Do you think this kind of fanservice drives the female audience away? You know...

Who cares about "inclusivity", just aim for good quality first and foremost.

Why would they read something that isn't targeted at them

While I agree, seeing pic related unfold was pretty hilarious.

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Wasn't all of Yea Forums throwing a fit when yuri and ice and free were immensly popular

And six years later, they got their just deserts.

>It's totally fine to cater to specific audiences instead of everyone.
Yes.

>Ironically, repeatedly doing this for different groups is what gets you good quality anime with "inclusivity"
Not at the same time. You can have different shows that cater to different demographics but you can't cater to everyone at once, simply because the things that one demographic likes is what one demographic hates. You can't run a halal restaurant and also serve pork.

They like it. My gf loves anime and loves lewd anime with fanservice specifically.

From the industry over all no. But in the specific manga/anime yes

>My gf pretends to like the things I like.

Fujos have their own show.
Some shows have their niche and there is nothing wrong with that.

No.

The shows had their own threads that were mostly left alone. In the first two weeks or so Free threads were still frequented by general audiences because it was a novelty at the time but shortly afterwards people stopped watching and also stopped caring.

Women are horny little perverts too.

Non lol her taste in anime is different to mine. She's always recommending me to watch harem shit or echii. She got me to watch 2 seasons of Shinmai Maou no Testament which is full of tits and ass, and tried to get me to watch Sword Art Online and HighSchool DxD as well.

I wanted her to watch Girls und Panzer, Madoka and Hidamari Sketch instead.

You just don't understand women, sweetie.

Its because of threads like this that you are seen as a fucking joke Yea Forums.

Girls only watch fujobait, are you new?

By whom? Your friends on reddit?

>lol
>muh gf
You need to go back.

>DUDE FANSERVICE BAD UGH
>some normalfag talking about his gf
By old Yea Forums

They think its mindless schlock for horny neckbeards, which is what it is. The same goes for ikemenshit that gets made for the other gender.

Honestly, you have an entire internet full of porn to fap to. Why ruin what could be a respectable series without this crap?

inb4 t. roastie/dilate/etc

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We all have waifu like that.
But we don't call them girlfriends.

>Honestly, you have an entire internet full of porn to fap to. Why ruin what could be a respectable series without this crap?
This has already been discussed to death. Are you a newfag?

Your right, I'm not from Yea Forums. I'm from /biz/. I just came here to see more news about the KyoAni fire and see if any more directors are confirmed survived. I will be leaving soon and wont come back.

>My gf

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Everything doesn't have to pander to everyone.
This is like complaining fujo anime have too much fujo fanservice.

Why is Yea Forums full of libtards sjws? Im worry about you guys. You are but one step behind the people demanding stuff to be censored

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>drives the female audience away?
what a loss! I can't enjoy the series anymore!

>this kind of fanservice
What kind? Nudity? Fanservice is good when it's drawn well or doesn't take away from the plot but most fanservice fucking sucks.

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>THIS DOES NOT CATTER TO ME SO IT SHOULD NOT EXIST

>manga is written by a female author
>MC teases and frustrates the steadfast and collected main girl in every second chapter, plays with her like a toy
>it frustrates her so much that when he shows the single moment of weakness she mouthrapes him
Female authors are the biggest perverts.

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literally who cares

based loliposter

honestly i don't remember her tits being that big in the first volumes and in the anime

>What kind? Nudity?
When the female character is dusplayed against her will and/ or is defenseless , also humilliated like in the OP

It's about pandering to the otaku incel.
Women don't even come into the calculation.

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Oh no!

what will we ever do without normies like you on this board!?!

Based libertarian bro

What manga, user?

It is fine, trying to pander everyone will just get you pic related

Be glad that no matter how shit manga is, it will never be as shit as western comic

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Sounds like what tons of women get off too desu Senpai.

It can be done well

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I think female authors also do this kind of fanservice, it's a japan thing

Also the embarrasment it's cute

Vanitas no Shuki, from Pandora Hearts author

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>normies

Am I seriously the only person in this thread wondering what happened to her bottoms?

Sounds like the first chapter of any shoujo romance ever.

>female audience
Lmao, females have no interests on their own.

Women actually enjoy not having any will, being defenseless and humiliated

>Do you think this kind of fanservice drives the female audience away?

it was way more prominent in the past

Yes. For example I have a lot of female friends that hate the female MC design from the new Fire Emblem and will choose the dude instead

>This is obvious from reading any manga

You are friends with tumblr resetera subhuman and you should kill yourself.

;^)

no

To be fair it's not because it's revealing and more because it's a stupid design.

Not him but her design is shit

>tumblr resetera
this is outdated now grandpa

Teach me your lingo, toddler.

By that same logic do you think fanservice with more dominant elements drives females away since the female is in a position of power? Honestly the whole "Kyaaaaa I'm naked oh no" schtick gets annoying in high volume. I'm all about the "I'm sexy and naked and I don't give a fuck." kinda thing.

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>It's totally fine to cater to specific audiences instead of everyone.
Absolutely yes. No one owes you the time of day to make you feel included you entitled child.

You can genderswap this and it's also great.

Not really the guy's design just looks way better

Boo hoo. Read different manga. And don't the gall to think it has to change because it offends some people.

Boobs grow if you grope them, everyone knows that.

I wish it was true for penis

I'm literally intrigued that this got past an editor of any kind.

>I think female authors also do this kind of fanservice
Female mangaka don't do this KYAAAH shit as far as I'm aware

No. Most women don't care about naked/sexy women in anime and they are very used to it. It's the men who get anxious when there's something even remotely gay.

Nah. It's more of an artist thing. Most women are bisexuals or attracted to the female form, at least in part, and when they draw sexy things they tend to draw what they consider attractive. You'd be surprised about the number of US female artists who drew pin-ups in their spare time.

They're far less likely to do hardcore porn, though, and none of the extreme stuff. "Hardcore", in that context, being a somewhat hazy border, but shown penetration is rare.

Or I should say it's more of a displacement of what the artist consider acceptable and not. Sexualizing minors is perfectly okay for most female artists I know, as long as there is no penetration. Some of them can also be real weird on the BDSM stuff, with slavery being a common thread throughout. Even extreme slavery. And some even appreciate guro, of all things, as long as it is done "tastefully".

The rule here is not being gross when you decapitate women, or being really funny.

It's a bizarre line, but male drawn porn tend to be violent, graphic, and painful - while female drawn porn tend to be slightly weird, focused on slavery, and tastefully demeaning, sometimes to the point of guro.

No hard rules thought.

Yes, female mangaka make the girls want to be stared at rather than getting embarrassed.

I find it more amazing that when a group is pandered too this hard, they typically cry that it's not enough, or good enough. It's so in your face that it's overtly offensive.

>It's a bizarre line, but male drawn porn tend to be violent, graphic, and painful - while female drawn porn tend to be slightly weird, focused on slavery, and tastefully demeaning, sometimes to the point of guro.
Piggybacking off of that most male drawn porn is about the body while female drawn porn is about the emotions behind the actions

if 1/5th of all women are into submissive roleplay. That shows that at least all women have a proclivity toward being submissive. Just because some die hard kunts hate men and want to be contrarians shouldn't stop the majority from watching what they enjoy.

Women like to look at nice well proportioned female body the same way dudes like looking at a well muscled man

Source : grillfriend

Only the western female audience but that's a good thing

Of course they fucking do

>KYAAAH shit
Why do I keep seeing people acting like this is something horrible?

It's cringy and no real female ever did it

It's true. It's called jelqing. You learn new things everyday huh?

What did he mean by this?

It’s not looking for a female audience.

It’s retarded and hackneyed

Maybe some, sexually dominant women are a small minority.
Femdom stuff is by far a male-centric fetish.

Meme, 0 proof and fucks up your dick.

Why are big-tiddy redheads always such massive sluts?

This was SFW. Is a mod going crazy?

Not if there's a female audience who likes both kinds of fanservice.

Jelqing is both hilarious and sad at the same time.

Probably ABIB

Well, you were asking about examples of women who like male fanservice. It doesn't make any difference at the end of the day.

It's just obnoxious and embarrassment doesn't turn me on.

>Female audience likes when the female character is naked and mortified

It's a good opportunity to make the MC look like a gentleman by looking away

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Or the MC can just undress too.

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>grandpa
fuck off zoomer

>Do you think this kind of fanservice drives the female audience away?
I hope so, western women are an absolute cancer, I'd replace them over a cute asian trad waifu anytimes. Western women are the reason why Sony has to censor their shit just to appeal to them because "objectifying women" is "wrong".

Also I'm pretty sure japanese women don't even give a shit about fanservice. And if they were they'd state their discontentment.

Anime is not a hobby for women.

Only insecure western women are bothered by that kind of shit.

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You contradicted yourself you mongoloid.

Seems we got our share of butthurt insecure fat ugly MGTOW retards as well. Bummer.

I agree and I'm a woman.

Yuri on Ice threads were mostly left alone
Free had some more shitposting but like with everything people get bored 2 weeks in

why should you care?
not everything appeals to everyone
genres and niche things exist for a reason

>bottoms are suddenly gone and she hasn't been aware
Literally my specific fetish.

Well, that itself depends on the kind of male fanservice girls enjoy. Not everyone likes the same level of it.

I think you're underestimating how much some women enjoy nudity and lewd situations. Go on Lover's Lab and half the people in the sex mod forums will be women, except for The Sims where women are the vast majority of users. There are femanons that regularly play Koikatsu of all fucking things. Sure, most "normie" women would be put off by manga fanservice, but that's true of normies in general. The ones constantly complaining about sexualization just don't like the medium to begin with and use fanservice as a vector to attack it, that's all.

They don’t. Nip feminists strongly support the anime, manga, and even hentai industries because a large number of women have made careers for themselves as illustrators/mangaka. They care more about actual societal issues (working mothers getting canned and similar things) than their media in general.

For the record, there are some who are not driven away and some who drawn in (lesbians, bisexuals).

I say the creators should simply refuse to give a shit and just do what they want. Let the women who are driven away go read or watch something that appeals to them. Inclusiveness is bullshit.

But how?

No, I bet there are females that fantasize about being in that situation.

I don’t give a shit. It only bothers me when the author makes fanservice the girls’ only personality trait because it’s bad writing.

Going off of that sengoku era isekai manga, which has a female author and a noticeable amount of beefcake, I can only assume it does a little, but a good story papers over minor issues like that.

>I'm sexy and naked and I don't give a fuck.
Why is this so hard to find? Even in hentai? Can you think of any examples?

>anime that objectifies men and gives lots of male fanservice to women.
Please name some examples. A-asking for a friend.

>Do you think this kind of fanservice drives the female audience away?
dont know, dont care
roasties can stay toasty in hell

What do female anime viewers think of this scene?

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Fujo-bait and yaoi anime duh.

Those don't objectify men. There's barely any nudity other than one or two half-censored asses and they often have more qualities than being a talking dildo. At least the ones I know are.

>FREE! wasn't sexual objectification
Is your barrier for sexual objectification "Nudity"? Most female characters are more than a talking pair of breasts even in fanservice series, and most nudity is censored besides.

First thing that comes to mind is Yoroichi's first human scene in Bleach.
youtube.com/watch?v=tZqiJAe0C38

It was hot.

The supremely competent Father figure (with tits) fingering the helpless badmouthed girl when she moans away in sheer shame and disgrace. Trying desperately to deny the shame of her own body, and failing, which add just another layer in the whole ordeal.

Would have appreciated less tits on the father and a skinny guy, but it's all right, I guess. Not into punishing mothers.

Once read a blog where the chick who wrote it admitted into getting off on Kill la Kill's bondage and mommy stuff. Shit was crazy and bitch was too.

Not real ones

>What is Yuri on Ice
>What if Free!

It does drive me away, but I'm not complaining because I rather what something that I like than complain about something that was not meant for me anyway.

Don't be a retard. If women don't have to be naked to be objectified, neither do men. And you think most men like how they're portrayed in fujo-bait shows and yaoi?

>And you think most men like how they're portrayed in fujo-bait shows and yaoi?
Not him. I don't give a fuck. Why would I? Women and fags can fap to whatever the fuck they want.

Link?

tried to find it

key words are "ryuko,gamagori,ass,flogging,bondage"

good luck

How is that a "vulnerale position"? She accidentally flashed the guy, so what

Actually found it. Wonder what happened to her site.
web.archive.org/web/20131205185745/http://sekijitsu.com/2013/12/01/kill-la-kill-9-a-primer-to-bdsm-philosophy-and-a-kinkier-take-on-klk/

I clicked this thread because of the image without reading your post first. I'd say it brings in males

oh my fucking god
why are left wingers like this

This is like moetron, but for a different audience.

What accent is most appropriate to read this in?

Most women seem to think its the guy's fault in situations like that. I have personally seen a female colleague flip out and start yelling at a male colleague because we were out for lunch and the wind blew her skirt up, and the guy saw her underwear.

West Coast College White Girl

Post more examples. I'm fascinated.

Are you an anime character?

Naturally.

>most men
Then my comment wasn't about you. So fuck off and ask for attention from someone else.

I would guess that's feigned so they can pretend to be pure and thus more desirable as a sexual partner.

At least that's the reason manga authors make their female characters do that.

Those men are manchildren whiny faggots that no should listen to.

Girls who watch anime don't all have the same taste, like guys who watch anime don't.

Yet female manga author's don't do it, curious

Go away fujo.

Maria > Mio

I'm a straight man with high test. You on the other hand are an insecure little bitch.

>forgot image

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Whatever you say incel.

The can't beat the 'third leg' bro

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>with high test
if that were true, you wouldn't be wasting your time on Yea Forums

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Gotta do something when your mom can't take it anymore.

are these all from the same sauce? if so, which sauce?

Who cares, ENF is best

>I'm sexy and naked and I don't give a fuck
That makes them a slut. Which will drive away the male audience.

is there any way for you to not be a faggot? if not, kys?

>projecting

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aww, you think you're insulting

Do women find lolis being sexualized offensive? Talking about straight women, not lesbos.

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Nope
Girls like tits and ass. much as guys do.
SJWs are just insecure

Out of all the nerd hobbies anime and manga have the most females I've observed and its been that way since the late 90s. Probably because there's something for everyone.

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Almost every woman is BITTERLY jealous of any woman who is younger than them.

This is a doujin

Not sure what the implication would be if true.

It drives me away, but mainly because it makes me hard and I'd rather just rub one out to something on my sadpanda backlog instead of wasting my time getting blueballed by a shitty story with nothing interesting outside of the fanservice.

>normies
You have to go back

Says you. I like me a good slut. Weak willed girls who fumble over themselves and have almost no sex drive bore me to tears.

You don't try and pander to literally everyone at once and that is why there are shows for girls and shows for guys rather than trying to fuse them all together.

I think she is just humoring you because you are scared of accepting just what a massive faggot you are
>yeah bro I jerk off to body builders all the time, totally straight

Not him, but same goes for everyone. Fuck on, attention seeker.

fuck off to /r9k/

Most don't care, really.

based.

Who cares, it's a shonen manga. They should know what they're going into and should be happy to get what they can out of it. I don't read shoujo manga and rage at the stuff in it. Westerners are just entitled as all hell and make demands of shit that's not make with them in mind.

>She didn't even notice she was naked.
God I wish I could do that, but I'm a guy. Looks liberating as fuck to go to the beach wearing practically nothing.