>be 13
>already one of the strongest shinobi in the world and can open 5 of the 8 gates in 1 year of training under Guy
>4 years later and rock le can only 6 gates
What did Kishimoto mean by this?
Be 13
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Diminishing returns? If you can benchpress only 100 now and start training, and get yourself up to 200 in a year, it does not follow that you will be able to bench 300 the next year and so on.
I mean you probably can but maybe not.
Kishi didnt know what the fuck to do with his character lmao
The only limit is the one you give to yourself when you give up!
Meaning that there's no limit until you give up and even then you don't know if you can go further than that,nothing is stopping you from surpassing that.
UNLIMITED POWER
miserable is the man who doesn't try to see how far it's body can go during his youth and beyond!
PUSH IT TO THE LIMIT!
Doesn't apply to physically crippled citizens
>opens 5 gates
>gaara still gets up and walks away after the match
He meant that hard work a shit.
each gate is exponentially harder to open than the previous gate.
real question is why cant most ninjas do 1-2 gates, its a huge buff with no negative side-effects.
>>already one of the strongest shinobi in the world
The strongest shinobi in the world can blow up continents by themselves, Lee was nothing.
what if they do
like everyone jonin level is constantly cruisin on gates 1-2
I didnt say he was THE strongest, I said he was one of the strongest. His fight against Gaara beat feats shown by almost every shinobi we seen in the series.
>I said he was one of the strongest
Yeah and you're fucking wrong.
Except I'm not. He would've beat 99% of the shinobi in the series easily.
Kill yourself.
Not an argument.
Series would have been better if Lee was in Kakashi's squad instead of Sasuke.
drunk lee > gates lee
Because it's extremely fucking difficult to open even 1 gate. Even if you do, the trades off aren't worth it. It's the same reason why only Goku knows Kaio-ken and even then he doesn't use it much due to the stress it puts on his body.
Using ninjutsu or nintaijutsu is more effective.
>Because it's extremely fucking difficult to open even 1 gate.
Yeah, Kakashi can open one gate, rest are only the green leotard gang.
>Even if you do, the trades off aren't worth it.
Disagree, it's mostly fatigue, muscle tears and such caused by heavy exertion. In a life or death battle it is worth it.
>It's the same reason why only Goku knows Kaio-ken and even then he doesn't use it much due to the stress it puts on his body.
He doesn't use it because he has super saiyan transformations, when just blue wasn't enough he used it.
>Using ninjutsu or nintaijutsu is more effective.
But gates are versatile buff, any form of taijutsu or physical ability is improved. What if you got lots of fighting ninjutsu but you need to run away/to somewhere really urgently?
Real reason is kishimoto a hack, there's plenty of problems beyond the eight gates.
You just said it yourself. Fucking Kakashi can only open one. How are fodder nin gonna open any? It's too difficult and possibly even only known to Konoha.
>Moving the Taijutsu-using Genin into the Ninjutsu squad instead of the Taijutsu squad
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Hardwork is meaningless. You can only become successful if you are born with talent and have good genes. It's pretty based, actually.
Rock Lee is a parody of the hard work beating talent trope. It's why he looks like such a joke and jobs all the time. Because the hard work > talent cliche is so ingrained in us, people thought that Rock Lee was written in earnest.
Hard work is > talent. He just worked on the wrong thing. Hand to hand combat will never compete with someone that can throw 2 meteoroids the size of a city at you.
drunk lee + gates would've ended the war in a single episode
Probably because opening the gates is only suited for those well versed in taijutsu. Maybe an analogy for this is a martial artist versed in hand to weapon combat vs someone with a sword
Just kidding it was all about bloodlines and inherited power.
Did they kill neji because disabling people's charka was too OP?
it's really not op, you need to hit someone with 64 hits to disable their chakra. compare that to one strike from a chidori.
based
How do 64 hits disable 361 tenketsu
They disable all the chakra points normal people can use. Only Hyuuga can emit chakra from every single tenketsu.
>you need to hit someone with 64 hits to disable their chakra
no, that's just to disable it completely. I imagine even disabling half would still give you a significant advantage.
>compare that to one strike from a chidori.
1 hit moves like chidori and rasengan only work when the opponent is already weak or can't possibly dodge it. they are finishing moves
>one of the strongest
yeah no.
>4 years later only one more gate
You'd think he'd focus on more moves that don't kill himself, but he hasn't shown anything new really ( no one really did besides maybe Neji with his ranged jyuuken ).
>1 hit moves like chidori and rasengan only work when the opponent is already weak or can't possibly dodge it.
same thing with the tiagrams palm shit. No one just stands still and waits for someone to start lightly tapping them 64 times. Neji could not use the tiagrams palm on naruto until he got rid of all his clones or his clones would beat the shit out of him while he was doing it.
>He doesn't use it because he has super saiyan transformations, when just blue wasn't enough he used it.
Spoilered for OT but Goku didn't use kaioken again until Super because the stress of using both SS and KK in tandem would likely lead to immediate death. He uses it again in Super because SSB has better Ki Control, but using it to begin with was a gamble that he wasn't certain would work in the first place. He DOES use it in the non-canon otherworldy tournament with SS, but that's because of the properties of otherworldly bodies. Also, because it wasn't canon.
The real-world explanation is because it was obsolete due to SS, but they do have an in-universe explanation for why he didn't do it.
He was one of the strongest shinobi that didn't have eye cheats, reincarnation cheats, or tailed beast cheats. There are still many people above him but there's many more below him.
Reminder that he can punch hurts and is supposed to be impossible to block if he can land a hit.
He attacks specific points in his fight against Hinata because he doesn't want to kill her (at first) and humiliate her. Because hitting the damn points is harder and more impractical in a real fight.
Then for the rest of the series he just always hits the points and does no normal shit anymore for whateverthefuck reason.
>hitting the damn points is harder and more impractical in a real fight
>impractical
The entire gentle fist is based on hitting the chakra points, even in a real fight, because their eyes are the only ones that can see them.
Everyone in the Ĺtsutsuki clan has byakugan too, though I guess the gentle fist technique is useless to them.
I think Momoshiki does try to disable chakra points in the anime but I've only read the manga and I don't recall that happening.
>eeeeyelmao
Forehead eye is hot, hand eye, however, is not
Both are terrible. Hand mouth is where it's at.
I see why Kurotsuchi wanted his dick. And mouths.
Yeah he must be popular with the ladies. Can finger and eat them out with one hand, leaving his actual mouth free to prattle on about art.
>fingering while licking the clitoris with one hand
>anal rimjob with the other
>aimlessly spouting on about art with his regular mouth between kissing
Not even his final form.
was it ever explained why he was the only ninja to ever have mouths in his hands. I mean was it even necessary? they could've just written him so he could mold the clay with his chakra
I wonder if he brushes the teeth of his hand mouthes
he also had a mouth on his chest, so 3 mouths he'd have to brush
He was robbed desu, there was no reason for him to loose to Gaara.
>He doesn't know about Deidara's anus..
Kishimoto forgot
Nope, Rock Lee was a gag character who never amounted to anything or had importance to the plot. Gaara on the other hand is basically the opposite
I think that was a leftover from Kishi's early plans to make Akatsuki nothing but monsters, with Kisame, Zetsu and arguably Sasori.
I really hated that he didn't have any serious battle in Shippuden.
It would've been a lot cooler to do that then make them a gang of pretty boys
I mean, 80% of the Naruto characters in pt 1 got the short end of the stick in Shippuden. They were replaced with shitters that nobody liked for the most part
This is true.
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Top Akatsuki battles
**Sasuke vs Killer Bee
1. Sasori vs Sakura
2. Naruto vs Pain
3. Team 7 vs Hidan/Kakuzu
4. Diedara vs Sasuke
5. Itachi vs Sasuke
6. Tobi vs Konan
7. Kisame vs Guy/Killer Bee/A
>team 7
it was team 10 and kakashi until naruto came in idiot
Wasn't Hidan and Kakuzu separate fights?
Happened at exact same time. Shikamaru takes care of Hidan while the rest fight Kakazu
Kisame was such a let down. I don't remember anything special about his fight aside from him hiding in a giant water bubble and getting fucked twice.
Kisame was the worst member of the akatuski. Didn't have any character other than evil shark guy with big sword
So you agree he was robbed and would have won if not for plot convenience? I see.
Is this the weekly boruto thread
No, boruto is so shit it doesn't deserve threads
What's happening in Boruto? More filler or more filler? Or perhaps more filler?
Probably true
I think it's filler but I don't know what inane shit makes it into the novels these days.
This
Sasuke managed to become as fast as Lee in the month between the prelims and the main chuunin fights
Always hated him, can't believe he survived so long
Gaara was the main boss of that arc, he wasn't going to lose to a jobber character halfway through it.
fuck off narutard
He plateau'd. That's the extent of his ability.
Because Lee got replaced by Guy who is the exact same character except superior in every way
cringe
Seriously...
>narutards
cringe
>Everyone else is healed through magic
>Lee has to go into actual surgery and physical therapy
IT'S NOT FAIR
Lee is so JUST its not even funny. The only one that comes close is Neji
>leaving out the fact that he literally shattered his spine to near dust
I wish they gave Lee a bit of creativity, he seems to only be able to copy and work what he's given with, never creating a new technique. I'd like it if they made Lee practice so much that he learned how to open the 7th gate for a split second to increase impact damage, or even have projectiles ( creating fire from the friction of his punches).
But true
>never creating a new technique
You think that's a possibility for Lee when the fucking MC spent his entire life only spamming Tobirama and Minato's techniques?
I want to protect his smile, lads.
Why are you in every fucking thread
Same. So precious...
>anal dentata, what a terrible phrase
There's multiple Madarafaggots, friend
No there isn't
I assume when he says 99% hes talking about the random green uniforms that stand around leaf village and guard the door and a hundred other inane tasks that they give the jobbers.
There must be hundreds of shinobi who max out at being able to throw a knife and do the woodstump replacement and maybe cast fireball.
We don't see them because we follow protagonists who get interesting powers written for them, so I get what he means. Rock Lee was obviously part of the 5% of actually relevant ninjas in the leaf
Madara is a popular character. Many people like him
Just fuck off
Shit's hard, user. Each gate takes more and more out of you, so it's probably insanely difficult to practice opening gates safely.
I wasn't the one to bring him up
Once you get close to your genetic potential its hard to break past your limits. For example, I came into highscool benching 165 lbs and as a senior benched 345 lbs, 2 years later I can only bench a little more (370). Obviously you can keep pushing your body but you do get diminishing returns eventually
A worthless ninja like Duy was capable of doing it. At this point I'm convinced that it's a kekkei genkai that only hotheads with thick eyebrows are capable of spamming.
t.tobirama
Watching Sasuke get fucking clowned on by Killer Bee was euphoric