Fate: Lord El Melloi case files

How is Waver such a fucking faggot?
How much semen do you think is chemically infused into that stupid fragment of cape?

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A) He prefers older women
B) He's gayer than the 80s
C) He prefers 2D
D) He's impotent

Pick one.

can shirou really be considered human at the time? the arm should disqualify him

I need threesome doujin. Need them so much.

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He has his Reality Marble in every route. The only time he deploys it is in UBW, though he'd theoretically be capable of it after Heavens Feel True once his od circulation is restored. He never realizes it in the Fate route, but his Gradation Air is an extension of his Reality Marble to begin with. Once he trains his circuits properly, he should eventually be able to deploy it on his own someday, if only briefly.

Also why is she wearing a fucking coat in bed?

According to Rin, Shirou should be able to use it eventually post HF when he gets used to new body.

I want to taint Reines' bloodline

I would sacrifice untold number of souls for a spin-off feature these lolis doing cute and adventurous things, with occasional supervision from Waver.

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She fell unconscious before so they laid her into the bed without undressing her apparently.

So Gray is bullied by Waver AND Reines?

Waver doesn't bully Gray. Reines kinda bullies her, but it's just light teasing. She's very soft towards Gray.

I don't get it were they lesbians?

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You are free to interpret them as lesbians. For me, the most obvious is simply as a solidarity that they both know they now feel free.

How deeply am I supposed to interpret a woman being cursed to transform into a saberface as a statement on the current state of Fate?

Then reines meets (You) and you become her pupil, even though (You) are a shit magus, (You)'re good at something.

I think you're misinterpreting her words.

Isn't Kiritsugu's Accel a reality marble casted inside the user or some shit?

I mean everyone else in this show so far is such a fucking queer, I don't think there's much room for doubt.

Hell, Reines seems like the only heterosexual in the entire show.

There's also the thing White Len uses. The reason that reality marble's are rare among non-heroic spirits is because it's banned magic and gets you killed by the association.

It somewhat the mechanics of a Reality Marble. Time Manipulation is a spell that Kiritsugu "inherited" from his father. A Reality Marble isn't something that can be passed down. It's the user's mind projected onto reality.

That's not a Reality Marble either.

The reason Reality Marbles are taboo is because they're unique, non-replicable abilities. There's no way for there to be two users of the exact same Reality Marble. The moment the Association learns you have a Reality Marble, it's an instant Sealing Designation. Unique abilities can't be lost. If something is truly unique and can't be replicated, then it must be preserved.

Besides, just being taboo doesn't tend to stop magi from trying to achieve them. It's just that most magi simply aren't capable of achieving them. Even Medea doesn't have one, despite the Magus Association not existing during her time.

Doesn't Shirou have reality marble because of how screwed up he is and he has same origin and affinity? It makes sense that there aren't other humans like him.

Gray isnt a loli.

Is any 2d girl a loli to you? Fucking retard.

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That's true too. But screwed up individuals aren't that rare in Nasu's stories. Every story features at least once. In spite of that, though, no living human character other than Shirou has a Reality Marble. That probably speaks a lot about how rare it is.

Reinnes is 17. She's as much a Loli as Ilya is.

Is Luvia chuuni?

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Her nickname is Loli-bloomer though.

In fact, even among Heroic Spirits, the only ones with a Reality Marble that isn't a sublimation of their myth seem to be Emiya (Unlimited Blade Works), Emiya Alter (Unlimited Lost Works), Solomon (Ars Paulina) and Medb (Chariot My Love). I think. Chariot My Love is a weird Reality Marble that's deployed inside Medb's Chariot that allows her to basically rape anyone without allowing them to escape. It doesn't really seem to be a sublimation of her myth, and it sounds like something she could have had in life.

Luvia is love.

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It doesn't have 'Fate' in the title, FGOshitter

Maybe OP simply means that Case Files is also a part of Fate, which isn't wrong though..?

Luvia is fat.

That is completely wrong actually. Not everything set in the setting is Fate. That's like calling KnK 'Fate'.

> The associaton would just want to graft Shirou's circuit onto a mystic code so any mage could use UBW.

It's to preserve unique magecraft, you see. For posterity.

fat ass. fat chest.

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Even if that worked (it probably wouldn't; even Medea had to keep Shirou alive in order to make partial use of his Reality Marble), it'd just be a degraded version. To begin with, Unlimited Blade Works records weapons by sight. If he can't see a weapon, he can't record it. The only one who can make proper use of a Reality Marble is the user himself. Turning him into a mystic code would produce inferior results.

That's why Sealing Designations exist in the first place, for PRESERVATION. To keep the unique ability as it is indefinitely.

I mean Case Files has always been a Fate work since the first day it was released. It's literally listed in The Essentials of “Fate Series” video.

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That absolutely does not make it a Fate work.

Wth Mage Association still uses Internet explorer?

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Only in the areas that matter most.

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Do remember that Case Files takes place in 2004.

Case Files Luvia is pretty cute desu

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Doesn't this take place years before f/sn which takes place in 2004? Ofc it's IE

Luvia has always been cute.

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Why not...? Sure it doesn't have the HGW vibes like other Fate works but that absolutely does not make it a non-Fate work either. "Case Files is not a Fate work because its main focus isn't about a HGW/servant or it feels different from other Fate works" does not make sense at all honestly. Servant as well as HGW is an unique/selling point of Fate setting but Fate as a whole is "a tale of heroes, desire and destiny". Sanda and Typemoon recognized Case Files as a part of Fate franchise after all.

Just let it go, user. Autists like those focus on the pedantry and miss the point.

>why does the mage association use IE?

Apart from the year it's in, it's probably because Mages arn't exactly tech-literate, a good example of just how bad Mages can be when it comes to that sort of stuff is Rin.

Everything that is part of the Fate franchise has 'Fate' in the name. Furthermore, Casefiles has elements from almost all other entries in the Nasuverse, not just Fate. Who recognises what doesn't matter. If Marvel brings Spider-Man into another comic book series, it's something that is relevant to the character, but it's not a Spider-Man comic book.

Don't compare anyone to Rin. She's a special case. Even a magus at least knows how to use a phone. The only magi who can't keep up with the bare minimum of modern technology are the ones who shut themselves in their workshops and live the life of a hermit, never even poking their heads out to see what's happening in the world. Rin isn't like that, as she even goes to a modern public school, and yet the most modern appliance she can make use of is a clock or a rotary phone.

It isn't chuuni if you're actually magical.
It's just being dedicated to your craft.

>If Marvel brings Spider-Man into another comic book series, it's something that is relevant to the character, but it's not a Spider-Man comic book.
If Sanda brings non-Fate characters and elements into Case Files LN, it's something that is relevant to the character/details, but it's not a non-Fate LN. Also
>Everything that is part of the Fate franchise has 'Fate' in the name.
Maybe we should stop here, user.

She's an idiot. News at 11.

>Everything that is part of the Fate franchise has 'Fate' in the name.
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There has never been a more wrong post on this site.

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Once you go Alexander, you never go back.

I like how they've kept her pro-wrestling shtick going from Unlimited Codes to UBW TV to the Fritz von Erich reference in this episode.

>Reines sexually bullying Waver while coaxing a shy Gray
Oh my fucking dick

That is no "schtick," it's a core part of her character.
In Apocrypha, the Edelfelts adopt Sakura and Luvia teaches her to be her tag-team wrestling partner.
She does a flying suplex as her Astraea NP.
Prisma is the only time I can think of her not directly doing it.

Nigga it's been a core part of her character since Fate/hollow ataraxia.

Thats why she is the best ,wrestling was a core part of her character
>she will never suplex you
is it fair bros

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oops, meant for

Does it get better?

just fuck off. If you want to go about watch mom-isekai and fap to that. We don't need infidels like you.

And you're not helping the case by giving him the (You).

That's what I mean, the series she's been in the most is the one without any wrestling references. But even though it's part of her character outside of Prillya, it's not pushed so much in favor of her other character traits.

FWF anime when?

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Or just friends. That maid was probably serving the house since they were both kids. They suffered through her father's abuse together growing up, so they're practically family.
Whether they're gay or not isn't really important.

Why do you think daddy thought is was better to go immortal than pass his magic crest?

>In Apocrypha, the Edelfelts adopt Sakura and Luvia teaches her to be her tag-team wrestling partner.
What?

It's mentioned in Apocrypha materials
>In the Fate/Apocrypha universe, the Fourth Holy Grail War didn't occur, Shirou is still living in Fuyuki with his original surname unchanged. His personality is a lot closer to his Capsule Servant counterpart. Still having an honest and upright personality, and likely going through days with a love comedy-like tone, along with a twin-tail magic-fist user and her cheerful little sister who laughs like a high-class young lady.

>The Tohsaka gave up on the Greater Grail, and now seek a new path in becoming one with the universe with Chinese Kenpou while learning magecraft. The twin-tail daughter of the family might also end up becoming the founder of a “completely new martial arts that combines magecraft and Chinse Kenpou” by the time she becomes a high school student. However, she never imagined that her younger sister who was adopted by distant relatives would come visit her in Japan after becoming a pro-wrestler with unimaginably nice proportions and forming a tag team with a drill-roll-haired girl…!

Nasu gave a short summary of what happened to the SN cast in the Apocrypha timeline.
>In “Apocrypha”, the Three Families are the magi who constructed the Fuyuki Holy Grail War… in other words, the Einzberns, Tohsaka and Makiri.
>Just as alluded in the light novels, Makiri (Matou) Zouken fought fiercely against Darnic during the Third Holy Grail War, but became practically crippled due to the shock of the Greater Grail being stolen. The family wasn’t blessed with a successor either, so their future as magi has been completely shut.
>The Tohsaka gave up on the Greater Grail, and now seek a new path in becoming one with the universe with Chinese Kenpou while learning magecraft. The twin-tail daughter of the family might also end up becoming the founder of a “completely new martial arts that combines magecraft and Chinse Kenpou” by the time she becomes a high school student. However, she never imagined that her younger sister who was adopted by distant relatives would come visit her in Japan after becoming a pro-wrestler with unimaginably nice proportions and forming a tag team with a drill-roll-haired girl…!
>The Einzberns are in the midst of struggling to make a new Greater Grail under the excuse “It was stolen, so we’ll just make a new Holy Grail”. Fortunately, in the “Apocrypha” world, a certain dead fish-eyed mercenary won’t end up becoming involved with the Einzberns, so their greatest work Illyasviel will never be born—therefore, as long as she isn’t born, the Einzberns will never despair… Is that really fortunate?

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>both Rin and Sakura turn into fighting autists

Gray: We’re just like Nancy Drew, Lady Reines!
Reines: Who’s Nancy Drew?
Gray: She’s the hero of an American-.
Reines: Yes, yes, that’s nice. Let’s keep moving.

Why is it that the good bits about Apoc are the ones they don't fucking bother to place focus on?

>Even a magus at least knows how to use a phone.
Irisviel wants to know your location

>Rin, Sakura and Luvia form an MMA trio
FUND IT

She was only nine, cut her some slack.

>hop in, user

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>get in loser, we're going shopping

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I always wondered if the ore scales got reforged in the apocrypha timeline

no way fag

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Pretty sure Professor Chaos created Beast's Lair before being a vampire and then used it on himself to become a vampire-like being.
Is just that instead of casting the reality marble on reality, he only casts it on his own body.

It’s a genetic trait user. Luvia has a imouto that she shares being the Edelfelt heir with. Talks about her in the Casefiles books.

MHX was homeless for while before becoming a space cop.

Because the author is a hack that also writes the worst parts of Extraverse and didn't realize that biker dad and angry tomboy were a perfect duo. He instead wrote a shittier Shirou, and a shittier saber, and decided that the shittier Shirou and shittier saber should be the focus.
It would be like if Strange Fake focused entirely on, actually never mind. Narita's autism makes everything in Strange Fake a wonderful ride.

>start reading F/SF
>Flatt becomes a master
it's a different timeline, right?

I thought the whole reason Edelfelts had shared heirs was because their magic crest used to be split into two before the Tohsakas took part of it during a HGW-you know, the whole reason Luvia has problems with Tohsaka in the first place.

It's the future of the Apocrypha timeline, IIRC

Nero never suffered once

It's not, it's a completely different one.

Wait doesn't Shiki have a reality marble

Wasn't she joking?

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Gray is pure

Sure, but she stopped suffering after that.
Even then, correct me if I'm wrong, but do any servants even continue to suffer after being summoned to Chaldea?

In most cultures it is considered unethical to have sex with children
Also
>sleeping with thots

I felt embarrassed for Waver when Gray caught him performing an indecent act with Iskander's cloth.

Wolfboy wants to give Grey's poophole the Knot

Ore Scales is a sorcery trait. They basically get to count as one person in a way. That’s why the Edelfelt sisters were able to summon one servant (Saber) in two aspects and have two of the same heroic spirit.

>not interest in fucking gray
>not interest in fucking Reines
>looking at Iskandar's relic alone in a room

Guys, I know this is sudden, but I think Waver may be gay.

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It's not. F/SF still has F/Z take place. America just copied the system based on data they took when they occupied Japan and built their own using good ol' MURRIKAN ingenuity separate from the Church and Association.
The real debate is whether anything from the 5th war is going to happen/has happened.
It doesn't matter though because it's going down the Tsukihime route anyways. More shit involving the ancestors and earth code is starting to pop up. Knowing Narita's autism though he probably found a way to make F/SN happen even if it's not important to F/SF.

Yeah, I can definitely see her pull a Kaguya if he actually fell for it

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Don't forget he doesn't want to fuck Taiga even when Isk tried to hook them up

>In most cultures it is considered unethical to have sex with children
Certainly not. In first world and civilized countries, is unethical, but first world is nothing compared to underveloped countries that makes most part of the world. So In most cultures it is considered ethical to have sex with children.

Its just in the one that counts, the civilized one, it isn't, but if we go by sheer numbers there are more cultures that see it as normal than cultures that consider it unethical

It was good to see Shishigou alive and well. Is there any way for best Saber Mordred to make an appearance?

The Apocrypha grail war isn't a thing, it's not happening.

>bukkake on her smug face
>her eyes instantly turn red
>she cry for help
Best way to punish this goblina without punching her.

Weren't they gonna "fix" this art?

Maybe he just doesn't want to be a sister slammer.
They are adopted siblings after all.

Maan, girls with sweet voices always make the best smug sadistic characters.

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>In most cultures it is considered unethical to have sex with children
This takes place in Britain though.

Grey being gang raped by Pakis when

There is something I don't get, aren't mages supposed to stay away from technology because it someway kills the mistery of things and makes them worse mages?

I remember Rin being out of contact of anything technological and the Necromancer in apocrypa using an skeleton fax and both mentioning they have to use old methods because technology knowledge is bad for mages

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When will Waver man the fuck up and beat her in her own game?

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Caules is a progressive mage.

It's not that tech is bad for them. It's just that they don't give a fuck about it and thus end up being bad at it.

The progression of science (knowledge) and other people figuring out what the details of your magic and its basis dilutes its mystery. Having tech and computers doesn’t do anything if it’s around. But the two don’t mix either.

>thot
take that back

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Iskander taught him how to be a manly man with regards to terrible things like magecraft and war. He never taught him about the dick and slaying women with it. That's probably because Iskander was a massive fag in real life.

>openly states her intentions to have sex with a man
>thot

Didn't Iskandar told him to eat, fuck and sleep or something like that?

Good thing we're talking about 2D then.

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5th war happened, they even consider finding Shirou and grabbing him to fight Gilgamesh. Rin is at the Clocktower. It's probably some weird hybrid route though.

Nero may have been the perfect emperor who was beloved by all her subjects but there was a time when she thought she was hated and tried to commit suicide and couldn't bleed out for 3 days.

Iskander tried to get him and Taiga to play a full baseball game, but it didn't work out

So would we call this spinoff Fate/Fighting Love?

Reminder Iskander had a four way when he was twelve

I'm guessing it's probably a Stay Night/UBW hybrid route then.

>Nero may have been the perfect emperor who was beloved by all her subjects but there was a time when she thought she was hated and tried to commit suicide and couldn't bleed out for 3 days.
That's what nerokeks want to believe

Ah, Grand Order. Aka Guda cucks the entire Nasuverse

> she thought she was hated and tried to commit suicide and couldn't bleed out for 3 days.
Wait, they kept her suicide (attempt) from actual history as canon but sandblasted off everything else? What?

It will never be weird how Kiritsuga's shitty half-baked training somehow formed the ultimate anti-GIlgamesh weapon. You'd almost think it was on purpose but they never bring it up

What a fucking slut. People calling Reines a thot just for propositioning her nii-sama like a good sister should are out of line.

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90% of the characters are explicitly not for (You) dumb mobagefag

Kiritsugu's main part in Shirou's development were killing his family and implanting Avalon inside him. Rest came pretty naturally.

It's pretty much the college freshman dorm of heroic spirits. Everyone there is having a good time.

It was a mixture of Kerry's training, his ethics instilled in Shirou, Shirou's trauma and survival guilt, and probably most importantly having one of the most significant NPs in human history, the scabbard of the sword created by Gaia itself, being literally embedded in his body for ten years. Or possibly his whole life in non-Fate route scenarios.

youtube.com/watch?v=EXdXoKoW5Js
Yes, Nero is the hero whose great wisdom allowed her to put out the great fire of rome in one single night. Despite this, the subjects who universally loved her simply accepted that she was overthrown by a bunch of bad senators and so she committed suicide.

Iskander literally tried to set him up with zecchan (taiga) .

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You can't say NO to Guda, user.
That number is a huge overestimation.

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>Infamously "fiddled while Rome burned"
>N-no, she actually put it out all on her own
Sakurai must be stopped. This has gone too fucking far.

I wish someone set me up with Taiga

Technology is killing magecraft because it explains how everything works, thus killing the mystery that magecraft works on. Mages being bad at technology is just them too stuck on traditions to give a fuck.

She was joking.
But if she weren't what's wrong with women being horny you inc*l?

Well he probably ain't a pedo

>shit encore
>canon
>Trusting a well known lying whore

No one knows what happened with Nero. Lunatic is well corroborated, but a lot of the character stories about Nero were created by the Catholic Church because of Nero's role in the execution of Christians.
Sakurai rewriting Nero's story fits with the fact that Nero has very little historical evidence left of him and has been rewritten several times by governing powers.

Don't worry, Nero also has a bad side to her where she represents one of humanity's greatest evils as the beast Mother Harlot.

I think people have forgotten that the original rules of F/SN have long since been upended. Every hero can be shaped and reshaped by perception due to the throne and how it works. You can summon evil aspects of the legend, heroic aspects, "factual" aspects, etc. Every version is the real version because of the observation of humanity and their beliefs.

Faculty of Modern Magecraft Theories motherfucker.

the christians fucking hated nero's guts, I wouldn't put too much value on what they wrote down about him.

I think the point at which you take all the most famous and prevalent aspects of a person and rewrite to the inverse is the point at which you've overstepped the line.
I mean, what's the fucking point? You might as well rewrite Saber while you're at it, make her a Roman-Briton general who doesn't have a magic sword because that shit was borrowed from Irish folklore and everything after the original Welsh records might as well be fanfiction.

That has yet to be demonstrated.

Fate/strange Fake is a weird world which contains both Tsuki and Fate elements and also a different timeline from F/SN and Apoc. In TM Ace 10, Narita directly noted the link between FSF and Fate/school life (which is a heavily modified HF route, anyway).

I miss Extra Nero that knew she was a shitty ruler and was trying to be a better person. Mary Sue Nero fucking sucks.

The fact that even the ending of Apocrypha is a reverse copy of Last Episode makes me angry. Come on! Come up with sth better. I get the idea that Sieg is supposed to be blank as fuck since he's just a homuculus, but at least they can give him some unique trait to separate him from typical nice guy MC. Funny enough, his gay relationship with Astolfo is the only good thing about him. The romantic relationship between him and Jeanne make no fucking sense, hence destroys Jeanne's character even though she has potential to be at least a tolerable MC. The only good part of this mess is Kairi, Mordred, Karna, Chiron and Achilles

Given the time period you can't borrow things from irish folklore because the irish identity didn't exist. Most of the various shit like Scotts, Welsh, Britons, and Irish didn't exist properly until after Rome got involved with the isles.
The Welsh records are the basically the oldest source anyone can point to. Saying it borrowed from Irish folklore is just another attempt at claiming ownership of Arthurian legend that every fucking European cultural interest group tries.

???:
>Welcome! I am Japan’s best Daimyō of Rome, Nero!

Rome’s Daimyō Nero:
>This is the Roman Empire of Osaka, governed by I, the Daimyō of Rome!

>[But Your Highness, you don’t have an Alter or anything] / [Japan’s best Daimyō of Rome…ugh…my head…]

Rome’s Daimyō Nero:
>Umu! I thought that it’s about time I extend my hand into to this Alter business.
>Firstly, we'll have this Alter trial of sorts. Not having a color swap is a budgetary circumstance, so this is allowed!

Nagao Kagetora:
>There seems to be a specific style to the fashion of these Alters.
>I could kinda be known as Uesugi Kenshin Alter, right?
>Or are name changes not really what it means?

Okita Sōji:
>Well, Kagetora-san does already have an Alter-ish color scheme...

Rome’s Daimyō Nero:
>A-ny-ways!
>I’ve heard that this country of gold, "Zipangu", has an accumulation of treasures, so I have established this territory as the new Roman Empire of Japan!
>I heard this from some rider with an amazing beard…what’d he say…yes, that’s right: he said it was written that there was a country with mountains of gold in these Eastern lands!

Chief Retainer Mashu
>Isn’t that the information reported by Marco Polo?

Rome’s Daimyō Nero:
>A-ffir-ma-tive!
>Umu! The eastern country "Zipangu" glistens with gold! It’s like a dream!

>[Oof, he was comparatively mistaken, Your Highness] / [The truth of those "mountains of gold" is way different…]

Rome’s Daimyō Nero:
>Da-dunn! I’m speechless!

And still in F/SN itself Fakesassin demonstrated that perception has its limits and you cannot summon a nonexistent eiyuu. Only true exceptions to this afaik since then has been powerful concepts like Nursery Rhyme or Grail-powered fanfic like Jeanne Alter, Cuzilla, and Bunyan. Holmes tried to bullshit his way past us into thinking that real or fictional doesn't matter, but Moriarty called him out on his dodgy logic.

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To be honest having the 5th Grail war be a hybrid original route would fit in with the Fake/True War motif. Plus Narita has a weird sense of humor where he likes to lie, then make that lie true, only change the nature of the lie later on.

The rules keep changing, and every time something from Tsuki-era Type-Moon shows up they basically laugh at the "rules" and say they're bullshit self-imposed limitations. The universe is grander than humanity can comprehend which is why a lot of the rules even exist, but constantly get broken at the same time.

Wasn't a plot point in Extella Link that the legendary version of Charlemagne was never supposed to be summonable, and the coexistence of legendary Charlemagne and historical Karl de Grosse in that game was a huge anomaly?

Amazing how Nero hasn't gotten a alter version yet.

no she just average Professor Velvet pupil.

Either way, it wasn't in the original records, so it doesn't matter, Monmouth and the early medieval Welsh records took a fuckton of liberties.

Arthur hasn't defeated Beast VI/L and VI/R yet, user. Mother Harlot is one of them, and her summonable version will be Nero Alter.

I'm very curious to see what would happen when Shiro see grey for the first time

>tfw they're probably saving the halves of Beast VI for a Prototype (Fragments) collab event
>tfw out of all the Beasts, nearly half of them will have been wasted on fucking collab events

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Haha wouldn't it be funny if we put Avalon inside Gray holding Rhongobongo?

she needs to close her mouth

But the perception of humanity only seems to matter whenever the fuck the author wants it to matter. Otherwise the goddamn franchise poster girl Seiba would never have been summonable, because there is no history or legend that records King Arthur as female. And yes I know that Saber in FSN is not a heroic spirit yet, but she and her alts which appear in FGO are.

What about male Arthur?

>Gray states in FGO that Lancer Artoria is what she will become once she fully becomes Artoria.
So would giving her Avalon halt her growth and we would get a Lancer Artoria but with Saber Artoria's proportions?

FGO plays with parallel universes and timelines. That's why you can summon the Arturia that loses Excalibur and becomes a titty monster, or male Arthur, or space Arthur, or you get the point.
Strange Fake also shows you can sometimes summon the myth itself since that's what Flat did with Jack.

Fake was confirmed to be set in the same universe as Fate/school life's HF1.5 take on the HGW. It's a weird future world.

I have trouble following this series as I havent read the VN yet and Reines being so cute doesnt help me at all!
still mad cause anime ruined her arc and the whole series

Caliburn was what stopped Saber's aging, though.

Only the aristocratic faction (and some in neutral) care about that to the point of autism. Tokiomi was always said by Kotomine to be an extremist even as far mages are concerned.

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And then avalon. They both have that property or she would've aged past 14 after caliburn got destroyed.

why everyone now got fucking Mystic Eyes?

Because only Gold, Jewel or Rainbow Mystic Eyes are supposed to be super rare. The other ones are uncommon, but we are talking about mages so they are all about uncommon things.

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Saber didn't live very long (maybe mid-20s/early 30s at Camlann) and it's never clearly stated when Caliburn broke, nor that Caliburn's effect wore off when it broke, it could very well have lingered. Avalon is never indicated to prevent aging.

He watches anime about not-babbage and not-Fran. You really think he gives a fuck?

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>Mystic Eyes [Unusual talent]
>Typically, single-action sorceries possessed by magi.
>They are created by changing the eyeballs, which by nature are passive receptors of information from the external world, into tools for actively influencing the external world. Humans within the user's field of vision will have sorcery cast on them without question, and should they happen to make direct eye contact the effect will be dramatically increased. In short, they are a fearsome sorcery trait – not only are they something that must not be seen, but simply being seen by them means you have fallen into your opponent's trap. Because of their conceal ability and capability, they are considered the mark of a first-class magus. Though, artificial mystic eyes are limited to effects on the level of charm or suggestion.
>The most powerful mystic eyes are those which are possessed from birth. Things like Shiki's mystic eyes that can see the death of things, or mystic eyes that can turn someone to stone with a glance, are "psychic abilities" that cannot be reenacted even with sorcery.
>Mystic eyes can be ranked by color. Normal mystic eyes shine red or green. Strong ones glow a luminous gold. And eyes that fall in the realm of gods glimmer with multiple colors, like jewels or rainbows.
>By the way, though Akiha's "Origami" bears a striking resemblance to mystic eyes, it is actually a kind of curse. And despite Shiki's eyes being called the "mystic eyes" of death perception, strictly speaking they are a psychic ability – specifically, the "pure eyes" possessed by saints and holy men.

>Mommy Gray actually babying Waver
Holy shit.

>do any servants even continue to suffer after being summoned to Chaldea?
Maybe Kiara cause she's restraining herself? Also she suffers from a permanent cause of Hans bullying.
Outside of her though, Chaldea is probably the best gig a servant can get. You got some that normally wouldn't exist or be summonable like Bunyan, the alter egos, Scathach, etc who enjoy themselves like never before. It's also the longest tenure any of them get by a long shot, cause no normal grail war contract lasts for so long. They even get vacations during the long breaks between fighting. All while serving a master they universally love or respect. You can't really ask for better as a servant.

>Angra Mainyu is just a weak human despite his legend stating him to be the king of devils
>every single fucking Servant in FGO gets beefed up by their legend regardless of whether it actually occurred

That's was explained in HA though. Angra is weak because he doesn't even have an actual name anymore. He is kind of a special case.

Also, being a Servant upgraded him in a way too. He gets the loop and the two daggers, he is just weak anyway.

>[Unusual talent]
>every other nerdmo has it

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This is true to what FSN itself says: Reality Marbles are as close to the Five Magics as you can get, and they are normally only found in the possession of entities like high-ranking spirits or demons. It would cheapen how much of a big deal it is for Shirou to have one if everyone had one.

Are you fucking brain dead? Case Files literally takes place in the same timeline as Stay Night.
>Carnival Phantasm
>Emiya-san Chi no Kyou no Gohan
I guess those aren't Fate works, huh? Kill yourself. Commit fucking suicide. Right now.

Unusual doesn't mean super rare. Mages as a concept are "unusual" too.

She honestly has to be in at least her 30s. She needs to have been old enough for her myth to last the same amount of time as Arthur. Plus it needs to run a length for Galahad to become a teenager, from Lancelot's idiotic sexual escapades.

user, there is an entire ranking system for them and the lower ranks can be replicated just with effort. Only the big tier ones are like winning a super power lottery.

Mystic Eyes are said to be a sign of a high tier mage, but nowhere it says they are some unique shit that never happens.

Galahad was never born from the affair with Guinevere, he was born long before that.

I mean we were already told that Shirou having a usable RM is unusual enough that he would probably get slapped with a sealing designation if anyone at the clock tower knew.

>though he'd theoretically be capable of it
Theoretically yes. But he'd need to train it up from scratch, get all his circuits going, training, and so on. Same way original EMIYA had to (it took him 10+ years), same way Fate Shirou will have to. Assuming he can/wants to.

UBW Shirou basically had the equivalent of New Game Plus, because he's exposed directly to Archer's UBW, the climax partially revolves around needing to learn how to use his RM, and he gained NPs inside it that Archer had been exposed to over the course of his life and follow-up life as a Heroic Spirit (Fate Shirou, for example, wouldn't have the chance of having Rho Aias in his nascent UBW at the end of the 5th war, he never saw it used). That's why he's so far ahead of the other routes in mastering his ability.

His Origin is Sword. Avalon changed his Elemental Affinity to Sword as well. That's what enables his seigi-no-mikata to produce an RM.

They're unusual among general population. Fairly common among mages because mage families literally breed selectively to preserve them when they appear.

Fate's version of Arthurian Legend is a combination of the events ranging from the welsh fanfic all the way to the 19th century American version. It doesn't follow the "I'm angry about NTR" canon.

>do any servants even continue to suffer after being summoned to Chaldea?
Okita has to suffer with incurable magic TB, forever.

Being gay is unusual, but you and plenty of other people are it

>but do any servants even continue to suffer after being summoned to Chaldea?

Kiritsugu and Salieri. Not only are their backstories depressing, even their Valentines' CE scenes are too.

This is unrelated to his affair with Guinevere. We all know that Galahad's a bastard born to some random girl. The point is lancelot and Saber should be about the same age. Lancelot also backs this up because he has time in his lifespan for teenager during lifetime. Also, Artoria and Arthur being equal she has to have ruled long enough to have an equivalent length of reign to Arthur's Mordred becoming a teenager.

>He didn't read FGO Camelot

Mordred was a homunculus and considering that they don't age conventionally that doesn't really meant much.

Arthur's Mordred wasn't a homunculus

>gets a Master he can respect
>gets to cook for a small army every day
>gets to hang out with Seiba outside of Avalon, as well as Rin, Sakura, Illya, and Taiga
>gets to honestly fight to save the world without any CG janitor bullshit
Is FGO actually EMIYA's true Good End?

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Cut an apple in two. Take away one half. You can cut what's left in half still.

In other words, you can still reforge Ore Scales. The genetic trait of two-as-one still exists in the Edelfelt bloodline. But the Crest itself is still a bit fucked because the Tohsakas took one of them. And that's the bigger problem: the point of a Crest is codification, building on what's come before, and preserving the amount of Mystery. The older the magus lineage, the more circuits you have in your Crest, the more spells stored, the more Mystery and Magecraft is available.

With Grandpa Tohsaka taking the Edelfelt heir, all the Edelfelt knowledge is now also the property of the Tohsaka family. It's spreading the knowledge, not codifying it. It's a huge jump forward for the Tohsakas, since they got a bunch of new shit. Edelfelts didn't get jack though.

>tfw fucking Edison and Tesla were THE biggest Mystery killers of the modern era by harnessing lightning

>The whole "Anti-Science" thing is what Magi wish they were.
>The very action of recreating miracles is what led to the decline of mystery.
>By seeking a path to the Root or even in re-drawing in, magi are inevitably looking forward, consuming resources, destroying mystery.

Fiddled while Rome burned is actually supported only by Suetonius (and he doesn't call it a fiddle). Suetonius, however, is pro-Senate and anti-Nero, more interested in "biographical morality" than history, and is one of the biggest gossipmongers of Roman historians. Tacitus, by contrast, makes no mention of Nero actually starting the fire, and instead remarks on how he opened various estates and private residences to the public so that they could escape the flames and have somewhere to stay during the cleanup.

Outside most of the "stories" about Nero and the fires etc., generally he seems to get the same sort of reaction that most Emperors do who ignored the Senate. He was pro-culture, Greek-influenced and educated, spent a lot of time out in the provinces, and this was seen as a bad thing by the Senate.

Pretty much. At least once they got around to making him not shit as a servant.

I think how FGO handles Archer is kind of stupid. They pretty much just turned him into Shirou.

Seriously though, how many times has Waver jacked off into this cloth?

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I'm more interested in their explanation for how a girl managed to become the emperor in an extremely patriarchal Roman society. Julio-Claudian memes can't have been THAT strong.

does the loli actually have a lady boner for waver

>FGO is stupid
FTFY

>fiddled while Rome burned
That has been proven wrong by historians decades ago. Hollywood should just let it go.

He was also eating off of lead plates and drinking from lead cups all the time. Going mad from lead poisoning is more than to be expected.

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>Alter Nero's NP is Rome burning and its her fiddling while her enemies burn to death.

It’s not the Rin, Sakura and Illya he knew though

The fact half his interactions in chaldea have him in hair down shirou mode should tell you this. Guy actually gets to chill out there.

> I think Waver may be gay.
Waver is 100% HETEROSEXUAL!

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Considering how he had to fight in various past/future/alternate realities as a spirit for an eternity I doubt that really bothers him.

Are you guys honestly ok with Gray being another saber clone?

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Well at least there's a reason for Gray to be a Saber clone. Nasu's still a hack though.

This is a Fatefag thread and saberfaces is what defines Fate nowadays.

Yes, it wouldn't be a fate anime without their Pikachu character design. Real question is how they shove a Saberface in babylon.

Every Fate installment needs a Saberclone.

You might be up to something there

Nasu shoved Rinfaces there instead. Gotta share the love.

I like how they play her mother as a crazy cult person who is ecstatic about her daughter turning into Artoria and losing her mind and soul.

I don't know if Sanda hates the Saberface thing or he found it funny to troll a bit with the concept and the insanity it represents nowadays.

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I can't wait to watch Eresh be the flavor of the month waifu on Yea Forums

Great to see Cisigo again and the Apocrypha gang before most of them die when they head off to their Grail wars.

Compared to ones like Nero or Jeanne, who share the face "just because", I'm more fine with Gray since it did have a vaguely interesting reason with the whole cult thing. Also the fact that the story actually uses it as a dynamic for Waver hating it and her loving him because he hates it.

*Adjusts glasses*

Truly modern magecraft is the pleb filter of thaumaturgy. People who dismiss it because "muh mystery" forget a very simple fact about magecraft, so basic that it actually makes some sense for people to forget it completely: all roads lead to the Root.

Some cunt wamts to reach the root by achieving perfect Feng Shui, some asshole believes that the Root can be reached by achieving the perfect beauty, another douchebag thinks he can conquer the spiral of origin by studying how caterpillars become butterflies. Everything comes from the Root, and everything returns to the Root. In this sense, one could say that Modern Magecraft is the inverse, or the "mirror", of traditional magecraft, rather than a heretical break from it: where traditional thaumaturgy holds on to the past to advance, modern magecraft makes use of the future to "go back", to the beginning, to the origin, to the Root. After all, if magi can use knowledge of the ancient to peer into the future in the form of prophecies and premonitons, who can say that the reverse cannot be done?

In the end, it all goes back to mystery, which is the essence of magecraft. If the entire foundation of magus society seems to delve into the mystery of the unknown past, then Modern Magecraft delves into the mystery of the future.

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The Apocrypha grail war doesn't happen in a timeline where Darnic didn't steal the grail.

>before most of them die when they head off to their Grail wars.
That's not going to happen in this timeline though.

So would MHX see Gray as an ally in her war against Saberfaces?

Nero and DUDE is a shitty dindu. At least Urobuchi grow up and wrote Qin better.

What did Iskander do to be a didndu exactly.

Reines is only nice to Grey though. She's a carpet muncher.

Considering how much Nasu jerk over martial arts, Apoc Rin might be stronger than FSN Rin.

Is that enough though? At this point I'm completely sure that for every Fate spin-off/sidestory there's an executive meeting where they emphasize the importance of having at least a Saber lookalike so they can sell merchandise. Doesn't really matter how good the creative team can spin it, it's a Saber clone with some Mashu added in.

She's just being cool bro.

>I don't know if Sanda hates the Saberface thing or he found it funny to troll a bit with the concept and the insanity it represents nowadays.

user, about 50% of Saberfaces are le ironic xD

Not gonna lie, I was upset when I got to that part in the first volume. But after some thought, I came to the conclusion that all things considered it's the most tasteful implementation of the saberclone, while having a sweet dose of irony and meta jokes on top.

Why do I say tasteful? Because the circumstances around Gray's saberface are pure classic Type Moon goodness. Everything revolves around an autistic ploy from autistic magi spanning generations to reach a goal. If we had no knowledge of Fate's servant buffet, we could see it as a typical magus story and be none the wiser. It's still bad optics if you raise it to the fandom level, no matter how you spin it. Since she's the latest of a line of saberclones, one simply cannot dismiss the idea that she was shoved in as cashcow bait.

The other acceptable Saberface would be Mordred, going by the assumption that you accept that King Arthur was a grill, but the retarded pseudo-male shit (Oh Merlin, what are we gonna do with you lol~~) brings it down something fierce.

Requiem doesn't have a Saberface yet right?

Would Kayneth approve of Reines flirting with the student who took his title and Rider cloth? He's peak cuckold.

Nasu's "original" content dunot stel being fucking Beast is a disgrace. Goetia and Tiamat is the only scary Beast.

>but the retarded pseudo-male shit (Oh Merlin, what are we gonna do with you lol~~) brings it down something fierce
The funniest part about that is that was only brought in Fate/side material and never again. No Apocrypha, no Garden of Avalon ever mentioned any of the Merlin penis joke thing ever again.

At this point it doesn't really feel like Fate if it doesn't include a Saber clone

>jannu and varients
>fucking Indian jannu
>Nero
All played strait.
>Okita
Takeuchi sent her design to the koha-ace guy to fuck around, and Koha-ace embraced it instead
>Gray
Saberface but due to plot forcing her to be one.
I'm not counting the actual Artoria varients.

Putting aside the Dark Sakuraclone design, what's wrong with Beast Kama?

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>britbong
>not a pedo
pakis are not the only pedos infesting those islands, those island monkey natives are buncha pedos too.

The whole Ionian Hetatroi is total bullshit considering he purposefully lead his army into a desert to starve them to death to punish them. Plus he killed Cletus in drunken rage, who the fuck would follow that kind of "king", Saber should've point out that bullshit to him. At least King Arthur never went dead drunk and kill his own knights.

Well she's only 50% OC.

Her being an event only enemy, instead of a big bad during the main stories really lower the stakes. Plus her being summonable also lower her threat level.

He's probably going to talk about the prevalence of assassination among Macedonian aristocrats and Cleitus' death, which is a narrow viewpoint that ignores the historical reality that Alexander had something special that even his most brilliant contemporaries did not have. The principal reason everything fell apart so quickly after his death is because he really was the only man who had the charisma and vision to gather and command the group of diverse talents who later became the Diadocchi.

These are the same dumb asses who followed Alexander the great all the way to India in the real world. it's not at all surprising the people who were with him to his death in Babylon stick around. inb4 poisoning conspiracies.

You know that Saber actually won the debate at the banquet of the kings, right? The only people who don't understand that are the same kind of people who misuse the virgin walk/chad stride meme.

Arthur massacred villages of his/her own people to kill every baby of a generation that would supposedly destroy Camelot instead. But Camelot ended up being destroyed anyway.
Gil abused his people and then left his city unprotected which reduced its population to a single person living in the ruins. His story had a good end with the return and prosperity though.

Running a kingdom for 10 years and then having your people get wiped out by invaders is not a compelling argument. She didn't win shit.

I don't really like it, even if she's not as horrible as Nero she is a pointless character anyway. Looks like everyone fine with how easy they make clones right now, nut I just can't stand it no matter what. I see just a character with "I'M HERE TO SELL THIS SHIT" sticker on her face.

Was that ever in doubt? Once you've lost your virginity to Iskandar, every other girl just seems boring by comparison.

Is it viewed as unethical in China and India? Because if so, it's still viewed as wrong by most of humanity.

Adoption makes it hotter

>making things to sell is bad
user, get the stick out of your ass and accept reality.

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At least for once it's treated as a bad thing for her to be a Saber face and she really hates being it for personal reasons, instead of literally glorifying Saber yet again or having an identical person without any reason.

Do I get a choice in this?

I'm pretty sure that's because Alter Nero would be the beast of revelation.

No one really won the debate. All were right in their own way.

Not really. I'm tired of Saberclones being shoved everywhere. They should have a little more faith in their new characters, they can manage on their own.

Only his generals. The common soldiery should've been mad pissed at him.

>Arthur massacred villages of his/her own people to kill every baby of a generation that would supposedly destroy Camelot instead
Where is this stated again?

>Gil abused his people and then left his city unprotected which reduced its population to a single person living in the ruins. His story had a good end with the return and prosperity though.
The point of this argument is that Iskandar get turned into a dindu like Nero. Gil got the opposite of that, because Nasu didn't went full retard like Butcher and Sakurai. Gil is literally a perfectly written character.

All of that about Ionoi is kind of brought into Case Files with Faker. She basically calls on the hipocrisy of the Diadochi for being in the reality marble after all they did.

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Change Arhur's gender to sell eroge is fine, they are creating something new at least. Adding a character to milk her from their old popularity is a pure cancer.

Its the one time it actually works. Proof that TM's main problem is 90% of the current writers are hacks and the fans are 'tards

>stop complaining and consume product

Isn't Iskandar supposed to be a idealized version of the guy though?

Out of Curiosity is UBW good end worst end for gray?

Iskandar's concept as a character is definitely based in the Alexander from the medieval Alexander Romance and the the story of Dhul-Qarnayn.

Artoria puts forth the proposition that the ruler is the first magistrate of the people--he creates the law, enforces the law, and is himself subject to the law that he (or his predecessors) have created. This political principle is observed by the governments of all of the most successful countries in the modern world, and the implementation of this principle was a key factor in why Western Europe was able to overtake every other region of the world during the Enlightenment. Free enterprise and scientific achievement go hand-in-hand with rule of law.

Iskandar and Gilgamesh put forth the proposition that laws are merely an extension of the ruler's will and ultimately exist to serve the interests of the ruler. This political principle continues to be practiced today by the banana republics of South America, tinpot dictators in Africa, and in North Korea.

It's not even a question of whose opinion you think is right. The historical record overwhelmingly proves that Artoria's proposition is the correct way to lead one's country to greatness and that despotism like Iskandar and Gilgamesh are advocating is not.
>muh Camelot collapsing
If a single failure caused by the worst kinds of outside pressures disproves the efficacy of rule of law as a governing principle, what would you call the thousands of failed despotisms through all of human history? inb4 "true despotism has not been tried"

The nigger had a giant bronze statue of himself to place inside his retardly large palace. He was a terrible ruler.

Garden of Avalon even goes beyond and says that Camelot was destined to collapse. What Artoria was trying to do was to made the process as painless and peaceful as possible. It's just that she was hoisted with her own petard (or maybe Lancelot's one).

Yes. But all would have been forgiven in real life as well if she was a cute girl.

>Mysterious Heroine X,Y and Z
>Okita Alter
>Probably more I don't actually care about

Mysterious heroines are flat out artoria
okita alter was an idiotic power up form for okita.

Little girls like Reines should continue to be smug and impish and protected at all cost.

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Yeah. But it makes his whining in FSN look even more petty

>i-it doesn't count because I say so!

Ok

>Artoria puts forth the proposition that the ruler is the first magistrate of the people--he creates the law, enforces the law, and is himself subject to the law that he (or his predecessors) have created
Huh, she'll get along swimmingly with QSH.

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Where’s this from?

Paradox Spiral.

>user, about 50% of Saberfaces are le ironic xD
Mystious heroines are true sabers not saberfaces like it or not. If you're going to be this pedantic about it we have to count saber lion and galactical saber. I'll tell you till the end of time they're jokes of one character, not new characters.

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>Reines in FGO
>Qin still hasn’t tried to eat her mercury maid

Wasted opportunity

Chaldea's Qin doesn't go full retard and drink mercury.

Why in a franchise full of uber monsters, the big baddies tend to be rando priests/nuns?

>it's another FGO cringeposting episode

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Camelot's fall being a Quantum Timelock is the biggest BS, just made up so that Saber can be excused for being a shitty king.

>Gil is literally a perfectly written character.
lol........

Do you have an actual argument?

Oh shit, you were serious? I'm so sorry.

She's the worst Beast of all. She jobbed to a bunch of literal whos and her own retardation.

So you don't.

Archer is summoned to be a hero of justice to fight the bad guys and save the world, and he doesn't need to go around killing innocent people. He even gets to cook in his spare time. This is probably even better than what he thought he signed up for when becoming a CG.

So give him Archer's personality while doing those things. Don't just make him adopt all of Shirou's mannerisms when it's been shown previously that casual Archer is still wildly different from Shirou.

How horny is she really?

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The fact that she immediately drops Waver for (You) in FGO means she is probably extremely so.

Yes.

(You) are just her student though

Consider the following, there is probably an adult Reines running around outside of Chaldea in FGO.

Which one

Regardless, yes

Reines enjoys teasing Waver but that's about it. Gray is probably into Waver. Reines has a soft spot for Gray.

I want a doujin of both of them getting fucked at the same time, with loli Reines being especially smug about seeing her older self getting fucked.

>Be on vacation in UK
>See Reines El-Melloi Archisorte gliding down the sidewalk
>Like a graceful penguin with gout
>Follow her for a block
>Working up courage
>Gently touch her shoulder
“H-hello, I’m user. Y-you’re the prettiest girl I’ve seen all day! W-would you join me for dinner?”
>She spins around nearly smashing me in the balls with an Chaldea bag
>Stares intently for a few moments
>Then breaks into a grin that looks like she could eat an apple through a chain link fence
“YEH ORLRITE! FAK IT, WHY NOT? I CUD DO WIV SOME FREE GRUB ANNA LITTLE OF THE OL IN OUT!”
>Quickly grab her hand and go into the first restaurant I see that has tablecloths
“FAKKIN ELL! POSH ERE INNIT? GLAD I PUT SUM KNICKERS ON!
>She lets out a little giggle that sounds like a horse with it’s leg caught in a wood chipper
>Head waiter gives me the stinkeye but leads us to a table
>Reines cocks her head and squints at the menu
“ERE NOW, WATS THIS SHITE? IT’S ORL IN FAKKIN SUMERIAN! OI CARNT READ THIS, I’LL END UP GETTIN A PLATE OF FAKKIN SNAILS WUNNOI?!?”
>Look at the menu. It’s in English, just a fancy script
>She shoves her menu at the waiter
“I WONT PIE AND MASHU DUNNOI. PLENTY OF LIKKER ON THA MASH, GUV!”
“I’m sorry, madam, we don-“
“I SED FAKKIN PIE AND MASHU M8! AND A PINTA LARGER FOR ME EDACHE!”
>He slinks away without even taking my order
>Reines pulls a pack of Mayfairs from her cleavage and sparks up, ashing in the bread basket
>Starts rubbing at her crotch
>Brings her fingers up and licks them then cackles
“JOLLY FAKKIN ELL, IT’S ME TIME! OI LUV GITTIN SHAGGED ONNA RAG! GUNNA AVE US A RED WEDDIN INNA LOO, AIN’T WE?”
>Look over my shoulder and frantically signal the waiter for the check
>Turn around
>Reines is slumped over the table
>Raped to death by a gang of Pakis

never gets old

The arms and legs I'm fine with, but the colors are too flat and the chin so disproportionate

Yes. The rest of the endings are fine for her though.

That's no different from numerous other emperors and kings throughout history.

Augustus funded huge rebuilding and beautification projects for Rome to make it look pretty, not to mention adding the Ara Pacis that glorified him among other things. Was he a terrible ruler?

So basically Grey gets fucked because Rin won't just let Saber go. What a cunt.

Yeah. at most she'lll just become Saber's twin, at worst it's gonna be like a time/dimension traveller and his other self touching.

Why didn't the 4th war happen in Apocrypha?

>choose between the savior of Britain or some kid

Because the third war had different events and it ended with the greater grail stolen by some nazi, how did you miss that? They go out of the way to info dump you on exactly that first episode.

Never mind, remembered that the Grail was stolen.

>What a cunt.
I mean she's japanese...

>Waver has no interest in her.

Waver is an idiot.

To be fair Rin gets to fuck Saber whenever she wants, so I can't blame her for keeping Saber around.

>going after Waver
>going after Guda
Man does she got a thing over shitty magus? She's such a sadist she want to see her kid suffer over having horrible circuit.

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Because Darnic stole the grail in the third war and didn't start the new war until around when the 4th war would have happened.

Waver is a Chad*

and a Magus

Rin doesn't go that way.

user, Shirou is the redman

Yeah I remembered it as soon as I clicked Submit.

Having sex Goddess Maaya Sakamoto voice Young Alexander was a mistake. It's turning the FGOs gay

Rin realizes she swings for both tams during Saber's sex scene in F/SN when she's warming Saber up for Shirou.

Then why is she only paired with the Shirou and redman?

I want Reines to mercilessly bully my tiny ten inch dick

shh don't wake lord el melloi II

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DES

Is Reines' maid also voiced by Inorin?

Because she doesn't realize she swings that way until she has sex with a girl, and the only the only time she does that is with Saber during the threesome in the Fate route. It's exceedingly likely though at some point post-UBW she would end up having a threesome with Saber and Shirou as well.

I mean, if getting Saber's face is seen as terrible, then sure. Gray's personal hatred of the idea aside, there are far worse fates. Saber is already summoned anyway, and by the time the Fifth War ends Gray'll be relatively screwed no matter what.

Fucking HELL waver is fucking cute I wish I was Alexander to destroy his butthole

If she ends up looking like this, I don't seethe problem.

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Why is Goetia Beast I and Tiamat Beast II, when Tiamat existed ages before Goetia did?

Tiamat wasn't a beast then. Beast Tiamat was born as a side effect of Goetia's plan.

lmao GOtertiary.

And yet in all official media she's never once shown as anything other than heterosexual. Really makes you think.

>Einzbern summon a Servant that can literally command other Servants to kill themselves
>still lose and get their Grail stolen

Maaya Sakamoto voices a servant of all 7 main classes plus Ruler and Avenger.

Given that he hates Japan and never really shows intrest in non-Alexander men, probably A.

Beasts become Beasts, they are not one since the start. Tiamat only turns into Beast II due to Goetia's actions.

>in all official media
Are you forgetting the most important official media?

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This isn't sexual though. She's just doing her duty.

WAKE UP, ANIKI

Where is my fucking money, Waver?

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Okay, that makes sense.

With all the obsession mages have with magic circuits, why haven't they made stories about mages attempting IVF and selective abortion?

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King of the Britain

>abortion
Probably because it's so commonly done, no one bat an eyelid over it.

>IVF
muh tradition

Oh shit! It's Avenger Ebenezer Scrooge!

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>now that there's no site for shota it will never be TLd

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Based. Waver is such a cute slut.

>two week from C96
>panda dies
That horsefucker planned this.

What this user said.

Clearly it's just Seiba's charisma taking effect.

so suffice to say it's not gay
it's seiasexual

>seia
seiba
jesus fucking christ brain

Saber looks really into it too

She's really repressed. She probably jacked that penis Merlin gave her until it's all bloody and shit. Morgan wouldn't have any trouble at all collecting her sperm.

So just spoil me on this, how does Case Files end? Waver doesn't go to Fuyuki, then what?

Gray turns blonde because Saber got summoned

Iskander becomes a divine spirt, Waver becomes a servant in his own right.

Fucking hell

Shirou summoning Saber gives Gray an extra oompf needed to defeat Heartless. Add dies but gets better. Waver reunites very shortly with Iskandar and says him that he is not only his subject but his friend. The 5th HGW starts and goes as we know.

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>Iskandar becomes a divine spirit
u wot

Add's personality is based on Seiba's onii-chan

Only for a short period of time. Heartless plan is based on the idea of using him to create a new god for Modern Magecraft and turn that into AoG magic by correlation and symbolism.

No doubt.

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I'm fine with everything but the hair.

So apo sakura doesn't have worms?

I always wondered how his elemental affinity got so fucked up. Makes sense, in a Nasuverse way.

I'm surprised they don't use Netscape Navigator.

Who the fuck would worship Iskandar enough to turn him into a divine spirit?

Since Sakura never became the Makiri successor then no, no worms.

sounds like a really fun timeline. I wonder if they meet [real last name] Shioru.

>Infamously "fiddled while Rome burned"
It would have been a lyre.
Also probably not true.

There was an entire cult to him that lasted centuries and had actual priests and everything.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolemaic_cult_of_Alexander_the_Great

But the final battle of Case Files happens very close to fairyland and the inner sea of the planet. Use that energy source, amplify the already existent Divinity on Iskandar and accelerate the process with that nice time magecraft in the Emiya family crest you got because of your links to the Seal Designation Enforcers and voila.

>He was pro-culture, Greek-influenced and educated, spent a lot of time out in the provinces, and this was seen as a bad thing by the Senate.
That was Hadrian.
Nero was just a massive fucking narcissist sociopath that grew up cowering before Uncle Caligula and mother Aggripina with lots of interests considered by the Romans to be effeminate (music, acting, writing).
He gets so much hate because he fucking blew through the treasury and used Christians as lamps for his dinner parties.

Apocrypha's so goddamn dumb.

If you've seen Zero and know the basics of how the Fuyuki Grail System works you should be fine

>moeshit
Discarded instantly.

Yo, Waver likes 'em STACKED, dig? None o' dat flat as a motherfuckin' pancake shit. Yo dawg, we talkin' at LEAST Double-Fuckin'-Ds. Bare minimum, hear?

how glad she would be if she were teleported into a new holy war in the future where everything (for some reason) returned to medieval times and was summoned to fight for a New Camelot.

I always had the impression that more than being a king, she should have had to be simply a knight. All the responsibilities of a King have made her so detached, but fundamentally she's very much similar to Shirou.

as long as they're fat bara tits, yes

See her Lily version. She does want to make the world a better place.

False. She was under duress. Compare that to her later scene with Shirou.

That's not how paki or black brit speak.

how strong is the meido?

His hatred of Shirou is completely justified. Shirou's ideals are fucking retarded and they're the reason Garcher is stuck being a Counter Guardian.

Shirou doesn't become a Guardian in any of the three routes so that's his own problem.

It's a plot point so it's not a big deal.

Wait, does Sakura get adopted by the Edelfelts and become Luvia's little sister? Do the two of them Ohhohoho at Rin?

Yes

It's a version of Volumen Hydrargyrum that focuses into practicality instead than pure efficiency. It has a pseudo-personality so it can decide on her own what to do.

Other than what the original could do, we have seen her becoming into myst to absorb sound impacts, she is capable of imitating any kind of physical weapon and even becoming a full armor for Gray. So it's quite versatile.

hes still the same guy, just slightly less depressed then in FSN due to less stressful master

Shishou shishou shishou!

It's not about being less stressful. For some reason, the Archer of FGO retains some of his memories of his summoning in the Unlimited Blade Works route. He's gotten his smile back.

I think you two might be right.

But how does the mooncell work, then? Was it the product of forward-thinking mages who digitized magic somehow?

That's how the world works, you idealistic little faggot. Or what, you thought companies ate artistic vision? That they paid employees with saved integrity? Grow up.

Look at this fucking sheep retard seething because someone called him out on being a shallow, mindless consumer.

She's so fucking perfect, jesus.

How is it a plot point?
Does the story rely on something only a saber clone can do?
It would have been a plot point if the plot actually revolved around her saberfacification, as in, a story about creating a replica of Artoria. In Case Files, Gray is just there only for the sake of having a saber character in a non-HGW setting.

In FGO she can turn into a horse

>>The Einzberns are in the midst of struggling to make a new Greater Grail under the excuse “It was stolen, so we’ll just make a new Holy Grail”. Fortunately, in the “Apocrypha” world, a certain dead fish-eyed mercenary won’t end up becoming involved with the Einzberns, so their greatest work Illyasviel will never be born—therefore, as long as she isn’t born, the Einzberns will never despair… Is that really fortunate?
>Illya is never born
BAD TIMELINE!

I mean also he's been summoned to save the world from horrible evil monsters. That's why he wanted to become a heroic spirit in the first place. He finally gets to be the hero he always wanted to be. Also he can look over at Demiya and think, "Well, as bad as I have it, at least I'm not that guy."

>it's a different timeline w
Is Nasu... dare I say... a hack?

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>the happiest timeline is the one illya doesn't exist in
ha

Honestly the happiest timeline seems like the Prisma timeline.

you say that but then despair leaks in via other ways

Well it's the lewdest timeline.

He seems to like Holy Grail Wars nowadays. He seems to retain some vague feelings from the Moon Cell as well, hence why he gets along with Nero and Tamamo. You could think of the Emiya of FGO as an amalgamation of his experiences from Fate/stay night and Fate/EXTRA. He doesn't know all the concrete details, but the "feelings" are all there. A vague understanding that he went through some positive experiences in the past.

His opinion on Holy Grail Wars seem to have improved. He has no wish for the Grail itself, but he seems to enjoy being summoned. And he always relishes the opportunity to help others. He's a member of Chaldea's core cooking staff, alongside Tamamo Cat, Boudica and Benienma and someone else, I forget. I know Ryougi Shiki and Raikou are excellent cooks as well, but it's said that Chaldea's kitchen has five main workers.

>Does the story rely on something only a saber clone can do?
yes, several times

I think it's more just that I mean EMIYA gave into despair because he wanted to be a hero saving people but ended up becoming a Counter Guardian and spending most of his time killing people. The 5th Holy Grail War was the one opportunity he had to possibly escape that cycle and that colored his entire mindset during that one war. When he gets summoned up to fight monsters and save the world and be the hero he always wanted to, instead of being forced to kill humans, he's probably a lot more mellow.

Chaldea SoL anime when?

>oi mate you got a loiscence for that loli?

Just think, in two years we'll get a new season of Carnival Phantasm for the 20th anniversary. I'm sure we'll have a shit ton of chaldea SoL shenanigans.

Like what? Defeating the last boss? It's not something only a saberface can do.

You can replace Gray with some other strong character and nothing would change to the plot. Could very well replace her with KnK's Shiki for example. Tsukihime's Shiki would work too since Waver has no interest in women.

>"A novice Master... No, a novice magus. I understand how you feel. You're probably frustrated at your own powerlessness, but let's keep looking forward for now."
>"You want to know what kind of life Servants lead? Well... Once we're summoned, we're not all that different from you lot. We each have our own individual differences, and among us there are those who even enjoy food or a good night's sleep? Me? I'm... the type who enjoys meals. Preparing them, that is."
>"You're doing well. Have you gained some confidence? Good. That's the spirit. *I'll* help out to the best of my ability."
>"Hm? ...How I refer to myself changes from time to time? Oh... I, I see, I guess I let it out unconsciously... I suppose it happens when I let my guard down... It's a habit from *my* youth, you see."
>"When I think about how this battle will end someday, I feel somewhat lonesome. As a Heroic Spirit, I've experienced many a battlefield, but this one is special. Saving humanity is too large a scale to comprehend, but as long you continue to fight, *I* will never lose."
>"Just as Servant classes have differences in their affinities, so to do Heroic Spirits. In my case, it's golden Archers and blue Lancers. I'd appreciate it if you didn't put me in the same team as them."
>"Unbelievable... I always knew she was predisposed to misfortune, but to be possessed by a goddess. They must really be on the same wavelength... Such as how they're not honest with themselves."
>"Lately, I've noticed a rapid decrease in the kitchen food supplies. I understand the cause, but there's nothing I can do. Could you tell that tiger-woman to limit herself to third servings at most?"

** denotes when he uses 「オレ」　rather than 「私」. Basically, he speaks more like Shirou.
In regards to gold Archers and blue Lancers, he's obviously referring to Gilgamesh and Cu Chulainn, but Ishtar (Rin) and Parvati (Sakura) also fit those descriptions.

Not him but her whole character dynamic and relationship with Waver is based upon her turning into a Saberface when the Fourth HGW happened. The whole point is that was the turning point in their lives for both on them, and something that it ties both together.

So far it's very hard to say what holds them together to be honest. Waver doesn't give a shit besides grimacing a few times when Gray let her hoodie down. And Gray on the other hands has no real reason to be so devoted to Waver, besides the generic "b-b-but he was the first person to ever show kindness towards me".

>Kitchen episode with emiya, Ryougi, Raikou and Tamamo cat having a competion
>MHX vs Sabers episode that ends with void scaring her
You could have a lot of silly things in chaldea

It's more a question of identity for her. The turning into Arthur's vessel distorted her life so much that the only real friend she was able to had was a talking cube who badmouths her. That's her brother figure.

Waver took her and gave her an actual place to be her own person along with the rest of the class. She is similar to Flat and Svin in that way.

>their greatest work Illyasviel
Nice for Illya being the greatest thing ever made of homunculi to be noted though.

No, that's probably Prisma, if anything.

>His opinion on Holy Grail Wars seem to have improved.
Isn't that part of how he had his confrontation with Shirou? He was despairing and depressed and angry, and realised, ultimately, that it wasn't wrong to try to do what he'd done. He always mocks the ideal as being borrowed, but he never mocks the ideal itself. Because Archer Emiya knows that he can't mock it. The hardest person to lie to is yourself.

He's never cared about Holy Grail Wars. In Fate/stay night, the war was just a means to an end. Nowadays, though, especially in his second Interlude, he seems to like them. I guess you could call it a momentary reprieve, a chance to be something other than a janitor for the planet, if only momentarily. Generally, Holy Grail Wars tend to be pretty positive experiences for him when you look through the whole franchise.

Don't forget Kiritsugu's birthday line.

Honestly, Kiritsugu irritates me. Even Emiya Alter is less of a sadsack than he is.

So yeah, FGO is garbage.

wrong

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She's 18 bro she didn't drink her milk.

Well, for him anything is better than being used as murder bot sent to clean up after humans.

Just a few more hours

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Mooncell is an OOP artifact from the moon or something. Maybe it was the moon itself, I never really got into extraverse.

Grey seems so nice, you could probably pressure her into sucking you off because she'd be afraid of you getting mad if she said no

>Why yes, FGO is my favourite Type-Moon franchise. What gave it away?

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>2019... I am forgotten...

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>Take one of the worst Roman emperors
>Make him into the best girl

Worst boys often make the best girls.

Blame Sakurai for making her into a dindu, killing any complexity of her character. She’ll probably could only be redeemed when we finally got her beast/alter version.

Blame Nasu for fucking up last encore too.

I don't have sexual feelings for a genderswap of Nero.

I don't have sexual feelings for a genderswap of Nero.

I don't have sexual feelings for a genderswap of Nero.

Extella is still nasu disaster

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It’s not that bad. It expanded the lore, Altera route is pretty good, and Nero finally got fucked over in her route instead of getting babied like always.

>No Illya in this time line.

PRUNE IT.

>Nero finally got fucked over in her route instead of getting babied like always.
And then became the savior in the last route

I'm waiting for Helena. Too bad she shares a banner with Rider Artoria instead of Caster Nero.

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No joke he wants to fix it but Takeuchi and DW wont let him.

She'll end up as Lancer because she's not getting blasted by Caliburn radiation voodoo. Hope you won't mind calling Grey mommy.

Perfect shortstack girls are a gift to this earth.

>shortstack
She's flat though

BIG BEN LONDON STAR~⋆

What about Alexander's empire that instantly fragmented into warlord states run by his generals?

Obviously he isn't any better, perhaps worse

>anime only faggot complaining about something that won't even be elaborated on until season 2
>if there even is one
Calm down nerd, there seem to be answers on the way according to what LN readers have said. Secondaries like you truly are the worst. I'm a secondary to this story too but at least I know how to be patient and wait for answers.

She only became a Beast "after" Goetia if you look at it from a time traveller's perspective though. From objective timeline standpoint Beast Tiamat predates Solomon

>wait for S2, no wait for S3, no wait for Vol 36 of the Novel!
What kind of answers do you want. They've already met.

Iskandar never made an argument for prosperity, he called himself a tyrant without blinking and did not object about Saber bringing up his empire's fast collapse.

Of COURSE Saber's form of government was superior, as it was proper rule of law as opposed to "lol you looked at me wrong, mongrel *executes u*", or iskandar's empire holding itself together exclusively through cult of personality. But in the end, the entire point of the banquet's discussion wasn't about the better form of government, but what it means to be a king.

Both Saber and Rider had their fair amount of prosperity, and both their nations ended up in flames around the time of their deaths, but Iskandar won the argument by showing that whatever the end result was, he was connected to his people and carried their accumulated virtues and vices, rather than creepy robot king that unironically caused rebellions because she was "too" perfect. Most important of all, and going back to the title of tyrant, is that other than his inherited Macedonian clay, Iskandar went and grabbed the rest of his empire by honest force, rather than having a watery tart throw him a sword and suddenly he's king, what kind of basis for a system of government is that?

>all this Nero wank
>servant Emperor Claudius never

I HATE IT

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Genghis Khan conquered a territory five times bigger than Alexander's shitty little empire, did it by his own strength instead of using a prefab army handed from daddy and the empire that resulted lasted a century before its fragmentation. Why isn't HE the King of Conquerers?

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He's the Grand Rider

I love I Clavdivs

The point of the Banquet of Kings was to shake Saber's resolve. By the end of the Fate route, she decides that her path wasn't wrong and that she should be proud of what she has accomplished. So in the end, she still wins. If the banquet were to happen again, Saber would look Iskandar dead in the eye and say "My path was not a mistake", and nothing Iskandar says could ever convince her otherwise. That's the Power of Love.

Even Gilgamesh accepts that she is a star too pure and beautiful to be brought down to Earth.

Didn’t Arthur become Roman Emperor

>by his own strength
You mean her own strength

Those are still childbearing hips.

I dunno about that. I think Rider is the most difficult class to qualify for because its primary requirement isn't just being a great hero, but also possessing a famous steed or vehicle. It seems to me like Grand Rider should possess the greatest steed/vehicle of all, but I can't think of what Genghis could ride that would qualify him.

Grand Rider is Santa Claus.

Khan of conquerors doesn't sound as nice.

What is an excuse to not include Waver in F/SN and Fate/Apocrypha?

>and nothing Iskandar says could ever convince her otherwise
Why would he say anything? That is exactly what he was trying to make her understand. The meeting was a pleasant thing at the beginning and only turned sour the moment Saber started going about undoing her life.

If Saber went and told him what you say, Rider would immediatly crack open another barrel and start the celebration.

What?

Lancelot and Guinevere's affair is a central part of Fate's Arthurian Canon. Even in the original Fate story. In Fate, the fact that Arthur doesn't seem to get upset at the cuckening is something that makes him seem even more distant and inhuman, and further alienated Arthur from his people.

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His steed isn't a single horse, it's the grand army on horseback that he "rode" across the world, or some corny shit like that.

Seems like it'd be too similar to Ionioi Hetairoi. I could see him possibly being Grand Berserker or Grand Archer, but not Grand Rider.

Ushi a cute!

I'm still kind of surprised they haven't put Hannibal or Scipio in FGO yet.

Bah, with the saber class being laserbeam country? I think it can pass just fine.

I do agree on grand archer being more fitting, but only because there's no better representative for the archer class while you do have some decent alternatives for grand rider.

Her misfortune was that she wasn't gay.

I still think Hou Yi would be the best choice for Grand Archer considering he shot down multiple suns.

Rome is fucked in general in fgo, im still waiting for slim caesar or some event with romulus being relevant

Agravain servant fucking when?

She's Velber 03 and dotes on Altera-oneesama.

What class would he even be? I don't know much about Agravain or what kind of fighting style he had, but it would be lame if he was another Saber.

>slim Caesar
Literally this upcoming Summer.

>Agravain servant fucking when?
Story-locked 3* for LB6 most likely.

He'll either be an Assassin or a Berserker. He made a drug for the Enforcement Knights in Camelot that gave all of them Mad Enhancement, and taking this drug he made himself was what let him fight Lancelot and triumph.

Nah. I think its Noah. He built the ship that can survive the Great Flood that destroyed the whole wrold. Not to mention his ship had all kinds of animals, basically gives him the ability to possess multiple kinds of chariots

So Genghis Khan is a loli, eh?

fgo isn't canon anyway

He could be a berserker
>Literally this upcoming Summer.
Wut? really? if they add summer cleo then im sold

That'd be cool, but I dunno how I'd feel about two Grands being Biblical Heroic Spirits.

I wish Issei would be a Pseudo-Servant. I like him and he'd make for an excellent Ruler.

In FGO JP right now, one of the new shop lines from Mash for the weekly missions is talking about how Caesar is working out to get ready for summer.

>Noah
...Shit, that works.

As opposed to the arthurian stuff being everywhere?

I think it's fine with 2, though it certainly will get bloated if Berserker turns out to be Cain or something.

There are infinite slots for normal Servants, but only seven Grands.

This. Iskander wasn't saying her way of rule is wrong, just that he scorns on how she regrets her way of rule. To him, regretting the rule is an insult to one called a king.

Already appeared in Koha Ace, and on the datamine leaklist for Grand Order.

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More than that, it's also an insult to the ones who chose to follow her. It specially rubs him the wrong way given how he sees kingship as being the carrier of your people's hopes and dreams. To reject that is to spit on the face of each and every one of her subjects.

That's just the differences in their personalities. Iskandar prioritizes himself and his desires above all. Saber loved her country and her people more than she loves herself. One could say that what happened to Saber and Emiya is the natural conclusion for heroes who don't love themselves. Narcissism is bad, but humans need a bare-minimum of self-affection to function. That's the fundamental difference between Saber and other kings.

The Mysterious Heroine project aren't flat out Artoria.
They're attempted replications of the Holy Sword Wielder who fell Sefar, the monstrous Velber 02 which had crushed planets before.

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There's a great historical document I read back in university where a muslim historian travelling into mongol territory encountered what he described as a "moving city"
Because the mongols were nomadic, they carried all the great wealth and resources they claimed under Genghis' conquest with them, which lead to these giant caravans with literally thousands of residents (metropolis population by the standards of the day) that would pack up and move through the day, then unpack and erect an impromptu city over night, full of oversized and opulent tents for nobles, entire market squares with shops and vendors and everything.

Genghis Khan's "steed" is his entire civilization.

That would only put him on the same tier as Ozymandias, though.

There are a lot of Mongolian sumo wrestler in Japan. I hope they’ll break Nasu’s leg if he pull that shit.

>but only seven Grands

Merlin swapping in for Solomon says hi.

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Ain’t multiple servant can be a Grand? Merlin, Solomon, and Gil has the qualification to be Grand Caster. And I don’t believe the counter force will let the Grand Assassin slot to be empty forever.

To be honest, more than Genghis Khan, I'd rather see Kublai Khan as a Servant. Though I'm not sure what his NP would be.

Gilgamesh doesn't. All-seeing clairvoyance is only ONE of the qualification, and Gilgamesh isn't a magus.

I would also like to see Tengri pseudo.

Who replaced Gramps as grand assassin, I wonder?

Tezcatlipoca. King Hassan even has a line for him in his materials entry.

Assassin is the most troublesome class. Gramps was the best because he killed other Hassans, but left absolutely no evidence or witnesses to the point where most thought he was a rumor at best. He's not someone who would leave behind any stories, so naturally he doesn't exist in any source.

Oh damn. And LB4 foreshadow Daybit and him too. Though they might be subverting expectation and it turned out to be someone else.

What about it? Alex openly admitted that it did.

Oh right daybit is supposed to have a grand right? but wasnt berserker the class of his servant?