Was this the deepest anime of our generation?

>oh guess what your other half was god all along and everything went according to his plan to kill himself so that you could become the invisible god behind the scenes and then you can eventually send your other half out into the world to learn that you're god all along and then prepare him to take your place when you're ready to die

Yeah, No.

RAISON D'ETRE

bakemonogatari

is she the most underrated girl of our generation?

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Shiki is deeper.
human nature philosophy > god wanabe

It's just a bad rip-off of Konaka shows

What a piss easy quiz.

The instant an anime starts talking about God or references any irl religion, I immediately drop it. It's just such a half-assed way to attempt to appear deep that it ends up being incredibly cringey.

Why was that episode where they’re stranded in a desert or some shit the only great episode in this show. The ending and how everything in the city turns to shit and the whole real being a god shit was absolutely terrible

what

If you are a teenager, yes

Imagine being this insecure

Insecure about what?

it was a fucking terrible series with some cool ideas. mc was a faggot for 90% of the plot. tsundere was tsundere. daedalus' endgame felt like a stupid asspull, how could he shit on raul when the only thing he was after was a waifu. the last three episodes were undeniably interesting, and almost saved it but, it wasn't enough.

I found it pretentious when I was a teen but I'm grateful that it introduced me to Radiohead. Maybe I would like it more if I watched it now as an adult.

the second watch is always better since the plot moves at such a snail's pace.

should've been an ova

Awful show, deepfags and people who think "psychological" is a genre (pseuds) think its good though.

I wish more creators were given blank checks to produce whatever the fuck they wanted so we could get more shit like this.

It had a really cool atmosphere and was, well, unique.
Even if it wasn't the best or deepest anime, it was worth watching for sure.

You're confusing "depth" with actual quality--they can be connected but absolutely are not directly correlated. Madoka (first replier) has a relatively simple narrative that is masterfully executed. Ergo Proxy is deliberately obtuse.

I appreciate the effort but the show just isn’t good. It’s artistically dry and the thenes are a mess. Just a very dull clusterfuck overall.

Damn, I had no idea this autist was still around.

Ironically enough, Netflix partnerships are the closest deal to a "blank check". Problem is, when directors are given that kind of freedom, they end up creating a convoluted mess. See: last year's 'B: The Beginning, Sirius The Jaeger and IDO.

step aside child

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PLEASE COULD YOU STOP THE NOISE
IM TRYING TO GET SOME REST

Best things about it are come and save me and the art and character deisgin everything else is meh

but OP, that's not Limit Cycle
youtube.com/watch?v=aSVFVZ-CTCI

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Your intelligence

OP said deepest, not most pretentious.

Amy Lee, please. Get out of Yea Forums and take your teenager newfags with you.

Anime that attempt to talk about religion are guaranteed to be pretentious. It's why I drop them.

Imagine being so retarded that you can't understand Ergo Proxy. Low iq brainlets belong on Yea Forums, fuck off.

haha what garbage

I know this is bait, but Ergo Proxy is so """deep""" this might unironically be a valid comparison

Only the first 3 episodes were good

yeah they got it deep, very deep, and the deepest

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Can anyone tell me why is this deep? Does the author use the story to present some interesting and unique thoughts? Is the narrative so complex it requires a very thorough analysis? It definitely doesn't tick any of these boxes for me. Instead, it feels somewhat pretentious with its name dropping and constant repetition of phrases like "raison d'etre". The atmosphere is great, but that's about it.

unironically Bleach

imagine

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Madoka was trash, what are you talking about.

Ergo Proxy is quite literally the most pretentious TV anime ever made

I don't know what was the point of the reality show episode. It feels like they couldn't come up with a way to include exposition into the story itself. Interesting idea, but it feels really gimmicky and dumb.

It's pretty different. EP was producedproduce for a private channel, there was no need to compromise to make sponsors or the audience happy. In one interview the writer expressed the opinion they almost had too much freedom.
On the other hand Netflix needs to appeal to it's public, which is the west so it just puts out garbage. See SS for the most recent example.

no it's pretty up front about things though it kinda slow bleeds it out for you so you don't totally get it until the end

Melody of Oblivion is probably it if anything.

Dude was just having a good time making anime. He wasn't trying to achieve something big and pretentious with his experiment, it was just his baby and the experiment itself was something to be enjoyed beyond the sort of vague message about self actualization and confronting society which was more of a backdrop and a canvas for the comfy ride.

Naoki Urasawa is the 2deep4u boy and if you wanna watch some shows that were experimenting towards some greater vision or ambition you should try Samurai Flamenco, Tatami Galaxy, Kemonozume, Melody of Oblivion, Katanagatari, and I guess Casshern Sins.

If you want to watch an anime that's actually a bunch of pretentious ironic horseshit try SZS or Haruhi

Ripoff of Bokurano and Sailor Moon that actually has nothing to contribute which they didn't already do better.

This is actually not the wrong answer, Kubo deconstructed shounen and it's actual audience themselves.

>pret*ntious
need to have at least a few iq points above 100 to use that word

I loved the setting but the final episodes felt really rushed to me.
> deepest
> not shinsekai yori
> not boogiebop phantom
> not shiki

>our generation
You're a 46 year old neckbeard virgin too?

BPP is literally just ayy lmaos and muh teen angst
so it's like FLCL that's not fun or funny but the original had some great aesthetic moments and music

Shinsekai Yori is just some really fucking wild worldbuilding and science fiction horror about psionics but it's not terribly deep or meaningful in it's messages about the abuse of power

nobody has even heard of shiki because it's so boring

It certainly seems this way, but if he didn't want to seem pretentious, maybe he should have included a bit less of name-dropping and the like. Just for the record, I liked Ergo Proxy, but I believe it does the show a great disservice when people pretend it's deep. The show has many strong points, and being "deep" definitely isn't one of them. It's like they praise the show for one of its greatest weaknesses. And when they present this weakness for everyone to see, it goes without saying that people will attack it.

Thanks for the recs, I've already seen many of those, but you reminded me I wanted to try Casshern Sins, it has been on my backlog for quite some time. I will also mention ABe + Konaka trilogy (Texhnolyze, Haibane Renmei, Serial Experiments Lain) as one of the most narratively challenging and complex works I've ever seen. Especially Texhnolyze is a prototype of what I would consider actually deep.

WAKE ME UP

>kemonozume
>2deep4u
did we watch the same series?
also tatami galaxy is just about a shy dude, nothing deep about that. I think you have problems

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I've only ever seen people bashing on people considering EP deep rather than people doing the latter.

Didn't watch Kemonozume, but I agree with you on Tatami Galaxy. It's a very original take on the quarter life crisis, with stunning visuals and a very interesting way of telling the story, but it doesn't really present anything deep and revolutionary in the end. Still, it's somewhat relatable and definitely worth a watch.

lrn2read buddy, I said it was experimental not 2deep

Tatami Galaxy is also pretty unusual in it's progression and story structure

if you want 2deep lmao what does it really mean try idk Angel Egg which means whatever you want it to, or Melody of Oblivion which I adore, or Bokurano, Narutaru, Noein which put me to sleep, Lain, Mind Game, Texhnolyze, all the dumb shit by that Utena guy, some other shit I'm sure I'll only remember after I post this

man why not name drop books you like and have characters in your stories who read books

that people get triggered when they hear about shit they haven't read is so dumb really

you used the two words in the same sentence you absolute nigger

in this case the conjunction "and" is used to connect two separate statements relating to the contrasted concepts brought up earlier in the conversation

I assume you only thought "experimental" and "deep" were the same thing because english is your second language and you don't really understand how to talk about art criticism or the creative process

Well, to me, it feels like a cheap way to make the show seem sophisticated. Often, the author doesn't do anything with these references. They are mentioned only for the sake of being mentioned, but the author doesn't expand on any of the philosophies. It doesn't necessarily have to be the author's intention to be pretentious, but I simply can't shake off the feeling no matter what I do.
There is a way to do this without seeming pretentious. You don't mention the names, instead you try to weave the various philosophies and schools of thought into the story itself. People who are familiar with them will recognize them and it will give them more insight into the story. It's also much more rewarding to figure things on your own, rather than being spoonfed.

>Well, to me, it feels like a cheap way to make the show seem sophisticated
because you don't read books as part of your everyday life and it makes you feel insecure dumbass, you just can't handle things that are different and you're contriving all this dumb shit to explain away how you're just not cool with something and won't chill out and enjoy the ride

dude put that shit in for no other reason than it's what he himself is interested in

How about you read my whole post. I'm saying I prefer if it's not mentioned and instead I figure out which books the author is referencing on my own. I also prefer when the author does something and presents his own opinion on the books, instead of just mentioning them for no reason. How does that equate to not reading books?

>I prefer not being triggered
but it's not about you you fuckin child

Of course it's about me, I'm the consumer. Why present the work to public at all if it's only for the author's own sake.

and that's why you can't get consent for sex

>of course it's about me, I'm the consumer

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>Of course it's about me, I'm the consumer
Jesus fucking christ....

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Thank you, a very nice argument. The fact remains that the work is aimed at people, and they have the right to criticize it. It's about me and I have every right to critically examine it, it's also about you, and you can do the same. Being someone who just blindly eats up everything people throw at him isn't something you should be proud of.

you picked an extremely petty complaint like book references. and then you gloat that it's not about anyone but you. and then you blame people for eating everything up.

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>and then you gloat that it's not about anyone but you
I do no such thing. I believe mentioning books for the sake of mentioning books is objectively bad writing that doesn't add anything to the work itself. In contrast, weaving the content of the books and working with their various philosophies while adding your own thoughts is something that requires skill and definitely adds to the work.
We are talking about art, so of course, it will only remain my personal opinion. I'm not arrogant enough to claim it's the universal truth, this might have confused you and made you think this.

now you back off to a more reasonable opinion when just 50 minutes ago you were
>Of course it's about me, I'm the consumer
faggot

I watched this when I was an awkward teen. What's the main point again?
I only recall the "self conscious robot lmao" aspect of it

Because I, as a consumer can have my own opinion. It's about me and it's also about everyone else. I never changed my opinion, but perhaps I simply phrased it badly. I will have to leave the thread for now, but at least it seems you understand a bit better now.

hope you crash your car nigger

Most pretentious one at least, it's pretentiousness matches Kara no Kyoukai's first movie which was a whole bunch of nothing happening and people acting all deep.

But seriously Ergo Proxy is fucking Ergo BORING

Absolutely seething.

every anime needs a token cute non lewd loli character

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Unironically this

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>Madoka was trash
Fuck you

Madoka was only good because it was subversive, it's mindblowing if you're already accustomed to the genre but if you're not into that genre in the first place the fact that it's subversive and the self-commentary won't reach you and since there's not much to add on top of the subversive factor, it's not worth the watch if for anyone disliking the magical girl genre in the first place.

I remember watching the first episode and being pretty fucking confused but the again maybe I'm just retarded

God vs his creations, on multiple levels

the first, id say 8 episodes are extremely weak and slow, but after that it gets pretty interesting.