I don't dislike Jojo's MOTW format as much as I dislike it always being one character who saves the day. My major gripe with Part 3 was that 90% of the battles were won by Jotaro or Polnareff, while the rest of the cast was walking around somewhere else. Same situation in Part 4 with Josuke. I'm only on episode 19, but I really would like to see more of Okuyasu and the others.
For example, my favorite episode was the episode with the Ghost woman because you get to see more of the side cast.
Jotaro dies in part 6. Also hes the one who lands the biggest blow to kira in this part, which Im sure you'll hate.
Austin Gray
Part 5 and 6, actually.
Charles Hernandez
>Jotaro dies in part 6. Was there a need to say this man? lol
Oliver Ramirez
>I really would like to see more of Okuyasu and the others You should know right know, the only solo fight Okuyasu gets as a good guy is the one with RHCP, which he doesn't even win. He barely even gets to be useful, I think it happens twice.
Jacob Hall
JoJo part 1-6 are pretty good but part 7 and 8 are the only great ones.
I dropped part 4 because it character assassinates Joseph Joestar, never watching or reading that shit ever again, fuck Josuke and fuck everyone who likes him.
His brain is broken because he watches moeshit. How can you be expected to make even a single rational decision after that?
Jayden Jackson
>cheats on his wife >plays senile to avoid the wrath of his wife Seems pretty Joseph like
Wyatt Phillips
For all the shit that part 6 (rightfully) gets, I really like the way they use their abilities in the last fight. Jolyne ties everybody together with stone free, Emporio shoots his ghost gun, and hermes uses her abiltity on the bullet to send them flying. Meanwhile, diver down is inside everybody all at once, and sends the signal to Jotaro to za warudo. Pure kino.
Ryder Cox
No
Cameron Long
read part 8
Nolan Torres
Dumb 6hater
Caleb Perez
They're the main characters. Lol....
Andrew Green
Stop over-analyzing Anime. Just sit back and enjoy the ride faggot. And yes there's more of other characters after episode 19. Part 5 especially.
>Does this change at all? Yes. Part 5 and 6 and 8 focus on the main character, while also giving the side characters lots of time to shine with their own fights. Part 7 usually has fights between the two main characters and the enemy, but there are a couple fights with only the side characters involved.
Aiden Garcia
Even part 4 does a decent job of it. You get a decent amount of Josuke at the start, sure, but it's at least leading to some development and you get to see some people step up as it goes on. The latter part of the story also is about the characters banding together somewhat.
Part 3 syndrome does not last forever.
Dylan Collins
Okuyasu gets no wins in DIU. Sorry OP. Also Rohan battles it out with a kid in a game of rock, paper, scissors. Koichi outsmarts Kira. Kira almost gets killed by a cat-plant. Rohan has to get a monkey off his back. Kira gets outsmarted AGAIN by ANOTHER KID only this time the kid outsmarted his seemingly invincible stand. And by the end Jotaro gets to beat up Kira and the Ambulance gets the win by the end. Josuke only has like 3 or 4 wins in the entirety of DIU
Samuel Martin
>Tfw my boy Fugo gets a whopping ONE fight before he's written out of the plot
Jace Brown
8 is too all over the place to be "great," imo. The story jumps around a lot, even for Araki, and there are a couple story arcs that you could cut out entirely and lose nothing.
Kevin Brooks
it's too fucking weird even by jojo standards, especially the latest chapters where they're chasing an 89 year old man but can't seem to keep up
Christopher Lopez
Shit stand ability. Can't blame Araki here for giving up on Purple Haze and not doing another serum asspull .
Caleb Nguyen
>Okuyasu gets no wins in DIU. He does at least get to save the day in the Josuke vs Kira fight, and he did end up taking Red Hot Chili Pepper's user out
Reporting in. Normies are slowly making their way in to the Jojo series. They anime-onlyfags think parts 1-5 are too much for them to handle. They don't even KNOW what's in store for them when SBR gets it's time.
Its one of two moments where it builds Joshu to replace Jobin as future head of the family as Jobin will definitely die.
The other moment is when he stops a supposed murderer from laying her hands on Daiya with help from Hato and Norisuke being useless by doing nothing and then verbally sexually assaults and strips her but thats not important
Brody Hughes
Part 7 is the worst part in Jojo. It’s only really liked by Amerifats who have only read 3 manga because it takes place in O MY GLORIOUS COUNTRY.
Connor Bell
And how did you come to that conclusion fellar?
Joseph Watson
Seems like a shit argument for quality. Make some actual points.
Benjamin Brooks
Kys joseph fag
Leo Gray
Jojo fucking sucks. Underagies will learn eventually.
Camden Rogers
It's just the finishing blow tho You're saying that as if Josuke, Okuyasu and the others didn't fight Kira right before.
The Part 3 anime adaptation is fucking awful, everything is so drawn out, it's unreal, the pacing is completely fucked.
Connor Ross
Wow thanks for stating something everyone knows
Luis Thomas
kys animeshitter
Asher Long
Will they include fat Valentine at the start of the anime or will it just be Chad Valentine all the way through?
Michael Lewis
The adaptation won't survive past Stone Ocean
Aiden Sanchez
Honestly I can already see animecucks hating part 6's ending
Parker Lopez
>shit stand ability >can't blame Araki Or maybe he should think things through and not have absurdly OP abilities that only serve to write any scenario into a corner. 5 is full of that shit unfortunately.
Bentley Cook
But they're watching the end of Part 6, wouldn't it make more sense to have an image of Phantom Blood?
Justin Wright
It becomes the Rohan and Hayato power hour user hang in there
Isaiah Morales
Part 7 was just as bad as the other parts, don't delude yourself.
Fugo wasn't written out because of his stand, retards.
Landon Bennett
Yes actually. Part 6 has everyone fighting, there's no character I would say gets more screentime over anyone else, besides the Jojo of course.
Easton Turner
Kek Based
Ryder Nguyen
All the build up of Rohan's character arc only for him to """die""" like a bitch without doing anything against Kira was the most disappointing thing in part 4
Ayden Barnes
Why didn't Formaggio stay hidden and wait for Narancia to meet up with people if he suspected him of knowing something?
There was no need for him to reveal himself and start a confrontation
>Finally start writing characters with more than 1 page of depth after nearly 20 years >Keep repeating the same shit regarding the characters goals over and over without adding anything else to them >"GOAT"!
he started getting impatient after narancia drove around the block 50 times
Caleb Parker
He REALLY wanted to confirm Narancia was involved. He doesn't realise it until he notices the make-up and tights, despite seeing evidence before that moment
Ian Jackson
Who are you talking about?
Easton Rivera
Never said he was. But that stand ability is still very limiting. In fact half of the team is in need of a good nerf to make the battles more interesting or more properly cooperable.
Luke Stewart
MUH JOJO
David Ward
At the same time he drops a lot of plot points or writes them out. Constantly has flashbacks throughout the part or reiterates the rules of the race which killed pacing. Recycled stand abilties. Disposable enemies. Diego Brando was the only character I liked in that mess.
Yes Josuke literally won't beat Kira on his own, he needs the help of Okuyasu, Koichi, Jotaro and Reimi to defeat Kira.
Daniel Myers
>Diego Brando was the only character I liked in that mess. Tfw he only transforms into a full dino ONCE and never again...
Henry Perez
Just read it aminigger
Carson Jenkins
>amine
Hunter Gray
Don't hate it, I just can recognize the flaws in it. There are NUMEROUS flaws. Still better than part 3, still excited for the anime adaptation.
Jordan Richardson
Name a non flawed part that isn't 2 or 7.
James Martinez
I can't, because even parts 2 and 7 have flaws. Doesn't change the fact that part 6 has more flaws than average.
Cooper Thomas
Animeonly here, what part had the best anime adaption?
Jack Wright
Battle Tendency
Asher Reed
4 unironically
Andrew Scott
5
Matthew Hughes
Battle Tendency was probably the most faithful reproduction. GW was more enjoyable for me though, and they added a healthy amount of anime only scenes.
Nathaniel Martin
>You wanna go play with my Hercules Beetles?
Chase Brooks
unironically the best fight in all the jojo franchise
>he feels elitist reading pictures Yes continue sorting out the trash so I can have more good stuff for my pirating sites. ow allow me to leave the thread to avoid any spoilers from comic peasants, while you reply in futility.
Yes and no. In Part 7 there's only 2 characters in the main party, and they usually work together in each fight. So the entire main party gets proportionate screen time but also it still only focuses on a couple of characters. There are other characters in the main cast but since they're not really part of the main group they're lack of screen time doesn't feel as jarring.
But Emporio lives. Also
Jaxon Davis
Rohan would have won the instant Kira saw his stand, he was pretty broken in 1 vs 1 fights, that's why he ended up having the rock-paper-scissors game and Cheap Trick
Ryan White
The Squadra sometimes had enough inside info to send a guy to put mirrors in Pompeii, and sometimes they didn't know shit. Fromaggio wasn't even sure if Narancia was a stand user, even though he knew that he was in Bruno's team.
Adrian Gomez
was there any ever official confirmation that this is what happened, or is it just some bile that fans come up with to fill in the gaps? because as far as I know you're talking out your ass.
Eli Powell
not my favorite part, but absolutely 2. it's the only one that actually felt improved in comparison to the original
Julian Thomas
Soft agree. I feel P8 is almost too meta - it's a mishmash of like every single previous part together. There are so many small or big similarities between JJL and parts 1-6. I'm almost wondering if it's on purpose.
Everyone's story dies in part six anyway don't worry
Joseph Morgan
>8 is too all over the place to be "great," imo. The story jumps around a lot And that's why it's so good.
Joshu's mini-arc about having to spend all of the money is one of the the best things Araki has ever written.
Noah Sanchez
>mfw I have irl friends who only watch the anime and heard Jotaro and everyone die in part 6 while part 4 was airing so they stopped watching after part 4
Literally makes me silently rage desu.
Henry Richardson
Drop 'em
Adam Butler
i've been worried about this exact thing possibly discouraging david from making 7 hopefully the animeonlys aren't too vocal
Brody Flores
I love Jojolion, but the fucking plotholes are killing me. Surely Araki has the rest of the story completely planned out now, right?
Michael Baker
I don't think they'll let that stop them, part 7 is one of the highest regarded manga of all time and they're bound to know people are waiting mostly for that part.
Robert Ward
>respecting your friends who only watch JoJo because he's whacky fruity pose man Don't sweat it your real life friends are more important than Yea Forums memes, cherish them user.
Nathaniel Davis
5 went from mediocre to 10/10 after the anime
Ryder Ross
>Kira gets outsmarted AGAIN by ANOTHER KID only this time the kid outsmarted his seemingly invincible stand. Also the kid doesn't have nor can he even see Stands.
Dominic Murphy
He gets less and less senile over the course of the show. He's just playing ya.
Let's assume part 9 is happening. How long does it usually take to start the next part?
Aaron Taylor
>only this time the kid outsmarted his seemingly invincible stand Hey, Bite the Dust was genuinely invincible, the retard was Kira and his stupid decision of speak of himself in third person
Thomas Robinson
What? Even Koichi making his hand heavier was more relevant to his defeat than Jotaro, he only pushed him under the ambulance.
Asher Young
from all the Jojos, Joseph is definitely the one most likely to cheat on his wife, but why and how did he end banging a Japanese chick from Morioh is a mystery. I like to think that he wanted to take revenge on Japan for stealing his daughter. Also, it's not impossible that he would have met Tomoko during a trip to visit Holly, but how did that relationship even start?
i believe it's unfair to forget he unscrewed his tongue from his body to lick hato's ear
Liam Taylor
Part 5 "fixes" that, but then again all it really does is to relegate GioGio into irrelevancy until the very last moment. Part 5 has a great cast overall but the way that it deals with the protagonist is one of the most serious cases of missed potential in the entire story.
JoJo is the most intelligent shounen ever written. Can you name a better shounen than this? The answer is no, you can't. The fight scenes are so much better than any other shounen fights. These fight scenes are written with brain and intelligence. They're very original fight scenes and don't follow a traditional fight scene formula in any way. Dragon Ball can go fuck itself. Also, the JoJo fanbase are some of the nicest and most intelligent people you will meet on the internet. We just want to have fun and share our fun little memes. I want to marry Araki, but that's muda for me unfortunately. Also, I like gay guys.
It still pisses me off that Jotaro got the last crack at Kira before he got killed by the ambulance. Seriously, what a fucking ripoff, Josuke got gypped big time.
James Miller
STICKYYYYYYYY FINGERS
Grayson Gomez
>Can you name a better shounen than this? Hunter × Hunter
Ryan Gray
Pft. That was actually a nice change. Josuke wasn't your average shonen protagonist who beats everyone.
Jonathan Edwards
Part six is fucking trash, don't pretend you've ever liked that abortion of a part
Sebastian Wilson
Ok can someone clarify. I say Valentine and D4C could take on Giorno and GER. But my friend says otherwise. Which of us is correct?
>go to another dimension >get a second GER easy peasy
Nathan Barnes
GER beats literally everything. Except for non canon bullshit. And apparently stands that have global range.
Justin Bennett
But can it beat another GER?
Joseph Lewis
Why didn't Diavolo just get a vasectomy?
Landon Cook
>they both render each other impotent >results in 2 Giornos bitch slapping each other until one wins
Oliver Sanders
>they both conjure an animal >one animal attacks the other >the damage reflects back to the animal >the first animal then reflects the damage back again >all damage eternally reflects back and forth forever
Brandon Stewart
The man sells houses all over the world
Adam Lewis
it's not slice of life
Charles Anderson
manga-onlys feel superior for reading cartoon pictures made for babies
Christopher Baker
Because I'm pretty certain they cast Koichi's VA solely off the ability to voice this part and of fucking course Yuki Kaji was perfect for it and has crazy vocal skills to do normal Koichi as well.
Its why he needs to be Johnny in the anime as well, he's also perfect for him.
Brayden Cooper
Yuki Kaji as Koichi was one of the worst voice performances in the entire anime series.
Camden Gonzalez
He didn't know anything about reproduction, Trish's mom took advantage of his feelings
Eli Anderson
Oops, it got delayed again because you named it. sorry HxHcuck.
Dominic Scott
Shouldn't Okuyasu have been able to kill his father? Swiping him away with The Hand quick enough would've done it since it doesn't leave anything behind to regen from.
On that note, couldn't Joseph or literally any Ripple user kill the dad? His immortality comes from Dio, you can just burn out the cells if necessary.
>Swiping him away with The Hand quick enough would've done it since it doesn't leave anything behind to regen from. he says the reason he hasn't done exactly that is because he doesn't know where the erased space goes and so it might not actually kill him
>Jotaro gets like fifty wins over the course of Stardust Crusaders and routinely steals them away from the supporting cast jobbing just to make Jotaro look super good, to the point where Joseph, the trickmaster jobs against a gambler just so Jotaro can win literally just by looking cool and stoic >Jotaro also gets Josuke's final kill nigga why
Connor Reyes
And, like an idiot, almost got killed because of it. However, this IS the same guy who thought it'd be a good idea to prank his grandson by pretending to be Dio the second he was revived.
Lincoln King
Probably Chad Valentine. Then again, they were faithful with Iggy's design change, so maybe we'll have fat Valentine aftera ll.
Luis Richardson
Such as?
Jose Butler
If only they had a member with a Stand ability who could create vaccines for them, thus protecting themselves against Purple Haze's virus... That being said, I do kind of agree with the sentiment that poisonous abilities like Purple Haze can be kind of limiting. And Araki seems to keep using them (e.g. Schott Key No. 2 in Part 8), which gets pretty stale.
Jayden Ward
Definitely just a headcanon, but at least it's not baseless. During the Cinderella arc, when Shizuka starts crying in a mall and begins going invisible again, Joseph nigerundayos it out of there without even needing to use his walking cane, knocking over Koichi in the process with his 195cm frame. And the ending narration DOES say that Joseph mysteriously got a bit better from his dementia or whatever around the time he went back to America and introduced Shizuka to Suzi Q.
Robert Martinez
Weak supporting cast Unbearable and hard to read fights Pucci's plan was very convoluted and much of it didn't make sense Minor villains are a step back from part 4 and 5, going back to part 3's writing
Jason Wilson
Don’t worry he gets BTFOd right at the start of part 6
Leo Hughes
This is possibly the easiest way to get me to instantly hate a character, litterally have them be the solution to every problem and have the spotlight on them constantly causing other characters in the group to get shafted. I know other protags in jojo did this but none were as egregious as jotaro during part 3 in this department. It was better in part 4 cause everyone made an effort in stopping kira and he wasnt even the one who killed him. One of the best decisions made in part 6 is that he shows up only to immediatly get taken out by the main villian.
Adrian Campbell
>Weak supporting cast Opinion >Unbearable and hard to read fights Maybe if you're retarded >Pucci's plan was very convoluted and much of it didn't make sense Maybe if you weren't paying attention >Minor villains are a step back from part 4 and 5, going back to part 3's writing >implying part 4 had good minor villains >implying part 5's minor villains weren't generic MOTWs just like every jojo part
Anthony Morales
>implying part 4 had good minor villains >implying part 5's minor villains weren't generic MOTWs just like every jojo part they were still better than 6s even if it isnt a high bar
Jordan White
>they were still better than 6s even if it isnt a high bar Once again your opinion I'll talk to you again once you get some legitimate reasons that don't stem from you speedreading.
Isaiah Murphy
4 had horrible antagonists, easily worst than 3. Many of them have no motivations at all and are just in conflict with the crew for no reason. 6 villains were like 5's because they were assassins hired by the main villain to take out the main villain. DIO's sons were excellent when you think about it.
Jordan Sanders
But beating Kira was literally a concert action, everyone did their part. >Kishibe tracked the kid >kid basically made Kira mad enough to expose himself with balls of steel >Josuke stalled Kira long enough to almost kill him and make him do a huge mistake and run into the gang >Koichi fucked up Kira's hand so he couldn't use AOBTD anymore >Jotaro gave him the final push Only Okuyasu jobbed hard, and even then he eventually saves Josuke when he gets back from the dead.
I can hardly think of a more satisfying shonen finale.
Brandon Roberts
GER nullifies any action whatsoever. The only way one can "defeat" Giorno is either through something that is passive and not an action, or doesn't target him (last part I'm unsure).
Like, Giorno could still get lead poisoning if his apartment had lead in the water or some shit but anything that is performing an action will have that action reset to zero
Ayden Baker
Isnt it weird that in JoJo characters will go "How the hell did he do that? That's impossible!" They know the other guy is a stand user, or even a group of stand users, fucking anything is possible
Christian Morales
It's my headcanon that banging Tomoko was one of the literal first things he did getting off/on the plane at the start/end of Part 3
Sebastian Fisher
Josuke was born several years before Part 3.
Xavier Evans
That’s literally only a thing in part 3, when the concept of stands were “new”.
Levi Stewart
It happens in part 5 on the train when Bruno boards and suddenly disappears from Prosciutto and Pesci's sight, they're like "How the hell did we miss him? Where could he possibly have gone?" Like you know he's a stand user with a whole team thats likely stand users too, for all you know they're in a different dimension like Man in the mirror
Brayden Robinson
> thus protecting themselves against Purple Haze's virus Well that's kinda the problem aswell, the whole ''stand that is a potential threat to its allies'' idea is immediately thrown out of the window that way. Just make him less deadly but still this weird sort of mind-of-its-own hair-trigger stand. We've already had an idiot who can't use his OP stand properly in 4, now we have a smart guy with an idiotic stand. I think there's some fun potential in that contrast.
Christian Lopez
>DIO's sons were excellent when you think about it. You mean Versace was excellent. Ungalo was trash except for his incredible stand and Rikiel was all around a shitter. Underworld, Planet Waves, Green Green Grass of Home, Made in Heaven and Bohemian Rhapsody are the only good stands in part 6.
>You mean Versace was excellent Oh it's you again. Can you please sperg out about how pucci was a terrible villain and versace should have achieved heaven instead like you always do?
Mason Reyes
According to Araki there was going to be a plot line where Fugo killed one of the MCs with his stand, but he didn't want to include that
Ryder Johnson
stringy punch ghost leaves a lot to be desired and might just be the worst MC stand besides Hamitu Paparu got to give props to Jolyne for using it creatively though
Noah Davis
Better than Mary Sue Experience
Thomas Robinson
4’s villains were just weird people who got super powers who had motives besides wanting to kill the cast. 5’s Villians were a group that had a main goal they wanted to achieve because their fellow squad members were killed. Although they all had the same motive they make up for it with their determination and personality
Angel Carter
Remember when Joseph decided to invade Lisa Lisa’s privacy, not knowing she was his mother? Yeah,, him having a bastard is completely in keeping with his established character.
Samuel Gomez
Just like every monster of the week anime adaptation.
Ian Clark
2 or 5. I already liked 2 the most but the way it turned out, it was perfect outside of the sometimes wonky animation work. 5 has a great adaptation with a shitton of passion put into it, plus it helps that for the most part, we only had a pretty shitty translation of 5.
Cameron Bell
Hermit Purple wasn't really a MC stand though, Joseph was the sidekick in Stardust Crusaders.
Alexander Stewart
>everyone will die after something like 200 episodes >better not touch it at all Top tier logic from your friends. I don't like the universe reset at all either, though.
Ayden James
yeah, i just meant of the Joestars who have stands Tusk > Gold Experience > Star Platinum: Za Warudo >Soft and Wet > Crazy Diamond > Stone Free > Hermit Purple
Jose Scott
Wow, this is actually extremely shit taste!
Parker Rogers
No. Basically the entire JoJo series is the protag and supporting cast taking turns to 1v1 villains. Rarely do they ever work in a team
In P5 they rarely work together. in P6 FF and Kiss are actually good support characters at least
Angel Clark
Since when does his immortality come from Dio? His regeneration could've come from his own Stand (since he WAS in possession of the Bow and Arrow). The common theory is that, when the flesh bud tried to kill him (as it successfully did with Enya), his Stand's regeneration kept him alive while also causing his subsequent mutation.
Jack Bennett
Joseph only jobbed against the gambler because said gambler was just better than him. Also, Joseph got old, and had enough moments of him in the spotlight in Part 2, to the point that Caesar and Lisa Lisa basically had ZERO wins to their name because Joseph was the one to defeat all four Pillar Men.
Carter Bennett
Araki never said that. He only said that Fugo was planned to be a traitor and that Giorno would probably have to kill him in the end, but Araki couldn't bring himself to write such a dark story of betrayal, so he just wrote him out in the end.
Michael Jackson
You know there's quite a big difference between peeping on a woman having bath as an 18-year-old delinquent and having an affair as a 60-something-year-old with a random Japanese college student, right?
John Perry
>Joseph goes to Japan to visit his daughter >Is white, swole and charismatic >Easily attracts girls even at an older age People aren't perfect, its very easy to see a scenario where he had the opportunity to pound a young Japanese girl and took it
Brayden Reyes
>just be a low IQ brainlet incapable of analyzing creative media
Jaxon White
It still doesn't make sense because hermit purple has divination powers
Levi Watson
Feels like Mista kinda got shafted with his stand compared to the rest of his team Everyones stand has some kind of special power, but Sex Pistols is just 6 little guys that are fast and accurate, and that's only when they've been fed
Brandon Butler
>silently humming Jolene to myself while rereading Stone Ocean
Nah, he was just gonna be a traitor or something. Which would still make absolutely no sense for his character as it was established. He was close to Bruno and Narancia especially, it would be incredibly retarded to do a sudden U-turn. If there's one mildly intelligent writing decision Araki make in 5, it's definitely him discarding that idea.
>5’s Villians were a group that had a main goal they wanted to achieve because their fellow squad members were killed. They're just literal jobbers who wanted more cash. Those two nobodies killed off-screen are hardly relevant overall.
Matthew Bennett
And it lead to a moment that made the decision to turn against Diavolo feel more impactful. Fugo just leaving is more emotionally impactful than if he'd died or turned traitor. It's just sad seeing him watch them go without him
Aaron Long
OP says nothing about teamwork
Mason Ward
Yeah, the boat scene is one of the best in the series.
Christopher Edwards
it could always be bullshitted that Purple Haze's virus evolves to be effective against the antibodies, so Giorno would at least need to make a new vaccine every time.
Owen Nguyen
Honestly I just felt he was the only character with some sense left at that point, rest of the team went full retard afterwards. Bruno hardly had a plan and even then they're all so damn disorganized and incompetent about it that they let Abbacchio get killed in the dumbest way possible and then it turns out Diavolo's identity is fucking meaningless and the only way Araki can write himself out of the corner is a literal hacker ex machina with a win-button arrow.
Colton Hernandez
Consensus seems 2 or 5. 4's was good enough for what it was and its story carries it hardcore. 1's was a bit gimped unfortunately but still serviceable
Really only Stardust got fucked over and I feel like it was a case of "trying too hard"
Joseph was playing the long con. He planned on cheating on Holly the moment she didn’t send out the telegram to inform everyone he didn’t die.
Eli Flores
Even if Pucci is interesting, Versace was literally the only good son of DIO, including Giorno
Caleb Howard
GioGio is hardly a son of Dio. He’s more Johnathans kid than anything.
Easton Ross
>cheating on Holly
Camden Allen
Fuck, shit. I’m rewatching part 3 and I got the names mixed up in my head.
Justin Morgan
Now that you mention it, as much as a piece of shit Joshuu is I think he has more of the goofy charm that both Norisuke I and IV have. Joob is a bit of a goof too but he's also extremely self centered and distant from his family. Maybe that's just because he's the oldest and he has a lot going on but in the past few arcs he's definitely set himself up as an antagonist to his family. Joshuubros rise up
Kevin Perez
Parts 1-3 and early/mid part 4 have an ugly art style in the manga that the anime touches up beautifully.
Parts 1-2 are better animated (Part 2 especially, which goes from being incredible to being boring when you transition from anime to manga).
Part 3 looks gorgeous in animation, but the pacing is terrible. If you value art, music and motion over pacing, watch the anime. If you value more consistent pacing and lower art quality, read the manga.
Part 4's manga has issues with its formatting and art quality. Multiple characters in the manga are very tall at first, only to become short after a few scenes. Josuke looks like an abomination in the early manga chapters as well. Part 4 also has a few arcs that flow strangely into each other, which the anime fixes up by changing pacing by rearranging one arc and mixing some together. The downside to the Part 4 anime is animation quality and the handling of a particular arc or two. There are a few less incredible-looking scenes, so you will get higher art quality (in the second half) by reading the manga. The anime also handles a few scenes poorly, largely due to still manga panels to full motion. On the flip side, many of the scenes that were okay in the manga become iconic in the anime.
Nathan Davis
Yeah but it's his relationship to DIO that's played up despite how irrelevant it is to his character. Though a hypothetical story of Giorno being DIO's bastard kid in the 1920s during prohibition could've been neat if he was found before 1984. True Gangster Lives
Part 5 feels like a spin off
Julian Evans
Okay legitimate question
Why the fuck was it relevant to have Diavolo be the one who found the arrows? Why wouldn't he have kept the special arrow and just sold Enya the others? It would've been more thematically appropriate if Diavolo was just another asshole who happened to buy an arrow and end up building a mountain of success and protection around himself for full power than the forced "he was destined to fail" BS
It was an attempt to make Diavolo seem more relevant than he was to be the one who started this whole mess when his end fate was so irrelevant they end the Part with a flashback arc
Why does Passione hand out superpowers to people they've just met instead of members that have earned it
Aaron Gray
Did you forget the arrow kills you if you don't have the mental fortitude to handle it?
Besides, nobody betrays the Boss. Right, Sorbet and Gelato?
James Green
Just seems like a big risk, like what if they go on an insane power trip and massacre a city, revealing the existence of stands to the world? Polpo you just met this street urchin, you dont fucking know what ability he'll get or how he'll use it
Leo Russell
It makes sense. He's literally the "devil" who plunged the world into stand fuckery and also helps make it more believable that he thinks he is actually chosen by fate to always succeed. And even if Giorno didn't know it, the infinite death cycle feels more deserved than just for turning Italy into a shithole. He didn't keep the special arrow because the only person knowing it was special is fucking Polnareff, that was the entire point of him being in Part 5. And thematically it would destroy his character if he was "just another asshole" because he's the complete opposite. He's an exceptional psycho who sees himself as above everyone else and literally unable to lose, atleast in the long run.
Araki capitalized on an unused plot element to make Diavolo more dangerous/influential.
Cooper Howard
He should’ve automatically known that the arrow with a unique design might have special properties.
Jonathan Murphy
A lot of this really seems like "it means something because the plot wills it to be". Like all these themes are surface level. He's "the Devil" because he's named that way and is freaky and evil. Yet not as evil as Cioccolata, he's irredeemable
Like what said. You don't just toss out a fucking differently designed ancient artifact solely because you're going to assume it's the same, it has a unique design
Considering his backstory is meant to be mysterious and inconsistent like a horror movie villain, trying to tie him into DIO to justify the "destined to lose" theme removes a lot of the tension of "will they beat him" in hindsight
You can rewatch Part 2, 3 or 4 or reread 6/7 and feel like the villain is still invincible until they lose. Part 5 the villain is busy trying to become invincible because of outside sources constantly fucking him over
It's made even more retarded by the fact Diavolo is apparently so ultra paranoid about everything, like you'd think there would be some sort of stricter procedure about obtaining and keeping track of stands than Polpo not giving a shit whether or not someone got it during the test. Like for some fucking reason Diavolo doesn't even know what stand the leader of his own assassination division has. Passione makes no goddamn sense at all.
Nicholas Flores
>plunged the world into stand fuckery It's not like he made the arrows, that angle would actually be more interesting rather than him randomly finding and immediately selling most off. He's not even trying to take over the world or whatever, just wants to sit in his hotel room while his crime gang basically runs itself. He hardly does ANYTHING. >helps make it more believable that he thinks he is actually chosen by fate to always succeed. Well if we follow the retarded logic of ''fate'' in JoJo, he literally was fated to obtain KC and run a crime empire and succeed all along, until it was suddenly fated for his business to be taken over by some literal who 15-year old shonen protag who's been in the gang for a couple of days. Sure is silly that fate, almost like it's whatever the hell the author wants and not a good justification for events that occurred. >He's an exceptional psycho who sees himself as above everyone else and literally unable to lose, atleast in the long run. So he's literally just Dio, but more convoluted and nonsensical.
