They believe that if Akira Toriyama had put to Dragon ball the same work and effort that Eiichiro Oda has put on One...

They believe that if Akira Toriyama had put to Dragon ball the same work and effort that Eiichiro Oda has put on One piece in developing his characters and world ...

Dragon ball would be a better manga and anime?

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No shit. Early Luffy is just a poor man's Goku.

He just wanted to write a funny manga, but people wanted sickass fights

Honestly hard to say, late Dragon Ball is way more popular and is easily the easiest series to recommend to anyone looking for a fun fighting action, it's easy to digest and despite the memes the action is quick to come in any given arc, there's no doubt a huge room for character improvement was missed by its simple nature but it's also its best feature.

OP was better when it was more simple, tho.

But that's where you play yourself for a fool, because OP doesn't exist - he's a boogeyman, and I've seen quite a few of them pass on.

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but tell me user ... Don't you think it would have been better or interesting if I tried?

The people who think that shit don't understand Toriyama's mindset. If Toriyama was as dedicated to DB as Oda is to OP, it would be 100 to 150 chapters shorter, because characters like Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo wouldn't make it past Namek, due to Toriyama's obsession with subverting fan expectations.

Pretty much this. I'd say (early) One Piece is better than early Dragon Ball but One Piece became such a mess later on with so many irrelevant threats and subplots, that Z wins easily by focusing on longer but fewer fights against iconic antagonists almost exclusively.

Akira is a gag manga author. His forte isn't to write elaborated stories or rich settings. Dragon Ball would be better if it kept being a gag manga with nice fights here and there.

Same is happening to HxH.

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C'mon. Early HxH was fun, exciting and heartwarming. Not it's just Lecture x Lecture.

hell no. dragonball is good because toriyama doesn't give a fuck

this. if dragonball had clever writing and was actually planned out it would lose its charm

By early Hunter x Hunter you mean Hunter Exam? Then maybe. Heavens Arens is literally lecture arc for the audience in order to understand power system. Then there's Yorknew Arc, which is pretty similar to current one. Mafia scheming, long monologues, tactics and etc, Greed Island? Lecturing about rules of the game, cards and new nen techniques.

Difference is: One Piece is still focusing on its main characters and their goals, and will see it through to the end. It may go off on worldbuilding tangents and introduce a shit ton of characters, but it sill is, and will always be, about Luffy's ambition and his journey towards the end of the world.
HxH is just a directionless clusterfuck with no clear goal or ending in sight.

But user, Dragon ball is better than one piece

Yeah, the series pretty much lost me not long after the Hunter exam. Especially since I really fucking hate Nen as a power system.

You guys forget it's because of dragonball One piece exists today. If anything it means that the student successfully out do his teacher. In a sense, not literally just influential.

>Oda
>effort

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Well of course you cant see, you are blind user. One piece doesnt come out in One Brale.

>Especially since I really fucking hate Nen as a power system.
Fucking pleb.

Shouldn't you be reading your walls of text?

toriyama had to work on dragon quest and also gave us dr slump. there is nothing lazy about toriyamas work.

This.
Toriyama sort of doesn't give fuck, I mean, he obviously does, in his own way, but his mindset is completely different from Oda's. The feeling I get from Oda is that he is probably the biggest One Piece fan out there.
It would be weird to have a elaborate story in DB, but Toriyama did make things coherent and didn't start breaking the rules he set up early on up until the Cell saga. The story wasn't crazy good but it served as a good vehicle for the narrative, then came the Cell saga and shit it all up.

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That doesn't mean DB isn't shit.

Hunter is too, there are just lots of side steps just like in OP (I mean, freeing Alabasta doesn't have direct bearing on finding OP, right?). Killua's and Gon's adventure's are temporary over with them more or less achieving their initial goal and now Kurapika is one step from achieving his and that's why he's the main character of the arc. And OP focuses on side charcters a lot too Strawhat fags complain about them being shoved into the background too even when they appear in an arc. The main difference is that HxH isn't nearly as Gon-centric as OP is Luffy-centric.

Dragon Ball is mostly popular *because* of its simplicity. It focuses primarily on gags, action, and visuals while floating on a easily digestible storyline and characters. If DB had the complexity and consistency of OP, it wouldn't have been nearly as popular as it is today.

Not him, but while I love the main idea of limitations and conditions improving the powers, I really couldn't give too big of a fuck about all the details when he introduced "specialization" that basically gives Togashi a free pass to go bonkers right off the bat. I mean, why even bother? Isn't it better to just go full Kubo/Oda at this point?

Can we get someone other than Toriyama or Toyotaro writing Dragon Ball? Preferably nobody at Toei because that's how we got GT and parts of Super.

They have dragonball heroes go there. That fits the autistic db fandom to the core

>I mean, freeing Alabasta doesn't have direct bearing on finding OP, right?
Does it? Vivi seems like she's about to play a pretty major role in the grand scheme of things. Plus anyone Luffy has helped will join his eventual alliance/army at the end.
And even if it didn't matter it's still something Luffy did on the way to become Pirate King. Part of his growth.

If it was HxH Luffy would disappear from his own manga for 10 years and instead we'd get 10 chapters per year about Smoker saving Alabasta or whatever.
>Killua's and Gon's adventure's are temporary over with them more or less achieving their initial goal and now Kurapika is one step from achieving his and that's why he's the main character of the arc.
That's because HxH protagonist goals are vague and/or uninteresting. Gon meeting his dad was underwhelming. Is anyone really excited about Kurapica finding his clan's eyes? Like he'll find them and then what? What even is Killua's goal at this point?
when One Piecefinally ends on the other hand, the world will change, multiple characters dream-like impossible goals will be fulfilled, and a mystery that has been teased since 1997 will be solved.
>And OP focuses on side charcters a lot too Strawhat fags complain about them being shoved into the background too even when they appear in an arc. The main difference is that HxH isn't nearly as Gon-centric as OP is Luffy-centric.
Because Gon isn't as interesting as Luffy. Not even Togashi likes him. As the author you can't focus the story on a character you yourself don't find compelling. Yet, character-assassinating him just to subverted shonen tropes (wow how original) and removing him from the story isn't the right thing to do either

>Does it? Vivi seems like she's about to play a pretty major role in the grand scheme of things. Plus anyone Luffy has helped will join his eventual alliance/army at the end.
>And even if it didn't matter it's still something Luffy did on the way to become Pirate King. Part of his growth.
I said directly, in HxH previous growth has bearing on subsequent stories too.
>hat's because HxH protagonist goals are vague and/or uninteresting.
That's your opinion though. nd you can tell that about many of OP characters too.
>Gon meeting his dad was underwhelming.
I think it was actually quite fitting.
>Is anyone really excited about Kurapica finding his clan's eyes? Like he'll find them and then what?
What happens when Franky reaches Raftel? Or when Nami draws her map? It's an end to the journey which is more important than the goal in both OP and HxH cases. Plus Kurapika's goal also has revenge component. Revenge on a group currently involved in his arc. I am excited.
>What even is Killua's goal at this point?
He's on the soul-searching quest of sorts, rebonding with his "sister" was a major milestone.

>Because Gon isn't as interesting as Luffy.
I really wouldn't say so, Luffy is far from the most interesting MC I've seen.
>Not even Togashi likes him. As the author you can't focus the story on a character you yourself don't find compelling. Yet, character-assassinating him just to subverted shonen tropes (wow how original) and removing him from the story isn't the right thing to do either
I think your problem is that you're basing your opinion on memes and not actual manga. Gon's darker side has been hinted for a long time. And he's not written out, he's just not in this arc. HxH is a story of four (well five, including Hisoka) main characters and not Gon and his crew like OP. Kurapika was out for three arcs, Leorio was for two. But Kurapkia "mains" his second arc. Assuming Togashi doesn't die, Gon is coming back for the story.

Based retard

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One Piece is worse than DB though. It uses world building to cover up a poor, formulaic story and flat characters reliant on backstory. The Doflamingo arc should've outed Oda for the hack he is.
And even then, Dragon Ball had far more natural world building early on till Toriyama dropped the ball later on.

Except Hunter x Hunter has 4 main characters, all of whom have their own goals, whereas One Piece has one actual main character who drags the others around.
We know their fucking goals, they're established in the first arc. Gon wants to find his dad, Kurapika wants to kill the Phantom Troupe and get his clan's eyes, Leorio wants to be a doctor and Killua wants to follow Gon. Gon has already achieved his goal you tard, so the story is focusing on Kurapika.
>world building tangents
That's the only thing you fucks seem to think One Piece is good for. World building is literally just there to cover up poor storytelling on the part of the writer, it's meaningless dribble autists will latch on to like with those garbage isekai series and say "This story is so good because WORLDBUILDING GUYS". I hope all of you get castrated so this cancerous idea that worldbuilding makes garbage suddenly good stops getting perpetuated.

autism

>planned story bad
>aimless good

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>That's because HxH protagonist goals are vague and/or uninteresting.
They're literally all established on that boat at the start of the series with Leorio being the only vague one. Killua's only goal is to be with Gon.
How fucking braindead do you have to be to not understand this?
>Gon meeting his dad was underwhelming
You didn't get the last chapter of Election. Not saying that was the point, but sometimes the journey was more important than the destination.
>Is anyone really excited about Kurapica finding his clan's eyes? Like he'll find them and then what?
Did you speedread Yorkshin and the current arc? The current arc literally starts with Kurapika questioning the point of his life, and the fact that Tse has Pairo's decapitated head shows this will go somewhere.
Did you somehow miss all this?
>What even is Killua's goal at this point?
Go reread the Hunter Exams arc, seriously, how do you miss everything this badly.
>when One Piecefinally ends on the other hand, the world will change, multiple characters dream-like impossible goals will be fulfilled, and a mystery that has been teased since 1997 will be solved.
I'm going to bet the ending of One Piece won't come for another 20 years, and it will be underwhelming. Oda's being forced by Jump to stretch this shit out, and it fucking shows with how formulaic each arc is. Bad guy terrorizes island, better go save the people, WE ARE NAKAMA.
Your prioritizing of the ending over the journey is fucking retarded, and so are you probably.
>Because Gon isn't as interesting as Luffy.
Luffy receives no internal conflict. The one attempt at actually trying to go somewhere with his character when he fights with Usopp literally goes nowhere, unless you dense tards are going to say this is another one of Oda's decade long plans because he totally doesn't forget anything.
>Yet, character-assassinating him just to subverted shonen tropes
You don't get it. Unironically. You're too dumb to get it.

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Planned stories can be good though. It's just that One Piece is awful at it. The mangaka is a terrible writer, he relies too heavily on formula and the nebulous concept of world building, liked EXCLUSIVELY by autistic people.
Dragon Ball only ended up good because Toriyama, being a comedy writer, is good at making shit up on the fly, and it only got bad when he was taking himself too seriously, like in the Artificial Humans arc.

>I'm going to bet the ending of One Piece won't come for another 20 years, and it will be underwhelming
Imagine being a Huntard and projecting this fucking hard about which story will have a shit ending

>planned stories can be good
>but if you do plan you're autistic

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It should be obvious why it will be underwhelming. A story stretched out this long, with the ending point already laid out will be underwhelming compared to what you can imagine.
It's the same reason why the reception of Kingdom Hearts III was so poor. Those idiots waited years for an ending and had to deal with side games, mobile games, extended cutscenes in HD Collections telling them how great the ending will be.
We don't know how Hunter x Hunter will end, we just have vague ideas of what will happen before the ending. Like Gyro and Gon coming back, Kurapika and the Troupe, Hisoka's current goal, that's all we've really got.

Here's an example of a good planned story, Akagi. Fukumoto knew how the story would go, knew what he wanted to do with the character and knew how he wanted to end it as the character of Akagi already had an ending.
To be fair, that's short. Luckily, I can look into Fukumoto's catalog and see a long running planned story, that being his well over 700 chapter Kaiji series. To be even more fair, Fukumoto is actually a respected writer unlike Oda.
Anyways, the reason why Oda's One Piece is bad, is because he can't write. He does samey as hell arcs with characters who barely develop and the fans latch on to how "great the world building is", as if that makes up for every flaw.
I miss when you fucks were laughed off of Yea Forums for liking such tripe that attracts the same tards who like Funi Ball Z.

>One Piece's ending will be bad because of your imagination
>Hoonter's will be good because nobody expects anything from Togashi
Fucking kek.

The shit I said about One Piece's ending will be true, and you would know it if you weren't a deluded fanboy. It's the same reason why Detective Conan's conclusion will never be as good as expectations, despite us being in 'endgame' for the last year.
And not all series need to set up expectations for the ending. That's an element used, usually, by lesser writers. Harry Potter did the exact same thing by setting up how Harry has to kill Voldemort by the end of this shit. Most of the time, establishing what the ending will be is just used to force the narrative and make the main character essentially a vehicle that drives the side characters around, which is why Luffy is poor protagonist and only liked by the same retards who think Oda is funny.
Again, that's not to say that every story that sets up the ending right at the start with character motivations is bad. JoJo's Part 5 is one of the better parts despite that.

Except the same is true for OP you retard, the difference being that Oda didn't expect the series to take off as hard as it did and thus simply had to add more to it as it went along while fitting and expanding everything else thematically. Hence the worldbuilding aspect.

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Keep telling yourself that after Togashi axes HxH himself out of boredom.