Makoto Shinkai

As opposed to mediocre kids' films?

Meant to reply to

Garden is his only mediocre work. The rest range from bad to terrible.

Can't wait to see it.

Can't wait for the doujins featuring Shounen using Hina's escort services.

Mediocre is one thing. But how are Shinkai's movies anything close to being bad? Let alone terrible.

In all his films, aside from Garden, the characters have practically no personality and are just blanks slates. What makes it especially bad is that his films are dramas where the enjoyment comes from being able to relate to and emphatize with the characters.
The character designs in his earlier films are bland and don't mesh well with the environment. Their animation also tended ro be quite janky.
His films recycle the same ideas over and over again and the only one that didn't was a soulless Ghibli rip-off. Shinkai simply can't write sci-fi or fantasy world with any sense of believability and they're full of massive plot holes.

>massive plot holes
What massive plot holes are there besides the date thing in Your Name (which while a massive stretch, isn't a plothole)?

And it still remains true.

>plagiarized
Funny claim in an industry where 90% of the content is reused cliches.

>films recycle the same ideas over and over again
Yep sounds like Miyazaki alright

He didn't take cliches from others, he took entire scenes.

Watched his new film earlier today at the cinema, I'd say the longer run time made me more emotionally invested for Hodaka and Hina's relationship. Although the climax isn't as a big of a payoff as Your Name, it was still a gripping climax nonetheless.

Also, hand drawn water, loved it.

>he took entire scenes
Can you give examples or sources?

Are the Shinkaifags shitting on Miyazaki ironic or serious? Do they have any self-awareness?

they are all identical ......

When Mitsuha falls down and hurts herself is entirely from The girl who leapt through time.
Here are a few videos comparing scenes
minuskakugo.blogspot.com/2017/10/kimi-no-na-wa-was-plagiarized-movie.html?m=1

Ok, but when are we getting that government-funded pro-procreation propaganda movie to combat low fertility rates in Japan? Shinkai is the best one for the job.

Miyazaki as said by himself produces no anime but normal animation, Shinkai in the other side produces high quality anime the best choice is clear, Shinkai is just better because he truly makes anime delving in more diverse and deep themes than Miyazaki does even if it means reduced market reach.

>191130485
I hope he is baiting

Are you retarded Shinkai titles normally touches themes of alienation and failed relationships.

The only movies he plagiarizes is his own by making the same movie over and over again.

Yes, but he always focuses on problems and anxieties lived by modern Japanese society.

Are there any pantyshots in this movie?

How is your name anything like 5 cm/s

None, but there was slight nudity that was conveniently censored.

>shinkai
>divers and deep themes
is this a shitpost?

Manga panels.

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You seem out of the loop, Shinkai's films have all been analysed pretty heavily in threads like these.

Miyazaki makes(or used to make) fantasy movies and he has imagination. Shinkai only writes generic boy meets girl stories, and his characters are normalfag as fuck.

Tenki is pretty mediocre aside from the visual desu. Just wait until you actually see and you;ll understand what I say.

Shinkai is a hack director who makes generic teenshit drama. Tell me when he makes anything as imaginative as Spirited Away, as earnest as Ponyo, as personal as The Wind Rises or as ambitious as the Nausicaa manga. Miyazaki's career by the 1970s is still more accomplished than Shinkai today.

>as imaginative as Spirited Away
Children
>as earnest as Ponyo
How is Ponyo earnest?
All of them, I guess?
>as personal as The Wind Rises
5cm/s
>ambitious as the Nausicaa manga
Depends what you mean by ambitious.
>Miyazaki's career by the 1970s is still more accomplished than Shinkai today.
Yeah that chief animator role on Horus was one for the history books.

>imaginative as Spirited Away
I mean it's mostly just fairy tale tropes. Great animation, but how original are those monsters really.
>personal as The Wind Rises
Literally everything Shinkai made is better at romance than The Wind Rises.

>shinkai movies

Target audience.

youtube.com/watch?v=4jRKDPDyws8&feature=youtu.be&t=470

Yes, adult males are his target audience. Not the case with Miyazaki.

If Tenki is a hit then why is Onegai Muscle outselling Radwimps?

>if X is Y, then why is tangentially related W Z?

Shinkai's flicks are for children and teens. Miyazaki's films are for everyone. Spirited Away was voted the 4th greatest movie of the century by professional critics, up there with the likes of Yi Yi and Mulholland Drive. None of Shinkai's flicks or any other animeshit could even make the top 100 because they're so insular and hardly speak to the greater audiences in the art world. Miyazaki would be comparable to Shakespeare while Shinkai is basically the J.K Rowling of Japanese animation.

>He has surpassed him
Imagine thinking any Shinkai work actually surpasses Laputa, Nausicaa, or Totoro. Three films which are standard classics among nips.

>Shinkai's flicks are for children
Yeah I bet children are really interested in a film about a dude making shoes falling in love with some milfs feet

>Spirited Away was voted the 4th greatest movie of the century by professional critics, up there with the likes of Yi Yi and Mulholland Drive
Why would I take a list with Mulholland Drive in 1st place seriously?
>None of Shinkai's flicks or any other animeshit could even make the top 100 because they're so insular and hardly speak to the greater audiences in the art world.
A poll held by Japanese critics for the greatest anime of all time had Your Name receive more votes than (and Hoshi no Koe receive the same number of votes as) Spirited Away, so there's no real point to be made about who it reaches.
>Miyazaki would be comparable to Shakespeare while Shinkai is basically the J.K Rowling of Japanese animation.
Is this supposed to be some kind of false flag against Miyazaki?

So is Doraemon. How can Shinkai even compete

He can’t. Doraemon is another beloved classic title among them.

You mean the same critic poll where Laputa and Nausicaa ranked higher, and had a total of 6 Ghibli titles?

Yes I do, and I might note that accounting for Takahata makes Shinkai comparable on it (though Mamoru Oshii btfos them all)

>A poll held by Japanese critics for the greatest anime of all time
Not comparable to the wider art world. As I said, completely insular and irrelevant to a real film poll.

>indiewire.com/gallery/best-movies-of-2010s-decade/
OH NO NO NO NO. SHINKAIFAGS AND HOSODAFAGS CAN'T EVEN COMPETE.

>Not comparable to the wider art world.
Define wider art world. Takahata's films don't appear on many western film critics' lists either but that doesn't mean they weren't just as significant to the medium as Miyazaki's or that they aren't recognised by a significant portion of SEA outside of Japan.
>As I said, completely insular and irrelevant to a real film poll.
What a pretentious way to put it.

Miyazaki will never ever make new films, so keep living in the past Miyazakifags

1. Moonlight
AHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHA THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF AMERICAN FILM CRITICS

>He only watched 5cm/s

Is this also from Tenki?

This scene would be good if the characters weren't bland and their relationship stronger.

KEEP CRYING WEEBKEK.

>bbc.com/culture/story/20181029-the-100-greatest-foreign-language-films
ANIME FANS SEETHING

None of the insert songs are catchy this time. They are shit to listen to on it's own.
Grand Escape is half instrumental only
I already got bored halfway into the song
It probably works well in the movie though.

>no Rules of the Game
>no Color of Paradise
>no Nostalghia
at least they have Tokyo Story I guess.

That's the first scene we see of Hodaka as he arrives in Tokyo from an island province.

>best characters ever in a Shinkai movie
>best romantic development in a Shinkai movie
>cohesive plotline (it was overdramatic but I don't care)
>best sound design I've ever experienced in an anime movie
>top-tier OST again
>God-tier ending
Yeah, I'm thinking you're full of shit.

>>best characters ever in a Shinkai movie
>>best romantic development in a Shinkai movie
Being better than shit is hardly an accomplishment.
>>best sound design I've ever experienced in an anime movie
Go watch Liz, Shinkaitard.

>Go watch Liz, Shinkaitard

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Oh, a Kyoanigger. Definitely wasn't expecting it... Is it me, or is it getting hot in here?

I can't wait for some user here burning Comix Wave for ripping off Keit-ai

>Spirited Away
>best anything
Sorry, these are the best anime of all time according to professional Japanese critics:
>1st: 14 votes
Neon Genesis Evangelion（1995）
>2nd: 11 votes
Mobile Suit Gundam（1979）
>3rd: 9 votes
Space Battleship Yamato（1974）
>4th: 8 votes
AKIRA（1988）
>5th: 7 votes
Kumo to Tulip（1943）
Astro Boy（1963）
Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind （1984）
Puella Magi Madoka Magica（2011）
In This Corner of the World（2016）
>6th: 6 votes
Castle in the Sky（1986）
GHOST IN THE SHELL（1995）
>7th: 5 votes
Urusei Yatsura 2: Beautiful Dreamer（1984）
Grave of the Fireflies（1988）
Your Name（2016）
>8th: 4 votes
Legend of the White Snake（1958）
Space Runaway Ideon（1982）
Revolutionary Girl Utena（1997）
The End of Evangelion（1997）
Spirited Away（2001）
Voices of a Distant Star（2002）
>9th: 3 votes
Wanpaku Ōji no Orochi Taiji（1963）
The Wonderful World of Puss 'n Boots（1969）
Heidi, Girl of the Alps（1974）
Future Boy Conan（1978）
My Neighbor Totoro（1988）
Patlabor 2: The Movie （1993）
Mind Game（2004）
The Tale of the Princess Kaguya（2013）

cringe, this is just a cliche, not plagirism, it has little to nothing to do with the writing, it's just 'action', and showing our mc down and out.

It isn't, this is just vapid critism that can't actually be justified.

>professional Japanese critics
*animefags who don't engage in other art forms

Only Spirited Away could even make this list and for good reason

>*animefags who don't engage in other art forms
he said, in a discussion about anime.
Do live-action film critics ever have to bend the knee to us?

Makoto Shinkai is the world's greatest and most successful anime director and nothing you retards say or think will change that.

>other art forms
Go back.

>we get to see Yea Forums have an autistic fit of Makoto succeeding again and breaking all the records
can't wait

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>all of this arguing when Mamoru Hosoda is the best choice

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Why can't they just market and release these globally? It's not like they have a small operation after the success of Kimi no na wa.

You're probably not wrong. Her head must be fucked after the fire.

They are releasing it globally. If you mean faster, it's up to the licensors who have to consider the possibility of YN being a fluke - it itself wasn't planned for a worldwide release at first and only got one because of its blowout success in nipland.

>last great film 2006
>last good film 2009
RIP

>last great film in 2018
?

no

yes. But since you don't consider Wold Children even "good" and TGWLTT better then everything after I don't expect you to have any taste.

Probably not even Shinkai knows why Your Name was so successful. He was just doing his thing as usual and then he made the biggest anime film ever

>It's not stealing if it's only visuals
Also, what happens, like falling is part of the writing, so stop defending him with shitty excuses.

I literally just watched Your Name for the first time and I gotta say it was kind of beautiful. I didn't have the second twist, the three year time difference, spoiled for me fortunately.

I was spoiled by it, but I was surprised that she actually died the first time.

Yeah, the way they went about the execution of that was very different from what I pictured based on what I'd been told. I was expecting something more Groundhog Day with how they handled the event, rather than a lucky do-over on something otherwise one and done. Probably not really going to know what I think of it for a day or two but right now in the afterglow I'd totally put it up there with something like Disappearance, which I consider to be KyoAni's finest. Saw a bunch of promo stuff for Weathering With You while I was over in Japan recently, now I'm really excited to see it.

sounds about right.
akira shouldn't be that high though.

>not admiring Mirai
Pleb

Literally his worst.

Mirai no Mirai is one of his best films, better than Boy and the Beast, TGWLTT and obviously the One Piece movie.

Fuck this new Miyazaki bullshit! Where's the next Kawajiri? Hell, at this point I'd be fine with the next Koichi Ohata.

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Mirai is less of a movie and more of a 5-episode series condensed into 1.5 hours.

>babby's first episodic movie
Reminds me of the reactions to My Neighbors the Yamadas.

Mirai's episodic direction is worse when 2 out of those 5 episodes are utterly pointless and add practically nothing to the overarching story (the dog one and the great-grandpa one). They could have expanded more focus on both Mirais instead of straying them for only partial segments.

The dog segment is far from useless. It introduces the fantastical element to the story, it frames the conflict of the film in a way that Kun can understand (Mirai getting the attention instead of him = him getting the attention instead of the dog), and it's the first instance of Kun experiencing empathy for another family member instead of thinking only of himself, rapresented by Kun literally putting himself in the dog's shoes and becoming him, all resulting results into telling his parents to treat him better.
As for the great-grandpa segment, other than it being probably the best and most memorable, its point was for Kun to learn to do things by himself without the constant attention from his parents. After teaching him the basics of riding the bike, his father got distracted by Mirai and had to pay attention to her, so Kun immediately got upset and gave up. But after meeting his great-grandpa, he aquired the resolve to try and succeed without constant assistence.

A Silent Voice is better.

lol

A Silent Voice: 5/10
Your Name: 6/10
In This Corner of the World: 9/10 (possibly 10 after the director's cut).
Thank you based Katabuchi.

This is the Tenki thread, not YN.

>In This Corner of the World: 9/10 (possibly 10 after the director's cut).
>Dindu Nuffin film
>Good

>a silent flop
>better than anything

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>Shinkaifag
>is a memespouting retard
Like clockwork.

Better than the rest of the movies screened this decade.
Yes, these are better than Kaguya/The Wind Rises.

>better than Kaguya/The Wind Rises
lol

>the age of Miyazaki is over
There never was one to begin with. Not a single film he has ever made was AOTY.

>when he steps out of his comfort zone
Why would you expect Shinkai to do something Miyazaki never did?

I can't wait for her next film in P.A.Works
She can be a substitute for Shinkai in her despair films

Your Name fucking sucked

It sucker your mom's titties.

What about Nobuhiko Obayashi's Tenkousei? Even Shinkai's camera tricks kinda look like Obayashi mannierisms

See the trailer from Obayashi's Toki Kakeru wa Shoujo and compared it to Your Name
youtube.com/watch?v=qpg-yRHi6S4

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The Japanese fans who watched the movie said something pretty interesting, that the story and characters have an eroge feel to them.
Makoto Shinkai worked on Ef fairy tale of the two opening which was an eroge many years, so it's not strange to be influenced by eroge.
m.youtube.com/watch?v=tPmDKb836eo

If what said was true, he must be a madman to write a worldwide aimed movie similar to your Chinese porn games.

Shinkai write love stories for ronery men, the same demographic that buy VN. It's a niche market compared to movies but it still follow the same conventions of the nostalgia for what never happened. Le average guy and the magical girlfriend is the oldest anime trope

He really wants to make critics seethe this time huh

>Garden of Words has feet
>Your Name has spit
What's his next fetish this time?

Because we are talking about different people. Or is he aiming to be like that grumpy old fart?

Mirai was awful lmao

Those proof videos plagiarized from 9/11 truthers.

It's Mari Okada for me

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Shinkai best works are drama and the uncommon type of drama those will never get the mainstream appeal of Miyazaki works that even though great works of animation are for the most part thematically shallow, just recently Shinkai started to go mainstream also his worst work was Miyazaki homage.

armpits

or slimegirls

Wtf, this is just a Your Name clone except the gimmick isn't body swap + time travels but let's watch the rain together.

Doesn't Miyazakis stuff all have the "what's wrong with falling in love with a middle schooler?!" undertones the same way Shinkai's have muh distance between people? Idk, I don't see recurring themes as a problem

>muh distance
It's apparently missing in his latest film
since they are close together almost all the time

where the fuck did you guys all watch this? does everyone but me speak japanese?

It's possible it'll be a less literal distance this time. Like Your name was about as heavy as it could be with both time and space not to mention only really communicating via logs to each other, so he could be toning it down a bit.
People are pretending to have an educated opinion on a film from a poster and maybe some trailers. Shocking, right?

Miyazaki is a hack who produces his films mainly for an export market, which makes them barely "anime" at all - they're no better than Disney films for the most part.
Every single dedicated Ghiblifag I've had the displeasure of meeting is either
>someone who doesn't know anything about anime besides Ghibli
>an actual boomer who grew up watching them in the 70s and thinks their opinion is still relevant
>a turboshitter who only likes anime because it's popular right now
Meanwhile, Shinkai, who has yet to really hit it big in the west, is the thinking man's movie director.

You had one schtick
and you had to abandon it
for shame, Shinkai
for shame.

>It's apparently missing in his latest film
It's still there, just really toned down. Like Hina only "disappears" for literally less than a day, and Shounen reunites with her after the timeskip pretty easily.
Not everyone's a pathetic eop.

>where the fuck did you guys all watch this?
It's a fairly-long-awaited film from a well-known director so it's not unreasonable for anime fans who moved to japan (not as uncommon as you might think) to have seen it. Not to say a large portion of anons aren't bullshitting or working from other people's summaries.
>does everyone but me speak japanese?
I would estimate about 5-10% of us do

Imagine actually being a Shinkaifag. Imagine being so schizophrenic that you have Miyazaki constantly living rent-free in your head.

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I want a fansub RIGHT NOW

>really toned down
that's a shame that it's just normal, earthbound distance this time
not even played out in the entire film?

It goes both ways, If Shinkai isn't compared to Miyazaki in any discussion someone will come along to correct things

oh yeah, Miyazaki, I forgot about him

>But since you don't consider Wold Children even "good" and TGWLTT better then everything after I don't expect you to have any taste.
Hosoda peaked with the DIgimon Movie and OP movie 6 faggot. Why don't you go back with that normalfag taste

>that's a shame that it's just normal, earthbound distance this time
Eh, not exactly.
>not even played out in the entire film?
Yeah, that was kind of the reason why I said it's toned down. Though there's a reason in the movie why it wasn't played out that long.

>It goes both ways
It doesn't. Shinkaifags are the ones constantly comparing him to Miyazaki. It's kind of funny because Shinkai himself has already stated that Miyazaki cannot be beat.

>If Haruki Murakami influenced you as a storyteller, who influenced you as an animator?

>In the Japanese animation industry there’s a big ideal, and that’s Hayao Miyazaki. He’s someone you look up to and are influenced by. He’s got his own, totally original style. He’s a genius. But… you can’t be Miyazaki, you can only be the second Miyazaki, and that isn’t something to aim for.

>That’s interesting, because in the English-speaking world at least, you’ve been touted as ‘the new Miyazaki’ for the best part of a decade, in many reviews and on posters and DVD covers. Is that search for the ‘new Miyazaki’ part of the discourse in Japan, too?

>In Japan, people in the animation industry, or anime fans, don’t really use that term. But people who don’t normally see animated films – including the media – tend to use it. It’s inevitable, because Miyazaki is so famous.

>And he’s a huge influence. He and his team basically established the whole system. They created what Japanese anime is now. It’s impossible not to be influenced by him. I saw Laputa [Castle In The Sky] when I was in Junior High School. That was the first movie I went to see with my pocket money, that I paid for myself – and it was great. There was nothing like it. It’s not like I want to make movies like his movies, but I want to achieve what he achieved emotionally for lots of people, including myself.

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idiot no artist would agree when people say that they're better than another artist, especially a living legend and especially in Japan, that would turn everyone against him. he probably likes it but is pretending to be humble

Who says he's better than Miyazaki except the delusional Shinkaifags? The interview doesn't even say that.

If anything he peaked with Ojamajo Doremi #40, retard. His work on Digimon is overrated (especially "Our War Game is better than Summer Wars" is typical tryhard hipster nonsense), and One Piece Movie 6 has nothing going on for it other than some visuals (the last third especially has an evocative Shigeyasu Yamauchi influence that is rare in Hosoda's work, despite him being one of his masters), is a tonal mess and the typical "muh nakama" One Piece retardation makes it pretty much unwatchable.

I don't really care what Shinkai thinks of how his own work stacks up against the classicists' poster child.

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>Who says he's better than Miyazaki except the delusional Shinkaifags
who says Miyazaki is good except Miyazakifags?

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Everyone, starting with Shinkai.

That's for Your Name's generation user
Does Yamada have anything for this year?

>who says Miyazaki is good except Miyazakifags?
Many, many people. He's up there as a legendary Japanese filmmaker alongside the likes of Ozu, and Kurosawa. Shinkai would agree as well, that's the funny part.

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>Who says he's better than Miyazaki except the delusional Shinkaifags?
In a sense, just saying he's better means that you either think neither are good or you are by definition a Shinkaifag.

Shinkai is a Miyazakifag

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I guess we have undeniable proof that Tomino > Anno

and still literally every /a thread is make a claim in an op->rest of the thread is everyone tripping over themselves to not only refute it but proclaim the opposite. Exciting....

Tomino might be the most incompetent director to ever have lived. It's frankly amazing how bad he is at everything despite having a 50 years career behind him.

>Tomino might be the most incompetent director to ever have lived.
He gave the world the original Gundam. He's made his mark, especially among the nips. You can't touch him.

There are at least 2 anons arguing in favour of the OP in this case

Mirai was nominated for an Oscar. Your Name got left out for a movie about a boy named Zucchini.

You must have never seen the Ideon movie. Classic.

His anime are an interesting blend between shit and brilliance. It is mostly because he has to fill a 50 episode slot. It is typically why the movie versions of his anime series are better.

Miyazaki is a fag

Good. Now fuck off.

It just shows that they have no credibility whatsoever.

Promare will win this years, it has blacks and gays.

This. He hasn't directed anything good in almost 20 years and has some real stinkers to his name.

They nominated a 2 hour movie about a guy who turns into a turtle that doesn't have dialogue because Ghibli is somehow involved in it

Yeah too bad all his movies have literally the same plot

He doesn't turn into a turtle, he FUCKS a turtle.

>Cringey otaku pandering
>CGIshit not made by Pixar
CGImare is dead on the fucking water

It's progressive & inclusive homosexuality acceptance, you fucking shitlord.

Girl reminds me of Hilda from BW

she cute

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Enkou doujins when