Kyoani Terror Attack

Yeah, good fucking luck with that. Especially for a 41 year old shut-in loony.

coincidences happen. It's unfortunate but the guy was not some mastermind who planned it all.

>it is kyoanis fault
NO. No, it's not.

>japan is notorious for crazy fans. it's insane that one crazy dude could take down an entire company
Don't you see why that's unreasonable? They can't be expected to prepare for any and every possible scenario.

>Punished KyoAni
>A Fallen Legend returns to the battlefield

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>stronger than ever
oh so on par with other studios?

>not having proper evacation procedures
>not having proper amounts of fire extinguishers
just a couple without "really" thinking about it

Yep, a gun would help a lot in this situation, you can blow your brains off as soon you realize you are trapped and going to burn

Police have to control their citizens, making them to scared to commit a crimes

Why would they give them guns?

it is the companies job to protect their employees

Fuck off. Japan is not America

a fire escape on the building would've been rather helpful, even in the event of a fire not caused by arson

Japan needs stricter building codes not lXer gun laws

If that's true them this is one hell of a bad fucking coincidence. Gotta be one of, if not, the worst in history.

>one victim was so badly burnt they had to have their legs amputated
Jesus christ, man.

They're trolls. Ignore them.

Locking doors is an obvious fire hazard and the studio is at fault for the locking the door to the roof. Due to that a lot of people ended up dying whereas if the door had been left unlocked they could have at least jumped off the roof (even if they might have broken a leg). Hopefully other groups in Japan (and elsewhere) pick up on that and are more careful about not locking fire hazard escape routes in the future.

>Kyoan's fault for not having better fire protection measures?
But it is. With proper firecodes the smoke would have been contained and would have let everyone not in the immediate area a chance to escape.

Based and Burger pilled

There are a few different types of shitposters trying to bait people right now:

>good, moeshit producers deserve to die anyway
>why are you losers donating to a for-profit company
>KyoAni had it coming since they plagiarized the guy's novel, serves them right
>KyoAni is going to get sued into bankruptcy because Hatta expressed regret over not installing more fire safety measures

Don't pay any attention to people advocating for these talking points. The two last ones specifically are posted over and over again by samefags just to get (You)s.

Ok A1fag
Go jack off to your 1 well animated ED

>what are fire proof doors
>what are second and third floor fire escape routes

3 threads up after 5 days can people just take this shit to or something?

>>what are fire proof doors
There wasn't even any doors for the stairwell. It acted like a chimney for the smoke and killed everyone upstairs.

Hyouka is my favorite KyoAni.
Reasonable, since people are just scraping together new and old info to support their own narrative.

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People aren't saying it's their fault that people died in the arson, though. They're saying it's their fault for the number of people that died, which would have been greatly lessened if they had better fire escape procedures. They had, what? Two fire escapes? Did they even have fire extinguishers on-site?

Let's just ignore the fact he had a hammer and was getting in one way or another I guess

>Did they even have fire extinguishers on-site?
Would have done nothing to a gasoline fire. The lack of smoke containment killed KyoAni.

They found bodies stacked in the stairwell to the roof because they couldn't get the roof door open. I call that a failure of fire protection measures.

They had two different types of staircases, the spiral and the one that lead to the roof. The people on the stairwell could have survived if they had those doors.
Although if those people managed to head up to the roof top they would have suffocated anyways with all that smoke. They should have had a fire escape route leading to the stairwell.

>The people on the stairwell could have survived if they had those doors.
The smoke wouldn't have even traveled up there if the spiral staircase had doors.

Wouldn't both of the staircases need doors?

Yes but the spiral staircase connecting all three floors is or was the most offending disregard of fire safety.

>gasoline fires
>fire extinguishers
Most fire extinguishers you see in public facilities are not the variety meant to put out gasoline fires.

But there was no locked door

>fire extinguishers
As if that would work

People don't really get how fast the fire and smoke are here.
I have also seen a lot of people treating smoke like a black screen where people are able to run and think inside.

He scouted out the area too right? So even then he would have found someway to commit arson if he was really committed to it.

Dumb question but would sprinklers have helped with anything?

Not really, you need a dry chemical agent extinguisher. Grease and gasoline just travels over the top of water, so now you just have fast moving wet fire.

Nah

go buy a 40L jerry can of gasoline
get a fire extinguisher
pour the gasoline inside a room and lit it on fire
now try to not burn
you get an advantage i allow you to start with fire extinguisher in hands

>more fire extinguishers
>implying you're gong to be able to fucking use them when they're on fucking fire because they're covered in flammable liquid

They don't always think it be like it is but it do.

You can make your cities fire proof, hurricane proof, and earthquake proof, but you'll never make anything "The big one" proof.

Why would they give them gas? It works just as well.

>The murderer could just have well have committed a mass shooting.
In Japan? Nigga how dumb are you

>Kyoani's fire protection measures were deemed sufficient
That's because Japan as a country has no regard for employee heath and safety. The fire department probably figured having a front door was "sufficient" fire protective measures.

This. If an American was there, he would have shot the flames with his gun and extinguished them, as well as blowing away the smoke.

>why are people being retarded and edgy on the internet
user...

If they would have just baned fires like the UK this would have never happened.

Well if there are no legal means to get guns then I guess it's simply impossible to get them.

this triggers the kyoautist

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Improper Fire codes are the governments fault

What about the time Gavrilo Princip missed his chance at assassinating Archduke Ferdinand and stopped to eat at a restaurant that happened to be on the detour route the Archduke was forced to take. Weird coincidences like this do occur from time to time.

Lol, there's leagal gun owners in Japan it's just only hunting weapons and only the wealthy get to enjoy the sport.

Japan and Europe is apples to oranges. Japan doesn't allow any camel cowboys in their country.

Why are you treating this incident like some structural problem that needs to be fixed when it is literally the worst man made thing that has happened in the country for 70 years?

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Franz Ferdinand if he just went on his regular route would have never been assassinated.

kek, that was literally animated by a former kyoani employee

So Kyoani are not to blame for government regulation then? Glad we understand each other.

Yea, it's crazy. Just 10 second in that shit smoke and it's crippling.

>bad people will find a way so don't get any protection at all ever
>leave your doors unlocked at all times

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Technically there was a more deadly arson in 2001. I don't mean to downplay your point though.

I thought they were never able to prove that fire was set on purpose?

>be illegally obtained
Ahh, the mythical illegal gun boogeyman.
That must explain all the mass shooting Japan has, then

how do you escape this?

The fire protection measures probably covered typical building fire scenarios, not a fucking blazing inferno caused by some retard dousing the first floor in gasoline.

Agree with this NRAposter. A good guy with a bunch of gasoline of his own would have stopped the bad guy. All the more if it were a good guy with a gun.

Yeah, just like gasoline being readily available to anyone who wants it explains the hundreds of arsons in Japan.

Exactly. This is what retards aren't fucking getting.

On paper it's a suspected arson but the building's illegal activities and ties to yakuza and Chinese mafia make it almost certainly "man-made"

How the hell are you gonna burn to death if you live on a island. Dumb nips probably couldn't swim

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Favorite KyoAni:

1.- K-ON
2.- Haruhi
3.- Hyouka

Thats pretty nuts
How different would the world be today....

It wouldn't have mattered if it were a fucking electrical fire. It would still block the exit, the roof would still have been locked, and the open three-floor spiral staircase would still have served as a chimney.
Regulations aside, it's obvious that the safeguards were utterly insufficient, especially for an anime studio full of delicious paper waiting to burn, which makes all the propaganda about how KyoAni was such a nice studio that cared about its employees fucking hilarious.

I think the yakuza came up in another thread, but they at least seem to have the sense that if they ever committed mass murder that the government would *actually, seriously* go after them and fuck them up. The Chinese are a different story.

For me it's K-On, Koe no Katachi and Liz to Aoi Tori. K-On edges them out as my favourite but it's so hard to pick between them.

he most definitely would have anticipated the door might have been locked and had attempted arson anyway. since he ended up fleeing it's also apparent he intended to get away with this. debating whether or not the sealed building or if on-site extinguishers could have stopped the fire doesn't change the actual outcome. they were as vulnerable as anyone who trusts their peaceful society to be so.

There was nothing stopping KyoAni from following pretty basic architectural fire safety design that's standard in the rest of the world (at least the important areas)

>Ahh, the mythical illegal gun boogeyman.
Paris.

Almost all firearms used in crime are illegally obtained.

Obviously everything has to be changed due to a single attack.

Like how every train station requires a search & frisk so the millions who commutes by train every day has to be made sure they aren't carrying biochemical weapons. So even though trains are crammed and congestion is crazy, more regulations need to be made to slow it down even more.

Like how 9/11 ruined everybody traveling by air and restriction a fuck ton of shit that can or cannot be brought on board.

youtu.be/BIn0uRnA4as

Slaves must be freed or die.

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But when him using the hammer to break the door to get in would have given the people inside at least some more time to hinder him, leading to hopefully less casualties. Anything would have made the situation at least a little bit better.

Just give the police a gun or something and allow citizens to obtain even if its just a glock

nice false flag

>Are people really this incompetent?
looks like you are bud, all those people who died on the stairwell? those people survive if the door fucking opens.

Mr gas n knives probably could have killed a few folks tops, kyoani's death trap sealed the deal for the other 30+

>a buuuuh you try and run from 40L of gaso-
he lit it and got away
they didn't go out the way he came because he had knives, they chose to go up and exit through the top
kyoani locked the top
kyoani didn't start the fire, but was responsible in part for their deaths
k-on was good no one is arguing that btw

they could have shot the door open you're right :thinking:

Japan NEEDS stricter gas laws and regulations. this is getting problematic.

A lot of gasoline and put on a fire, it is impossible to extinguish the fire no matter what fire fighting equipment you have.
There were no fire protection issues in the Kyo-Ani building.
Only the spiral staircase was a problem, but there will be almost no buildings that will have a fire protection system on the assumption that they have been exposed to dangerous materials.
The biggest factor that brought about this tragedy is that NHK to interview Kyo-Ani on the day of the incident, so the important figures of Kyo-Ani are collected, and That the security lock on the entrance was unlocked for the NHK.
Why did the criminal know that the security lock at the entrance was unlocked?
Why?
NHK Why?

damn

> those people survive if the door fucking opens.
Too much smoke, still would be goners. Also it wasn't locked.

>Why did the criminal know that the security lock at the entrance was unlocked?
He didn't, that's what he brought the hammer for.

He probably could've just thrown his gasoline buckets over them

>He didn't, that's what he brought the hammer for.
No, he had a knife but no hammer to destroy.

A fire escape would have easily sved their lives

The door to the roof was a pull type door so the people probably couldnt pull it open.

>hey lets make the door to the roof a pull type door
>that way it cant be opened if people are panicking and bunched up at the door trying to escape
>brilliant idea! japan architecture number 1

No one can prepare for any and every situation you stupid, unreasonable fucking nigger. It's an extraordinary case.

>they didn't go out the way he came because he had knives, they chose to go up and exit through the top
Fuck off. An employee chased him out. They didn't go that way because of the massive fire that emanated in literal seconds..

be white as fook

they mentioned it was a weird 2 handle door, i found this is a door handle in japan. Like what the fuck do you do with this, its a cluster if you panicking for certain/

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I heard when people panic, an open doorknob is impossible for them to open.

>No one can prepare for any and every situation
yeah but they can prepare for fires.

>He thinks a limp wristed otaku is getting through laminated glass with a hammer

> Like what the fuck do you do with this
Did you try thinking with portals?

If a dinosaur from Jurassic Park can't open this door, you know you fucked up.

He knew judo, man.

>Kyoani's fire protection measures were deemed sufficient.
Guess they actually weren't ahah

AND THIS WANSN'T A FUCKNG FIRE. IT WAS A CASE OF DOMESTIC TERRORISM.

municipal fire regulations are designed to protect from potential accidental/unintended instances of conflagration, not arson using tens of litres of gasoline

>3 floor building
>No fire escape
Their fire regulations suck

>regular fires equate to fires caused by flammable lquid
are we really doing this again?

He had a hammer, you can see it here youtube.com/watch?v=4ycRvbnkA4Q

I think the only buildings that are arson proof are banks

It wasn't terrorism because it wasn't meant to strike terror into a populous or send a ideological message. It was some autistic cock sucker murdering people because he thought they stole his meme.

People always do this shit in hindsight. The fact is no one could foresee a small animation studio in japan being the target of one of the worst arson attacks in recent history and mass murders in japanese. However finding places to put fault and place blame makes people upset by the event feel better so they’re likely looking for some kind of rational explanation to it regardless of how incorrect and offensive to victims and company it is.

op wanted more people to participate in his thread so he is calling it terrorism

Nah.

It is their fault though. They could have reasonably prepared for this.
Just you watch. Other anime studios are going to be more cautious from now on and if a similar attack happens there will be few if any casualties.

>Literally defending that they had to jump down over 10 feet from the 2nd floor and the people in the 3rd floor said fuck that and tried the roof.

kyoani makes anime that i like so they are completely innocent in this!

Someone posted pictures of different anime studios.

Majority of them are steel buildings with large glass windows like generic office buildings.

Not many of them looked like cheap apartment buildings like KyoAni with very small windows.

Also those other anime studios share building space with unrelated businesses as well.

You can 3d print guns these days.

You are genuinely being unreasonable.

Fuck off you retard. Stop pretending to be to me try and make me look bad. Kyoani are literally the people that fucking died.

Door is locked from the other side. You pull the green handle which simultaneously unlocks the door and opens the door in an emergency.

>Stop pretending to be to me try and make me look bad
You're doing a great job of that all by yourself.

This.

It was a fire that basic fire safety procedures would have many saved lives. Pretty much everyone died of smoke inhalation because all three floors were connected by a unsealed staircase. In America or some other country where firesafety is a big fucking deal this wouldn't have happened.

What a deluded retarded weeb, of course if he had an M4 (which can't be obtained in Japan, at least by a NEETard disgusting weeb) no guard or security measure would have stopped him.

But the facts are that Kyoani had several dead threats, the building had sensible material for production that people could try to steal etc, and on top of that it had 0 fire exits and if that's legal then Japan is a shithole.Period.

>b-but why take measures?! why a security guard?! nothing ever happens in Japan!
Until it happens, you are supposed to prevent shit from happening, guards don't deal with intruders everyday but it's THAT only day when shit happens that they are worth having, preparing is what makes the difference.

>b-but nothing could have prevent this!!!
A guy with 40L gasoline? perhaps, but someone trying to enter the studio is realy predictable.

Why didn't Kyoani have a psychic to predict the attack? Seems really reckless

stop shilling your shit channel

>A guy with 40L gasoline? perhaps, but someone trying to enter the studio is realy predictable.
They had loosened security that day because a news crew requested it so they could come in easier.

Why didn't they design their building to not kill everyone inside?

Not him but even if he is trying to shill his channel that's on hell of a good and i nformative video. Also the channel is too small for that anyway and work put into the video is immense. Actually watch it, i'm 2/3rds the way through it.

Yeah, spend at least 10 grand for a laser sintering printer. With those guns you can print with consumer gear you're most likely kill yourself when it explodes in your hand.

Buildings are not and should not be built to prevent this kind of an attack. It's impossibly uneconomical as well as unpredictable. This was not a regular fire.

lmao, oh god he made a one time use one shot 22 pistol which likely will explode anyway. costs hundreds of thousands for printer, when he could goto the hardware store and buy some metal pipes and watch a tutorial on how to make it. Fuck off liberal

you think people will think of that when they cant see and are in great pain and panic?

>news crew requested it so they could come in easier.
That doesn't even make sense, if a guard was on the front he would ask who they are and just open the door for them.

Did they even have security? or what japs call security is just locking some door made out of transparent paper? Because that's not really security and that's what it seems they had.

make me wonder who is really behind this post

>unironically saying weeb
>Until it happens, you are supposed to prevent shit from happening, guards don't deal with intruders everyday but it's THAT only day when shit happens that they are worth having, preparing is what makes the difference.
Anime is a niche you dumb hater. They're too fucking poor to afford security.

Dont reply to that poster user, he is a paid shill and/or AI poster. His only purpose is to spread disinfo.

Watch the video and decide for yourselves after verifying the facts personally.

>Buildings are not and should not be built to prevent this kind of an attack. It's impossibly uneconomical as well as unpredictable. This was not a regular fire.
Dude. Read up on fire code.

Sealed staircases and fire escapes are the standard in America. I keep repeating the fact that if the staircase was sealed like they are IN America this wouldn't have happened.

basic firedrills would solve that problem, my old building use to have 4 a year

I get it but he is not an e celeb or an anituber just some random. I'm not saying sub or like it but at least watch it. I'm actually amazed how informative and well put together it is. needs more views

>you think people will think of that when they cant see and are in great pain and panic?
You don't understand how emergency doors work, you don't really need to push it with your hands, just run into it and it will open, people designed them to be fire-panic proof as posible

>You don't understand how emergency doors work, you don't really need to push it with your hands, just run into it and it will open, people designed them to be fire-panic proof as posible
not particularly that door which is locked from the outside

>Anime is a niche
what
> too fucking poor to afford security.
every episode costs around 100K USD

>Why the fuck am i seeing so many retards saying it's Kyoan's fault for not having better fire protection measures? Are people really this incompetent? They could not have reasonably prepared for a disaster like this.

reuters.com/article/us-japan-fire-sprinklers/spiral-stairs-no-sprinklers-may-have-contributed-to-deadly-japan-fire-idUSKCN1UE0T4

lol did you read any of the news about the door ,it was locked and that very fire panic was what killed them because it was a clusterfuck door.

>Kyoani's fire protection measures were deemed sufficient.
Clearly they are lacking given the 30+ dead people.

Kyoani news threads have turned to complete shit since people keep spamming the same canned responses (I feel so bad, fuck the guy who burned them alive, etc.).
The first couple of days were interesting since we were learning new things, but now, at least half of every thread is just the same shit.
Just read the first post and move on.

>paris
Easy fix is to make it illegal for nazis to have guns.

Clearly WTC protection measures were lacking given the 3000+ dead people.

they FOLLOWED Japanese fire code and passed inspection.
It's not their fault that their countries rules and regulations are outdated

Sorry i wasn't him and i didn't really see that pic, jesus fuck Japanese people are really retarded, that "emergency lock" doesn't do shit difference from a normal one in case of a fire.

Emergency doors are supposed to have a long ass bar, so you can just run into while you can't see shit and it will open anyway

crazy

>Most fire extinguishers you see in public facilities are not the variety meant to put out gasoline fires.
The most common type is ABC which covers combustible liquids.

>Emergency doors are supposed to have a long ass bar, so you can just run into while you can't see shit and it will open anyway
Never seen those anywhere except hospitals...

>Not him
Yes you are.

And you as well.

This, retards have been sperging about different types of extinguishers but they forget they can cover several types of fire, kyoani probably had 0and what is worse it was probably right according to Japan's regulations

They should have had a halon fire extinguisher system so they could've died by suffocation instead of burning alive.

Unless the bullshit story about some employee turning into fire punch is true, the guy himself got burned from it. You really are a fucking moron

Uh? There aren't really any other type of emergency doors, in fact here it's the first time i see a different one, and in my country there are in most places like big modern buildings, shoppings and stuff like that

Haruhi
Clannad
Hibike

Well the door in the pic isn't supposed to be an emergency door. But the building planners saw that it could be potential escape route which being locked from the other side could be a killer so they installed that style of door knob. I have a door knob like that for my front door so I don't have to fiddle with the lock in an emergency.

nothing stopping them and Japanese architects from adhering to 1st world standards, just maybe that it would have costed more and maybe not follow their design style they were after. Who cares that it's considered unsafe in the rest of the world, it follows the fire code!

Also historically Japan did not have many multistory buildings and multistory building fires to learn from like America did.

They died of suffocation via smoke.

Having your leg amputated isnt the worst thing. At least it wasn't your hands which would be a death sentence for an artist.

We have modern prosthetics that are pretty good enough

>nothing stopping them and Japanese architects from adhering to 1st world standards
It would be seen as a direct insult towards Japanese society

>americans

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Should have just built their entire studio out of diamond the hardest metal known to men.
Don't think diamonds can burn.

Kyoani just had really bad luck, what are the chances of some tard burning your building to the ground on the one day you've deactivated the security?

America did one thing right and that was learn from horrific building fires and create fire codes to stop ever such things happening again.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Triangle_Shirtwaist_Factory_fire

>Clearly WTC protection measures were lacking given the 3000+ dead people.
Clearly.

I see those in theaters mostly.

>spreading disinfo
not true, and this point this early it's better to shut up rather than just repeating gosip most people has already heard here.
also I wish we would stop having those threads, there are no significant new info to warrant them and those threads are alway a shitshow

Police Department said they were within fire code
Stop blaming Kyoani, blame Japan

Well yeah. If the building had the standard of 3 Surface to Air missile sites protecting it then 0 737s would have crashed into them.

scary when you think about it

>Don't think diamonds can burn.
They can if you pour flammable liquid on them.

I don't understand you, are you trying to say there was a guard that tried to stop him and got burn in the proccess or what? If it's like that then the security completely failed, if i had to choose where to place security it will always be in the outside of the building that i prevent people from entering

>didn't have an anti air gun on the roof
Hope they sued the one responsible for not hiring a dedicated anti aircraft battalion.

Oh, my bad. Meant to reply to . I guess I'm the stupid one this time around

>what
yes

>every episode costs around 100K USD
most anime don't break even

shills and tripfags don't belong on Yea Forums

Fuck I know it's bait but I'm taking it anyways
Fuck off you Amerimutt

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Only a military building would have protection against gasoline explosion.

I know you're being sarcastic, but what do you think is going to happen if you shoot a plane down in the middle of a city?

No. Basic smoke containment would have saved the lives of everyone on the second and third floors.

Fucking hell, he might be right.

Well user, to be honest you can place any door as "emergency exit" but that doesn't mean it's really designed to be panic-proof door that can be a deal breaker in a situation like this one, of course if you have to choose between having none emergency exits and one with a non-panic proof door well i will take the first one

Ceiling could've collapsed

are they just going to brush it under the rug?

I heard he soaked people with gasoline and lit them up and the victims ran to the street burning alive

fucked up man

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The deal with most countries is that shit like this just doesn't happen. I perfectly understand that everyone living in america is in constant state of fear, I would be too if everyone around you was carrying a gun.

Rest of the world just isn't like that.

Still doesn't feel real, some fucked up mass murder happens to an anime studio and on top of all It's FUCKING KYOANI what the fuck sounds like a fucking facfic shit

I was exaggerating with the lives of "everyone" but a sealed staircase would have prevented the smoke from rising to the 2nd and 3rd floors and could have given them time to escape. The building's layout allowed smoke to go from the start of the fire in the first floor to the second and third floors instantly giving them no time to react as that much gasoline creates alot of smoke.

Australia gets arson attacks

It's not arson safety. It's basic fire safety.

I mean it is sad and all but did this studio produce anything decent?

Basic fires and fires fueled by a shit ton of gasoline are nowhere near the same

But fire exits and a closed off stairway would have saved some people

Anyone getting injured by the debris is at fault for not wearing a helmet 24/7 or driving with a tank through the city.
The whole discussion is just retarded, you can't account for shit like this.
Private companies usually don't plan to become the victim some lunatic, kyoanus is not some high profile public location that's designed to withstand all sort of terror attacks.

basic fire safety does not have a unsealed spiral staircase connecting 3 floors. pretty much everyone died of smoke inhalation because they had SECONDS to react when the ENTIRE building filled with smoke as it traveled up the staircase as if they were the same rooms.

reuters.com/article/us-japan-fire-sprinklers/spiral-stairs-no-sprinklers-may-have-contributed-to-deadly-japan-fire-idUSKCN1UE0T4
Don't take it from me.

>But an open, three-storey spiral staircase inside the building created an especially deadly environment for fire.

>“The structure of the building was that it had one spiral staircase penetrating through three floors acting as a chimney, the most effective way of starting a fire,” said Momoko Higuchi, a Tokyo-based architect.

>“Because the fire was with petrol, the effect was like a bomb. Most died of smoke.”

Maybe it would have helped a little, but there isn't a lot that can stop such quick moving fire in a building with the materials they had.

>but a sealed staircase would have prevented the smoke from rising to the 2nd and 3rd floors and could have given them time to escape. The building's layout allowed smoke to go from the start of the fire in the first floor to the second and third floors instantly giving them no time to react as that much gasoline creates alot of smoke.
No. It wasn't the building's layout that was the problem. We can always say it could've been better but they a good job as is. The fucking criminal poured massive amounts flammable liquid directly underneath it. They had an adequate smoke guard.

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it's their fault, they just needed ONE security guard or ONE locked door, the most powerful implements known to man

>that smoke guard
That shit wouldn't fly in America, just saying.

If USA public edifications have countermeasures for terrorist Japan sure as fuck can have measures against crazy otakus out of shape.

>it's their fault, they just needed ONE security guard
Fuck off. Anime studios can't afford protection against very conceivable thing or they will never be able to get anything done.

I know they had a chimney of death and everything, but against smaller fires they did have things like smoke guards to help. It may not seem like a smart answer but they did seem to have some things for basic fires. Not fast gasoline fires planned by insane killers to abuse their building's interior

Another arson, man burn man at trading card game con

blog.livedoor.jp/dqnplus/archives/1992329.html

youtube.com/watch?v=prgBy5FMUEw

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It's not their FAULT for not having proper fire safety, but they could have prevented many, many deaths if they had proper fire safety.

user, any moderate fire would've killed them in those conditions, the fat otaku just happened to go overkill with it

Nobody blames the victims i thought the point was if it was either Kyoani's fault or not, as in the company not the employees.

what in the fuck? this is really becoming a trend?

No external stairwells, a literal fucking chimney in the middle of the building, turned security off just because some people were visiting, it's not their fault but you have to be a complete imbecile to not agree that more lives were lost than necessary.

Point stands. Fire escapes/multiple exits and a better-designed building would have made this a lot less catastrophic than it was.

>Basic fires and fires fueled by a shit ton of gasoline are nowhere near the same

Yes they are, but in any case Kyoani had neither of them.

Don't even try to argue with deluded people who thinks Japanese is a paradise where everything is perfect

YES!
Yesterday urethane factory fire made by arson too.

asahi.com/articles/ASM7R6D79M7RPTIL03G.html

youtube.com/watch?v=r32LcBqiv7I

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based heroes exposing the shitty anti fire measures of nipponiggers

Fucking hell. Which studio do you think is going to be torced next?

That's not an arson, the victim didn't catch fire and the perpetrator obviously didn't intend for it to happen either.

They had some very basic fire safety. Not anything very good but it would still help with a regular fire in their building. Even if they had some better forms of basic fire safety though, not much they could have done against a strong planned fire

You think this was their intention?

If I was the arson, i'll burn up pa works, no doubt

It doesn't matter, hell is paved with good intentions, I don't think its your intention to suck cocks yet that doesn't make you less of a faggot.

not jc staff or one of the 3dcg "studios"?

But shit storm on futaba and nippon part of twitter is big, i think even bigger then kyoani.

So, let avait more arsons

>regular fire in their building
How so? there wasn't a single emergency exit and the design was shit including the material of the building, they probably didn't know where to run in case of an emergency, im not saying is Kyoanis'fault but come on the building was a death trap

If i had a business i will just put at least an alternative exit and tell them "hey you know, if you have to gtfo from here someday just run to that door"

No. Wanna know why?
Because their office building covered with wood inside like kyoanis.
There will be a nice fire lmao

>Because their office building covered with wood inside like kyoanis.
Oh shit you're right. But still i hope you don't think the wood was the issue, it's the flammable liquid. This stuff can be used to light fires on water.

Its better with wood, then witout lol

Last I heard; KyotoAnimu Studio #1 had a bunch of papers lying around and it's basically made of burnable material.

KyotoAnimu's animators can draw Haruhi-esque bitches heating up as they beat down some shounen; and then that whole place could've gone into a fucking ball of fire. For all everyone cares, yo.

I'm not gonna say KyotoAnimu deserves to be attacked by arson. But when that happened; my thoughts went out to Youhei, Mimoru, Kanie, Kyon... all of these shounens who suffered under these bitches from the shows they're in. And suffered with such GODLY animation.

I feel like balance had returned in the universe. All because of one fuckfart who just wanted to listen to his loud fuckfart music in peace.

Against a smaller fire, their multiple staircases with smoke guards would at least have helped with getting out and not choking to death. It may have been shitty and probably wouldn't do much for a bigger fire but it definitely wouldn't have been anywhere as bad as this, where the person used something to make the flames uncontrollable in a spot where none of their safety precautions would have helped

based
thirdworlders literally seething

The crazy part in this tragedy was that if there was any luck involved, it was a good fortune that the arson only managed to burn one studio instead all that Kyoani had like he seemed to plan originally. What did we do to get this damn timeline?

If they had guns, they would have been able to shoot and kill the smoke before it spread.

Reminder, attacker will face justice, not hate/retribution.

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the door wasnt locked, moke inhalation knocks you out in seconds

the door worked both ways, firefighters were seen pushing it

>What did we do to get this damn timeline?
I want to know this too. I'm feeling really sick and distraught.

The only reason it works here in America is because everyone already has guns.

it was literally an explosion, it wasn't really the fire that was devastating albeit not harmless.

Yes but people are using these guns to shoot each other on the freeways and highways. Japan doesn't need to be like the US.

The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a barrel of gasoline is a good guy with a barrel of gasoline!

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Aren’t anime studios getting death threats for various reasons on a regular basis though? They should know that there are a lot of psychopaths out there who would light or shoot up a place for trivial shit in a 2D cartoon.

I hope this attack encourages more studios to increase the security for their employees.

Yea Forumsrmaggeddon is nigh anons. The world is about to come an end.

youtube.com/watch?v=rhKy6GpV0B8

Just watch! After this, Japan will pass a zippity-do-dah law that vehemently punishes people who carry around barrels of gasoline!

You all seem nice, don't come to DEEN's building tomorrow.

>outside fire escape. unlocking the roof.

boom 30 less casualties

the majority of the victims were on the 2nd and 3rd floor and died of smoke inhalation you mongrel

A lot of threats are empty and anime is a niche. Studios can't afford to increase the security or feasibly deal with this shit. Kyoani should at least get government sponsored protection after this so it doesn't happen to them again.

kek

Yes, with his black market connections he definitely has

user...

Roof was unlocked the people passed out before getting to it. That's how fast the black smoke filled the entire building, a fire exit would have done shit.

Are you baiting? because it's not funny user, anime is not a niche and studios have more than enough to afford some security and fire basics

You're an absolute fucking RETARD.

Imagine if they had fire escape doors on every floor.
Imagine if they actually didn't turn off the door security.
Imagine if the rooftop wasn't actually locked.

The tragedy itself was of course the arsonist's fault, but the huge number of victims was because of Kyoani's dumb negligence.
that "34 died" might've become "3 dead" instead. That's a huge difference, you stupid dumbfuck BABOON.
I swear you idiots with no critical thinking whatsoever are everywhere spouting your dumbshit.
Go back to club penguin.

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This.

>anime is not a niche
Yes it is.

>and studios have more than enough to afford some security
*laughs hysterically*

Which is what happens when you don't beat nerds faces in. They are all around garbage people but with a bully their mind is occupied. A nerd without a bully just looks for new problems to cause.

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>a fire exit in each floor wouldn't have done shit
You need less than a minute to reach it and you are outside, people died because they tried to reach the only exit that was in the fucking last floor

huh?

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>Yes it is.
Sure it's such a niche that it gathered 2M in donations in less than 3 days.

Building frame wasn't burning. Almost 2/3 of the fatalities is because their escape route had no fire doors guarding it and smoke knocked them out. This would get the building shutdown by OSHA in burgerland.

based

Yeah, but were the fuck would he find bullets? Because, those ARE ALSO ILLEGAL.
You can´t print gunpowder.
The gas gallon and the knife were perfect for the terror attack, and the timing couldn´t be better - they had disabled the card system, the only real security measure they had.
I don´t think even the terrorist thought it would be so efficient - simple tools, and outright lethal - 30 deaths done by a single assailant.
ISIS should study this guy methods, he´s a born professional.

if i go out on the street and ask some 30yr old working class guy what anime is he's not going to know or have seen any

20 wimminz died

Fuck off, Bolsominion!

$2,000,000 is not a lot of money. Its not 1982 anymore.

It won't do any good to rebuild a single person's life, nevermind the 30 or so that were horribly injured, and the 30+ others funeral/burial costs.

Math, clown.

lmao

Why should that effect you, women are a non-factor in your life outside of your mother? Focus on what you are more likely to encounter.

NRA are pussies as you

Moralfag

>shitty brazilian leftist hippie in my Anime board
Those fucking faggots are everywhere.
Lula is in jail, asshole. You lost.

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The people that were on the fucking last floor collapsed just before the roof door you idiot.

>nevermind the 30 or so that were horribly injured
Not him but for what it's worth a hospital known for offering free services after natural disasters once again offered to treat the injured survivors free of charge

But yeah, most if not all of the $2M will go straight to funeral costs. Every bit helps though, bless the mangaka pledging to donate their proceeds

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Reminder that 26 people out of the 34 total deceased were actually burned to death instead of dying from carbon monoxide.

We need to start another gofundme to bribe the prison guard to make the arsonist's life a living hell everyday until he's finally hanged.

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Im not wasting money on people the government should've helped themselves

if i go out on the street and ask some 30yr old working class guy what Java is he's not going to know, that doesn't make Java a niche.

That doesn't have anything to do

>It won't do any good to rebuild a single person's life
Yes it would, outside of US hospitals doesn't cost 100K.

>Math, clown.
Considering that the average donation is about $10 i would say Anime is not really "niche", sorry to break it to you but Anime is really popular now, even famous people have spoke about it. You are not special.

>make the arsonist's life a living hell everyday

It's the Japanese penal system. That's already guaranteed.

nah fuck off back to tmblr retard

This. Jesus christ what a terrible and disgusting way to die especially for people who work so hard and get so little thanks for their work.

Yes, because the design of the building was absolute garbage, if they had one emergency exit in each floor like real first world countries (and even 3rd have) this wouldn't have happened, people don't die in an instant. 30 seconds is enough to reach outside.

Japan is not perfect, don't be a weeb

Thats not bad once you learn radiation

Here's the surgeon who offered to treat the survivors for free, and his tweets pledging to do so
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katsuya_Takasu
>anichil.com/archives/1075223768.html

I saw a ton of these when I was in sweden, are they common in places other than the US?

>Java
i'm sure he'll have heard f fucking java or flash for example

>t. armchair fire expert

Have weapons ever saved more lives than they took away? You are not better than a criminal

How the fire spread

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absolutely based

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>le anime is mainstream bullshit
no

>because the design of the building was absolute garbage, if they had one emergency exit in each floor like real first world countries (and even 3rd have) this wouldn't have happened, people don't die in an instant
The building design was garbage but some of those people were fucked no matter what. They were doused in gasoline and then got set on fire, not to mention the entire first floor being on fire as well

>are they common in places other than the US?

I've never seen one in the US. In most cases we use panic bars.

This surgeon is rolling in money and spends his time spewing controversial/nationalistic shit because it brings him publicity. He also has multiple mistresses (which is normal) and spends his money on crazy things that he further brags about. This is just another publicity stunt for him.

The whole reason this ordeal has happened is because this fat fuck was a bit too occupied with the studio which he deemed his bully.

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Wait i just realized alot of there anime had pedophilia or pedophilic tendencies because of there loli shit

Fucking this. Reposts say the bastard poured it directly onto some people.

Oh man imagine being this deluded, im sorry user but you are not special neither Anime is secret club anymore

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Early reports were kinda confused. He walked in, dumped it ASAP, dropped a lit lighter into it, set himself on fire since he was covered in fumes, ran out, and then collapsed.

The fatass was caught he was also revealed to be autistic and he liked trains

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nice, the guy is also a holocaust denier and nazi sympathizer.

he's probably doing this for his own hubris, but as long as people get the help they need, i guess there's nothing to complain about.

>This is just another publicity stunt
I don't think the victims would care as long as he follows up on his promise

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it's not the first time he offered free cosmetic repair surgeries for disaster victims. so i think he's probably for real.

>some of those people were fucked no matter what. They were doused in gasoline and then got set on fire.
Well yes you are right but i at least think that if there were better safety standards at least some couple more of people could have been saved, although ironic enough i think i've read that the people that survived were in the first floor

Yeah the two first floor guys were fucked. But others not so much with better fire codes. With US level regulations on fire resistant exit routes, the fire wouldn't have been able to penetrate the central stairwell for at least a few minutes to up 2 hours depending on the rating of the fire doors.

The building didnt have any sprinklers

The autist who burned the building liked to go on 2chan

You can complain about him, but the act itself better be legit and not just a "pledge" that he never delivers.

>Water on a fucking GASOLINE fire
Retarded child, go outside instead of being in your home all days.

The point is it didn't have sprinklers

Reminder that you pass out from carbon monoxide pretty fast but it takes a few minutes to actually die from it, which makes it not surprising that it isn't the cause of death for most victims. Most of those people were not conscious by the time they were burning to death.

Only the first floor lobby was a gasoline fire. Everything else was a class A fire which sprinklers are effective against. Stop applying kitchen safety tips to structural fires.

Ever heard of the saying fight fire with fire.

He did deliver on previous pledges, like treating people after the Hanshin and Tohoku earthquake/tsunamis
Also donates a lot of money to charities like education for kids in Tibet, Taiwan flood victims, etc. I think he can be forgiven for staying stupid shit once in a while

regardless of the validity of your claim. I chose to believe you. cause I simply could bare the thought of them dying like that.

>GASOLINE fire
Not trying to attack, like unironically asking, if i start a fire with gasoline but then that fire spreads and consumes mostly wood and paper (which was the entire building) is it still gasoline fire?

So nips firefighters didn't use water? what did they use?

[This is a repost]
I'll try to summarize: Train-obsessed photographer on 2ch's train board makes up the word "barisaku" for a specific way to get the lighting just right when photographing trains, and keeps spamming that phrase on 2ch so much he ends up getting nicknamed Barisaku-kun.

Then KyoAni makes an anime about people who play in an orchestra ("Sound! Eufonium") where they use the word "barisaku" as a short for "bariton sakusofon" (baritone saxophone), and he thinks they stole his word that he was so proud of.
What really broke the camel's back was when KyoAni collaborated with the Kyoto public transportation authorities to decorate a train with anime characters from Sound! Eufonium.
From then on he went to 2ch's/5ch's anime board every single day to shitpost about how KyoAni ruined his life.
But the threads suddenly stopped yesterday.
The arsonist was overheard by witnesses as shouting "They ripped me off!" over and over again.

>Everything else was a class A fire
No, everything else was fucking smoke.

>Because they're retarded. Can't wait for Kyoani to come back stronger than ever.
KyoAni is dead user. More than half their talent is dead, or crippled for life.

What the fuck
You're telling me this murderer was a butthurt railway otaku? Unbelievable

>summarize
>no sources attached
The usual rumor-flinging, yawn.

Its a Yea Forums post i copied

>We need to start another gofundme to bribe the prison guard to make the arsonist's life a living hell everyday until he's finally hanged.
Go hang yourself, you sadistic faggot.

We've known that this is fake news for days now.

Lmao it's fucking Yea Forums, what do you expect? I don't understand how you can stand to browse this website if you can't tune out people trying to be edgelords

We'll I'll never do that again

>The murderer could just have well have committed a mass shooting.
You're American, aren't you?

>durrr durr i can't hold breath for 20 seconds until i reach an exit

in case of a fire just crouch (because being stand is worse) put a t shirt in your mouth and gtfo there

so what if i am?

40 liters is enough to dose the first floor with gasoline and fill the whole building with blinding smoke, by the time the fire reach 2nd floor everyone already die by breathing carbon.
Dry Chemical Extinguisher work if you encounter gasoline fire

Dumbass

Mass shootings really aren't a thing in any other country besides America, and it's especially difficult to get a gun in Japan.

I think YAKUZA is not involved in this case.
There are many other criminal organizations in Japan.
Unlike YAKUZA, those criminal organizations do not have the mind of JINGI.
YAKUZA's JINGI is a sense that respects morality, although it is slightly different from the way of thinking that is given in Confucianism.
YAKUZA is an organization of the dark society, but respects morals and thinks about protecting the weak from the violence of the strong.
If there is an organization behind who controlled the criminals of this case, it would be an organization that has fought with YAKUZA since WWII.
In Japan after the end of WWII, there were times when YAKUZA and the police cooperated and fought against that organization.
This is also an official record.

They didn't have BASIC training for emergencies either, some even tried to go back and help others, dying in the process.

Every fucking time

>YAKUZA's JINGI
>current year
This isn't the 80s anymore grandpa
Yakuza nowadays are diminished in number and the few that are left are half Korean, they're also less moralistic and more vicious

>there were times when YAKUZA and the police cooperated and fought against that organization.

what organization that YAKUZA and the police have been facing against since WW2.

Yakuza is dead grandpa, get with the time.

Not him but I imagine he's referring to foreign criminal groups like Chinese/Taiwanese triad, Nigerians, flips

This. Assuming it actually is Yakuza working with Kadokawa in their recent suspicious activities they've dropped their morals and are willing to erase simple artists or authors for no fucking reason

>hurr durr why can't people see through PITCH BLACK fucking smoke that burns their eyes
>hurr durr why don't they run through METERS OF SEARING FLAMES whilst stepping in FLAMMABLE LIQUID and guaranteeing that they'll be lit ablaze

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>giving it a reply

>No security
>Shitty building design
>No fire exits
>Place filled with weak innocent loving people that only knew how to draw and make others happy
Luckiest day on the life of that psycho

Haven't been on Yea Forums for a while but have you all seen the footage of the arsonist getting ready for the day?

It's kind of eerie watching it unravel.

youtube.com/watch?v=lNp2cAL_Z94
youtube.com/watch?v=xRECqLNu8ng

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I'd only seen it in lower quality, fucking hell.

The Triad, I thought they were cool with Yakuza that ended everything. If there's possible ties with the fire then the Japanese government will push scorched earth again on the Yakuza even on the anime industry.

When I visited Kyoto my friend who was showing me around said the city makes a point of leaving old outdated buildings around because they're proud of their history and status as the ancient capital, even the public restrooms in some parks only had those primitive toilets where you have to crouch to take a shit

So I guess the building having a shit design and few exits isn't exactly surprising, tragic as it is

> see through PITCH BLACK fucking smoke
You don't need to when you have an emergency exit near and you know it's location, because you know, you work there and see it everyday.

>run through METERS OF SEARING FLAMES whilst stepping in FLAMMABLE LIQUID
Hey, tell that to the owner who didn't put more exits, there was only smoke in 2&3 floor, but yeah since they didn't have any alternative exits they only exit was covered in flames

Have you ever noticed how in real countries even tiny office buildings will have FIRE ESCAPES either on the side of the building or built into the building? This is what happens when there is a FIRE in a building with no FIRE ESCAPES. I don't know what's difficult to understand.

>They could not have reasonably prepared for a disaster like this

Yes they could have, through strict enforcement of reasonable fire regulations.

>The murderer could just have well have committed a mass shooting.

Well he fucking didn't, he lit a fucking fire. I don't want to hear any "BUT IT WAS LE EPIC EXPLOSION" shit either. It was a fire that spread faster than a normal fire. That's still a fire. It should have only killed the people on the floor it was lit on. Real countries have building codes that prevent fires from rapidly spreading from floor to floor, or affecting floors other than the one they are on.

>Would people be complaining about the studio not having shit like bulletproof glass for windows in that case?

No, because that would be ridiculous outside of a war zone or American ghetto. Basic fire safety is not ridiculous. I don't know what your motivation is to pretend otherwise.

>Kyoani's fire protection measures were deemed sufficient.

They were deemed sufficient by corrupt or idiotic officials who did not do their jobs properly and should be looking at jail time for this disaster and the horrific deaths which are on their hands.

Memes aside I very much doubt the yakuza had anything to do with the fire, there is zero merit for them. Ditto for the theory they're paid by Kadokawa. They are too busy trying to adapt to the zero tolerance campaign and turning to cybercrime

As for their relationship with the triad, truces can be called off any time as they are competing rivals. If things are cool part of it might be the yakuza no longer having enough people/resources to get away with antagonizing them, even the biggest gang (Yamaguchi-gumi) keeps splitting into smaller factions bickering with each other

>tfw many of the survivors will have burn injuries to their feet because japanese offices/homes have you take off your shoes.

>NO NEW IP
Fuck off.

>When I visited Kyoto my friend who was showing me around said the city makes a point of leaving old outdated buildings around because they're proud of their history and status as the ancient capital,

Every city that isn't a complete shithole does that. It's not an excuse to fail to update for modern fire safety standards.

>watch the entire video
So it was the jews then, eh?

Some offices allow you to keep shoes on or give you slippers at the entrance
But yeah point still stands

>1,80cm
That is a big guy for Japs standarts

>They are too busy trying to adapt to the zero tolerance campaign

For what are they trying to be white knights for Japan.

This shit is the strongest argument for no gun control I've ever seen. You have to be insane if you STILL think gun control is needed.

What
The zero tolerance campaign is about the community shunning yakuza from every facet of society, most public bath houses won't allow them in (or anyone else with a tattoo) for one thing. This means fewer young blood and thinning ranks as the old guys pull the fuck out

kill yourself disgusting amerik*n

Someone already posted that bait 6 hours ago

You mean dirty Zainichi Korean cockroaches and "tourists" that try to set Japanese temples on fire every year.

You have to go back

It's not bait. The fact that so many sane people agree with me just further proves how important it is for everyone to get guns.

It had many valid exits, even aside from the MULTIPLE doors on ground level. There are two balconies and numerous second floor windows, some of which had shit under them to make the fall easy peesy. The 3rd story has a ledge under the windows. It would let people shimmy along the outside wall to one of 2 drainage pipes on the side of the building, then climb down.

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>This isn't the 80s anymore grandpa
>Yakuza nowadays are diminished in number and the few that are left are half Korean, they're also less moralistic and more vicious

Yes,Half of YAKUZA are Korean.
However, even now, YAKUZA, which values old-fashioned morality, exists.
The organization that hates Japan while living in Japan is the most evil.

Anyone agreeing with you is not sane.

I still can't stop laughing, they got what they deserved for ruining anime with moeshit.

Oh yeah, can't forget the Koreans. Though a lot of yakuza are zainichi Koreans too

t. jashin

I can't believe there's people who think being able to protect yourself and your family is a bad thing, holy shit, how do these people rationalize it?

>no fire
>hurr let's just spray some water anyway
Why are Anglos so fucking retarded?

>trying too hard to fit in post 10289

I dont know but you got to think before you spit bullshit out of your fucking prostate

Ever heard of hook worms? America used to have that.

We were taught to wear shoes because hookworm wasn't almost completely eliminated until 1980.

Hookworm was prevalent in soil and re-infection was easy, bare feet and ankles outside were at risk from hookworm infection.

Now when someone asks where did wearing shoes indoors come from, you can tell them it was because of Hookworms, a global menance more widespread than today.

People used to think twice of running bare feet outside when hookworm was more prevalent.

How do you dumbasses think we stop wildfires?

Where's the fire? I only see a run down building, not great, not too bad.

This would've never happened if he had sex, blame all the roasties that have rejected him his entire life.

What the fuck does that have anything to do with fire

So how come nobody opened the door to the roof and escaped by jumping off of the building? Why did they all get to the 3rd floor and then not open the door to escape?

Door was stuck.

NRA are anti-gun commies. Fuck them.

>what organization that YAKUZA and the police have been facing against since WW2.

People on the Korean peninsula organized in Japan and repeated violent crimes in Japan.
The Japanese police and YAKUZA were fighting against such criminal organizations, with the help of the GHQ of that time and the military police of the US Army.
However, those organizations still have huge power in Japan.

That's just something shareblue agents say to divide gun culture.

Those 2 posts were about wearing shoes indoors and how Japanese prefer leaving your outside shoes at the doorstep and wearing indoor slippers, instead.

I then discussed how this wearing shoes indoors phenomenon came from and it had to do with Parasitic Worms living in soil.

So your explaining the history of why the japs use no shoes indoors but shoes outdoors

Will you morbid retards stop arguing how fast or long did they suffer?! on top of the fucking crime done to them here you fucking are discussing the ways they died and how much agony they were in
I hope you retards go out like that too

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Its been like that for a while

Welcome to Yea Forums enjoy your stay

>Yakuza is dead grandpa, get with the time.

No, real yakuzas are still fighting.
The problem is that high-ranking police officers and politicians appear to be kept by the enemy.

What do I need to protect myself or my hypothetical family from? I've lived some decades without anything happening to me that guns could have prevented.

Dying from smoke and bodies piling up. Opening probably would have blasted them with more smoke anyways

>MUH board culture
Kill Yourself

Why did he destroy his laptop

>real yakuzas are still fighting
Yeah, fighting each other

Hey I didn't say it's a good thing. That's just how Yea Forums and the rest of this site is. Morbid

The kyoani drones and their mental gymnastics trying desperately to defend the studio

Dozens of 5 foot tall panicking nips aren't going to parkour their way out of a burning building in an orderly fashion.

based

also this but it's not kyoanifags but weebfags

>it hasn't happened to me yet so it'll never happen to anybody
That's how I know you have no argument. You people always end up with your anecdotal argument when you've exhausted any logical point.

Oh, I have plenty of arguments. You're the one who brought up "protect yourself".

33 perished, right? How many did the building have in total before the fire started? Maybe a hundred got out in time.

What's there to defend? Or do you think the murders were a good thing?

>The fucking criminal poured massive amounts flammable liquid directly underneath it.

I still don't get if the first floor Japs were literally just staring at this guy while he takes several seconds to:

1) Pick up and empty canisters of gas under a stairwell

2) frantically search for a lighter

Like, aye makoto-kun maybe we should do something?

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>I still don't get if the first floor Japs were literally just staring at this guy while he takes several seconds to
They were probably busy at their desks, drawing and stuff, with headphones maybe to block out noise or listen to music while working

explain this Yea Forums

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The guy obviously studied the layout of the building to bring maximum pain. If there was no spiral staircase he would have just done something different.

>criminal guy with severe mental issues? Just let the guy walk free, what could possibly happen?
The healthcare and the government is to blame for this.

this is what happens when you fail to hire a single chad in your office.

How can you know so little of what transpired yet say this shit with such confidence?
It was literally a bucket. Shit wouldn't take "several seconds" to splash out

A fucking bucket? A single bucket?

Well then, never mind. Fire would spread to quickly for anyone to react. Got it.

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It's 40 litres of gasoline, you can't even carry that shit around. It would take at least 10 to 15 minutes to dump the whole thing. I mean some one can do something. Unless it's just a bunch of cucks who just stand there and let people burn you to a crisp.

Shit happened in the span of 60 seconds yet you think it took half an hour?
Are you willfully being retarded?

He didn't use all 40L in the attack. Just one full bucket.

ok armchair fire experts
explain this?

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It's an office building with people coming and going. As long as he doesn't do anything mega suspicious while someone's actually there watching, it's never going to be realistic for "someone" to "do something".

Just one bucket? How far can you spray a full bucket with walls and obstacle in your way? Maybe some people got caught. Let's say 10 from the ignition. Still doesn't account for the casualties suffered.

The main entrance to the building has a sliding door inside the genkan. The sliding door was most likely closed. this gave him the oppertunity to fill the buckets with gas before opening the door to scream "You Die!" dump the gas and light it.

you expect a bunch of virgin autists on Yea Forums to be intelligent enough to understand what happened

they unironically in their minds are playing hero and believe they would have stopped the bad guy or been able to escape the fire

All you need to do is to pour it on the floor. When you ignite it, it will literally explode and engulf shit in flames.

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most of the casualties were the top 2 floors

>Scale model
>Not scale fire
For real?

Lol the United States would never in a million years allow Japan citizens to be armed.

The U.S. is too busy trying to disarm its own citizens. Fuck libs and fuck the ATF

The US has been trying to arm Japan for the last 60 years. It's the Japanese who don't want to be armed.

LOL exactly this what the fuck, they poured gasoline in an small model? kek

JAPAN IS FIRST WORLD

retarded weeb

This. It would explain why the fat fuck suffered burn injuries himself. Probably thought it would be a slow burn and got caught in the fireball himself.

Are you really going to use a miniature model made of aluminum foil from a TV show program to justify the a preventable or a the very least preventable tragedy? How about you start using real thermal dynamic and material science with computer simulation to conduct a proper investigation regarding this matter.

psychopath

Don't try to argue with deluded individuals who would suck and swallow Japanese cum

What's your IQ? Just curious.

Wow, learned so much
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Station_nightclub_fire

>He thinks IQ is an actual measure for intelligence
Please sit down son you are only embarrassing yourself

I'm sure yours is at least 140+? You should use your knowledge and become a fire and safety inspector in Japan.

The building had a second stair shaft. what more do you want?

Certainly higher than yours. Instead of arguing over solutions for the preventable, you choose to be a low self respect individual and turn the topic to compare IQ, as if that would make you seem superior to your opposition.

Meanwhile, the bosses who made this happen made money on it and got off free while the workers got jack shit. Murrica is a land of one step forward two steps back

What is certainly higher? I'm curious.

This isn't a movie fucking retard, you don't just slowly walk around pouring it into every nook and cranny. Just splash, light, and shit's over

>I'm sure yours is at least 140+?
oh my Christ just stop and stop taking IQ measures seriously

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That's my point, someone is too stupid to understand and need to ask questions. Quite unfortunate.

Was it a bucket bucket? I can't really get the 1 bucket and 40 litres to mesh.
Also surprised that people didn't smell it the instant he walked in.

73 total people
33 died on site
1 died at the hospital
35 more injured (9 seriously)
All but 4 people were hurt in some fashion.

that just means nip fire code sucks ass.

and then the guy instantly set it on fire

What a coincidence he attacked when the door was unlocked. did kyoani have dirt on the government? Is that why no one helped?

He'd still need to pick it up from his trolley and throw it in there.

Anime is driving down the birthrate. Now people who like anime are being scolded for being weirdo would-be arsonists.

>Anime is driving down the birthrate. Now people who like anime are being scolded for being weirdo would-be arsonists.
And that's unironically a good thing. If japan doesn't improve their birth rate asap they'll become Sweden 2.0.

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They had no fucking proper fire exit you retard. It was acceptable for japanese standards but those standards are shithouse

If they had one of these they would still be alive

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Japan is already Sweden 2.0.

Not a multistory building. 0/10 try again.

Americans are dumb.

Only person here who isn't retarded ^^^

How do you open those? From memory, the only fire exit I've tried/used is normally locked.

Crash bar. You literally just push the bar and it opens.
Designed specifically to avoid the human crush risk you'd get with other handle types.

You push the bar down

You push the bar and it opens. Some low traffic areas are allowed to make it so that it opens after a few seconds.

They needed fire doors on the stair wells to keep smoke out. The fire exit alone wouldn't have helped.

Otakuism is not a cause of low birthrates, otakuism and low birthrates are both symptoms of the same societal problems.

>clearing path to safety with FEs wouldnt work
Retard
someones mad :^)

That low exit sign is there to be compliant with International Fire Codes for Group R-1 occupancy. The fire door seen here would also be rated to hold back fire and smoke for at least 1 hour. The stairwell itself is a fire-resistant and smoke-resistant compartment that can be used for evacuation or shelter in place.

Whenever you walk past one of these exits in a hotel, just remember that people probably died to make these a requirement.

Its an old fucking building. Of course old building don't have modern fire safety standers. Who said this?

It’s KyoAnis fault for stealing his work and passing it off as their own

It's the fault of both sides, to be honest.

Anybody know why Adobe Inc. donated 50,000 dollars to the charity?

I wonder if his novels have actually been published before.

Kyoani was an inside job

Because KyoAni animators used Adobe Animate, perhaps?

Let's see
>KyoAni was formed in 1981
>The perpetrator is in his early forties
Maybe he actually worked there when he was in his twenties before getting fired, which eventually led to his mental illness.

I get you user. Accidental fires are taken care of by this fire protection thing. A person can easily evade fire protection. This was not accident so you should ignore idiots that don't get it.

>literal retard with a criminal history proclaims something after committing mass murder
>has no proof to back it up
>"he must be telling the truth"

yikes

Probably not. News reports would have mentioned it if he had any published works.

Again, probably not, reports would have mentioned if he was a former employee of the place he burned down.

Sweet sweet victory

By stole Munto from him, what he did was justified. Since they violated the NAP by stealing his IP all actions resulting from that are their responsibility.

I’m not happy people died, but individuals should be allowed to protect their property in any way they can. What he did was justified.

Crispy victory. Well done.

because burgers are stupid

You’re kidding right? The United States were the ones that disarmed them in the first place.

I hate it when people call shit a terror attack when it had nothing to do with terror. Did the man have connections to a terror group? Did he have a political agenda? From what I heard he had mental problems and it was just a revenge thing, absolutely no terrorism involved, good old fashioned arson.

>source: dude trust me!

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Any quickly realized it was a mistake when they needed a buffer against communism. It's the same reason why we spend so much money arming Israel.

Tbh it was just a dude protecting what was rightfully his. They stole his work, the fault lies with them as does the responsibility for ANY (fire included) actions he takes to protect his creation.

One of the happiest, freest and wealthiest comfortable countries in the world?

I read that the gasoline literally exploded when he threw it.

Oh they will allow Japan to be armed soon, China is rising whether they like it or not and if the US still wants to be a huge influence in Asia then they better build up the allies that they have there or else China will take over.

It's called domestic terrorism.

>Did the man have connections to a terror group?
We don't know yet. Also you don't need to be part of a terror group to commit an act of terrorism.

>source: my ass
0/10 you subhuman.

I know it's retarded but I keep wishing I could go back in time and prevent it

He could have still found a way to attack KyoAni. What if he had drove a car into the building? What if he had thrown a petrol bomb through the window?

It exploded dumbass- the black smoke and CO was propelled to the upper floors from the very beginning and it's for that reason nobody made it to the roof door conscious
2 sandniggers in Texas were shot and killed by a security guard armed with a pistol while they each had AK's
0 human deaths

>"Lets stop mass killings by giving everyone a tool that makes killing easier."

Not that user but he's not exactly kidding. Abe has been aiming for remilitarization for a while with increased military expenditures (the Izumo totally-not-but-could-be-with-VTOL-Aircraft Carrier being one such acquisition) and so far none of Japan's allies have raised a stink about it. As far as they're concerned it would be a benefit to have another friendly nation contributing combat ready equipment and manpower if necessary.

>Article 9 of the 1947 US-imposed Japanese Constitution outlaws war as a means to settle international disputes involving the state. In its text, the state formally renounces the sovereign right of belligerency and aims for international peace based on justice and order.

>In its own interpretation, the legislation put forward by the Abe administration this spring mostly deals with provisions about how Japan's Self-Defense Forces (SDF) can legally support the US in certain situations.

>Opposition to the current legislation is echoed in some popular opinion polls that show about 80 percent of the Japanese public feels ill-informed on the issue, with opinion roughly divided pro and con.

>The creation of the SDF 60+ years ago and something like US $1 trillion spent on defense in the past 25 years mean that Article 9 has been violated. Thus saying that the new bills are unconstitutional is like accusing a man who shoots a cadaver that's been dead for decades of murder," he said.

>"Now, even if there is no direct attack on Japan, Japanese leaders can more readily mobilize the JSDF to meet US expectations for military support."

In short. Japan's allies are all for it.
Japan's citizens, not so much. This wouldn't necessarily mean a gun in every citizen's hands, though. Just a change in how they approach and define "self defense".

That's just a regular open stair.

I have never seen this. We only use panic bars. No thinking just pushing.

Same here. Been thinking about this a lot. I feel like i just cannot accept the world i currently live in. I still can't comprehend a world without the lost Kyoani employees.

And don't live in council houses.

>the only fire exit I've tried/used is normally locked

Maybe from the outside.

Islam will save Japan.

> Whenever you walk past one of these exits in a hotel, just remember that people probably died to make these a requirement.

That is pretty much all regulation ever. The companies that it would affect usually fight tooth and nail to prevent them because it cuts into their profits.

Sounds pretty generous of them.

Have you ever heard of a mass shooting occurring at a gun range?
At a gun-free zone?
I wonder what the difference might be

I have never used a fire escape exit door because I heard if you just slightly push it, a fire alarm rings out and like who the fuck wants to cause the fire alarm to start ringing just because you never ever got a chance to use a fire exit door in your entire life?

It's like a Do Not Touch Button was introduced right in front of your face and you know bad things will happen if you push the button but like you just want to know what happens if you push the button.

Japan's Constitution technically prevents Japan from creating a defense industry, somewhat.

You know all of Japan's auto companies. Some of them originally never made cars. They made fighter planes instead and due to the Constitution, they had to enter other markets like cars.

This is why Japan can't compete with America or Europe when it comes to selling defense equipment and Japan is forced to buy American military equipment instead.

We all would like to see Toyota Tanks or Toyota Military Jeeps being sold to America.

I would love to see Toyota creating tanks. Maybe tanks would finally have some innovation.

Basically. The companies (and libertarians and similar types) bitch about it all being pointless red tape once it's enacted, but whenever any of it is removed, it's only a matter of time before someone's either killed or seriously ill or something as a result.

Mass shootings don't exist in countries where gun ownership is controlled.

>Amerimutts

Yes, it does. Take a look at New Zealand.

Paris.

An example of not enough gun control.

Sure those happened, but are serious rarities. And the reason they're rare is not people having guns.

Hmm, a lot of wilful retardation here

No amount of gun control can stop a nasty island angloid from chimping out

Roof is not locked retard

True. However if there are obstacles in their way to get a gun they might chimpout without one or might not chimpout at all.

Anglos always chimp out. Always. No way to stop them once they get riled up

>Australia has really tight gun laws
>Somehow this didn't transition into New Zealand of all places

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Well I mean it is its own country and doesn't have to follow Australia's lead in everything, but it does still puzzle me why they didn't tighten up their gun laws after Port Arthur.