that much

>Jotaro
About time

Doppio is pretty good

He was good until Araki made the retarded decision to body swap him

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As always, fpbp.

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i had a lot of fun with Doppio

Pretty much. You realize by the end that he's literally 21st century schizoid man. Maybe if we had seen more of how he ran the gang he'd seem more villainous, but by the end of the anime he's purely pathetic.

A bitch ass coward is anything but a shitty villain.

I fucking hate this "muh motivations" meme.
the most important thing a shonen villain should be is entertaining, DIO was a fucking fun villain and a prime example of how a relatively simple drive and Lots of charisma and Eccentricity are all you need to make an entertaining character.

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This. The problem with diavolo, however, is that he becomes just another dio by the end. His time erasing power is just the world’s time stop except no one.

No. He was reacting to things. The best villains take the initiative and keep the heroes on their back-foot.

When you're playing chess and each of your moves are a reaction to the other player's previous move, you are going to lose the match.

This, only the lowest IQ brainlets trying to mask their ignorance with contrarianism claim Dio is shit.

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Part 5 had hands down the best Antagonists in the entire series.
But Diavolo was not one of them.

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He was just a guy at the wrong place at the wrong time.

I think you mean the real shit taste

>literally every Jojo villain is shit tier except for Kars

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Absolutely.
>maintains an intimidating presence, any time he is in a close proximity to the main cast shit WILL go down
>goes out and does shit himself (going to Sardinia and the Colosseum) instead of just sitting in a room waiting for the protagonists to arrive
>has a unique character quirk (Doppio) to make him stand out

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Pretty obvious, but i still give more praise to Kira and Valentine.

This, he's far more omnious than DIO or Kira

I would be better if he simply was killed by drugged hobo.

>Dio
>shit tier cause "lol not a complex villain
Villains don't need to be complex to be entertaining.

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That's retarded. You're essentially saying a villain is only good if the protagonist has no initial motivation to fight and is merely retaliating.

The quality of a villain has nothing to do with his motivations and has everything to do with the amount of presence he has, explicit presence or implicit presence.

I can't help but feel like Araki couldn't decide between his multiple designs.

Over time, he seems dead set on Doppio as his default human self while King Crimson acted as a demonic Stand called "Diavolo". But then he wanted to design how Doppio would look when "possessed" and we got the octopus-punk getup that acts as the main look for Diavolo.

I can't help but feel that either he should have just been Doppio with King Crimson representing his Diavolo personality, or if he's just Doppio with the punk-Diavolo transformation acting as the manifestation of his Stand's powers buffing up his body.

Manga Diavolo is simply mediocre.

Anime Diavolo is pretty fantastic.

King Crimson is always amazing however.

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Araki doesn't know what he want. Also he "forgets" a lot.

You lost me with the demon nonsense.

>demon nonsense
user, I didn't say anything about a literal demon.

His stand has nothing to do with his body changing

Dio should be in great tier by this logic

>a villain is only good if they're all written the exact same way.

but did Diavolo deserve unending death? we never even saw him kill a dog like every other villain.

He literally ate a frog alive

>the most important thing a shonen villain should be is entertaining
dumb kid.

that's just french cuisine

Absolutely justified

That was just a suggestion, I never said that his Stand actually influenced his body changes.

>mfw Jobin motivation of being the main antagonist is "family", and its simple just like Kira's "Quiet life"

t. sociopath

I feel like it would be more fitting in general for Kira to have had Diavolo's fate since he has the time rewinding ability, and I think eternal punishments in media are a lot more acceptable and fitting if the bad guy accidentally inflicts it upon themselves rather than the hero forcing it upon them.

No because he lost

He deserved to win.

aside from the indirect violence committed by his organization and trying to kill Trish for existing, what has Diavolo done personally to deserve endless deaths

Being unchristian.

Burying his mother alive? Massacre his entire hometown?

>watches shonen
>thinks he's a big boy
cute.

>Massacre his entire hometown?
You mean start a fire that caused a few deaths?

What about Diavolo's motives are hard to understand? He wants to eliminate traces of his past and live in complete anonymity for one, he also wants to preserve his power and stay at his peak. And even if he is erratic, he's literally insane.

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Kira is literally a serial killer who cuts womens hands off to get a boner.

That isn't reluctant villain, that is a villain. He did everything just so he wouldn't go to prison.

Few CONFIRMED deaths. Everybody else disappeared in the flames.

ah i totally forgot that one, alright let him die endlessly.

Maybe if he stopped resetting time to avoid his death he'd stop dying over and over.

And look what happened to Pol

>Powers are ill-defined and inconsistent
>Lacks the charisma of Dio and the menace of Kira
>Previous villains slipped up at the worst possible time or were outsmarted and beaten at their own games, Diavolo only lost because Araki finally wrote himself into a corner
>Previous parts ended with everyone returning to their normal lives after their underdog victory over the villain, this part tacks on 2 episodes' worth of filler at the end for no other reason than to push the fate metaphor even harder
Really it was just the ending of Part 5 that was bad, not the whole of it.

>deserve deserve deserve deserve
Jesus Christ, imagine thinking DIO Jr., Mr. Seven Page Beatdown, gives a single fuck about what Diavolo "deserves." The only thing Diavolo did to earn his fate was get in Giorno's way, give me one instance of the kid showing an ounce of mercy to any of his enemies.

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based

Surprisingly Bruno.

>give me one instance of the kid showing an ounce of mercy to any of his enemies.

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All that matters is that DRUGS ARE BAD M'KAY

>King Crimson is always amazing however.
EXACTLY. NOW GIVE ME THE ARROW SO I CAN KEEP BEING AMAZING.

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He was actually a threat before they revealed him. After his reveal, he's literally shitting himself as he fights against Bucciarti and co.

fucking this

They were never enemies in the traditional sense. Bruno was just doing his job and Giorno defended himself accordingly, sparing him because he saw the good in him. But once Giorno became set on that path of usurping the boss, anyone in the gang that got in his way got put in a grave, and in his mind they deserved it for being scumbags.

>King Crimson Requiem gives Epitaph the ability to see 9 months into the future and remind Diavolo to wear a condom

You all gotta stop slander name of King Crimson bad times now

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Case in point, "Because you're a good person."

Ironically this is exactly what Diavolo fear : before his identity was revealed, he is powerful. After he was revealed, he becomes weak.

why do people with horrible taste always feel the need to create tier lists?

No.

I agree, Doppio was interesting, for five seconds

I like Yoshikage Kira, but the description of him and Kars are inverted

>son of dio
>diavolo
>eternal torment
it's like pottery

He wasn't a very threatening or menacing villain, after his reveal, but him sweating his balls off, pissing himself, and deluding himself into thinking he was destined to win was pretty entertaining. Diavolo even begs for a win, what a fucking loser.

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The entire thing is wrong honestly other than Valentine.

Almost all of them are just assholes trying to do what they can to stay on top in their little pleasure box and only fighting in order to survive or not go to prison. Hell even Pucci's is half wrong.

So Son of God aka Jesus sent The Devil into infinite loop of unending deaths?

Considering his entire gimmick was erasing and controlling fate, the fact that Araki had to make a literal stand that basically was God going "No" said enough about how much he fucked up by making KC as powerful as he was, especially when he had to make extra shit just to try to write in about how fate is fate, despite defying fate being the entire purpose.

>valentine
>arguably better than the hero's
so controlling the world is good?

I really liked the part where he would try to not shit himself by laying out all the reasons he thinks he's destined to win, i like seeing a villain mentally struggle as their backed into a corner.

How the fuck do you kick a projectile in mid air with perfect precision to richochet off of helicopter blades to hit someone in the head also adjusting for transformation? Dio was alot of things but a least he wasn't a mary sue like his moralfag son.

Villains are supposed to be just assholes, like real life.

Makes him an original villain.

EXCELLENT IDEA. NOW GIVE ME THE ARROW SO KING CRIMSON REQUIEM CAN UNDO TRISH EXISTENCE.

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Gio is just a McGuffin. Bruno was the JoJo of VA. Gio is just there as a plot device/Deus Ex Machina.

Based Giornochads telling it like it is.

>Villains are supposed to be just assholes, like real life.
That's kind of my point, they're all good realistic villains for the most part. They're just assholes trying to survive and bask in eternal bliss and pleasure. They just all have different reasons.

I wonder who could be behind this post?

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Honestly why Diavolo is my favorite villain, he was unique in the sense that you don't expect the main villain to be so powerful and yet so scared, broken and paranoid.

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>Kars - Be the Apex Predator of every being
>DIO - Be a God
>Kira Yoshikage - Lives a quiet life
>Diavolo - Control the mafia while being anonymous
>Pucci - Follow DIO's legacy
>Valentine - Make America Great Again
All that's left is Jobin

Dio is God who gives birth to the first Man, Kars, and from Kars comes original sin and death, Kira, which gives rise to the Devil in Diavolo, in which Priests like Pucci fight back against, all for the glory of a New World, The New World, America.

Its like pottery, it just rhymes. One Nation Under God.

and people say jojo isn't gay

switch Dio and Kars around

He literally doesnt give a rats shit about the world besides America, that's why he want's to fucks everyone over by making all misfortune go to them and hog all luck for america. Unless yo u are an amerimutt and think that whole world is U.S.A then you are right.

Masturbation isn't gay user.

shit tier according to that chart. Literally every single one of them is "just evil or lusts for power"

nothing gay about touching your penis

DIO:
>was denoted as possessing incredible luck by some chink fortuneteller, i.e., "he's a special boy"
>survived a burning building, decapitation, and spending 100 years in complete isolation in a coffin, which in of itself was just a plot device to get his ass back into the story
>has so much charisma people will literally throw themselves at him to be his evil servants
>has the strongest stand just because, Jotaro only has Star Platinum because of DIO connection to him through Jonathon's body (see the D'Arby brothers having the same type of stand, though that kind of shit was dropped as soon as the Nijimura bros)
>knows all of the bullshit you need to know to achieve heaven, which includes a lot of nonsensical bullshit, just because
>becomes a messiah figure by Part 6
If anything Giorno is very faithfully created to take after his father.

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I meant more when they were introduced rather than their age. Either way it works.
Valentine did nothing wrong and his America was a beautiful and fantastic Empire that dwarfed Europe like the children they are.

Stay mad Eurofag, Valentine is the True President.

That was the point. Once Diavolo's identity is out, he always thought he'd be fucked. Turns out he was right.

>The World
>Strongest stand

Except it's not by any means.

This thread severely lacks KCposting. Somebody give him an arrow already to fix this.

>

And he died of salmonella or other amoeba-shit like that other poor Australian wanker that ate live gecko recently- The end.

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>Coffin shenanigans
That's more hack writing than anything else

he wasn't that strong, once Polnareff figured out his stand he was able to cut him in a wheel chair, Imagine a non crippled Polnareff who actually knew what he was against

Like most of Gio, especially GER. Just like his father.

KC was written very inconsistent and poorly, if everything we know of his stand was written properly he'd be extremely powerful, more so than what he was.

Also Polnareff is retarded, they still had Speedwagon Foundation tech to give him prosthetic legs.

*Stops time and kills you while you're completely helpless* nothing personnel kid

If you stick Diavolo in a unwinnable situation past his prediction range you could technically beat him. like if you manage to throw him off a great height with nothing anywhere for him to grab onto. Diavolo can beaten by keikaku so long as you plan far ahead of his vision range

Congrats, your image is literally backwards

KC's not even that strong. Hit him with a large enough AOE, like a bomb, and he won't be able to phase through it or run away from it.

Replace Kira with Jobin

Okay VA fags, explain this

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Polpo was fucking with Giorno.

he eats, user
it's what he does

During his final battle with Jotaro, the hammy bastard went on about how he could train to extend the time stop of The World to be practically infinite due to his endless pool of stamina afforded to him by his vampirism. Any stand that you can think of can't do shit to him if time is stopped.

Doppio is really fun but Diavolo is the worst Jojo villain by a fucking landslide.
Literally just Kira but without any of the personality. M-MUH IDENTITY! Can't believe Araki gave the main villain the same motivation twice in a fucking row.

>yfw Cream is the strongest Stand because it can kill Ultimate Kars

You want to ask about him shapeshifting from the form of a bed, being impossibly obese, whatever the fuck that thing on his head is, or having a stand arrow incorporated into his stand while you're at it? Polpo is as unexplainably weird as he is, even by JoJo standards, to convey what exactly awaits Giorno in the world of Passione.

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He was retarded. He lost the arrow, he should've just ran away. But he stayed anyways because muh pride.

At least Dio had the excuse of having a nigh immortal body and vastly superior stand to keep fighting. Even Kira tried to flee when he stood no chance.

Valentine did nothing but wrong. The whole point of the quick draw duel that killed him was that he was a lying, manipulative, evil piece of shit at his core. All he ever did was use people and throw them away. It's likely he didn't even actually care about America being happy and just wanted America to be the most strong.

>yfw The Hand is the strongest stand because it can kill Ultimate Kars AND doesn't follow its own rules

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Really entertaining but shitty motives and barely any threat, he killed weaklings and most of his scenes consist on him being BTFO and frustrated by whatever shit the gang did in the meantime, he's a stooge

So he's a true American, gotcha. Best President.

>whatever the fuck that thing on his head is
Why are you so mean to his cute hat?

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It's either a hat or a fungus, either way Polpo is underrated and does not have enough good fan art.

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>191305694
>was denoted as possessing incredible luck by some chink fortuneteller, i.e., "he's a special boy"
He did have the luck of falling into the Joestar family. Everything else he built from there with his own grit.
>survived a burning building, decapitation, and spending 100 years in complete isolation in a coffin, which in of itself was just a plot device to get his ass back into the story
Did you miss the part where he was an immortal vampire and none of those things can kill JoJo vamps?
>has so much charisma people will literally throw themselves at him to be his evil servants
I'll give you this one, but he did massive amounts of power and money. Those that weren't conquered with those got flesh buds to be kept in line. Seems pretty fair people would be mistified by the actual mystical being, too.
>has the strongest stand just because, Jotaro only has Star Platinum because of DIO connection to him through Jonathon's body (see the D'Arby brothers having the same type of stand, though that kind of shit was dropped as soon as the Nijimura bros)
The World is not the strongest Stand. Hell, it's only as good as it is because DIO's vapire physiology allows him more stamina than any other Stand user. Plus, again, DIO spent 100 years meditating and resisting his fate at the bottom of the sea. If Stands get strong with willpower, then it's natural DIO's Stand would come out pretty strong out of of that experience.

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>knows all of the bullshit you need to know to achieve heaven, which includes a lot of nonsensical bullshit, just because
He had a university degree in Law, after years of the best education money could buy. Then he spent 100 years alone with his thoughts and philosophising. Then he spent 4 years learning about Stands and reading all sorts of occult texts (did you notice the massive size of his library?), which he had help in researching, with at least Enya and Pucci discussing ideas with him.
>becomes a messiah figure by Part 6
Only for Pucci, who loved him.

It all seems pretty justified, bro.

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You mean Japanese cuisine

>He wasn't a very threatening or menacing villain

He killed half the fucking cast single handedly

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He was such a pussy he was literally about to run away before he pulls a Marty McFly.

I mean his greatest strength was being anonymous and being able to just donut you when you least expect it. When everyone has eyes on him, he can't just one-shot people willy-nilly.

and also sucked the blood out of a young boy as well, stitched his mouth up afterwards.

It's funny to see people question the morals of Giorno putting Diavolo in a position where he dies over and over when the dude has probably 100s of deaths under his belt directly and indirectly since he was the leader of the mob. And then dude tried to kill his own daughter..

>Thematically opposing the entire moral of the story
>Selling drugs to kids (albeit indirectly)
>Literal sociopath (thinks Bruno betrayed Diavolo to overthrow him rather than thinking it was to protect Trish)
>Killed Narancia, Abbachio and Bruno
>Literally wanted to kill his daughter
>Underpays his subordinates (La Squadra) and doesn't even acknowledge their motives for their betrayal
Not to mention, unlike DIO and (arguably Cioccolata), he really lacks humanity compared to those two. Somehow manages to make the latter look like a saint in comparison.

He would've been if Bucciarati gave him the arrow.

>yfw D4C is the strongest stand because it can go get another Cream, Hand and Kars to help you out

He isn't reluctanct until he becomes Kosaku. I liked the hints that he was trying to reform and even trying to be a good husband for Shinobu, but Araki half assed that plotline

I like how Kira's character design also progresses with his mental state. His mentality doesn't reflect that of a stand user until he acquires BTD. Even after getting found by Josuke, he still manages to put up a fight. When he became watermelon Kira, he truly became a fully fledged stand user. Both mentally and physically.

okay so to this day I still don't understand, is this shit like a mesh shirt or tattoos or what

>knows all of the bullshit you need to know to achieve heaven, which includes a lot of nonsensical bullshit, just because
haha god I love how fucking retarded all that shit in part 6 was, the shit you have to do to "bring about heaven" or whatever, it fucking owns

It's a reference the a Black Sabbath band member who lost those same finger tips

Well, I tried. Still amazed he didn't go insane inside that damn coffin. Which made me immediately remember how he acted in the finale of Stardust Crusaders, yeah, he lost it. Probably where he got the heaven plan too, along with the years of studying and research. As for the strongest stand thing I was desperately trying to find the source for where Araki said Star Platinum is the strongest, which would mean The World is by extension. The thing is, I couldn't find it, probable that it's another widespread piece of misinformation, i.e., "Purple Haze was too strong so Fugo got written out." As for the messiah thing, really he was already rocking that vibe by Part 3, Pucci just picked up in it by Stone Ocean. And I know that messiah point was bullshit but I wanted to pad the shitpost out.

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he is a coward that wants to retain his anonymity

Just dropping in to say
Scary Monsters > The World

Nice.

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Yeah! Who in their right mind would want to go behind most people's backs and hide their identity, only to surprise attack those who don't see it coming?

Pucci literally created the SBR universe

making him the most based

No he didn't. He created the Ireneverse.

Which is SBR

I'VE GOT DINO DNA ! WRYYYYYYYYYYYYY

The thing with araki saying it is the strongest stand is in the star platinum stat page in part 6, so yeah it was confirmed the strongest stand, at least until made in heaven

lmfao diavolo's just a badDio
its always funny to read VAfags try REALLY REALLY hard to defend that King Crimson isn't a bootleg The World lol

So why couldn't he use King or Epitaph while dying forever? Does the whole rewind thing happen no matter where he is? I figured it'd only happen if Gold Requirem was in range.

how do you not fucking get it

>Dio should be in great tier by this logic
Only Part 1 Dio fits Great Tier. Part 3 DIO is definitely Shit Tier.

>literally a hand me down
Even Araki knew and bring back THE WORLD at the end

He's an alien of the same race as Mikitaka, simple as that

A mix of both

I sincerely hope this image is not posted unironically. Every time I see this retarded understanding of narratives and writing characters it makes me want to find the person who created it and run them over with a snowblower (in minecraft)

>(in minecraft)
invite me

Valentine > Pucci > Kira > Dio > Diavolo > DIO > Kars

no need to argue about that

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i unironically agree, i hate that image and everyone who posts it

a god-tier villain is one who is interesting. one who is entertaining to see and has a great character, regardless of their motivations.

you can have great. memorable villains who are simply driven by evilness, and you can have awful villains who have great motives. it doesn't matter. what matters is if their a good character.

No you tard.
All Pucci did was make a universe where part 6 did not happen. Parts 1-5 still happened, just with a different Jotaro.

wrong

it was nice to see Trish and Mista bonding in the end and laughing together, instead of forcing her to worship Giorno he befriends the guy she's been inside of

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not him but stop being retarded
>Ireneverse
universe created by MiH. SO doesn't happen, but everything prior that happens. Jotaro raised Jolyne(Irene) and lived a normal life after DIO's death. Pucci is erased and so is every influence DIO ever had
>SBR
not related to og Jonathan and DIO

nothing hard to understand

>Mista and Fugo leering at Trish in the car
>Both survives
Trish's boobs are the true savior

>Part 3 DIO is definitely Shit Tier
I don't know. You could argue he was just acting in self defense and wanted to take out the Joestars before they got to Egypt. He just wanted to lead others to peace under his rule.

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but Jotaro had to be the same, with the difference he didn't learn about DIO's diary since his influence disappeared after his death (and Pucci wasn't born)

nope its both

kira still had the most aesthetic stand of all time before catch the rainbow came out

so.. what's trish's epilogue? she wasnt there with giorno and mista at the end

Everyone who died during MiH got replaced in the new world (Jolyne/Irene) so there had to have been a new Jotaro. NuJotaro still killed DIO, read the diary, and fought Kira etc but Part 6 doesn't happen because Pucci was erased from existence.

she started a career as a pop star according to PHF

Did anybody else feel bad seeing Diavolo suffer infinite deaths? The anime made it seem even worse than the manga.
Poor guy was a pathetic mess.

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She gives birth to quadruplets after Mista shoots her V-card to death.

exactly, the difference is that Jotaro didn't become autistic with DIO and raised his daughter so she never ended in jail
can't be. Jojolion debunked that

this

>King Crimson
kino
>Doppio
cool
>Diavolo
cringe. eats shit before he actually does anything. didn't have as good motives as any other Jojo villain (beyond hiding his identity, which was great but the instant he's revealed and Doppio stops coming out its not as good)

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King Crimson looks like that Amerimutt meme

what was the moral of the story? I'm brainlet

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it didn';t debunk it

there was no moral

>The anime made it seem even worse than the manga.
literally copied the manga to the t

CAT'S FOOT

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Well yeah but it being animated and having voice acting and sound made it seem worse for him

IRON CLAW

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jjl takes place in 2011. Morioh is different and several counterparts are different. no mention of any og characters, as easy as that
if you're gonna act retarded at least try to make it less obvious

>jjl takes place in 2011
enough time for things to change from 1999

retard

proof it

Stop replying to the bait. He does this in almost every thread.

youtube.com/watch?v=JO4XSXjm7SA

The didn't even give Abdul his lips.

and Diego wore it better.

Actually she was a singer before that as Giorno reveals.

This not to add that he pretty much won at the beginning too and has kino devil symbolism

>kino devil symbolism
actually he doesn't have any devil symbolism

His name is literally the fucking word "Devil"

A name picked out for him by his loving priest father.

Named after an italian dish, actually

Probably both.

Being named after food fits the theme with other characters

Being named after the devil fits with nothing

It fits with all the religious symbolism.

He's defeating by the son of "god" (dio)

Didnt he also spare him because Bruno sort of did the same. I swear he mentioned that if Bruno didnt hesitate he would've defeated him

Bruno hesitated when he saw that he was using a druggie's arm. which told Giorno that they have the same convictions on the drug trade.

So is Sticky Fingers confirmed the strongest brawling stand of the VA gang? I dont think GE displayed quite as much apptitude and relied on his life giving shit

Has Araki managed to actually focus on his main character since Battle Tendency?

It's not a matter of if a stand is strong or not, it's about how the user takes advantage of them. Stone Free, Kiss and FF are really weak stands, but the way users use them is intelligent and effective regardless.

Hell, Fun Fun Fun is a really rubbish stand that seemed like it was only good in a really specific scenario, but Ojiro just pulled off some awesome stuff and showed how versatility it really has.

Nope every Jojo part after BT always focused on the side characters more than the actual Jojo.

But that's not what he's asking

Doppio was the original personality num nuts

Why did the arrow refuse him?

Even if that were true, what does that have to do with what he said?

Because Stuno tickled the sun behind his head

Gappy

>Doppio was the original personality
No he wasn't user, he never was.

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What? Doppio developed an evil alternate personality called Diavolo as a Satan metphor

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Who the hell names their kid devil? No wonder he ended up crazy.

Hm, thats me proven wrong.
I was just subscribing to the theory that Doppio developed Diavolo as a way to cope with his past since Diavolo is so single minded compared to Doppio who is a much more balanced person.

I'd say it'd be:

>Valentine

>Joubin

>Pucci

>Kira

>DIO

>Dio Brando

>Kars

>Diavolo

Who the hell names their kid Fish, Ice or Shark?

I think Diavolo is more fleshed out. He has needs, and desires, and fears, Doppio is just thinking about obeying his orders. He doesn't even remember the past unlike Diavolo.

Who names their kid Panacotta?

its a bit of a stretch but it is thanks to diavolo that the events and deaths of part 3 to 6 happened, and those events lead to the destruction/reset of the universe creating/reseting to a new one and all because he digged up some weird arrows and sold them to a weird granny.

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I actually really liked Doppio since almost everything about his character is just like a protagonist's. He isn't cruel or evil in any way and his actions are motivated by his loyalty and belief in the passione and his boss, his fight against Risotto has him hitting every single beat that a protag character would, he just happened to have the final boss in his head.

That is a huge stretch, Diavolo was just a small piece of that puzzle, there's no reason why he should take all the blame.

MiH didn't lead to SBR, are you people actually a bunch of animeonly's that never even read those parts or something?

He didn't even mention SBR in that post. You are starting to get paranoid.

So what happens to Diavolo's bodies after he dies each time? Do they just vanish into thin air, or do the bodies remain and there are thousands of millions of identical Diavolo bodies littered around the world and serving as an infinite source of biomass?

I assumed that Diavolo's deaths don't actually take place in reality and none of it is real.

Hypothetically if GER were to do his infinite death loop thing and Giorno didnt want him to could Giorno have it reverse the effect?

i always thought that he doesnt really die, he just feels the pain and fear of the current event and before he dies it gets put in a new scenary.

I guess that's just a matter of personal interpretation, I think he's a pretty bad guy since he obviously knows that he works for the mob and has no problems committing those crimes.

>Kiss
>really weak.

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giorno wouldnt know it happened in the first place and there's no way for giorno to ever know, so your question is flawed

that said, hypothetically if giorno somehow knew of diavolo's fate, i doubt he could undo it. the stand put diavolo in the death loop beyond his control and diavolo remains in the death loop even after the arrow is taken from GER. absolutely nothing and nobody can save diavolo.

>Villains don't need to be complex to be entertaining

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Just set the death loop to zero my dude

The fact that Diavolo is so much less fleshed out and more imbalanced would support the idea that he's the original, though. If you make a second personality as a means to cope with your past, the personality you create will likely be more capable of dealing with day-to-day.

That would require GER, and we're not sure if Giorno even has that after the arrow fell. Plus it's pretty clear GER was controlling Giorno rather than the other way around, so even if he wanted to there's no guarantee GER would cooperate.

He should be able to control it, the whole point of why Polnareff brought them the arrow was because he thought they would be able to. Or else why did it attack Diavolo in the first place

The running theory is that Requiem stands are driven to fulfill the users greatest wish in the moment they are pierced by the arrow. Hence, Silver Chariot Requiem was driven only to Protect The Arrow and Gold Experience Requem was driven only to Defeat Diavolo. The powers they receive are also perfectly suited to carrying out these wishes.
The anime seems to run with this theory, but the canonosity of such a change is debateable.

I don't believe that theory. I read a part of the manga that shows Polnareff activating Silver Chariot Requiem in a farmhouse, and its power was not suited to fulfilling his greatest wish in that moment.

when he erases space the gap is filled. when erasing matter nothing needs to be filled in.

Giorno should have made a fake stand arrow out of some brick to trick Diavolo into stabbing himself with it
now that would be a great fucking ending

Is that so?

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i stand corrected

why do i defend you araki?

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>why do i defend you araki?
Because you love him user.

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So he was Yea Forums?

The infamous hacker known as Yea Forums was Diavolo all along.

That would explain alot actually.

Diavolo himself may have been pretty underwhelming near the end, but King Crimson on the otherhand, was a based AF villain. Also, Shadow Diavolo > True Diavolo.

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What's he seeing?

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>Plus it's pretty clear GER was controlling Giorno rather than the other way around
Does GER not state during his conversation with Diavolo that it's not a matter of control but him acting with his own independent will? There's still no guarantee of cooperation though.

>Narancia was only 17 years old
>He loved Bruno Buccellati so much
>He would complete all the missions Buccellati gave him
>He prayed to Buccellati every night before bed, thanking him for the second chance of life he had been given
>“Buccellati is love,” he’d say, “Buccellati is life”
>One fateful night, Narancia’s father heard him and called him a faggot
>However, Narancia knew his father was only envious of his endless devotion towards the zipper man
>Narancia bravely rebelled, calling his only father a ‘cunt’
>Narancia’s oppressive father cruelly slapped him, then proceeded send him to slumber alone
>Narancia cried; his face hurting.
>He layed in his empty bed as the cold atmosphere took over
>Suddenly, a warmth moved towards Narancia.
>It was Buccellati
>Narancia was so happy
>Buccellati whispered into his ear, “Drugs are bad”
>He grabbed him with his powerful sticky fingers and put Narancia on his mortal hands and mortal knees
>Narancia was ready
>He spread his pure ass-cheeks for Buccellati
>Buccellati began to penetrate his boi-pucci
>It hurt so much but Narancia did it for Buccellati
>Narancia could feel the rippling tears to his ass as his eyes began to water
>Nonetheless, he courageously pushed against the elder’s force
>He wanted to please Buccellati.
>With a mighty “ARIARIARIARIARIARI” Buccellati filled Narancia’s ass with his sticky stand essence
>In an unexpected turn of events, Narancia’s father walked into the scandalous scene before him
>Buccellati stared him straight in the eyes and shouted a mighty “ARRIVERDERCI!!”
>The mysterious man left through a zipper, never to be seen again

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I get that the design of Jojo characters are made in a particular style with elaborate, impractical clothing and fashion but I thought Diavolo would look better if he was more of an unkempt bum than a perfectly primmed rock star

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King crimson? Yes, a good villain
Diavolo? No.
All he does is piss his pants and cry instead of actually doing something.
Diavolo is forgettable as fuck I can't wait for my nigga Pucci

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sayonarancia

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I was honestly expecting Doppio to be more fleshed out since I always saw people talking about how much better he was. I felt like I understood Diavolo enough by the time he died but Doppio was even more mysterious than the bossu.
Also still I'm upset that Doppio got no anime only additions the way the Hitmen Team did.

bump

Pucci is boring as hell.

Based DioBro.

Fell asleep after the half way point of episode 38. Why is the ending to part 5 so garbage?

Because you're a brainlet.

You didn't expect a brief prequel and that's fine, but that doesn't mean it's bad.

Because you have taste.

WAKE THE FUCK UP!

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t. sleeping slave

A bomb would be useless against him unless the detonation lasts for over 10 continuous seconds.

lmao look at the replies, vatards have prepubescent brains confirmed

GER destroyed King Crimson.

>europoornited statian thinks hes not an europoor
OH NONONONO LOOK AT THIS DUDE. pathetic euromutt, kys

I like Kars and all but he literally only wanted power and to become strong enough to "conquer" the sun.

Yeah he wanted to survive in the sun

dilate

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To be fair, Part 5 has one of the weaker finales. It feels like it just lingers on and on and on and just abruptly ends. At least the anime wasn't that abrupt.

Pesci should have one

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wrong pic

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I liked him. He walked a nice balance.

What does that mean?

Based and Dojyaan pilled

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Then burn him with napalm.

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Uhhh no. Kira wasn't "reluctant" when he fucking murdered countless women and chopped their fucking hands off.

Valentine was Elder God tier until he betrayed Johnny at the end. Shit would have been literal perfection in manga form if they both agreed to ceasefire and admit they were both doing good things for bad reasons.

The entire Dio arc at the end was fucking dogshit and felt tacked on fanservice that served little narrative purpose.

johnny walking away with a new gyro would have been dumb as fuck

dont be a sleeping slave

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This, Pesci, Prosciutto and Metallica were fucking amazing. The train arc is probably my favourite in the series other than that batshit arc where fantasy characters come to life in Part 6, or Bites the Dust.

it just the shirt, since he had no tattoos during the autopsy.

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polpo is a vampire

Damn, I was sure he didn't have any. My bad

In the manga it doesn't look like he has any tattoos during the autopsy scene, but then Araki drew him with clear tattoos in an art book. So he must have changed his mind

I want to fuck Diavolo's corpse.

HELL NO!

such equisite tastes user

King Crimson is great just for the design alone, one of Araki's better executed stand concepts. You really get what he was going for when you listen to In The Court of the Crimson King.

That's pretty much it, Diavolo was being carried by his own stand to be a oppressive final boss but not much else.
At least Dio had their past in Part 1 going for him.

I shouldn't feel bad for a drug lord, but still...

But what he sold drugs to children. He murdered innocents and wanted to kill his own daughter to hide. He's a shitlord who killed Narancia he can rot for all eternity.

>Kira only is bad because of the situation he finds himself in
like barking inside other people houses to kill single women?

based
cringe

Probably, but it's hard to say if that's really because Sticky Fingers is really that strong. Because his power kind of inherently makes people fall apart into a pile of zippers and body parts when he rushes you.

>Stone Free
>weak
Nigga u trippin, it wasn't Star Platinum strong but it's strength was top tier, and it had the benefit of letting the user take hits which would otherwise kill 90% of other stand users.

bump

FPBP

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GIVE ME SBR SBR SBR

Part 6 first user, and you going to like it even if you dont

But i don't want part 6, i want SBR!

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GE is really strong too, considering that 1 good punch to the user confirms what is basically (from the perspective of the guy that's hit) a full stand rush.

>character flaw causes his downfall
>"he was retarded"
Have you ever read any story with an antagonist before?

Picky begging faggots don't deserve to watch part 7 if they can't handle sitting through part 6. Kill yourself and never watch Jojo ever again.

I'll never understand why people say Giorno is a bad/bland Jojo.

He took from Jonathan being gentlemanly and upholding a (in his case, flawed) sense of justice, and his inquisitiveness. And from DIO he got his charisma, intelligence, sense of style and ruthlessless.
I guess it is because he didn't get as much focus, because Bruno had most of the screentime and was for all means and purposes de the actual MC of this part.

Diavolo, in the other hand, was a dogshit villain, KC was cool, but the user himself, now that was a bland piece of shit, regarless of his kill count. La Squadra were infinitely better villains than Diavolo.

Maybe people just wish Doppio was the original because he is by far and wide a more interesting character than Diavolo.

>Bruno the truth is I always liked you the best so please GIVE MY FUCKING ARROW

I don't see how Doppio being the original would change anything. Also, there's nothing particularly interesting about him.

>secco getting fisted

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Characters that would have been better final villains than Diavolo

>Punished Leaky Eye Luca
>Truck driver
>Pistol no 4
>The Fly
>The gangster from Giorno's backstory
>That one guy Abbacchio/Mista/Narancia beat up for no reason
>Koichi
>The female prison guard
>Fugo
>Solido Naso
>Reincarnated Janitor Mario
>Punished Polnareff
>DIO
>Pesci
>Another Jojo
>Pericolo
>Trish
>Some random faggot from a gang members backstory
>Another one of DIO's sons

It's because Giorno is in the same series as characters like Joseph, Josuke, and Dio so people think if they aren't spouting memes 24/7 then they are a bland character. It's why Jotaro is hated so much.

Diavolo is the Kamen Rider Ryuki of JoJo villains. Sounds really interesting on paper but then in practice is just boring shit.

I think it really says something when King Crimson is remembered far more fondly than Diavolo.

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The world Over heaven is literally the strongest of all stands

>EOH
>canon
>EOH
>canon
>EOH
>canon
>EOH
>canon

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>YES!
But he's also dumb at times

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Part 6 is actually very evenly distributed among the Brojos with Jolyne being the glue that holds them together.

Part 7 is thus: 1st third = Gyro protag (up until True Man's World), 2nd third = Gyro and Johnny share the spotlight (prob up until Sugar Mountain/Civil War), last third = Johnny protag all the way.

Part 8 seems to be pretty focused on Gappy with Yasuho the main deuteragonist.

Im sad that part 5 is finished
I literally had my ritual, visualising and imagining what meal I would eat each friday watching jojo
and Im too autistic to start a new opening and not feeling like the casual weeb loser
might aswell re watch part2 or the part3, or why not the 4, aaaa

Just about every character fluctuates between 200 IQ and being fucking retarded

yeah that's a good point

So people actually want a character

Ah yes, fun is a buzzword once again

>The world Over heaven is literally the strongest of all stands
EOH is non canon

Yes

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exactly. brainlets dont understand this dudes motivation and label him as shit because of it

>be Diavolo
>knows all about Bucciarati's zipper powers
>kidnaps Trish and slowly walks away
>Bruno is technically still on a mission to protect Trish
>doesn't just blow off Trish's head to prevent anyone from figuring out his pink hair and just flee the scene
Defend Diavolo all you want, he was retarded.

from a psychology perspective doppio is the original because he fades in and out but his alter personality is aware of everything that happens
Dissociative Identity Disorder

>Bruno is technically still on a mission to protect Trish
No. He said the mission was over when he gets to the top.

>great design
>star platinum stats but with speed and range swapped
>powerful, probably broken as fuck ability
>barely did anything
If The Hand wasn't a thing Kiss would be the #1 wasted potential stand.

From an Araki perspective Diavolo is the original because that's what the manga says.

it doesn't make sense so you're probably right

You are right, he directly killed a lot, and we can consider also Fugo, threatened so much that stopped to follow his friend and saviour. However, all what he done is somewhat "meh", Bucciariati killed but not killed, Fugo was wrote out, Abbacchio was killed because was no useful anymore, Narancia killed on the end just because, without a fight and with that mess of body swapping. In general he killed a somewhat boring cast in situation a little out of nowhere, not very interesting

It had similar stats to Star Platinum, but Star Platinum is undeniably stronger in raw power. Like how Stone Free has an A in destructive power, but it's noted that Star Platinum still has more raw strength.

Giorno has no personality.

I miss him, ojibros...

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He had in the first few episodes until Araki decided to shit the bed.

Considering the first few episodes had the ear shit and the gangstar line you're pretty much confirming this guy's point.
Furthermore, the fight that showcases a bulk of Giorno's personality and characters flaws along with just being one of the best fights in Vento Aureo is the White Album fight.

Can someone make a wallpaper of this already gosh it looks good

Don't take it too personal. The villain tier lists are good on a vacuum, they're indicative of the "Raw" value of the character as a concept, kinda.
Then it depends on the writer to handle it... and many times the villains which are conceptually shit like Frieza, DIO or All For One (they're just evil and really strong) end up being the funnest because of their dialogues or situations the writer does. Which is the opposite for Diavolo.
On paper Diavolo is stupidly interesting with his split personality and diabolical backstory which somehow ended up with him heading to Italy and creating his own cartel. But he was poorly handled by Araki and merely seems insane with laughable motivations.

But maybe another writer could have made Diavolo be a better character than DIO.

Based

Not really. He had a fun power though. But he was rather broken and pretty generic outside of the personality shifting. Also how they basically have to introduce a power up option when they hit a dead end in order to cheese out his shit.

Diavolo is like a internet shitposter who got his identity leaked and started shitting himself like a child, he's not even as much of a threat I thought he would be

Jesus I thought you fags were being ironic.
>Part 1 Dio
Attained everything he needed to live a wealthy and comfortable life after killing his father and getting adopted. A great-tier villain would not poison his generous surrogate father, torment his adopted brother in the hope of mentally breaking him, act like a complete asshole to everyone around him, make a woman eat her baby, create a bunch of zombie chimeras just for the lols or let harmless women get raped by snakeman just because they refused to become undead.
>Part 3 DIO
Expressed no desire to lead others to peace and actively stated the only things he cared about were victory and domination. A great-tier villain does not use intimidation/physical abuse to make a man drive along a crowded pavement at top speed and then decide he's gonna kill the guy anyway for no reason afterwards.

What the fuck did he expect from a loyal capo?
>My mission is to defend the boss' daughter from a group of Stand-wielding assassins
>So far each of these assassins have gotten the drop on us without fail
>I have reached the top of the elevator so I guess my mission is ove-
>OH SHIT TRISH IS GONE AND I'M HOLDING HER SEVERED HAND
>This must be the work of an enemy stand! I'd better go rescue her and bring her back to the boss
If you don't think this is the naturally occurring thought process then you sir are a brainlet

The manga isn’t canon anymore

Giorno doesn’t act like his Dad in the slightest.

Where the fuck is Fugo tho

in PHF

Araki made him way too powerful, it makes no sense why he's such a coward. Not only can he erase time he can see into the future and kill every character with one hit. Kira being a coward makes sense because his stand sucks at close range combat, Diavolo could only be beaten with the asspull arrow he shouldn’t be running from anything.

>one touch kill
>bad at close range

speedreader
stat wise KC is a glass cannon, also he almost got significantly hurt by Polnareff
he needs to be careful or he will lose

Being able to see the future and skip time basically makes him invincible.
The entire Josuke vs Kira fight is Josuke trying to get in close while Kira has to keep him away with stray cat bombs.

Jesus christ Spice Girl has some big tits

He's paranoid as fuck and I can totally relate. Like even if I become omnipotent I'd still be worried of something eventually fucking me up.

i liked him more than giorno

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most stats don't really matter tho
range only matters when it's strictly defined and power/strength has nothing to do with actual abilities

Good thing Epitaph wasn't thrown off of King Crimson in the anime.

>he was trying to reform
What? He only did that to blend in.

He was alright

Debate me.

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Rank Him

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>says anime isn't canon for doppio's evidence
>still uses anime exclusive shit for diavolo's evidence
Seriously, just get rid of all the anime shit on Diavolo's side. Without it your argument is still incredibly strong but with it you just look biased and willing to bend things to fit your already decided conclusion.

Part ain't done yet

Should I read the Jojo manga or just wait for the rest of the anime? I'm new to manga and the only one I've read is Yotsubato!

>wait for the rest of the anime
You're gonna be waiting a VERY long time, friend.

Way to out yourself newfag. Anyway, reading the manga gives you perspective when watching the adaptation, plus you won't have to fucking wait the next few years for it. Do a search for JoJo's Colored Adventure and enjoy yourself.

Yes and no.
He has the psychosis down pat, but the part where they tried to reveal him as this scheming genius is where he falls apart.

He's megalomaniacal, not scheming. He is the worst antagonist to actually be a mafia boss. He would have fit in better as a stand-in for Kira. Kira would have been a better mob boss antagonist than the actual boss.

>Rolling stone was there all along

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King Crimson should have just been like a parasite, jumping from person to person and just happened to be using Doppio when the deal with the arrow came about. No Diavolo involved.
Would have been more interesting and explained why no one ever knew of the Boss.

Honestly a sentient stand that took over the user is more interesting than a schizo user.

Which is the better end-of-season OP, Great Days Bites the Dust or Traitor's Requiem? It's probably because it's more recent in my mind, but shit like this frame alone makes me think it gives Great Days a run for its money.

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DIO smashing the credits.

>Be Dio
>Become quasi-immortal vampire
>Get trapped at the bottom of the ocean for 100 years
>Contemplate the meaning of life and discover a method to becoming a god that stands above all
>Spend decades putting your plan into motion
>You now stand as a god above all others, able to bend reality to your will

>Be Jotaro
>Develop lung cancer
>Fuck a dolphin
>Abandon your daughter
>Punch out Patrick Bateman
>You now stand as a god above all others, able to bend reality to your will

#1 most underused is Kraftwerk

the guitar riff as Giorno took back the opening was fucking amazing

>Contemplate the meaning of life and discover a method to becoming a god that stands above all
>Spend decades putting your plan into motion
The plan to reach heaven wasn’t developed until after the stand arrows were rediscovered. DIO developed the plan in around 4-5 years, between his return and the end of stardust crusaders.
>reading a non-canon fanfic journal

>Shit would have been literal perfection in manga form
It would have been satisfying but so is seeing Valentine succumb to his own hypocrisy.
The Dio thing in my opinion was a good resolution for Johnny and Lucy. Lucy got to use everything she learned with her espionage and have a final hurrah after being sidelined by the corpse, and Johnny ends up only able to survive due to him holding himself back.

Johnny loses as he lost his drive after achieving what he wanted (his legs and his dad's approval), Valentine dies to his own hyprocriscy and greed but "wins" after giving up personal ownership of the corpse and trick Alt Diego into giving it to the US, Jesus get to chill in a shelter for all eternity, Lucy did something out of her own volition and succeed, Diego the narcissist ironically dies to himself by a weak girl.
The World is just a simple and strong power that could rival Act 4 and be explained quickly

How much of a speedreader does one have to be to actually think this?

Literally every single line and every single moment from Pucci is great and will be memed so hard when the anime comes out.

On a fun scale of DIO to Diego, Diego is only slightly more fun than Pucci and both are far ahead of DIO.

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look at this based gay priest

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He was the cutest

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>The manga isn’t canon anymore
According to who? (You)?

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I'm gonna miss him bros. I'm gonna miss part 5 aesthetics.

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This ending has really, really triggered me
My brother was killed by a homeless man who stabbed him to death just like Diavolo. I watched this with my dad who started making jokes at the autopsy like 'Oh I hope your brother wasn't conscious at the funeral when I checked his knob size against mine! he might think I'm gay'. this has upset me

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>stand only has one level of face nesting
Dropped

>'Oh I hope your brother wasn't conscious at the funeral when I checked his knob size against mine! he might think I'm gay'.

your dad has an interesting sense of humor

>'Oh I hope your brother wasn't conscious at the funeral when I checked his knob size against mine! he might think I'm gay'.

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Damn, Jotaro was BTFO three times, not just twice

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>My brother was killed by a homeless man who stabbed him to death just like Diavolo. I watched this with my dad who started making jokes at the autopsy like 'Oh I hope your brother wasn't conscious at the funeral when I checked his knob size against mine! he might think I'm gay'. this has upset me

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>Jobin: Every day it's a summer vacation

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>DIO
>Seeking to change society as a whole
Nigger are you serious?

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That kinda comes with seeking Godhood.

>Every day it's a summer vacation
Jobin is a NEET?

He has no way to even stand against josuke so unless they add EVEN MORE powers to his stand he cant be the final bad

Unlike other JoJo main antagonists he didnt put up much of a fight before he died.

>Polpo
>Italian word for "octopus"
>Polpo turns into a bed
>Octopuses can naturally blend into their surroundings
>Polpo eats his fingers only for them to grow back
>Octopuses are occasionally known to engage in autocannibalism only to have their eaten limbs grow back
>Black Sabbath is an autonomous stand
>An octopus' tentacles are capable of acting independently from the main body in search of food

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Pucci literally created the SBR universe though.

Bump here please. Also, a Surprise in the OP WEBM..........

fate killed them

Dio is literally the defining villain of Jojo and he's also the best.

Second is Kira.

Yea Forums, what would have been King Crimson Requiem's ability? had bossu acquired the arrow.

Skipping part 5

Reset things to zero

ability to not die

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KINGU KURIMSON

Turns everyone it touches into dud arrows so no one, not even Bruno, can get a hold of himself ever again

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I'd rather watch Part 3 multiple times than some boring part where something barely happens and the main villain is just a simpleton living in a small town.

Oh, and I skipped part 4, both manga and anime, because it's so fucking boring from the premise.

So uh, what happened to Fugo?

Based. Part 4 is arguably the most skippable.

He became the new boss after Diavolo.

So where does Giorno go from here? Does he realize that no matter what he does, the drug trade will exist and that he can't stop it? Does he fall from grace years later and become the next Diavolo?

He later dies of a cold

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He's still perpetuating the drug trade, just don't sell em to the kiddies. What a guy.

Poor little guy goes flying

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Giorno really was the villain.

Is Diavolo still dying in Part 6? Is he still suffering in the Ireneverse after the MiH reset?

He gains a new stand ability through resolve, emerges from the death loop and kills Giorno two days after the finale.

Absolutely NO bc his lack of charisma. This bitch is always getting sweated for literally EVERYTHING nearby him even he is the last boss of part 5.

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wtf tutubros...

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BASED

were spice girls tits always this big?

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Like daddy

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