Is Moe a real genre? Or is it a buzzword like Calarts style?
Is Moe a real genre? Or is it a buzzword like Calarts style?
Its originally a word to describe that warm feeling of wanting to hug and protect something that's being cute in some way.
Moe used to describe a feeling of wanting to protect something especially in the case of cute (vulnerable) girls. I'm not even sure if this was the original meaning but nowadays people just use it as a blanket term for anime with cute girls in it.
It was a character archtype, but when the narrative revolves around it it becomes a genre
It's used to become the greatest assassin
>character archtype
Not really, it started more as a theme of a story/manga/show/whatever you call it, of course it involved characters, but it wasn't the kind of trait you can separate from a character without having an effect in the plot.
But now, given how it encompasses whole works, I not only think it's a genre, but a super genre, due to the genres moe can't be separated from (ie Bishoujo VNs, CGDCT)
>is Moe a real genre
No. Moe is not a genre and never has been. It's just a glorified slang term for cute, especially used in reference to feminine character traits and actions, but isn't necessarily exclusive to them.
>character archetype
It isn't and has never been a character archetype.
>it encompasses whole works
Those works are generally regarded as Slice of Life by definition.
wrong
How can moe be real if anime isn't real?
Stop trying to make it something it's not, faggot. CGDCT SoL has existed since at least the 80s and nobody called it moe back then.
It's budding passion. It's a feeling best described as being so involved with any sort of work that you end up imagining your own different scenarios or ideas as to what will or what can happen.
literally just a term for cute shit
No, the genre is called slice of life moeshit and that is a real genre.
>Calarts style
not a buzzword
>ummm moe isn't a genre
WRONG. Moe has become the shorthand term for slice of life anime that relies on moe to carry the show. That IS a genre and you homos know exactly what belongs in that genre and what doesn't. Not all slice of life is moe, for example Haibane Renmei is a slice of life drama, Yotsuba and Azumanga are slice of life comedies. They don't rely on moe to carry the show, they rely on drama or comedy. However not everything that features moe characters heavily is moe anime, magical girl shows all feature moe characters but they're not moe shows because they're not slice of life. I hope that settles the dispute, thank you.
>show relies on comedy
It's a comedy
>show relies on action
It's action
>show relies on romance
It's romance
>show relies on drama
It's drama
>show relies on cuteness
MOE IS NOT A GENRE AND HAS NEVER BEEN
Okay, what do we call shows that rely on cuteness above all else? Or do we keep pretending those shows don't exist?
Except it doesn't just rely on cuteness, it displays this:
>Slice of life is the depiction of mundane experiences in art and entertainment.
And those experiences happen to be cute. You can have a comedy show that has characters doing things in a comedic manner but also in a cute way, you'd still consider it a comedy show.
You gave plenty of examples of what ISN'T a "moe genre" show, but exactly zero that are, just the standard sanctimonious "you know exactly what I mean so I won't say it" bullshit.
I can't think of a show that exclusively uses moe in slice of life that isn't also a comedy or drama of some kind.
>relies on moe to carry the show
But that would be disingenuous, many shows that may appear as such are SoL comedies (many 4koma) that rely on punchlines and character interactions to keep it entertaining.
Unfunny comedy and forced drama once in a blue moon don't change the fact that shows like Lucky Star and K-On are predominantly a vehicle for girls to go around saying "moe moe~" to please the gullible customers who are enthralled by the thought of cute girls uttering otaku slang as if it's the most normal thing in the world.
Does a character whose interests and jokes relate immediately to otaku fanbase really surprise you as to why she's relatable?
I personally find Lucky Star to be boring shit, but it also doesn't exactly surprise me that others could relate to some of the humor.
So it's only SOL comedy when YOU like it, if you don't like it it's moe pandering. Of course. I can't believe I forgot how the internet worked, thank you for setting me straight.
>Except it doesn't just rely on cuteness
So? Every comedy has drama in it, nobody goes around saying ACTUALLY COMEDY IS NOT A GENRE. If comedy is your selling point, it's a comedy. Yes even if it has drama or action in it. If cuteness is, it's moe
>gave plenty of examples of what ISN'T a "moe genre" show, but exactly zero that are, just the standard sanctimonious "you know exactly what I mean so I won't say it" bullshit
Really user? Do you really need someone to say "K-On is a moe show"? Well I'll say it
>So it's only SOL comedy when YOU like it
Be honest user, does K-On even attempt comedy? Most of the time it flat out doesn't. It's not about jokes, it's about cute little moments.
Lucky Star was one thing (although Haruhi was where the moespewing started, what with Haruhi's "muh moe youso" and Kyon misusing the word as if it meant fetish). When K-On and Nichijou then went on to have "moe moe kyun~" and Nano randomly saying "I think that's moe!" repeatedly, it became pretty clear that KyoAni deliberately used "SHE SAID THE M WORD MY FELLOW OTAKU" as their main business strategy.
That doesn't sound like a very sound strategy. I don't think many people say K-On's success is due to how relatable it is to otaku in particular (like other shows featuring otaku culture/interests/terminology). Regardless, I doubt saying moe a few times in your manga is going to carry it. Also they're adaptations.