This anime was pretty good but also moderately disappointing. Bad tonal issues when moving from moe to Filicia's PTSD about her entire squad getting wiped out, back to moe, then a few episodes of really rushed drama and finding out Noel is a fucking war criminal and then it just ends.
What did you guys think?
There's no such thing as 'crimes' in war.
I think you're a retard and you should beat yourself on the head until you have erased all memory of the wotos.
Can you elaborate on your opinion? I never said it was bad, just that it didn't flow well together. The slice of life parts were good, and the drama parts would have been good too if they were expanded on instead of shoved into only 4 episodes.
I think you might have gone into it with the wrong expectations.
It wasn't a show that beats you over the head with stuff. It was mostly a slice of life with touches of darker and more serious elements from time to time. I think it would have been worse with more of the dark episodes, they were used very well in the few episodes.
If anything, some more obvious hints that there might be an attack earlier on would have made the ending come less out of nowhere.
You appreciate the series more and more with every rewatch. And the darker episodes hit you harder every time, especially Felicia's.
k-on with guns sucks
If you thought the ending was rushed, then you probably missed all of the foreshadowing and you might need to watch it again. Especially episode 8, it's crucial.
What about the 6 million? You think it's okay to just kill 7 million people in a camp? A big oven that kills 8 million people, is that not a crime in your book? Your denial of the genocide that killed 9 million innocents is not welcome here, bigot. Have some respect for the 10 million dead.
Pretty much the same thing. I didn't really mind the tone shifts because they kind of showcase the shift from war to peace, but it never really felt like that was something the show intended to do. It was more like they tacked a bunch of stupid drama onto the end to make it feel like a conclusion, but it ended up seeming more like the whole show just lacked direction.
The only bad thing about the anime is that the blue hair turned into a political slut.
ITT: people who ignored the story until it hit them on the head for 20 minutes with giant robot spiders
There are subtle hints that war could be coming, from very early on.
But like reality, and in-universe, they had no idea when war would come, so all they could do was just live life peacefully and carry out their duties. If it came as a shock to the viewer, that's because it came as a shock to them, too.
I figured there was going to be an attack by the time there were some off-handed remarks about the peace talks being stalled, don't remember what episode that was though, somewhere in the middle? Also yeah, I might have gone into it with the wrong expectations since I saw people comparing it to Girls' Last Tour. I was expecting a darker tone to it. I really did like the very last episode with the hot air balloon that had Rio confirming that the world really was fucked with the expanding desert on Rome's border and a bunch of other nations about to go ham on them, I wish it was mentioned earlier than at the very end of the show though.
I think you're confused, user. "Foreshadowing" is the default counter for when people saying that you're favorite show had an asspull ending. It has nothing to do with the pacing.
6 million more.
Their realization of how ruined the planet is always hits me hard, and the glimmer of hope that comes with it.
I found SnW to have much darker and serious tones than SSR when it did have those episodes. Mostly with Felicia's PTSD and the soldier apologizing to her.
I feel like SSR never really went into the despairing situation, it was just a theme and didn't often hit home on it.
>I feel like SSR never really went into the despairing situation
Confirmed for not having read the manga.
I don't think anyone ITT is saying that the war happening took them by surprise. They're saying that the shifts from happy-go-lucky SOL to serious drama were not handled in such a way that they felt like natural transitions. Knowing that there's shit going down in the background doesn't make going from "haha, she needs to pee" to "oh yeah, I killed millions of people with bioweapons and it's haunting my soul" any less jarring.
>I found SnW to have much darker and serious tones than SSR when it did have those episodes. Mostly with Felicia's PTSD and the soldier apologizing to her.
I agree with that, SSR mostly had happy tones but in every scene you could just see the absolute destruction the world has gone through just with how desolate everything looked and there were no other people around, massive bomb craters, no food, etc.
If Sora no Woto went into more depth about how screwed the planet itself was and how there was almost constant warfare over whatever resources there were left I would have felt the impact of it a lot more.
>the shifts from happy-go-lucky SOL to serious drama were not handled in such a way that they felt like natural transitions.
How does one naturally go from peacefully keeping watch at a border outpost to being attacked by the enemy?
It's supposed to be a shock, that's how attacks in war are.
What did you want to see? A letter from Rome in episode 4 saying they're gonna attack in episode 11? A montage of the Roman army gearing up and heading out?
>If Sora no Woto went into more depth about how screwed the planet itself was
The most terrifying things are the ones your imagination comes up with. It's also why Lovecraft stuff will never work in a movie.
I think it depends on the person. Both series did a great job at it, whichever one people enjoyed more depends on their own personality, outlook, and experiences.
Both series would have been worse if they added in exposition and beat you over the head with the themes.
This time, for real.
Always thought it would be cool if a sequel got made it would be nice setting it in the Holy Roman Empire or Hopkin's village
>tonal shifts in an anime about war is a bad thing
OP didn't complain about the very presence of tonal shifts.
Yeah, you're right, I wouldn't have liked it if they went super heavy into exposition either, I just wanted a bit more than what we got, just a little more lore and world building. It really does just come down to taste.
Tonal shifts are fine, I just didn't think the ones in Sora no Woto were done well.
How do you think it happens?
I think, 10th anniversary S2 please?
>It's also why Lovecraft stuff will never work in a movie.
just turn your brains off and anime will make sense
i'm princess btw ;)
I, for one, agree that the tonal shifts are jarring, but fortunately it never bothered me. Though I like it quite a lot, there's still something that irks me about this anime, and I just can't put my finger on it. I hope some user expresses it someday, so I can get some closure.
That character looks dreadful, indeed. Dreadfully bad.
kys yourself and stop bullying OP
>kys
Kill yourself, redditor.
>kys yourself
>kill yourself yourself
uhh
>k-on but in a military setting!!
kyoto really pushes some garbage out and could you imagine actually sitting through the whole cour for this? How bad does your taste have to be?
This is why no one likes moefags because they watch shit like this, desu.
This is your brain on Yea Forums. Just let that sink in.
Daily reminder:Sora no Woto is Haibane Renmei done wrong, and you can't deny it.
>Rio flapping her arms like a plane
Massive foreshadowing
I've been seeing your rec for at least 5 years and I still haven't watched it.
It can't be helped, Haibane Renmei is simply too good.
Ending was rushed, the SoL parts were great
>Hurrr moe girl military setting and ones a warm criminal durrr so deep and mature cartoon
moefags are the epitome of brainlets.
I liked it a lot. It has the same problem as a lot of 12-13 episode series though in that there's a little development along the way but then shit hits the fan in the last couple of episodes. It's basically a lopsided story and whoever keeps writing these types of stories needs to learn to balance their story a little more. Or someone needs to convince the industry to fund more anime that's more than 13 episodes long. Didn't really know what to expect from it going in but I can see the comparisons to Haibane Renmei.
Will moefags watch anything?
>I can't voice any argument, let alone an option besides "I don't like cute girls", but you are an idiot and should be ashamed of yourself.
Have you tried coming out of the closet?
Why are you arguing with one of the redditors that the Kyoani arson brought to the board?
imagine thinking some moe anime set in the military with some retarded drama meant for teens is good. How much soilent do you consume on average string bean?
I disagree. If your story needs 24 episodes or more, chances are you're a shit writer. Most 2 cour anime that aren't SoL have absolutely horrid pacing. Sora no Woto is a SoL, so this doesn't really apply here and more shenanigans would be always welcome, but it had perfectly adequate length for what it wanted to say.
>user never sees girls in reality so he forces himself to watch shitty forced drama moeshit from kyoto. yikes
>then a few episodes of really rushed drama and finding out Noel is a fucking war criminal and then it just ends.
That type of pace is literally an ingrained concept of Japanese art. It's why you see it nigh everywhere.
en.wikipedia.org
>Or someone needs to convince the industry to fund more anime that's more than 13 episodes long.
They do though. Not that there are many.
>macross F
Some shows have shitty pacing, some don't, how many episodes it have doesn't seem to matter though.
It is shit and overrated
>If your story needs 24 episodes or more, chances are you're a shit writer
That completely depends on your story and it's bizarre to me that there are people that think the arbitrary number of 12-13 episodes is the "perfect" amount needed for anything. I don't even think 24 is how much SnW should have been, but to me the way the story was told necessitated more episodes because it felt like a bunch of sol stuff that then turned into something bigger than that in the last couple of episodes. But the cour system necessitates either 12 episodes or 24 and not like 16 episodes, though there are some anime that don't stick to the cour format occasionally I think. A writer should write a story they want to tell and then the amount of episodes should be decided from that. Not "hm, what story do I want to tell in 13 episodes". Especially when it ends up being 10 episodes of sol stuff and 3 episodes of some developing story that should have probably had more episodes devoted to developing it.
>arbitrary number of 12-13 episodes is the "perfect"
I never even implied that. It's simply a restraint of the TV format and the lesser of the two evils. For most shows even 8 episodes would be enough, given competent direction.
The reality is that most shows with dozens of episodes end up as that shitty Hobbit trilogy. One short book worth of content stretched to nearly 10 fucking hours. Take Casshern Sins for example. Great concept, great themes, great visuals, but fuck me if it wasn't a repetitive slogfest. It could have easily been a 2 hour movie. Pacing is the single most obvious problem in the anime industry and very few plot-heavy shows manage to nail it.
I don't really disagree about anything you said here. Vast majority of anime directors are either completely clueless or completely fucked by the TV format.
>I only watch mature anime for mature audiences like myself
>Reminder that episode counts are just convenient multiples of monthly air time
As an aside, 39 is a far better alternative to a 50 episode run time cause it allows a relatively in depth story without dragging its feet like a lot of 50 episoders do.
But I also have to add that having more content than runtime is a problem that can still be salvaged by a competent director. If it's the other way around, the director can't really do shit about it.
Sora no Woto is the thinking man's Haibane Renmei.
Based
You're still confusing "this isn't tonally consistent" with "this isn't a logical flow of events."
I think it's just that the show doesn't really know what it wants to be. Sometimes it wants to be about the horrors of war and the scars it leaves on people, sometimes it wants to be about how far the world has regressed thanks to humanity's greed, sometimes it wants to be about how people can keep going and find happiness as if they were completely oblivious to everything that's wrong in the world, sometimes it just wants to be fetish fuel. There are different themes and focuses in almost every episode and the show never even comes close to connecting them. It's not just episodic in content, but in message. So even if you like each individual part, it never forms a cohesive whole and you're left feeling like nothing was concluded because, despite how dramatic the ending was, it really had very little to do with what the rest of the show was about.
I kinda thought the same, also the ending doesnt make sense, the blonde one and their crew turning against the other captain to only save one prisioner, even more when they knew that another army was coming and they had no idea about how the peace signment was going on
They are women.
So why can't a work be about all those things? Does every movie, TV show, book, comic, etc, have to be exclusively one theme, subject or message?
Excellent description desu, that's exactly how it made me feel.
s2 never
Not that user but the more different ideas and themes you try to push, the weaker each of them individually are going to be, just picking a couple and following them all the way through and making them satisfying is the best way to write a story, and it messes with the tone and flow which is SnW's biggest problem.
I didn't really have a problem with the tone and flow here, though. I mean I can kinda see how some people would, if they do want something to be more straightforward, but it didn't really seem badly done to me. True enough that more ideas and themes means less attention on each individual one, but I don't think that's a bad thing, necessarily.
It wasn't horrible or disastrous but it did distract from the overall experience to me. Better tone and flow would have made it an 8 or 8.5 instead of a 7.5 to me.
Still my favorite anime.
Of course not. If you want to be literary, you could even argue that the idea behind this work is that life is a collection of different things and each one progresses largely unaffected by the others, leaving only a vague sense of emotional unease in those who experience it. But, even if that were true, many people are used to, and prefer, stories to be more focused than that. Even if a work has multiple themes or messages, there is either a primary one or they ultimately tie together. Failing to structure a story in such a way will leave audiences with a feeling of dissonance, even if they genuinely do like everything that has happened.
That said, I would argue that it was not intentional and there was never a central intention directing its creation. Perhaps the best evidence is also the most obvious, how horribly ill-fitting the ED often was as a follow-up to the episode's events. You typically see alternates, or at least a more neutral standard one, in shows that intend to play with such stark tonal shifts.
Found this in my old Yea Forums folder.
The ending sucked dick honestly. I hate when shows try go for a climactic final act when they’re primarily episodic. The only anime to my memory that I’ve seen pull it off well is cowboy bebop. The best episode in the whole show is that ova episode where they just get drunk.
Woto is one of my favorite shows and has one of my favorite scenes. However, its fucking impossible to find some Calvados in burgerland.
Ha. Good times.
I only watched it cause of some similar gif to this one. Was disappointed cause there wasn’t enough cute girls doing war thing
Yumina bes girl
Bebop's finale only differed from the ordinary episodes in its consequences. It was structured like a normal two-part episode, only slightly intensified the somber melancholy present throughout the series, and came about from the same issues (primarily the weight of your past) that drove a great deal of the show. What it does is entirely different than what SnW does.
What you're talking about is when a show tries to shift from being episodic to being a three-part play.
I just really like Hikari No Senritsu
They should have it in any dedicated liquor store. And I live out towards the countryside in TN so it's not like my parts are exactly worldly.
My feelings towards Kureha are so complicated.
I want her to look to me as a strong father figure and to hold her in my big, strong arms. But I can't decide if my love for her is paternal or sexual or both.
I live in a decently large city and haven't found it at any liquor stores yet, just shitty American apple brandy. Guess I'll have to keep driving farther and farther away.
Okay, fair enough. As long as you're not being one of the fags who declares an otherwise good show is irredeemable shit because it has some flaw or other.
I still think "war sucks, living a peaceful life is great" is a theme that is consistently there and does tie it all together. I don't think I'd say it was lacking a central intention in its creation, though it could possibly have executed it better. And not ever changing from the cheerful ED is probably the greatest failing of the show.
I liked it enough to draw an alternate ending.
She's too young for you, Klaus.
It is a very good OP.
>we've got the most advanced tank on the battlefield
>let's get outside of it and shoot at the enemy with small arms!
Kureha is the exact sort of girl who has a father complex. It's pretty damn hard to resist that.
Isn't it basically K-On joins the army?
in anime they used bugles for signals and not some kind of air horn built into the tank so that's faithful to silliness of source material
No
Sometimes you just need a little bit more dakka.
Bugles for signalling is excusable; the tank presumably didn't have that kind of horn built in when it was new, and is now lost technology so no-one would know how to add one. This *could* be justified if the tank, or at least its cannon, was visibly disabled. Otherwise it's just Warhammer 40K-ish bullshit. It looks cool, don't get me wrong, it's just bullshit.
The machine gun? Sure. The pistol doesn't add a meaningful amount of dakka.
Haibane Renmei done wrong is still Haibane Renmei
Not really. Only two characters have much interest in music and the show itself isn't really music related even though it is important at points. It does also have the cgdct aspect to it but it's not really the same as K-ON in that regard either I wouldn't say. You see people compare it to Haibane Renmei sometimes but I'd say it's somewhere in between HR and K-ON.
It's not *exactly* K-On: Military Edition, but I still think it's close enough to call it that. Even viewing it more as a K-On/Haibane Renmei hybrid, it's got more K-On than Haibane Renmei.
Speculah?
Noero.
I don't usually complain about shows not being made the way I would've liked or having wasted potential but Sora no Woto really is the worst offender of this. It had so much to work with with the great setting, characters, and themes. The episodes that did delve into the darker side of the setting and reflected on the history of the world and the lives of people living in the shadow of their once great civilization were just enough to tease you about how great the show could have been if it had been more focused in that direction. Ideally it could have been the perfect combination of SSR, YKK, and maybe some Ima, Soko ni Iru Boku with the themes of the futility and tragedy of humans fighting each other over the scraps of resources remaining in their dying world.
But instead the show just resigns itself to being 80% moe shit. A bit of slice of life is certainly perfectly fine in a show that's going after the mono no aware aesthetic but when you overdo it it just becomes another moe show. I'm not saying it would have been easy to do all of that in a single cour but Sora no Woto could've balanced its different directions much better than it did. And no, the bits of foreshadowing throughout the series don't keep it from being incredibly jarring when they suddenly try to jam in a serious plot in the last two episodes.
...
Personally I'm okay with a post-apocalyptic show being less about despair and conflict over dwindling resources and more about people's daily lives. I mean there's nothing wrong with liking shows where it is all about the despair and conflict, I like a number of those myself, it's just that it's nice to have this too. I'm also fine with some things being hinted at and teased rather than focused on, though I will admit it would be nice to have an OVA episode or two to explore those a bit more.
I want to love her paternally while she loves me sexually and eventually wears me down until I give in and accept our abnormal relationship because it makes her happy.
>Only two characters have much interest in music and the show itself isn't really music related even though it is important at points
So, just like K-on, then?
Based Lain poster
Enough talk
Who here ready for the next Sora no woto stream?
My calvados is ready
Hold your horses, there's still another 5 months at least
Best
Disagree. The first episode sets some wildly high expectations, which I still feel is much higher quality than the rest of the series. That episode ends with a crazy shot of a giant skeleton in the bottom of the lake, which hints at some crazy story and crazy darkness, and it was presented so beautifully that everything else that comes after feels like such a letdown by comparison, especially when you realize what the show actually is. It's still not a bad show, just not something epic like it could have been.
Although my analysis here is also a disappointment of the greater patchwork of dead genres of anime. The epic sci-fi/fantasy anime is mostly dead outside of a few tropy examples, so in retrospect it kinds hurts more that this was an early example of where anime was heading
It's too bad the world wasn't explored more. It was one of those anime that started with a ton of potential, like Eden of the East. Then they fizzled out in an awful fashion.
Just to add to what I said here, forced 1 cour in new or original anime is a major reason why epic sci-fi/fantasy anime are so rare now. A 24-25 episode, or more, Sora no Woto probably would not have been as slice of lifey as the 1 cour version we got was
Why did you have XP in 2010 LOSER
I think this describes the show perfectly.
I need a looping gif of Felicia shaking that corn back and forth
Breaking: Disgruntled PTSD war vet throttles corn
Kureha best girl.
h-hot
>people's daily lives
This, this is what I like the most about the show.
Most post apoc medias are too recent, so that it's just random savages fighting on the desert, or too far in the future that it's basically the author's excuse to have a detached fantasy land. The director's intention of making an atmosphere of 'rainy day with children playing in the distance' in the BD books is what made me pick it up in the first place.
Then again, it's still a post apoc piece, so they made every character have their own dreams about their future etc. but ultimately all that awaits are either death by war or by starvation.
Still, the biggest disappointment, the one I don't like the most, is that they never actually released the flute version of servante de feu in the soundtrack.
I really need to go pee.
*ring ring*
Reminder that refusing the disguised frenchmen was the correct thing to do all along.
Who goes to sleep like this?
My cute wife
Not just that one, it's missing several songs too
sweaty mechanics
I work as a mechanic and I've never seen anyone wear something like this to work.
>to work
Try sleeping with your coworkers.
I don't think HR would like that.
It's easily one of my favourite anime of all time
It is fucking dark as hell, but the point is that it's portrayed from Kanata's naïvely optimistic point of view, which makes it SoL-like on the surface until you think about it.
Consider the scene where Claus brings them the mail. What subtly happens in the background is that Kureha, being an orphan, is the only one who doesn't receive a letter, while the focus of the scene is on Noël's autistic joke.
Same. It's great and really underrated.
I wish i watched it sooner than I did, I can't believe I've been missing out on almost a decade worth of threads
I also can't help but tear up at Amazing Grace
I wish there was a full length version of just the trumpet solo
Obligatory repost
youtube.com
it isn't underrated its fucking shit. Watch more anime you delusional kyoto shit
You're both wrong, it was good but severely didn't live up to it's full potential.
Oh shit, that's Lili Marleen, isn't it? I only found out about it recently, when I was rewatching Strike Witches, and all this time I never even realized it's the same one. I feel like something in my brain just clicked really loud, It's the same exact story.
The details are really well done. Also, it freaked me out when I discovered that the ghost in ep2 actually existed.
bump
I've seen this image posted in most SnW threads, but are there more? I've never seen one for the other episodes.
Try the wiki or look for this year's stream's threads, I think someone was dumping them.
Basically every girl
Felicia is one of my favorite characters in SnW for the precise reason that she's a Mama Bear sort. The fact that she's tender and loving towards her kouhai but will kill anyone who tries to hurt them gives her an uncommon edge among characters like her.
And she also gets them drunk and abuses them.
But that's wrong
Who wouldn't?
I want to abuse kanata so badly
>ywn tell Kanata to watch the phone while you know they won't call that day and give her a lot of booze and a clownsuit so she pees herself in the most embarrassing way
Woto's only issue is its ending itself which is a complete 180 from what the show is about.
Shifting gears thematically at the 11th hour to have an epic conclusion does not jive with the series.
Kureha's virginity should have been mine. It isn't fair.
>Kureha's virginity should have been mine.
Well, at least you still have your own virginity so it all balances out.
What makes Sora no Woto such a mainstay in Yea Forums board culture? You could tell back during Speculah the show was special for the board but I'm surprised it's lasted this long.
But there is? In fact, I'm pretty sure they have a massive list of them somewhere in Geneva.
Thanks but it's just not the same.
For me it's the Rei clone
Anything else I've potentially missed?
Kureha is really sexy
Another example that comes to mind is the Roman soldier who, according to Colonel Hopkins, they couldn't get any information out of because of "an accident during interrogation". When you think about it, what Hopkins probably means there is that they tortured the soldier to death but it isn't really made very obvious.
Truly the thinking man's Woto.
Did she take the Desert Wolf's knot?
Find out in season 2!
The piss episode
Maybe I'm just an idiot but I felt clever when I noticed that Kureha realized Klaus wasn't the real Klaus when his shirt flew open during the typhoon and his tattoo wasn't there.
I wonder what happened to the real Klaus, did he die in the war or something? I would have thought Kureha would think it was strange that a very highly decorated war hero at the rank of Major would be a glorified mailman.
>I would have thought Kureha would think it was strange that a very highly decorated war hero at the rank of Major would be a glorified mailman.
Kureha isn't exactly the brightest maiden in the fortress
cute azusa
Kureha should get brown like Azusa.
Kyoani was truly shameless copycats.
>The episode where she had to pee
One person's "bad tonal issues" is another's juxtaposition, I honestly thought it was one of the better parts of the series. I agree that the plot was rushed, but this is something that plagues SOL in general. You've created a show that is a snapshot of the characters every day lives, so any sort of overarching connecting drama feels tacked on to that. Nobody wants to just have _nothing_ for the plot, so something just gets stuck on as an afterthought. It was cool visually, but pretty shallow in every sense other than the worldbuilding and characterization (becuase those are the two things the show was meant to be in the first place, a well built world with fleshed out characters and nothing else)
It might have been better had they dropped the grand plotline altogether. Any plot should have been more about the characters themselves, rather than the outside world. They could still make it dark (i.e. focusing more on Noel's past and subsequent healing), but the tonal shift wouldn't come off jarring.
I completely agree, I think that someone along the line with stuff like this, some producer goes "What do you mean there's no plot?", has an aneurysm, and some sort of overarching big drama with a conclusion is tacked on.
If not for that episode, I probably wouldn't have as big a watersports fetish as I do today. It helped me realize how much I truly liked that.
>tfw ywn constantly offer kanata drinks under the guise of encouraging her to stay hydrated and then purposefully take her out to places where there are no bathrooms
She can pee in my mouth anytime
>user does his bit to fight desertification
What's SSR?
Særlig Støtte og Rekognosceringskompagni
Shoujo Shuumatsu Ryokou
AIJOU YUUJOU
>you used to tease her whenever she would go into the bushes to pee but now she does it so often that when she goes to use an actual bathroom you ask her if she's sure she wouldn't rather go outside instead
I really love the sound of the ED even if it did shit on the whole anime tonally. They really should've swapped it out for something more somber during the sad/tense episodes.
I JOE YOU JOE
I would have been better if they played the song once at the pivotal time. I think they play it on like three or more occasions and it loses its impact.
You don't realize how serious a mistake you just made
HOMO-EEEE
Disagree, the point of playing the song multiple times is to show people across the world have experienced it and found meaning in it. It was Kanata's first time actually playing it and that made it special enough.
I disagree. Hearing Kanata play it properly for the first time after we saw how much she loved the tune was a really touching moment.
Honestly, I felt that way after my first time watching the anime. It's such a memorable song that after you've finished the show, it almost feels like you spent a third of the time listening to Amazing Grace, but with every rewatch, it has bothered me less and less.
SORAMIREZ DO EVERYTHING
It was the first Anime to air in the 2010s IIRC. Also aired shortly after K-ON and Kannagi which were huge hits that it resembled stylistically.
The memes back then were so much better.
>This year
You mean next year
my favorite scene is when the get in the spider thing
SnW has an unbeatable and unique sound track that really fits the show
I always took that as world building. That the military is so desperately understaffed that even high-ranking individuals have to do relatively menial tasks to keep things running, which is also evidenced by how few people they have running this outpost. You could also see it as a hint that there is something or someone in the fort worth keeping an eye on. Plus, some people just like to travel. Higher ups will abuse their position to take an all-expenses paid trip if they have an office somewhere that's worth visiting.
Why does this A1 anime feel exactly like a Kyoani anime?
The character designer worked on Kyoani shows before.
That's part of it, but it also completely lacks that "good enough" and "mass produced" feel of an A1 anime. It's a comfy, slow burning anime that isn't made to appeal to the widest audience.
The design do look alike, but the visuals aren't nearly as good. Certainly one of the more aesthetic A1 shows though.
It was part of an initiative to create original anime.
Cute and comfy
cute and funny
Let us not forget about "Soramirez do everything"
>Rio's sister
>Tank-kun
>Rio and Kanata before Rio leaves
>Aisha
>Kanata at the end
I'm counting five. First time I watched it I did feel like the song just played all the fucking time, so they might as well have picked a song that's not as easily recognizable and make it recognizable by repeating it, but now I feel like there really wasn't a better choice, it just works so well.
Reminder that "Seize" is based on a real city.
The real city, Cuenca, is located in Spain and about three trainhours southeast of Madrid. Also Cuenca is way bigger as you can see in the show, where you only able to see the historic district. I visited Cuenca in 2010 for three days, simply made some photos and put them next to screenshots of the show. Enjoy.
The building where the girls live is a hotel now.
true. this is the entrance. And they have some great ham there
but no door that will lead you to the booze
I'm so glad this still exists. I thought it got shoah'd by a copyright strike years ago.
The wiki has a rar that has all of them.
I thought it has always been a hotel
I don't think it was built as a hotel.
You mean the Parador?
Yeah, but isn't it already a hotel a while before the anime even started producing?
Probably, I just meant it's an old building and it wasn't always a hotel.
Only 3/5, which is pretty good, I guess.
I want to marry kanata so much.
That's just what they want you to think.
She's already married to me, so I don't think that's possible.
Felicia is gonna be my wife!
So did they all get sloshed on Calvados while they were over there scouting? Cause I thought that was French.
I had a dream I met my waifu but she thought I was disgusting. However, my childhood friend Kanata was there for me. Not sure what my dream was trying to tell me.
I'm sure Geneva doesn't exist anymore in the show
This anime makes me want to live in a simpler post apocalyptic world with less people in it.
Who's you're waifu
>I'll never clean up after her
She's a nasty little bitch. Not good wife material.
How do you even have dreams with anime characters
Were you literally 2D-ified there?
>his dreams are like real life, comprehendable and even explainable
I envy you so much.
THat's pretty bad, if you cut yourself there's a big chance the foot will be infected with all the fertiliser and the dirt.
I found calvados in fucking poland of all places, there's no way you can't find it in usa.
>I found calvados in fucking poland of all places,
>What is the EU?
gdzie
Truly the greatest tragedy in all of this.
Sprobuj w jakimkolwiek alkoholowym sklepie, najlepiej w tych co glownie wina maja, moga nie miec calvadosa w stocku ale to nie znaczy ze nie zamowia go dla ciebie jak ich poprosisz. Zadzialalo w krakowie, zadzialalo w 100k ludzi miescie. Tez pomaga bys sprawdzil ich strony internetowe, bo wiele z nich oferuje calvadosa, choc co prawda duzego wyboru nie maja.
It's with the other types of Brandy in bevmo like you'd expect in the states.
I sometimes use the cheap calvados to make pie crusts instead of using vodka. Depends on the recipe.
God I wish I were Noeru's pillow.
God I wish I could pee into her.
Do you think they had pee orgies sometimes when they drank too much calvados?
We're not ending the thread on pee orgies.
What's wrong with calvados pee orgies?
We have them every January.
Maybe their uniforms got so green because Noel washes them in the bathroom after said pee orgies.
How strong is calvados? I don't drink alcohol but I'll make an exception for the 10th anniversary.
>Noel is a war criminal
usually around 40% ABV and upwards. really aged calvados is basically apple cognac
Don't be. Weird dreams are way funner than logical ones. I personally feel bad for other people who have mostly boring dreams like going to the grocery store or reliving a day of school, or having no dreams at all.
>The most I've ever drank before is beer
This'll be a fun stream.
Don't let the other anons trick you into drinking their "Homebrew Calvados", user...
Good calvados is really, really, really fucking delicious so it's worth looking up some tips on how to drink it, otherwise the strong taste of alcohol will just overwhelm you and it will be a waste.
Thanks for the tip, I'll look into it. Knowing me I would've just taken a gulp straight out of the bottle or something stupid.
Rio is so perfect.
>a full decade without comfy balloon adventures
Where did the fucking time go.
I wanted to see fun balloon rides exploring. Post the art book last page where they said they had so much more to show.
No it's not. Look in the brandy section. Only apply brandy made in France in that area can be called calvados, but if you don't care, you can just get a decent apple brandy.
Reminds me of that disappointing Q&A where they gave the classic P.R. of "we might like to go back to it someday, by which we mean we're pretty well done with the IP"
Is there even an audience for SnW now?
Only if you reveal they were reborn into a world after being hit by a balloon truck with harem antics.
New English/International BD re-release was only 2 years ago; they wouldn't do it without expecting an audience
Wasn't there also an April Fool's prank announcing a second season? Wouldn't that mean they know they have a dedicated, if niche, fanbase?
where's the owl?
I think Snw and Aria are my favorite anime.
Bless you user.
I thought it was supposed to be K-ON with guns
Why don't you have XP now user?
I miss it more every day
Now I feel sad.
XP was GOAT. No OS will ever come ever close to what XP was.
Because
those are her work clothes, she just collapsed.
Way to ruin my day.
Even for work clothes, they are pretty lewd.
>the war criminal wants to get married
I will marry her.
Just don't believe her when she asks you to try the new shower she installed.
Sounds like a win/win situation either way tbqh
>letting war criminals anywhere near little kids
Reminder that Felicia's big fat ass is wider than Noel's entire body
>bad tonal issues
almost like they wanted to portray the stark difference between what war feels like to people back home or even soldiers in small and useless detachments vs to soldiers fighting
can't erase what you've done or what you've witnessed being done to your comrades
ofc if you expect cute girls only or ptsd only you'll be disappointed either way
Why isn't she wearing socks?
We've been through this. There's nothing wrong with tonal shifts. Sora no Woto just didn't do it right.
Too much work to animate I guess? Anyone wearing those boots without socks would get blisters from hell, especially during that all day hike in that episode. I noticed that error too when I watched it.
I still can't figure out where the fuck the show is supposed to take place. The terrain, architecture, culture, languages, and Helvetia/Rome names all point to the northern Spain/southern France/western Alps area, except the map in the final episode apparently shows them to be in Japan and all the 'old world' artifacts and language are clearly from modern Japan. Which is it?
It's painful for me just to watch that webm.
I figured that most civilizations were destroyed in this future and the last few all clustered in the east Asia area of the world. The cultures in the show are European (the "Romans" even speak German and I think most of the other people in the show are supposed to be writing and speaking French but I'd have to go back and check) but they've since moved to east Asia, probably because of the somewhat apocalyptic setting. Most of the world is probably uninhabitable, or at least destroyed.
>I think most of the other people in the show are supposed to be writing and speaking French
They are, all of the actual writing in Helvetia is shown to be French, like on those little placards everyone wrote their wishes on.
I thought the agreed theory was that it was the nips who relocated to Europe, not the other way around. There's too much inconsistencies for it to be the way you say.
Noel is a tiny girl with a tiny frame. One could easily overpower her.
That could make sense except if they're in Asia there's no reason for there to be an old village made up of medieval Spanish architecture. Unless the Europeans who fled to the east for some weird reason decided to recreate that style when building their new towns instead of just using whatever style was used in Asia at the time or just using their own contemporary style.
This makes more sense, if the Japanese came over in the modern era but their culture was gradually replaced with European stuff. It would explain why there are still people with Japanese names even though the Japanese language doesn't seem to be in use anymore.
The Helvetians seem to use a mix of French and English. French seems to be the more local/colloquial language while English seems to appear on more official military-related documents, though some of the placards during the festival were in English as well. That would make sense if the western European countries ended up banding together into a NATO-esque alliance where English was used as the lingua franca but the local languages still remained in use.
It's not supposed to make sense, it's supposed to give you a weird sense of familiarity in a world that's not very familiar. Or it's lazy world building, depending on how you wanna look at it.
It's possible she is wearing socks but the socks get stuck inside the boots as she's taking them off.
What inconsistencies?
And now 7 is just about ready to join her.
I mean, really? I don't know where to start. Just read
The only inconsistency mentioned there is the medieval Spanish architecture, which isn't necessarily an inconsistency. Furthermore, I don't think we're supposed to read too much into each individual culture that plays some kind of a role in the setting, as I see it it's all there just to show that it's a mixture of different cultures. The Australia on Kanata's shirt would have to be an astonishing coincidence if you take everything at face value.
>I don't think we're supposed to read too much into each individual culture that plays some kind of a role in the setting
That would just be lazy world-building and I'd like to think this anime is better than "hey director-san, let's throw in random shit for no purpose whatsoever".
But it isn't for no purpose whatsoever, it's to establish the mixing of all the different cultures. What do you think the Australia was for?
Honestly, it's been so long that I don't remember every single detail, including what role Australia played in the world-bulding, but anything you bring up will be less of an inconsistency than medieval Spanish architecture in Japan.
The role that Australia played in the world-building was that apple cider was spilled on Kanata's shirt and the stain was shaped like Australia.
Oh wow, that totally proves the story takes place in Japan.
Wouldn't it make more sense that it just takes place in an alternate version of earth? Some other offshoot timeline from ours because it's, you know, fiction.
There's way more work put into world building than in your average anime, even if the end result doesn't make logical sense. It's a background for the events of the show, it's strangely familiar, it's distinct and it's mysterious enough to make you want to know more, but it's basically just a background at the end of the day. Rio's balloon adventures probably wouldn't be as exciting as many people think.
Would it make more sense? Sure. Would it also be a lazy and uninteresting explanation for something that could otherwise be a major aspect of the setting's lore? Definitely.
It proves that the anime is no
>better than "hey director-san, let's throw in random shit for no purpose whatsoever".
It's probably the most logical explanation though, isn't it? None of the other ones people are putting forward make any sense so I would just put it down to lazy and uninteresting.
It's much better than that. The setting's so interesting you can argue about it for a decade and not get bored.
How does that explain anything? It's pure hand-waving.
A stupid little joke doesn't cancel out all the unusually detailed world-building.
>A stupid little joke doesn't cancel out all the unusually detailed world-building.
How does the map in ep13 showing them in Japan work out with the show taking place in Europe?
So we have
>the entire setting and everything in it beyond doubt based on Europe
vs
>a single map
Gee, I wonder which inconsistency is greater.
The treasonous whores should have been executed. This is why women shouldn't be allowed in the army.
We also have
>all the ancient shit they ever find is Japanese modern era shit
Go fuck yourself, Hopkins.
Yeah, nips sought refuge in the area, hence the few nip names present.
He's kinda right though, even thinking of not turning over a POW when you're in the army is borderline insanity and it's only out of pure luck that they got away with it.
Irl they'd be court-martialed and likely shot.
And then decided to make their maps incorrectly as though they were still in nipland and conclude that Eurasia is no longer inhabitable? I don't know man, I think the Spanish deciding to import their old architecture seems a lot more plausible.
Yeah my other problem with that story arc besides the way it was suddenly shoehorned into the very end of the show was that it was sort of retarded and didn't make sense. The asshole officer guy was just a cartoonishly evil villain with no real motivation besides wanting to kill people but on the other hand I also didn't really sympathize with the girls when they suddenly decided to forget that they were part of the military just because they felt bad for some girl and didn't like their superior officer's attitude.
As far as the anime is concerned I think they'd get away with it irl since they averted a war and all, but if it actually turned out the Romans were invading for real then yeah, definitely.
Exactly, that whole part just wasn't done well at all. Hopkins needed some more nuance in his motivation of why he wanted to start a war, the Woto's, minus based Kureha, just came off as people who joined the army with no intention of actually doing their job and defending the country and just treated the whole thing as a vacation, minus early Filicia, but by the time of Sora no Woto she comes off as that way.
Building medieval architecture is certainly not something you'd do in a 20th century world-war setting now, is it?
Perhaps you're right. But then the whole world-building and all the related speculah we had over the years is completely meaningless, because the show never actually gave a shit. Or perhaps I'm right and the production team simply fucked up in a single inconsequential instance.
>speculah we had over the years is completely meaningless, because the show never actually gave a shit
Well, if the show did give a shit, we wouldn't have to speculah. Leaving intriguing but fundamentally unimportant stuff in the show ambiguous, especially such that no possible explanation makes perfect sense, is a sick viral marketing technique. Leaving stuff that actually matters ambiguous, on the other hand, just obfuscates the meaning of the show and makes it harder for people to approach it for no benefit.
>in a 20th century world-war setting
Nigger they have the ruins of a futuristic mega city next door, we don't know shit about Woto history.
Regardless of when it was done it's still pretty bizarre to think that a bunch of European refugees to Japan would decide to build an entire town perfectly recreating medieval Spanish architecture for some reason. It's much easier to think that that one mapmaker was just fucking retarded. Or maybe someone found an old map of east Asia and not understanding what it was thought it was of their own country and filled it in the best they could? It's clear that education and knowledge about the world aren't in a great state by the time of the show so it's not a huge stretch to think that a map might be inaccurate.
World-building is mostly flavor, it doesn't really add much to the narrative. There's no real right or wrong level of ambiguity either, provided the work maintains logical consistency, which encourages speculah, if anything. But if anything can ruin immersion, it's inconsistent world-building.
>Leaving intriguing but fundamentally unimportant stuff in the show ambiguous, especially such that no possible explanation makes perfect sense, is a sick viral marketing technique
You're probably giving them too much credit desu. And so was I, it seems.
Well pardon me for assuming this alternative timeline with seemingly not-too-distant point of divergence follows our universe's logic. Maybe it really doesn't.
It was good. Especially this part.
>ywn wipe up kanata's pee puddle with your tongue
why even live