Houseki no Kuni

Chapter 80

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STRIBOOOORRG

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IT BEGINS

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Let the sufferring begin.

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Combo breaker

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spooky

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we need longphos to call him

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>not phoskelly

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>moon gems will get mad at Phos for making all the moonies vanish due to prayer
>Earth gems will hate Phos further for trying to change their situation instead of living in stagnation

I can already see it.

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Not in the middle of a dump.

>not even a single hint of Pads

I hate it

If sensei completes the prayer I think it was said that the gems will be kill too

Give Aech a yaranaika face.

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That fucking bottom panel is horrifying

He'll get relevant in the SEA ARC

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DO YOU WANT MORE THAN 20 PAGES, /hnk/?

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cairn forgot phos?

AHHHHHHHHH

Phos!

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NuGoshe is so weird. Like, what's even "fun" in his understanding? If everyone is boring. A mass murder?

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This is it, folks.

Let's hope new volume's bonus will get scanned fast once it's out.

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Is he fucking skateboarding?

poor creamcorn

Wait, which gem is this?
I mean, it is a gem right? Just look at that sparkle.

>Aechmea was in the end just some good guy who truly fell for the beauty of gems
u wot

Should be NuGoshe.
As you see.

It's Goshe.

Not so fast. We still don't know what's up with Karen's arm. Why he kept it. Why he lied to her. And many other things.

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Fucking Goshe

Just here to remind you of who's still the cutest gem in the series.

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Ichikawa really likes making Phos suffer huh.

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As shit as Phos is, at least he's got a good taste.

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Gross, disgusting poison shit. Delet

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He's her gem for bullying

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How evil.

I hope everyone else dies, and she gets left alone to go insane.

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Red Brutus.
But cute one.

Ill stay away from hnk threads untill i read the new chapter.
Have a nice time gembros

Poor Sensei.

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Shinsha deserved to suffer for that bitch shit. But Shinsha's still the cutest gemfu.

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>circlejerking
disgusting creatures

Are you going to translate it user?

Sensei should be coerced into praying. It’s what a faulty machine like him deserve.
It’s very fun seeing him scared and uncomfortable

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No one in hnk is completely evil or completely good so I feel like the moon man has some good in him and maybe to some extent he really loves Karen. Still he clearly lied to all the gems and omitted a lot of informations. I highly doubt that Phos would have proceeded with the plan if they knew Sensei's reasons.

Who needs Antarc when you can have this? Phos is a real retard.

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pretty boring chapter tbqh

Can you read Japanese?

yes

Sup, NuGoshe! So, what would make it fun for you?

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less aechmea

What happened

Shinsha chapter when?

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Suffering.
He might be gone soon. It might be the last we'll see of him. Give him a break.

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We need Stiborg here asap.

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Maybe we'll have to wait for tomorrow.

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As I said in a previous thread I feel like the monthly serialisation is impacting quite badly on this manga. Every month we wait for answers and every time we get left hanging and this long wait together with the lack of informations makes all of us to feel frustrated. This chapter was quite boring indeed but at least we got an answer regarding sensei's refusal to pray. I'm really hoping that this arc finishes quickly and hopefully in a satisfying way.

RUAAAAAAAAA!
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Moon Arc is already over. This is an epilogue, I suppose.
And the in-betweener before Sea Arc.

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were's buddhanon?

He's meditating. Forever.

More like where's our local slut.

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>Aechmea smilling
Once again, very cursed chapter!

Aside from the bit where he omitted that Sensei praying would make everything related to humans disappear, not just the lunarians?

He's just happy he's finally dying, user. With his loyal wife by his side.

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He's so fucking ugly

Are you fucking serious! This is how you end this fucking chapter!?

Which one? Whom are you calling ugly?

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Isn't he about the shatter

Fuck off

He's retarded in a different way from Yellow.

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what is Dia singing?

For the first time Karen looks really displeased with their greesy husband, let's hope this time the poor gem opens their eyes. (My hopes are still slim tho).

Dia cucked Benito on the moon idol thing. Benito is NOTHING.

Pretty sad that Alex forgot about Chryso. Or so I assume given that she doesnt seem bothered that they stopped the restoration proyect.

One day you'll understand. But it will be too late.

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Some songs before moonies vanish. She doesn't know she's in danger as well.

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SkelePhos is cute, I obviously meant the moon whore.

this
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>aechmea literally waited as she spent two hundred years in a box fully knowing what happened to her and where she was

Phos is perfect!

Dios mío, espíritu del Señor, espíritu de Dios, Padre, Hijo y Espíritu Santo, Santísima Trinidad, Virgen Inmaculada. Ángeles, arcángeles y santos del Paraíso, descended sobre mí. Fúndeme, Señor. Lléname de ti. Expulsa de mí todas las fuerzas del mal. Aniquílalas, destrúyelas, expulsa de mí los maleficios, la magia negra. El Ogro de Las Tinieblas. La Luz Extinguido. El Insecto. Por favor, destruye la infestación diabólica. Todo lo que es mal, pecado, envidia, celos y perfidia. La enfermedad física, psíquica, moral, espiritual y diabólica. Destruye al Monstruo. A La Creatura. Quema este mal en el Infierno, para que nunca más me toquen a mí, ni a ningún ser. Ordeno y mando con la fuerza de Dios omnipotente en nombre de Jesucristo salvador, por intermedio de la Virgen Inmaculada, a todos los espíritus inmundos, a todas las presencias del Goblino, que me abandonen inmediatamente, que me abandonen definivamente y que se vayan al Infierno eterno. El Chupa-Chupacabras no puede triunfar. El Monstruo. El Abominación debe morir. Encadenado por San Miguel Arcángel, por San Gabriel, por San Rafael, aplastado por el talón de la Virgen Santísima Inmaculada. Aleja a la aberración genética. Al Ogro del Este.

I feel like it's fine if Alex and Yellow eventually grew out of their complexes about their partners, grieving isn't supposed to last forever after all, and there's no indication the moons could bring the dusted gems actual personality or memories back either.

Yellow has other problems right now, but until we know why they stopped restoring the gems it's not that easy to say why Alex seems unbothered.

Tenshi no Enogu

Phos is ugly. Karen is far cuter than disgusting abomination.

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I predict this chapter will be heartwarming and hopeful.

I don't think he was conscious during those years as the first thing he said was a continuation of a line he didn't finish before timeskip.

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Do you like setting yourself up for disappointment?

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user, don't... it hurts.

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He doesn't play 4d chess, he plays 6d chess. This evil mastermind is way above.

>"Wake up faggot, we're dying today"

guys I'm from the future. The happy ending is right around the corner being raped

are you ready for the next chapter?

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Sensei is broken, aparently when he's functioning correctly, he can "select" who will become nothingness. But at his out of control state, he will vanish with everything of human origin.

AFTER LIFE CHAPTER HERE WE GO! EVERYONE IN NIRVANA.
Phos feels bad for sensei on earth and tries to find a way to be by his side.

>phos spends half a millennia trying to get everyone killed
>gets everyone killed
>wants to go back
sounds like phos

Why? These threads have gone to the dogs and you ingrates refuse to get your acts together.

Nigger it's been two months since there was a proper thread, we have to get our shitposting out. Also
>we
>implying you're not HxHfag here to try and ruin things

Even PAS left us... we'll just keep on suffering.

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>remember Phosphophyllite? this is him now, feel old yet?

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What should we do if there's nothing to discuss until everyone can read the chapter? And it's been two months of big fucking nothing.

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>Aleki STILL blindfolded after 220 years

This is the first time Cairngorm has looked like Cairngorm in forever

ichikawa collab with junji ito WHEN

stop thinking this shit manga is on the same level of evangelion

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I think it's some sort of advanced google glasses and she can see properly.

It's okay, gems can see through their bodies just fine.

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>you ingrates refuse to get your acts together.
hxhfag has yet to show his face so i say its good thread

FUCKING RADICAL

>vagababy criticising Houseki no Kuni

>t. Cringeworm

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>vol 10 extra booklet is 64 pages
That's a lot

>fanbases from other threads come here to shitpost
i thought houseki threads were above this

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I miss Antarc.

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i miss phos' beautiful long hair...

is just one guy who keeps baiting

It has the prototype manga in it, so it's likely that a decent proportion of it isn't new

wtf happened

It's a single faggot who's been doing thiscontinuously for the last few months. That said, he's completely right as to the last few months' threads being completely devoid of any discussion and basically becoming a nest for homo crossboarders to ERP and discuss their gay cosplays.

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Shinsha happened

Does suffering make you human? Does that mean I am human too?

The best proof of this is that there aren't any lore pics anymore

>Phos is hated by the earth gems
>Is going to be hated by the moon gems for causing the end of their new life

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ALEKI CUT HIS FUCKING HAIR AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

They didn't look like they were upset

>webcam photo taken of user

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All the moon gems knew the moonies wanted to disappear.

Weren't Lunarians supposed to be super scummy and prone to earthly desires?
It's the end of the world in 21 minutes and they only want to eat and listen to idol Dia? No sex, violence and society completely collapsing?

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You called?
>hurr durr this is a deep and philosophical manga and our threads sure do reflect that!

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pretty sure it's just in a ponytail

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Just in time for Sea Arc

>Implying most of them are smart enough to remember that when they forgot Phos

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The only moon gem that looks upset is Cairn because she actually has something to lose.

They've done all that shit a billion times before already, might as well go with the stuff that's only a few hundred years old

>So here I am

-for the last year*
And to be fair it didn't suddenly happen either, but on a rather consistent downward trend.

Phosu ;_;

hxh is a meh manga

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>dumblr filename
haha

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It has it's moments. The biggest problems are Togashi's frequent hiatuses killing any pacing he sets up as well as making him lose his focus on where he wants to take this thing. That and the hijack by shounenshitters who spam threads left and right with nothing but shitposting contained within.
Just like these threads.

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Karen looks damn cute with his hair like that, wish I still gave a shit about him

that was fast

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>she actually has something to lose.
Good.

WHY IS CRAB LOOKING CUTE?
WHY IS THIS FUCKER LOOKING SEXY?!?!

how Alex and Benis can make good food if they are gems?

dia is CUTE
I’d like to imagine she’s not even singing, just standing there and making the public go wild with anything she says because CUTE

can you read?

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When will the kind child finally catch a break?

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Barbata is a good teacher.

Ame also talked about a "gem therapy regime" that Yellow's going through and how it's not affecting him, but the implication could be that the therapy has been applied to others. Maybe Aleki actually came to cope with the trauma.

You're my absolute nigga and a man of culture

>hiatusxhiatus is "deep" because of some buddhistic lore thrown out there
>houseki no kuni isn't because of actual buddhistic lore ingrained in the story
really made me think

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stop posting the same images you dumblrette

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>Doritos falling out

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I’m currently busy, but I’ll be able to translate in like an hour

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Phos is losing his intelligence!

Nice, I'll be waiting.

Hey, to anyone wondering where Striborg is, he's out playing mahjong.
He'll be at home in an hour or two.

youre a fag btw

>Dia singing Minmay songs as the mooninites disappear ending with the stadium empty

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>have to stew in agony until I get the full agony release in an hour

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nice

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Champion

Oh man, you sure showed him.

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I'm surprised they didn't end up going through with the surgery. What was even the point of bringing that up (even making it a chapter cliffhanger) if it was going to go absolutely nowhere?

Kinky!

Hi, /hnk/, I hope you didn't forget me,
I'm sorry I didn't make any pic these past 2 months even though I really wanted to, to be honest the discussions weren't interesting at all.
I'm glad to see the new chapter leaked and soon translated, thanks chinkanon and Striborg for their work, though I won't be awake to see it.
Please make a lot of discussions and I'll try to make a cool compilation tomorrow.
I feel kind of down today but I'm glad you're all there, I hope you will all find the end of your sufferings, even you dumb hxh poster.
Yours sincerely,
Compilanon.

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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH
I STILL LOVE PHOS!!!

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Go die in a fire.

>headcanon is now ironic shitposting
fail

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Silver moon
Red moon
tsumetai anata wa buddhist dandy
Shoushitsu no kemuri ga me ni shimiru

It's midnight in CET after all, I don't know how Striborg is consistently showing up this late

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Degenerates like you belong on a cross

fuck off you pretentious obnoxious loser
cancer like you is the reason any sane poster sages these threads

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>Doing everything I can

Barbata should teach Ame about sex in their final 20 minutes together

Ganbatte compilanon! Stay strong and remember that suffering brings enlightenment!

Low effort bait.

we would try slut

I'm back sooner than expected.
Time to get to work.

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So what should he do the remaining 19 minutes?

pathetic

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Hear, hear, brother.

Thank you!

>IP count doesn't go up
Kek
Thanks for all of your help Striborg.

Translations aren't out yet slutty.

Summon long phos

Thirdo impacto when?

rude
be nice to Barbata, he's dying yknow

thread theme should be
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The stuff of nightmares.

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How cute of you to think there's only 1 person who thinks all this circle jerking is disgusting.

>Phos, reconstructed by Sensei, goes on the offense again to make him pray!

>If Sensei prays, the Lunarians will return to nothing, and the gems will be saved. This is what Phos spent all of himself for. All to get here.

>It's happening

>Phosphophyllite was reconstructed
>Adamant was rebooted
>It looks like he was successfully made to recognize the presence of a new human

>Come

>Let's go together

>Whuh?

>Ooh...
>Seriously...?

>He's still undecided

>Still, he's taking quite long
>Phosphophyllite is forcing his hands into the praying pose, though Adamant doesn't seem to be resisting

>That's fortunate

>PRAY
>MACHINE
>DO IT FOR MY SAKE

>If only you had never been here

>120 minutes ellapsed
>Stability at 31-2% and starting to get through

>Prepare for the general announcement
>Yes

>It's Aechmea

>Adamant's reboot has been confirmed

>In case of his successful activation, before its effects reach us

>It'll be 21 minutes

>Everyone

>There is not much time

>It's time to go home

>If we have 21 minutes
>That means
>I can still sing five songs

>Everyone
>Let's all have fun until the end!

>I want to eat Alex's food one last time

>Of course

>It's a pity I couldn't show you the end of my research

>Yeah
>Did you have fun, studying on the moon?

>Yes!
>A lot

>Aren't you going back home?
>Even if I did, there's no one waiting for me there...

>21 minutes, huh
>Maybe I'll go eat something

>I love your Napolitan pasta

>Great / Give me a hand then
>Sure

>It's alright

ichikawa's vagina looks like a mess in the bottom panel, but I'd fuck her all day any day

KITAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>If Sensei prays, the Lunarians will return to nothing, and the gems will be saved. This is what Phos spent all of himself for. All to get here.
This hurts.
She deserved better.

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>Nothing is alright here!

>Your prediction was half correct
>What was!?

>You said we'd go together if you clung to me hard enough, remember?

>What?

>To be exact
>Due to Adamant's internal damage, and his inability to control his own power because of it / If he prays

>Everything that originated from Man will return to nothing

>Lunarians, Gems, Admirabilis
>These three races will all go, without a doubt
>At the same time

>That's why Adamant refused so strongly to pray
>His affection towards the gems is what allowed him to develop sentience, as small as that ego was

>And that's also the cause of his malfunction

>YOU IDIOT

>Hahah
>Don't "Hahaha" at me you bastard!

>You mineral lifeforms...

>Are incredibly pure, kind
>The most beautiful creatures in this world

>You even managed to make a machine dream of a Paradise
>That he would build for you at all costs

>And even though I committed countless atrocities for the good of my people...

>I can understand how Adamant felt all this time

>Everyone went home
>How boring

>What are you going to do? Who are you going to spend this time with? What are you going to eat? The last hour is approaching.

SO HERE I AM
DOING EEEEEEVERYTHING I CAN

Well looks like everyone is about to fucking die ain't that just grand you guys

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Thank you

I love you Striborg

h-hopefully paddydaddy wakes back up

>everyone is going to die
>this means shinsha is going to die
Looks like we get our happy ending after all

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So this is it ?
Is this the end ?

fuck off dumblr

Thank you!!!! If after this he doesn't die I hope Cairn starts to question himself about his relationship with the lying moon man.

>gems are the bones of humanity
>phos's metal reforming into human arm bone shape

Small goshe

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nice eye user

thank you so much
>These three races will all go

Barbata and Ame are going to spend their last moments together, that's so cute!

I'll miss you guys once this is over, it was always a pleasure to discuss this manga with you even the filthy earthfags.

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>praying kills everyone
I FUCKING KNEW IT
If Phos succeeds with making Sensei pray in the next chapter he'll have failed in everything he ever wanted. Fuck.

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Is this the first time Aechmea has said his name himself? That feels significant.

Maybe the reason they stopped reconstructing the crushed gems is because Aechmea knew it was a waste of time all along since if Phos succeeded everyone would end up dead anyways. All he needed to do was bullshit the morons left on the moon and stall.

>Everyone fucking dies if he prays
I guess that means it won't actually happen.

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Is this the Texhnolyze of our generation?

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There's 21 minutes left
Each chapter, cover excluded, is 23 pages.
>Next chapter is going to be a countdown, one minute per page, plus a 2 page spread of the now empty, dead world.
K I N O

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>Goshe wears sneakers and a hoodie

wait, wasn't there a long period of time where sensei was alone, before fiding the first gem, and still would't pray?

I mean, I guess he'd rather have someone like them around, instead of completely loneliness.

N-nuAntarc will walk into the room in the next chapter and stop the prayer r-right?

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he would have killed the slug people

Maybe she forgot about that?

Holy shit, you're right
If for whatever reason it fails, the moonies might get pretty pissed at Phos, which revives all our theories about Sea Arc Phos being attacked by the Moon Gems.

Mother of fuck.

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it won't happen, there's still suffering left for 108 chapters. The last page will be failure.

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>You even managed to make a machine dream of a Paradise
This is some Bladerunner shit!

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>PRAY
>MACHINE
>DO IT FOR MY SAKE

>phos has completely dehumanised sensei and only sees him as a tool, a thing

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Yeah the prayer's gonna fail at the last second, screencap this post.

I think she has just gone a tad insane and would regain her senses and snap out of it if she was given (or gave herself) a moment to rest.

It's time for the nuant arc!

so i guess the "defect" that he experiences would be his fear of being alone forever

>Everything that originated from Man will return to nothing
>Lunarians, Gems, Admirabilis
>These three races will all go, without a doubt
>At the same time

I bet Phos is going to survive, all alone, without gems, lunarians or slugs, only Phos. Adamant is only going to broke completely after praying, so no adamant either. Only Phos.

worst case cenario phos can always shatter itself into a bunch of small pieces and be done with it, that seems to stop their consciousness

21 minutos?
Is this bait?

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My guess is that Phos will hijack his prayer because he really wants to save his gems since I really doubt Ishikawa is just going to go " And then everyone died"

>Sensei would sacrifice anything for his gems

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What are the odds of everyone dying and eons after the cycle restarts again with living things appearing again and new gems?

No you fucking moron. It's clearly a vajra. Were you even paying attention to the older threads?

>prayer cannot kill phos because his suffering goes beyond the limits of humanity
it's not fair, bros

>insulting someone for not having read every thread in the past 6 months
This is how you get circlejerk generals

can be both

The Songs Of Distant Earth

hello ESL

youtube.com/watch?v=E1dTeJpmVME

youtube.com/watch?v=frAEmhqdLFs

IT ALL RETURNS TO NOTHING

The top part is a vajra, he means the forearm.

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go back

ᵗᵘᵐᵇˡᶦⁿᵍ ᵈᵒʷⁿ
ᵗᵘᵐᵇˡᶦⁿᵍ ᵈᵒʷⁿ
ᵗᵘᵐᵇˡᶦⁿᵍ ᵈᵒʷⁿ

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>Phos all alone
>All gems besides himself are gone
>Sensei seemingly broken after being forced to pray
>Phos goes on an endless journey
>Eventually finds large deposits of minerals
>Phos gets the idea to split themselves into the three forms of humanity
>Starts to do it but then realizes that everything will repeat or be even worse for everyone if he does
>Wanders for god knows how long and finds Sensei after thousands of years of walking around the barren earth
>Finds out that praying actually just consolidated everything/everyone into him and caused him to break
>Phos merges with the consolidated form of everything and white blinding light envelopes Phos and his surroundings
>We cut to a different time in an unfamiliar environment
>All three forms of humanity are interacting and thriving with each other
>There's a Phos
>Looks extremely similar to Phos at the beginning
>They accidentally get swallowed and dissolved by a slug
>This has happened to other gems before so everyone else knows what's going on and what to do
>Reformation scene from back when Phos was reconstructed back in chapter 6 is redone, however when the hand reaches out, the point of view changes and we are looking up towards where the hand came from
>original Phos can be seen reaching down and reconstructing nuPhos
>nuPhos wakes up near the end and looks up and sees old phos
>nuPhos wakes up in the actual world, and makes an off comment on what they saw before being swamped by individuals that care about him and are glad that he is okay.
>Shinsa is also there and is happy that Phos is okay, while also having close interactions with the other individuals, since their Mercury seems to be fixed
>Doctor that reconstructed nuPhos makes an off comment about Phos needing to be more careful while flashing a caring smile
>"Camera" sweeps out and oldPhos can be seen smiling at the scene which is being reflected through a part of his gem
>The End
This would be kino.

>Implying it's a general
>Implying that the discussion can be missed when it all happens at chapter releases
This is some pretty low quality bait.

>phos's metal reforming into human arm bone shape
No! No! He was clearly just talking about this specific part of his arm!

last thread directed others to this one
this is why your threads are the worst on Yea Forums
on par with BNHA and SNK

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This feels like the end is near.
If it is, this was a nice ride.

I have no idea where the story would go from here but god I hope everyone won't just fucking die and that's it. This shit is happening way too fast desu

!191112389
>implying that somehow this makes the thread a general
>implying that a monthly manga that only gets threads for the last part of the month is a general
>Posting an unrelated image and trying to drive the thread off topic
This is some low quality hxhfag shitposting.

>last thread directed to a thread with content
>this is bad
Truly yours is a mind incomprehensible by man

Then show me all the insightful discussion going on in this very thread. Please. I can wait.

Before reading note the difference between a few key terms:

Stance, and opinion are not the same thing. Opinions are based on non-factual information while a stance is not. Also, interpretation and deduction are not the same. Interpretation is simply the explaining of data, but all not explains are not based on fact. Deduction is the breakdown of events through the use of law or principle.

Key Point – Just because you call something incorrect doesn’t mean it is. Words alone are not proof. Which is why counter points must be made using deduction and supporting inferences.
When you pair a character with anyone other than their respective canon counterpart you are making direct negative implications about them and the feelings they express in the series they are from and degrade them as a whole. By pairing them with other characters you are stating that the feelings they express in the series are weak or otherwise worthless. This is due to multiple factors, every action works on the same principle of cause and effect, meaning that any statement a third party makes about the characters has implications about them, whether the third party intended for them to be there or not. Remembering two things; implication means the result of logical consequence, and that there are three base states of action – positive, negative, and neutral. All action falls under one of those three categories. To degrade something means to make a negative action towards it. Note that you can make degrading implications about anything, not just living people, which is why it’s factual to say you degrade the characters by making negative implications about them. Also bearing in mind that all fan made work makes direct implications about the characters for another reason. It’s “fan” work, the characters being used are predefined and developed, if you were not making a statement on the characters you would not be making fan work, but original content.

While I don't doubt that something might turn around the prayer, somehow the idea of Phos surviving while everyone gets whisked away doesn't sound so bad.

Characters are concepts that exist as set-in-stone entities. Meaning once their story is told we, as third parties viewing the events, posses all available information about them. Granted their story does not continue in a canon sequel. But even then, as new information is given we as a third party have full access to it. Point being that once a story is told it factually exists as that story and no personal view or interpretation can change the events that actually happened. Just because fallible interpretations can be made does not mean all interpretations are valid. Which is why personal taste and opinion is not a factor when determining whether certain content is insulting or degrading to the characters involved. Also, fictional stories are limited concepts set within the parameters of its creators. People are not capable of limitless thought, so neither are the concepts which they make, which is why all questions about fiction have a finite answer set. The answer set may not be one item, but the set is finite.

A character is given worth through its story’s development. This is true because if a character is not developed they are considered a blank slate, and a blank slate has no worth. If a character is not developed then no story about it has been told, meaning it’s not even a character. Characters are abstract concepts and as such their value is also abstract, meaning it is not a numerical value but a conceptual one. Developed in a canon setting gives a character worth, so when that development is discarded for the sake of pairing the character with someone other than their canon counterpart you are implying that said development is worthless in the setting where choose to pair the alternate characters. It makes this implication because in the setting with the alternate pair the canon feelings of said characters are not being used. To not use the feelings is the same as saying the feelings have no worth because if the state of being used does not give them worth, nothing does. Just saying “I give the feelings worth because I like them” is not the same as actually giving them worth because you just stating something does not make it true. Similar to saying “I am running” while you are actually walking. Statements alone do not prove fact, the result of logical consequence proves fact as the results can be repeated and tested by multiple parties. Remembering that value comes canon development and implying that canon development is the same fan development is making a high to low comparison, thus is a negative state of action, and is thus degrading to the story and characters. Also, to be degrading does not have to have an actual effect on the content. “Degrading” is the only the type of statement you are making. It should also be noted that the term canon is used to describe what is factual within a fictional setting. And the one way to prove something is canon is to be able to support it through events in the series.

Phos you fuckface dont bully Sensei.

The main reason that alternative pairings are degrading to the characters is that it implies their feelings are weak and disposable. If the feelings between two characters are strong then they would not easily fall in love with other characters, which is what alternative pairs imply as they make direct implications about the characters due to the nature of being fan made content. And the same as it was before making a high to low comparison about the strength of the character’s feelings is a negative action, and thus a degrading type of statement. Not all deviation from canon is a negative implication, mind you. Only concept that in some way implies negative things about the topic. In addition, not all interaction between characters is “shipping” interaction. Only specific events have romantic connotations, even in subtext based shows. But, even under the false assumption that all interaction is “shipping” interaction pairing the characters with their non-canon counterparts is still degrading to them as you are comparing the high amount of interaction they have with their canon pair to the low amount they have with the alternative pair, again, being high to low, which makes it degrading.
It also does not matter if you “seriously” like the alternative pair or not, because no matter what you personally feel about the pair you are still making the negative implications about the feelings of the canon pair. Sort of like saying “I was just kidding about you being worthless and disposable, haha, it was just a joke.” The intention/verbal confirmation and logical consequence of the actions do not match.

To pair the characters with multiple people you are also treating them as interchangeable and disposable, which is highly insulting because it make many negative statements about them; that their feelings feelings are weak, that their character as a “person” has no real substance, that they’re not capable of being faithful to anything, etc etc. If you claim that any situation you put the characters in will lead to romantic development then that’s the same as saying all romance involving them is cheap. Basic math will tell you this. It’s a simple 1 to 1 ratio, as delta when exchanged is zero that mean everything is worth because no gain is possible. To simplify it further, you are claiming that there is nothing special about the canon relationship because it could easily be replaced. And of course, implying a strong relationship is nothing special is a high to low comparison, thus it is degrading statement.

In closing; please be aware of the difference between an opinion and a stance. An opinion is based on non-factual information. And all of the things stated here are based on the logical cohesion of events and their results and can be repeated by other parties using the same process, thus they are facts. Also, as stated before, just saying words alone is not proof of deduction, so simply calling something “wrong” is meaningless unless you support why it’s wrong. And if something is an opinion rather than a fact, you can prove it’s an opinion by pointing out the flaw in the logical process where a factor depends solely on a personal value rather than a value determined through the development of events

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>can't even have a thread discussing the monthly chapter after JUST being translated without some buttblasted shitter spamming the thread
I see that the idiot is reaching an all new low here.

Is this a bot? Its words have nothing to do to the post it quotes.

Have you been on Yea Forums at all this month? There have been daily threads with nothing other than the regular shitposting you all produce. These are generals.

Pretty sure one of the shitposters is copypasting ACK again like he did a few months back.

You're the only bot here, troll.

Aww that Ame and Barbata moment.

!191112742
>implying that there have been constant threads
>After a two month drought
Kek

Just ignore shitposters.

Frankly you're just as annoying.

This pic is cool, but I think it could be even cooler with a small change in the composition.

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Phos is literally Shiji when you think about it.

Good catch, that looks a lot nicer

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phos is bland and boring when compared with shinji
any eva character hell even toji is better developed than fucking phos

Go take a look in the archive. You should be able to find most of them searching for the typical terms.

>Come back to /hnk/ after a month of Ichikawa not making me suffer
>This is the end
>mfw

I'm not ready for another of my favorite manga to end. I STILL REREAD AIR GEAR

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it's not going to end... right?

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>people genuinelly thinking this is the end
There will be at minimum a volumes worth of content yet to come, even putting aside how much stuff was set up that is yet to be elaborated on.

Nonono. Let them think it's the end and then maybe we'll stop getting regular threads and quality will go back up again when one shows up.

who hurt you, incel?

Good point.

Not sure how I feel about the prayer apparently killing everyone. I thought it was just going to "kill" the lunarians. There really should have been more foreshadowing to this but I guess Aechmea pussyfooting around Cairngorm wanting to go with him and then stopping the gem restoration project maybe would have been foreshadowing. And it seems like Phos is actually turning human to some degree. I wonder if the prayer will kill sensei too. If not it's possible that if the prayer succeeds then human Phos and sensei will be the last beings (at least as far as the story's concerned) left in existence.

Yeah, I expect some asspull from Euclase or alike stoping Phosu.

>quality
>these threads
Nah.
>ichikawa stealing from anno
This is new to you?

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>Spend hundreds of years on the moon with people that hunted you for basically nothing
>be there Specifically to get rid of them in a very specific way
>btw it kills everyone else too

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Sensei said he was broken and assuming that is accurate there will 100% be adverse consequences to Phos forcing him to pray

Also yes, obviously Phos is becoming human. That was to be expected ever since we learned that "humanity" split into parts.

Thank you.

Niggers.

He's really not. Their personalities and development are not alike in any way. Shinji is an insecure guy who only acts for the validation of others and doesn't care about the outcome.
Phos is an arrogant guy who while initially seeking the validation of others without care for the outcome, eventually starts caring more about the outcome than the validation, while at the same time losing his arrogance.
Shinji gives up on his "duty" several times through the series, while Phos never gives up on anything, which might either be his best trait or his worst flaw, depending on how the series ends.

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Thanks for posting an actual good series. GOod to see that there's still some taste on Yea Forums against these retards

Actually a good idea.

I always thought the whole setup of the slugs, gems and moonies originating from humans as foreshadowing an event or plot point as big as this. Also, with Aechmea withholding information from Phos all this time, I'm not surprised he didn't reveal this critical info until now since I can't really see Phos agreeing to such an outcome (at least on the onset). That said, we'll see if the prayer actually succeeds. Admittedly, an ending where only Phos and Sensei survives is far from being the worst either.

Phos was only on the moon for a few months at best.

Rohiniposter?

Compilanon is the slut, rohiniposter just has shit taste and fangirls over things most of us hate.

Not really Phos only does it for validation to prove herself right.
It is for her own sake and every gems know it so they called her out for this.
She even admitted herself now.

Several years actually, since even by the night raid the Earth gems had already established an entirely new winter patrol.

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I actually liked this panels

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Asking Sensei to pray for her sake =/= seeking validation

She's been through so much shit and she just wants to end it all so she can have that peace of mind.

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Haha imagine holding compilanon's hand

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drink clorox you faggot

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Is that so? Do you think it took Euclase years to establish a new winter patrol?

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So if Sensei is stopped, where exactly does the story even go from here? Everyone just keeps on trucking the way they have been for thousands of years?

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fuck you, okay?

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Nah she just doesn't want to admit she has been wrong all these time.

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That means he's seeking validation of himself. If Phos wanted the validation of others as his top priority, he would still be on earth fucking around. The other gems value Phos' fighting skills, and Phos was already the strongest weapon they had against the moonies, so he had their validation.

The pain from failing again makes Phos achieve enlightment and then she kills everyone. The end.

Going about things the "wrong" way even if she had good reason for them has nothing to do with her seeking validation. Hell that page you posted even proves that she's dropped any pretenses of seeking their validation.

What? A few chapters ago he begged Sensei to pray for the sake of everyone but the bald guy failed to do so, so it’s understandable that in despair Phos could only ask Sensei to pray for his sake.

Phos turns human but immediately dies a horrible death because he doesn't have any skin. Phos achieves enlightenment and permanent nonexistence while everyone else is doomed to eternal existence. Sensei completely breaks too so the lunarians and the gems have no conflict anymore and just continue meaninglessly existing.

Phos will find some other way to try and unfuck things, though I can see everyone else not liking the idea of her disturbing the status quo. Honestly, Phos should just stick with the sea slugs. They've done right by her enough times and actually acknowledge her efforts.

By that I mean they had cycled through several different gems already. Unless multiple winters pass in the span of a month which, given the six fucking moons they may very well

not he you fucking retard
jesus fucking christ neck yourself

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>80 chapters in and he still doesn't acknowledge that Phos isn't female and that they refer to each other with male pronouns in Japanese

Seeing Phos like this just makes me want to hug him and tell him everything will be okay.

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I don't know what to say, this chapter feels really weird, I can't believe that this is happening...at the end it all returns to nothing.

Next chapter is Jade Chapter, I hope

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>designed like females
>behave like females
>N-NO THEY ARE MALES!11
honestly kys faggot

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They're not males either but they do refer to each other with male terms.

>kys
go back

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Unfortunately androgyny in fiction is more or less "feminine or bust", which does have a few roots in reality. Other than that, just relax.

>cycled through several different gems
What? They hadn't. What are you talking about.
When Phos goes back to earth the second time, that's the same day winter sleep officially starts. We know this since the winter sleep of the current year started exactly 202 years after Phos was shattered.

220, not 202

Thanks, I mistyped.

HOLD THE FUCKING PHONE, IF THE MOONIES ARE GONE, WHAT ABOUT THE GEMS DISPERSED AS DUST IN THE MOON SURFACE

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Probably because they have been doing that for who knows how long that they are over that.

>>I have a fatal defect
>It was love
nobody in this fuckdamn story deserved any of this

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I guess they evaporate? If every single race linked to humans is gonna kick it, all that dust might melt away too.

Isn't praying a thing a human could do too or am I forgetting something about why Kongo was made? If Phos becomes human could he pray in place of Kongo?

I imagine that if the prayer kills everyone that it would affect the gems that are dust as well. It would be interesting if there was a post prayer but pre nonexistence scene where we see all the gems that were only mentioned show up and everyone say goodbye before disappearing.

I'm confused a bit. Regarding the spoilers:
Aechmea implies everyone will transcend. But is Goshe at the end implying nothing happened to the gems and the moon, in the past tense, or is the last panel just a snapshot mid-happening?

Everyone went home to enjoy their last moments. The prayer hasn't reached them yet.

I think the plan was to teach the Moon Gems how to do it themselves

Oh I see, that make complete sense.
For some reason I thought Goshe and Aechmea were speaking figuratively.

why must everyone in this story suffer

>the guy who is supposed to transcend all souls attached to the mortal world ended up having an attachment himself which prevents him from fulfilling his duty
Oh the irony.

>dabs

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But if prince knew everyone was gonna get blasted, wouldn't the whole endeavor just mean that he's simply entertaining them until oblivion like he was doing with Phos?

nice

how new are you?

is pad dead?

Didn't follow HnK for a while, is it about to end? Was the ending announced? Did Ichikawa said anything at all?

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Probably, yes. No one ever mentions Pads in 200 years except in passing, and they don't have a panel when everyone learns they're about to pass on.

all my favourite gems don't exist in this story anymore or were turned to shit
i fucking hate ichikawa i want to burn my hnk merch

Saw someone say that last chapter was the final chapter in volume 10. So starting with next chapter
>Prayer is successful and everyone is gone either next chapter or the chapter after with whatever scenes that entails depending on how Ichikawa wants to do things (2-3 chapters including the current chapter)
>Kongo and Phos are the only living beings left. They realize what happened and we get a Kongo flashback (2-3 chapters)
>Epilogue with Phos and Kongo living together until Phos dies of old age (3 chapters)
There. That's volume 11. 8-9 chapters like normal. It may be possible to have the prayer fail but I feel like at this point that would feel too much like a tease and be pretty annoying.

Nothing's announced but there's still at least another volume worth of content because last chapter was apparently the last chapter of volume 10 which was already announced.

what about the seven treasures of buddhism? phos is still missing a part

youtube.com/watch?v=EV6E13xODyA

No, he still has a significant role to play and last time we saw him he was up and talking. I’m sure we’ll see Pap Smear again pretty soon.

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grinding gems < gems grinding

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Now it's just skate AND die

wrong character tho

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I'm reading about this and it seems like what the 7 treasures are varies quite a bit. A few sites I went to list diamond as one of them, or a possible one. Diamond is one substance that has been described as "adamant" in the past (and both adamant and diamond come from the same Greek word) and is associated with the word "vajra", which is Kongo's real name

>cgshit
>have the gall to call it hnk
pathetic

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Hnk(2018)

ghost comes back but its cumcorn

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>titties on gems
kimochi warui

My vote for Ghost.

begone fag enabler

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I was about to slap you with my giant dong and state that Hokuto no Ken anime is garbage compared to the manga, but then I noticed you posted a manga page, so I will let you silly joke here slide for today.

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holy shit the amount of faggots ITT
go see the ovens

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do you wanna quote them specifically or...

>filename
You're just as bad as the homos

>calling people faggots
>while giving a very good reason to become a faggot
3dpd is trash.

you creatures are unnatural

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>having that sort of shit saved to your computer
Who's really the faggot?

report and move on

>reverse image search
>no results

[You]

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Does Cairngorm really not care that every single gem will vanish too? I understand not caring for herself but what about the others? Jesus.

Even fucking Aechmea knew this wouldnt go well, since he omitted that part of the information all this time. I wonder how will the moon gems react if they know. I doubt the praying will actually happen, most likely some will dissapear at best.

What's the matter? Think you might be STRAIGHT for a rock?

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>pokemon is getting a gacha game
>gacha games often have crossover events that include characters from other franchises
>Ichikawa has worked as a designer for pokemon in the past and may be doing designs for sword/shield
Phos in Pokemon soon

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She did?
Which Pokemon?

You tell me

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>goshe

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We don't know which ones she is responsible for but she was listed in the SM and USUM credits as a designer. The biggest suspects are Nihilego and Blacephalon for pokemon, and Lusumine and the normal type trial leader for trainers.

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>If Phos becomes human
Well, she has the legs from the flesh, the body of the bones and the eye of the soul?
didn't think about it but now it makes sense with she is an amalgam of different things.

ichikawa has alerady forgotten chadpad

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LIGHTS OUT, GUERILLA RADIO!

Bork!

season 2?

Fall 2021 at the earliest

>ghost prevented cairngorm from becoming nothingness

Are these boys or girls?

Rocks.

> all this and he posts Hurrhurrhi too
my physical body cannot contain my disgust

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W-where's the translation bros?

In this thread

>191109764
>Lunarians, Gems, Admirabilis
>These three races will all go, without a doubt
>At the same time
>That's why Adamant refused so strongly to pray
>His affection towards the gems is what allowed him to develop sentience, as small as that ego was
Where are all those asshats talking about how sensei was wrong for not praying

Red Beryl best beryl

>She deserved better.
No almost all of his problems are of his own making

>Shinsha still bored and isolated
whoops

He is wrong tho, the faggot is stopping the natural order of nature by keeping the lunaris in that perpetual state of immortality.

>the faggot is stopping the natural order of nature by keeping the lunaris in that perpetual state of immortality.
What about a robot praying is natural? If anything it's more natural for them to stay immortal as some kind of divine punishment.

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The natural order of nature is for only those who are prayed for to disperse, he is a machine explicitly made to pray for those who wouldn't be prayed for otherwise.

Do you think this has made Cairn stop taking a liking to Aechmea?
It seems she was fine with herself and the other lunarians going away, but everyone going and not telling her about it looks like a step too far.
I'm not sure what Cairn can do in 20 minutes, but I can see Aechmea underestimating her and her ability to drop previous attachments and letting her do something that might get in the way of Sensei's prayer

Following on from that, Cairn is the only one who seems to have the will and agency to be able to change anything right now.
Does anyone know if Padparadscha could survive an atmospheric entry?

Pad not being mentioned is kind of weird. Last we heard of him he was in like a coma or something after being drenched in Cinnabar's mercury right? Bort was too but recovered with little issue, just a haircut. Maybe whatever they did to bring Pad back to life made it harder to do much about the mercury. The gems on the moon supposedly are able to use the lunarian crafts so they shouldn't have to just jump from the moon to the Earth, and even if they did that they definitely wouldn't survive entry.

That's probably just Pads previous condition causing the worse reaction, plus he did get fairly drenched in it. I was just thinking that the quickest way to stop Phos would be to drop something on him.

>I was just thinking that the quickest way to stop Phos would be to drop something on him.
Heh. I don't think dropping something from the moon would reach Earth in under 21 minutes.

>phos is a fucking monstrosity
>"oh look she's human enough"
very subtle, ichikawa

>ghost remains based until the very end

>Everyone is fucking dead at this point
Kill me.

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minutes ellapsed
>Phos was REEEEEEing at Kongo for two fucking hours

Poor Sensei having to listen to his shattered child call him a fuck piece of shit toaster for not wishing them out of existence an eternity sooner.

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Paint master level: 14. Fucking timing couldn't be fucking worse. I'll upload the rest in a few hours.

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Thank you user :)

Test.

Clearly if Aechmea had mentioned that minor detail, Phos would just have gone home and not helped him.

>and her ability to drop previous attachments
kek. It would be pretty satisfying to see Cairngorm betray Aechmea.

Not really much he can do about it now, can he?
As it is, the gems on the moon have been living separately from the earth gems for so long now that they're barely recognisable, even the other moon gems voiced their desire to become Lunarians as well, despite the consequences.

Regardless, gems still don't really understand the concept of permanant death, even the ones on the moon, so I imagine it would be hard for Cairngorm to really understand the severity of whats going on, he was only scared/sad before Achmea mentioned that the prayer would affect everyone only because he still hadn't found a way to disappear with Achmea yet.

Honestly I don't thing Candycorn really cares about the earth gems anymore, maybe she thinks itd be best for them all to go together? Gems just don't really understand death, even the ones who've lived on the moon for 220 years, so why would Cairngorm get angry about it now? Or even conceive that this 'permanent death' is a bad thing?

Done. Check if I didn't screw up and you can drop it somewhere.

> nuGoshe getting some sick air on the last page

What a way to end the chapter

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We'll have to see how this shakes out, but I think Cairngorm has steadied himself with the idea that he just doesn't need to worry or care or be concerned about the earth gems, or even the other moon gems, at all any more. He can just live a hedonistic lifestyle with his hot sugar daddy husband and everyone else can do whatever the fuck they want. What concern is it of theirs? Even ascending out of the physical realm with the rest of the moonies didn't involve anything that affected anyone else. But what's dawning on him now is that getting what he wants is going to result in something directly at odds with what the other gems want, and he's being faced with the fact that he actually has to choose between his own desires and the desires of other people. Which is forcing him to consider the other gems again for the first time in a long while. He's been living in denial for years that everything could be fine and he'd be allowed to do whatever selfish thing he wanted because it wouldn't affect, or be the concern of, any one else.

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Cairngorm still thinks of death as "something" right? He said he would have to go with Aechmea so he didn't get lonely, which means he thinks it's a state of being.

I think that’s a lot of reaching to be perfectly honest. Seems to me that he just looked worried at the start because Achaea was going to ‘leave’ without him having figured out a way to join him, after he reveals the truth Cairngorms like, comically angry with him for not saying anything earlier.

Obviously he understands that this death thing is important, but he doesn’t really know what death IS, at this point he still thinks death is like, a place they’re going to or some shit.

As it is, he didn’t seem to even care that Ghost could never be reconstructed, so I doubt he gives a shit about the fate of the earth gems, especially now that he’s been living away from them for 220 years.

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That explain why no one discuss any theories at all, i guess this manga is just a trannie magnet and nothing else.

>cairnwhore
>giving a shit about anyone but him or his cum daddy
pick one

Hell to extend that none of the moon gems have shown any fucks given for anything but own personal hedonistic pursuits since the failed night raid. I swear when Phos goes to back nobody gives a shit and are more concerned about bleaching their sphincters a pretty pink.

Something not really mentioned here is how big the lunarian influence is on the gems, they literally forgot why they went there in the first place.

He seem really sketchy and manipulative, I still don't trust him at all, not blatantly evil but he does look like someone that would do anything to fulfill his wishes.

>Poor Sensei.
And anons here think Phos has it bad... just think for a moment that we don't even know that much about him and i doubt is happy backstory.
Go away prince, don't you have more gems to brainwash?

I just think they don’t care, we know from the barbata conversation earlier that they are aware of the whole ‘stopped gem reconstruction’ thing, seems like 220 years is long enough to get over that shit though. Just like how it was enough time for the earth gems to ‘forget’ about Phos.

Regardless, it was kind of a shit deal anyway, they could spend all that time and effort reconstructing those gems, but they wouldn’t have any of the old gems memories anyway, they’re effectively dead whether reconstructed or not.

>and there's no indication the moons could bring the dusted gems actual personality or memories back either.
>Believing in lunarian lies

Maybe it would be a shit deal for the living gems since they wouldn't get the friends they knew back the same way, but for the dusted gems it seems far better. I know I'd much rather become an amnesiac then be killed.

Jesus!!

how about Slender Phos?

What a great End it is

Doesn’t really matter what you’d rather since your personality and sense of self are gone anyway, that version of you has effectively died.

A more pragmatic mind may just think that reviving such a thing is a waste of time/effort.

>Status: suffering
Poor sensei, losing gems for thousand of years, now abandoned by said gems and treated like a tool...

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>I mean, I guess he'd rather have someone like them around, instead of completely loneliness.
Considering he was built for the purpose of the last human wouldn't be lonely.... that was dick move for sensei.

>And it seems like Phos is actually turning human to some degree
I did forgot Phos has gem, Lunarian and sea people parts on him already so he practically is human.

I think it would be strange if the manga ended now. In my opinion it still has too many plot points to address. We still don't know about Padpa, Yellow's crisis, Shitsha's purpose in the story other than being a traitor (a long time ago they seemed important), the admirabilis, sensei's past and much more. Plus I always hoped Karen was going to understand how their husband was a real jerk. Cairn has always been one of the most loved characters in the story and ruining him like this, without a "redemption arc", would really bother me. In the end I still hope gems are faced with their mistakes and start to learn from them, an abrupt ending would only leave a sense of unsatisfaction.

I think so too, it has to fail, but a total failure wouldn't change anything. We'd have skipped 220 years for nothing. A partial success could be interesting though, imagine if 10% of all life died, most lunarians/gems/admirabilis would still be alive, but a significant amount would be permanently dead. Or maybe everyone but the inhuman admirabilis on the moon, the dusted gems, and fragments of phos survive, since they're the furthest from human form. Or maybe sensei just fucking explodes.

Yeah I highly doubt this is going to be the end, there’s too many loose threads.

>grinded your friends to dust
>scathered across the moon
>make other species pets/slaves for their amusement
>harass sensei for eons
>taking away sensei's only company since being alone for an eternity.
But hey prince is hot so he can't be evil right?
>like how it was enough time for the earth gems to ‘forget’ about Phos.
Yeah is weird how the gems are being affected by lunarians, they remembered old gems for 2000 years but in 200 years they completely forgot someone, lunarian influence i guess.

Not saying Achmea is a good guy, he himself admits he’s done awful shit and let Phos get fucked up for the lunarians purposes.

> lunarian influence i guess.
Eh, I just don’t really agree, the gems on the moon seem to remember the gem experiments, they’ve just moved on over the centuries, just like the earth gems. We’ve seen pretty consistently that the gems (mostly) are pretty callous regarding the lives and deaths of others, especially since they just don’t understand death anyway.

> 2000 years
going by info and hints most gems haven’t even been around for 2000 years.

Remember when i was telling you that prince is just a fujoshit character, but you tried to convince me he is 10d chess playing mastermind with secret plan?
Lmao

>not realizing that Phos is 2 gems short of all 8 treasures to become literal God

Well last page has a gem saying "Everyone went home" the implication that even one gem is left is saying something but I think the Moomins are gone. I don't feel like there would be an percentage of everyone getting randomly tang'd at best the people that wanted to die, died and everyone who wanted to live, lived.

I can't believe the other gems arent coming back

That’s not the last page, it’s achmea reading out the announcement that kongo activated and the prayer would reach them in 21 minutes, he says something more like ‘we’re going home’ or ‘let’s go home’, it hasn’t happened yet.

I always found this page interesting, particularly how he specifies that it is a singular point in the universe that souls go to.

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Wouldn't said afterlife waiting room just be the moon?

I think nuGoshe just meant that everyone had left the skate park to go back to their homes. If senseis prayer had worked like achmea said it would then hed be dead too.

I'm pretty sure he's reffering to the afterlife itself there, given that he brings up the moon on the next page.

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It’s basically purgatory

yeah it's way better

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He literally has a wife. Turned a genderless being into a woman.
>fujoshit
I don't follow.

Yeah. Read those two pages without looking at the art.
He says that souls leave the body and then gather at a place, then if they're good or get prayers they go to the afterlife.

E.g. all souls gather at the moon(s) before going to the afterlife.
So purgatory (the waiting room for Heaven in Catholicism) is an apt comparison.

Guess we'll find out in a month but
>spend entire chapter of we are leaving (dying)
>last page is everyone went home
>actually no we just went home "home" for tea and cookies
Sounds like a bait-and-switch gag maybe if this was weekly battle harem I'd believe the writer to pull this shit.

The whole thing just reeks of a Moon Man's Burden
>oh we did tons of terrible things to all of the remaining races, were hedonistic, lied and omitted info
>but we're just good guys, honestly! All the races are gonna be dissolved but we reeeeally feel what the bot we forced to pray feels!
>surely you must understand, my wonderful wife who had no freedom before shelling out their eyes

I mean say what you want, I don’t think this prayer thing will even work but i just don’t think the countdown has happened yet, framing it that way is just weird.

No, it's like a reincarnation is supposed to work. Let's just work under the assumption that it does. There's a huge difference between dying, and just losing your memories and personality, because the conciousness remains. At best you could say it's like a new child being born. Generally children like being alive, even if they can't remember their past lives or even remember if they had a past life at all.
From the dusted gems point of view it's a positive thing, especially considering how sweet the moon life is, judging from Goshe.

I mean, Achmea and the Lunarians never said they were good guys, they just want to die and will do basically anything to achieve that, this chapter doesn't really do anything to dissuade that considering Achmea apparently just knew all along that Sensei praying would kill everything and didn't say shit in order to get Phos to help them.

Regardless of whether its good that these last scraps of humanity are going to be ferried off to an alternate dimension or nothingness or what is debatable, but as far as the Lunarian methods themselves goes they've basically always been bad guys and acknowledge that fact. IMO they're still sympathetic anyway simply because existing for so long has ruined them, but sympathetic can still be evil/bad.

A partial success might motivate the remaining majority of moonies to work harder to achieve their goal.

> because the conciousness remains.
But you can't recognise that since you don't remember it was there before, if any of those gems were reconstructed they would just feel, think and act like a completely new life because they basically are.

Regardless, it was up to the moon gems, and given that A) the 'people' they knew these gems as are perma dead, and B) they would have to genocide a whole other race in order to complete the reconstruction.

Could be that after thinking about it they just made the decision that it wasn't worth it, nothing is going to bring their old friends back, so might as well just call the whole thing off. Cairngorm himself also says 'without memories it isn't worth jack' in regards to separating their souls and becoming Lunarians.

It's also absolutely possible that they ran into other problems

He just admitted that he was manipulating Phos the whole time with "Oh yeah if you help us you and your species can live in peace haha".
He:
>deliberately censored the information flow to Phos (we know for a fact that the other moonies were forbidden from telling Phos certain things from Cicada's slip of the tongue during the Phos vs. Cicada fight, and Aechmea explicitly provided the other Moon Gems with the tools to learn complex science in spite of the knowledge being much more useful and applicable to Phos. Not to mention that Phos is also the most autistically intelligent gem who absorbs information like a sponge (we know this from the first fight with Lapis' head, and we also get small glimpses into how much random trivia he has from reading books at the library, such as apparently knowing all the classes of sea creatures by heart
>allowed Phos to go on the night raid which was incredibly stressful to Phos, as the people he's working so hard to protect suddenly hate him and are attacking him
>took away Phos' only figure of support and essentially subtly tormented him about it, by rubbing their romantic adventures into Phos' face at every opportunity
>made Phos choose between the innocent Slugs' and the dusted Gems' lives, something which would have caused huge problems with the other Moon Gems had Phos not gone to earth almost immediately afterwards
>finally rendered Phos completely irrelevant as the leader of "the revolution" by naming Craig the person who created the cease-fire and mutually beneficial relationship between the moon and the earth, and considering that Phos has been character assassinated on earth already, and none of the Moon Gems carea bout him, this makes Phos a none-entity and any semblance of an emotional connection is lost.
All in order to naturally progress him to this mentally unstable state where he managed to force Sensei into prayer out of sheer insanity and desperation, and it fucking worked. Is that not 10d chess?

>To remove those impurities
>The spirit requires the prayers of a separate, living human
>QUALITY IS IRRELEVANT
This is why you can't go to nirvana you dumb fuck

>such as apparently knowing all the classes of sea creatures by heart
When was this? I don’t remember it at all.

> in spite of the knowledge being much more useful and applicable to Phos.
How would learning science benefit Phos? Also didn't they only start learning science shit as a whole after Phos got captured? Pretty sure when they got the news Cairngorm had only just memorised the periodic table.

> took away Phos' only figure of support
To be fair, that was absolutely not a healthy relationship for either of them, Phos was projecting Antarc onto Cairngorm to ease his literally crippling sense of guilt and Cairngorm was putting his own health and even his identity at risk just to keep Phos sane because he felt like he owed him that for Ghosts sake.

Not saying the other shit isn't valid or that the Lunarians/Achmea aren't absolutely bad guys, but in these two cases I wouldn't exactly say they're applicable.

>There's a huge difference between dying, and just losing your memories and personality,
To who and how?

Phos did eventually become a master scholar.

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I think it's from when Variegatus appeared for the first time everyone kept saying it was a slug but Phos said he was was more like a nudibranch.

The sad thing is that Phos probably could be a pretty good scholar if he had the motivation to set his mind to it.
Even before getting Lapis’s head he was pretty good at memorizing stuff, like when he was studying the moonies with Areki.

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Not that user but to the new "person" I know if I woke up someone told me I have no memories or even the same personality there's a pretty good chance I'd go well at least I'm alive, thanks, guess I'll start a new.

>How would learning science benefit Phos?
With some biological knowledge he might be able to figure out the human particle shit, see through the holes in Aechmea's story about the slugs (for instance, why did they run out of food?) and at an advanced level, he might have been able to figure out the thing about all three races being prayed away, since that's apparently science too.
>Also didn't they only start learning science shit as a whole after Phos got captured?
Exactly. Phos wasn't allowed to learn.
>that was absolutely not a healthy relationship for either of them
True, but it was still Phos' support. Cairngorm did a fairly good job at keeping Phos sane, and sane Phos is not as easy to manipulate. Remember that before all this Phos was still thinking clearly and cautiously about what his position was, and was trying to manipulate the situation to his advantage as much as he could against an immortal unbeatable enemy.

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If you woke up after an accident and your family told you that you had had an entire life before that which you've forgotten, would you just kill yourself because "you're dead"?

>Not that user but to the new "person" I know if I woke up someone told me I have no memories or even the same personality there's a pretty good chance I'd go well at least I'm alive, thanks, guess I'll start a new.
Yes but the person I was before is effectively dead
>If you woke up after an accident and your family told you that you had had an entire life before that which you've forgotten, would you just kill yourself because "you're dead"?
I wouldn't but I also wouldn't still consider myself to be that person and would have no emotional attachment to his life

Ok let's put it this way. Would a person who REALLY loves living, prefer to lose their memories and live on, or actually die and have their brain rot and cease to exist?
That's the difference.

>With some biological knowledge he might be able to figure out the human particle shit, see through the holes in Aechmea's story about the slugs

I mean the gems on the moon were studying science for 220 years and they didn't figure it out, I doubt Phos would have, even he even thought learning that stuff was necessary.

> Phos wasn't allowed to learn.
More like 'Phos wasn't there to decide either way' as it is, its not like learning science was even forced on the gems, they just showed an interest in it.

> True, but it was still Phos' support.
True enough that Cairngorm was keeping Phos in one piece more or less, but Cairngorm was literally just about to give up their identity to appease Phos's mental issues, it never would have worked out and Cairngorm didn't deserve to live a life existing purely as Phos's therapist/Antarc replacement.

As it stands for the person, both of those are the same thing, either way you are suffering a 'death' and your life and whatever you wanted means nothing afterwards, its all gone anyway.

And again, it was up to the moon gems, who seem to have just made the choice that it isn't worth reviving a bunch of new slate gems since the friends they knew are permanently gone, especially considering that they would have needed to commit genocide on the admirabillis, who have their own lives and want to live themselves, to probably reconstruct the bodies anyway. Thats all in the case where they DIDNT run into any other problems in the reconstruction process, too.

>I mean the gems on the moon were studying science for 220 years and they didn't figure it out
they didn't care about it first of all. For Phos it's vital. Also Phos is significantly smarter than the rest of them, in spite of being low on wisdom and generally acting like an idiot.

>More like 'Phos wasn't there to decide either way' as it is
Aechmea waited for her to leave before suggesting it. And the others gems didn't show interest in it until Aechmea suggested it, only Cairngorm who just wanted to find a way to become nothingness, and learning science was just a part of that process, again as suggested by Aechmea.
>Cairngorm didn't deserve to live a life existing purely as Phos's therapist/Antarc replacement.
While true, my point is that Aechmea, whether it had a positive or negative effect on Craggle, did take away Phos' support and keep him isolated.

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Thank you Striborg, you are bro /or/ sis

How can a manga be so fucking sad?

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I feel like the assumption about Aechmea being aware that Phos could be a wildcard and trying to manipulate him in more than one way is generally correct, but you're trying to prove the point by reaching and stretching out some very debatable points instead of presenting the ones that are already in the pages.
Phos was given a tour of the moon and was in fact presented with the human particle, and Karen went to Earth after the night raid on her own will. Also nothing suggests that anything on the moon was kept from Phos aside from the knowledge that only Aechmea possessed.
What the prince actually did was
>use Karen's affection to remove her from Phos and use her faggotry to make him more desperate in order to weaponize that against Adamant, pic related
>present himself as "dindu nuffin" by carefully skipping the parts about the downsides of Sensei praying and (allegedly) his role in the slug deportation so that Phos would strongly feel against Sensei as the 'real' enemy

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He basically just lied by omission a whole lot, who knows what he would have actually done if Phos had just called him out for lying or hiding shit from him.

Same thing Phos did when they learned Sensei was keeping stuff from everyone: go apeshit and try to find another way

We've seen that: claim plausible deniability and immediately change the subject (he says "uhh your ship is ready" right after this)

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Literally how does Aechmea know that Sensei praying will kill everyone?

>Also nothing suggests that anything on the moon was kept from Phos aside from the knowledge that only Aechmea possessed.
Aechmea told the other moonies to behave in a certain way with Phos and omit at least some things, which we know because Cicada is an idiot.

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He broke sensei, this is all an elaborate ploy to genocide humanity.

I assume that they've been nagging Sensei for a looooooong ass time, and there may have been a point where they were at least somewhat civil, could be that they were able to physically study him, or Sensei himself may have outright told them he's broken.

Honestly though I think the real answer is that the lunarians have all kinds of crazy advance science shit so maybe through readings/scans whatever they can tell what wrong with him/his power more specifically.

He kind of did a shit job if it took this long.

Phos was to be observed closely indeed, but I can't recall no occasion of him asking to do or be told something and receiving a no as an answer.
No one else uses Aechmea's name because he doesn't like it and finds it annoying, it was just an open secret that everyone kept because there's no newcomers on the moon.

He seems to know a lot about Sensei's original defect -not the one where he wouldn't pray, but the one where he can't control his power as said in Probably dating back to the time of the incident when humanity went extinct for good, which Aechmea seems to be knowledgeable about.

>There is no smell anymore
Imagine the smelle

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smells like shells, boss.

>receiving a no as an answer.
whenever Aechmea doesn't want to tell Phos something he just changes the topic instantly.

Smells like fish, dish

Since you're here, quick question: what's the word for 'paradise' in this page?

And Phos just accepts it instead of pushing

楽園
Rakuen
It's a generic word for a paradisiac place.
Literally "Paradise" (as in, the stereotypical afterlife with angels and shit) would be 天国 "Tengoku", while Rakuen is what you'd use for more material "Heaven on Earth" examples, or really, any place you'd call a Paradise, whether you meant THE Paradise or not.

My point was that Aechmea lied by omission a whole fucking lot and definitely tried to use Karen as leverage against Phos but it's not like he carefully constructed a whole web of lies around him which every moonie was a silent participant in, precisely because the prince seems to be possessing knowledge that's vaster than anyone else by one or two orders of magnitude so it's not like he could worry too much about other moonies accidentally disclosing classified info, he keeps that all to himself.

Thank you, I'm aware of all that but I can't into moon so I just needed to be sure. Needless to say, 'rakuen' ties into Pure Land lore

>when Cicada arrived and finally there was a character I could self insert into

Do you remember last time Phos resisted Aechmea's will?

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I'm pretty sure he was scared he and the gems would be turned into dust.

This. Phos is trying his best to handle a species that has vastly superiour tech, and could in principle kill all the gems at once if they wanted. The reason why they don't is because Sensei feels more anguish if he has a few hundred years to spend with each gem before it's captured.

Actually, I wonder if Aechmea could be imprisoned in an airtight container?

Last for Striborg and Chinkanon!

>coming to a US-based imageboard to see Chinese scans of a Japanese manga translated into English by an Italian
what a time to be alive

>about Mongolian rocks

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>and hindu philosophy