Besides Jiren, who's the strongest mortal character?
Dragon Ball Super
Hudson Davis
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Oliver Nelson
The leaks... I can sense them...
Carter Lopez
Undefeated.
Ryder Miller
Probably Broly. There's some characters that are stronger than Broly, (MUI Goku, fusions which MAYBE includes Kefla, etc,) but all of them are temporary existences.
Joshua Jones
Gavin Parker
Connor Perez
I’d just like to remind everyone here that no one can defeat Son Gohan ‘Heihachi’ Calvo, who, under the tutelage of Dr. Gero and Dr. Brief’s (along with Gohan’s unmatched intellect), have achieved the impossible; Chadhan, besides his mastery of Mishima-ryu Kenka Karate and every single form of martial arts known to man, has now modified his own genome and he now has the Devil Gene.
Eli Cook
based chadren. I just like messing with gokufags.
Cameron Sanders
Goku(stronger than Jobren)
He is shaking from sensing the power of Goku or Broly reaching U11, not sure
KEK
Lucas Scott
Enter Champa
Liam Howard
Worthless character.
Adrian Phillips
Yeh, there's a reason that Broly vs. Jiren has been the main focus in a lot of the shitposting. They're also both rather similar characters in some ways:
>GoD-tier mortal fighters
>strongest dude in their respective universes
>stoic
>tragic past
>antagonistic, but not villains
Luke Brown
>I'M GETTING FIRED UP
Eli Stewart
They're also opposites in the color wheel
Jackson Sullivan
Less than 4 days until GOAT
Justin Miller
Imagine making a character so strong that you literally have to write off the method that was used to even match him. No need to imagine, look at Chadchad cha CHAD
Wyatt Ortiz
Spoilers from Ryokutya:
>Molo's final wish is revealed
>at the end Molo leaves without even needing to finish Goku and Vegeta (2-0 already?)
>Molo's ultimate goal is apparently revealed too, though he is still hiding something
>Vegeta has some "prideful prince" scenes
This also means the current arc is probably lasting until November since each arc ends in the middle of a volume (the number of chapters each volume covers is always 4 since the number of pages per chapter stabilized) and volume 10 only covers until chapter 48
>volume 9: chapter 41 (Ultra Instinct), chapter 42 (Battle's end and aftermath), chapter 43 (Joining the Galactic Patrol) and chapter 44 (The escaped prisoner Molo)
>volume 10: chapter 45 (Molo's magic), chapter 46 (Namek in decline), chapter 47 (Dragon Balls stolen) and chapter 48 (Molo's wish)
>volume 11: chapter 49 (Outer space battle), chapter 50 (this chapter), chapter 51 (August chapter), chapter 52 (September chapter)
>volume 12: chapter 53 (October chapter), chapter 54 (November chapter), chapter 55 (December chapter, new arc) and chapter 56 (second chapter of the new arc)
Jacob Ramirez
Broly's main color is clearly yelow-green/lime
Jordan Powell
If we define “mortal” as “no godly ki or explicit claims of godhood/demonhood/other supernatural status” I’d say Golden Frieza.
Adrian Hughes
I feel like i've seen top left panel somewhere else. Did Toyotaro trace again?
Isaac Murphy
It's the JobberFace™
Angel Cruz
*Gets beaten to shit by SS1 Broly*
John Cook
“The red text beneath the battle scene pictures are Goku's words, and they read:
I've never seen such an amazing opponent... S-so strong! Beaten up by the strongest ever, Broly.
The exact words used to describe Broly here are 「史上最強」, which literally translates to "most powerful in history", or rather the strongest ever. Yet another article that confirms Broly is stronger than Jiren (and solidifies his superiority to Beerus even more).”
Colton Gray
No.... Jirenbros what? How could this happen to us...
Julian Barnes
>keeps baiting with his 2018 ad magazine
Depressing. No wonder they take anti depressants
Anthony Brown
MANGA Plus will upload the new chapter this Friday, user.
Austin Reed
Kneel before me.
Nathaniel Watson
That's just an excuse to sell the movie. Also
>Goku's words
Doesn't mean shit since he probably already forgot about jiren and Vegeta nor Frieza said anything about Broly being the strongest.
Dominic Turner
Well considering everything remotely close to any previous thing ever is a tracing for delusional toeikeks like yourself I would say it's another "tracing", just like this one
Aiden Reyes
>We also know more about the real plans/objectives of Moro, and Ryokutya is surprised and says "all of this, just for that?" Surely there is something else to it.
>"all of this, just for that?"
This better not be completely stupid, Toyotaro.
Julian Russell
>h-he forgot Jobren even when he mentioned him at the begenning of the movie
Kek keep coping Jobrenscoundrel
Lincoln Wilson
yes mommy
Ayden King
>>We also know more about the real plans/objectives of Moro, and Ryokutya is surprised and says "all of this, just for that?" Surely there is something else to it.
Will probably be a shitty prank to kickstart a goofy side of him, cringe
Sebastian Walker
I just want to know to laugh at the Toyomongs and the shit writing
Lincoln Clark
>N-NOT BASE GOKU DAMN IT NOOOO
Thomas Morales
Does MUI have godly ki?
Ryan Davis
Look at Goku's hand, it doesn't even correspond to his shoulder. Based Tracetaro fucking up in every panel.
Cooper King
You can do it already.
Aaron Barnes
What made you like ssb?
Evan Lopez
AHHH NOT A DEATH BALL FROM BASE FREEZA
Camden Barnes
Inb4 "muh tweet" SHITrentards start spamming gibberish and outdated street promos.
Owen Lopez
>already forgot about jiren
Haven't we all?
Gavin Reyes
>Jiren barely keeps up with base Goku and base Vegeta
>Moro destroys both
Thank god the ToP ended already, what a shitfest and what a shitty antagonist
Cooper Barnes
Easton Ross
He deflected it you speedreading taco. Can't even shitpost right KEK
Oliver Adams
Ryder Hall
>Chadren is main topic in every thread
Imply some more, RTHing cuck.
Jack Harris
>leaves himself open deflecting an attack that he should be able to tank and jobs
Pathetic. The goat would never fall for such juvenile tricks.
Daniel Phillips
>all this coping
>CHADren bros remain calm as always
based
Josiah Watson
I'm such a fucking intellectual titan, holy shit.
Juan Ortiz
Based Chadro would just eat the attack and power up even beyond. Jobren should learn
Jacob Phillips
Since we are really close to the leaks this is last opportunity to guess what is Moro's goal. So, what do you think it is?
Alexander Edwards
Yeah, so much that they can only deflect like this pathetic cope of a post
Jeremiah Jackson
Nolan Evans
that was easy.
Luis Garcia
>Yea Forums threads with the sameschizo spamming everyday means that SHITren hasn't been forgotten by the majority of the fanbase
Christopher Ramirez
>gt
>super anime
>db and z filler
nice try
Tyler Powell
Jason Richardson
cope shiteater.
Cameron Mitchell
We know so little about him that is really hard to guess.
Wyatt Russell
Maybe just kill all the gods and have the biggest dick in the universe
Brandon Hill
THANK YOU BASED 17
Brayden Moore
BASED:
>GODku
>GODgeta (Gogeta)
>GODza
>GODly
>Moro
>Piccolo
>Buu
>Krillin
CRINGE:
>JOBgeta
>SHITgito
>KEKhan
>JOBren
>The Bug
>Yamcha
>Tien
>Gotenks
Zachary Cooper
Get rid of both, keep kefla.
Carter Butler
Cant wait for Cell to come back so we finally have a excuse to give Gohan another power boost
Nolan Torres
kefla is at the same level as gohan don't even.
Logan Price
Full Power Gohan is SSB+ tier, he's already plenty strong. It's Piccolo who needs a fucking boost.
Andrew Campbell
it's green. which is the oposite
Kayden Cruz
i never liked him, i just go used to it.
Jordan Watson
just have Piccolo absorb some really strong namekian again
Leo Foster
>getting rid of two garbage characters for a doubly garbage character
Nolan Allen
this.
too bad kefla's clothes fucking suck. what happened. toriyama was fucking amazing with the clothing design of characters
Carson Gomez
Based
Christian Thomas
>Tien in in cringe
weak list
Alexander Thomas
I'd take kefla if she was rewritten but otherwise I despite both andnonky tolerate kefla. That's moslty due to design alone.
Isaiah Jones
There are so many things they could bullshit up to put him up to SSB tier but I guess Tori/Toyo would rather keep him on the lookout making stern faces.
Ian Myers
A quick tribute to those dumb enough to focus on the subjective of the objective.
Chase Taylor
*instead of
Time to rest up.
Anthony Long
he was cool in DB/Z but his role in Super is pathetic
Lucas Baker
I don't have a problem with her clothes. Her design compliments it. Its the clothes without fusion I hate. Caulifla's is garbage and Kale's is too simple. But I loathe the skinny saiyan designs overall.
Nolan Roberts
I can´t argue against that cause its true
Jose King
Another Vegeta move. He was fine until he switched to Goku. Bad mistake.
Connor Martin
>kills himself to win
>still loses
Kek, what a bitch.
Brody Green
baste
Jackson Smith
>bitchku isn't cringed
bullshit list for bitch boys who get raped by their wives
Jose Phillips
>then defeats a stronger version of that foe
MEGA BASED
Ayden Miller
Matthew Sullivan
>Porunga, grant my wish... Bar Jiren the Gray of Universe 11 from this universe. If he interferes with my plans, my failure is assured. He's too powerful. Even magic is useless against him.
Gavin Walker
I wonder who could be behind this post
Andrew Jenkins
kek
Juan Smith
Didn't Hearts own Jiren like Dragon Ball's personal Dio?
Lucas Anderson
based forward-planning goat.
Connor Stewart
That was literally thanks to Goku, speedwatching cuck. If it was for that robot, it would have asked for a boat and everyone died.
Ryder Green
What made you like ui?
Camden Richardson
REEEEE TORIYAMA IS TRACING1!!!!
Joshua Morris
Would have liked it, correction tolerated it if it was used once.
Jordan Scott
he can do it without dying now. cope.
Ayden Davis
>peak spic posting time
>Europeans are asleep
>all of sudden the thread gets filled with brolytards
Really makes you think
Julian Foster
Bros... Do you feel that? What the fuck is happening? I can feel the space-time continuum shaking... Time itself is trembling, caught in the grip of a maelstrom of unfathomable power... The universe is rumbling like it's experiencing an earthquake stretching to the subatomic level... Reality is ripping apart at the quantum level... This titanic force is about to unravel the very fabric of existence... For fuck's sake, bros, INFINITY ITSELF is quivering... Who...what...who could be responsible for this? Who could possibly be so astronomically powerful as to...to...?
Oh... Holy shit... Oh, shit... SHIT
FUCK... OH, FUCK
Bros
BROS
IT'S HIM
Kayden Young
nice pits
Ryan Brooks
>Filled
4 posts
keep coping
Jeremiah Ortiz
Might as well serve another
Angel Lopez
seething
Isaiah Ramirez
non-canon
Ryder Roberts
No, mortals like Roshi and Krillin could feel it's power.
Ryan James
Whis >= LB Jiren >= MUI > Omen >= SSB fusions > FP Broly >= Beerus > Kekfla FP >= SSBKK20 = SSBE > GoDppo >= Hit > SSB
Everything else is nonsense headcanon.
Jason Miller
Longer, more eloquent and intricate next time please.
Julian Sanders
>p-please don't hurt me jiren sama!! you KNOW i can't go UI anymore!!
Ethan Williams
>doesn't deny it
kek. peggedku
Bentley Butler
Time for your medicine, Oujisama
Sebastian Hughes
>Whis >= LB Jiren
>=
Adrian Ross
This sounds about right. I'm guessing Merged Zamasu is around Kefla-tier?
Caleb Richardson
This.
Samuel Peterson
>he thinks Whis and Jiren are on the same level
I hate spics so much
Ryan Baker
Objectively correct
Chase Sanders
There's no feats or traits the angels displayed so far that is above Jiren.
Aaron Diaz
>LB Jiren >= MUI
Kek discarded
Joseph Brooks
M Zamasu is slightly above fusions.
Thomas Richardson
SSBE is better by pure fact that it can be maintained. Even when supposedly out of energy.
Landon James
You probably dont even know what >= means.
Easton Reyes
Above fusions? He lasted about a minute against Vegetto before he got skewered. If it weren't for his half-immortality, he'd have been dead right there.
Thomas Perry
kill yourself. goku is the only one that piccolo canonically penetrated.
Joseph Mitchell
You have to include his immortality into his ranking.
Austin Walker
i too enjoy non-canon things
Jordan Jones
>f-f-feats
None of the angels have ever been shown fighting seriously because they haven't ever needed to. They can literally oneshot GoDs at full power with a casual neck chop and they can effortlessly use UI, which Goku BTFO Jiren with even without fully mastering it.
>b-b-but Blanco was mastered UI
No it wasn't, otherwise he wouldn't have almost fucking died from using it. Stop with the retarded headcanon that Jiren comes anywhere close to the angels, there's literally nothing that suggests it.
James Price
>feats
Dubfag opinions shall be IMMEDIATELY discarded.
Robert Myers
>non canon filler forms
>non canon filler power-ups
>Broly not being stronger than Jiren, as established by the canon movie when Goku realizes that he needs to train harder after fighting Broly (this would make no sense if Broly was not stronger than Jiren)
Discarded.
Lincoln Long
Michael Jenkins
Why does non canonfag hate the anime?
Austin Diaz
>yamcha and tien on cringe
gross, otherwise pretty decent list
Jaxson Garcia
I don't hate the anime, I just don't take it into account when discussing canon power scaling.
Ryder Sanchez
Zeno >>>>> EGP >> Angels > MUI GOKU >= LB Jiren > SSB Gogeta > Omen > FP Broly = Beerus/Hakaishins > Kefla FP >= SSBE = SSBKKx20 > GoD Toppo > Hit = Golden Frieza = SSB
Christian Jackson
Chichi shouldve raised gohan to be a warrior.
Jeremiah Ward
So you're just biased? Why
Cooper Lopez
I'm not biased either. But when discussing canon power scaling, only canon sources are to be used i.e. not the Super anime, not Heroes, not games, etc.
Alexander Harris
SOON
Lincoln Jenkins
What makes the anime more or less canon than the manga?
Cameron Nguyen
Happened again in Super Dragon Ball Heroes.
Cooper Wright
People's preference, I guess.
Noah Perry
Manga power levels would be more like:
Whis > SSB Fusions > FP Broly >= Beerus > UI Goku >= Jiren > Other GoDs > SSB > Hit
Eli Myers
The anime ignores Tori's draft while the manga sticks to it while still maintaining creative freedom with Tori's blessing. That creative freedom can still be vetoed, obviously, such as the case of Belmod and Macarita being in a relationship, but the anime just does what it wants. Toriyama has complained about its quality, but obviously it's more broadly appealing since anime in general is a far more widely accessible medium. It's the same reason a lot of film adaptations of books attain significantly higher popularity than the books themselves.
Jeremiah Cook
The better recieved story and not Toyotaro's heavily criticized fiction
Gavin Scott
Zeno > EGP > Angels > SSB Gogeta/Vegetto > Jiren >= Broly >= high GoDs > Toppo/low GoDs = CSSB Goku/Vegeta >= SS Kafla = SS Kale >= Gohan > SSB Goku/Vegeta ~ Golden Freeza
The end. No LB, no SSBE, no SS2 Kefla, no SSBKKx20, none of that fanfic shit.
Hit was between SSG and SSB Goku/Vegeta at the first tournament, closer to the latter, but got an unspecified power-up for the ToP.
Charles Rogers
So what you're saying is anything can be canon if i like it?
Luis Ross
>The anime ignores Tori's draft while the manga sticks to it while still maintaining creative freedom with Tori's blessing.
>ignores
Both of them stick to the draft while maintaining creative freedom, you dingus.
Robert Campbell
>Shitdroid
Joseph Cruz
Keep
Caleb Sullivan
>FP Broly >= Beerus > UI Goku
You have no proof of that and UI Goku hasn't even fought Broly.
Matthew Adams
>Heroes
That's already a nope for me.
Colton Martinez
Coping.
Charles Anderson
Remember when people lost interest in Toyotaro's manga because the anime did the ToP arc better? Good times.
Luke Walker
What's our boy's maximum potential ceiling?
Wyatt Lewis
>the fucking lifeless NEET from OPM threads is here now
Go outside
Gabriel Miller
Roshi.
Andrew Wood
Hmm, that sounds good. I'm guessing UI Goku would be at about Jiren/Broly-tier, if not lower because Goku hasn't mastered it?
Adam Reyes
Cope.
Jeremiah Gomez
JOBREEEEEN for spics
KEKGETA for niggers
Grayson Adams
The only outline Toyotaro follows is the one he traces from Marvel Comics.
Grayson Perry
The ToP was an absolute garbage concept from the outset. The anime dragged it out to absolutely retarded filler proportions and the manga rushed the fuck out of it and had perspective issues everywhere. It's shit no matter how you turn it.
Matthew Parker
Is this a DB character even? Literally who
Isaac Ward
>literally no arguments against hard evidence
I know you're just shitposting, but I'm still disappointed.
Connor Thomas
Already better animation than most of Super.
Elijah Mitchell
HOLY SHIT BROS
youtu.be
Andrew Russell
UI Goku in the manga is pretty hazy. He kicks Jiren around a bit, but then the form runs out because he hasn't mastered it yet.
As for Beerus and Broly, Goku says that Broly might be stronger than Beerus, so I used >= because it's pretty ambiguous.
John Nguyen
>non-canon
>Goku losing UI happened in both the manga and the anime
C O P E
>The ToP was an absolute garbage concept from the outset.
>T-Toyotaro follows Toriyama's outline guise
C O P E
Matthew Rodriguez
clearly a Dragon Quest character
Gabriel King
The arc should have never happened or at least so early. None of the universes were developed so you didn't give a shit. Plus the outcome was pretty obvious and again no stakes.(not like there can be anymore) also having the most boring antagonist in db history.
Samuel Campbell
Anyone else legit sad that you couldn't have been a part of this in person?
Dominic Allen
Do you think coping is not agreeing with you?
Asher White
Your evidence is Toyotoro confirming that he's doing exactly like what Toei does while you're condemning Toei for doing the same thing?
And that he's a confirmed tracer?
Levi Nguyen
OMG MY SURROGATE FATHER IS SO COOL!!!
Samuel Lewis
Not by that much. Shida cuts were used in super too but sparingly. Same here only one cut in this episode. the rest of heroes is animated about the quality if Super
Lucas Diaz
He didn't say that UI is weaker than Beerus though.
Jason Richardson
BASED
Jason Smith
If you're not going to do anything but shitpost like a retard, don't bother responding.
This is basically how I feel. Jiren is a shit antagonist and the battle royale style of the tournament was absolutely fucking retarded, it was like they were trying to redo the good tournament arcs from OG while simultaneously removing everything that actually made them good. There was no room for development or serious fights, it was just utter chaos from beginning to end to the point where it was impossible to even give a fuck anymore.
What are you babbling about?
So you're either shitposting relentlessly or completely illiterate.
>t-tracing
I'm so bored with this meme "argument".
Jonathan Johnson
I was sad at the time of it yeah
Levi Barnes
Shida did better there than Super. Only the Broly movie outdoes that cut, but that's because it's a higher budget project with better QA.
Daniel Morales
powerlevel fags are cancer, so kys, faggot
Connor Jackson
Agreed, they shot their wad too soon. Now I feel like there's almost no reason to explore the multiverse, except maybe with a "Vegeta visits Sadala" arc. We've already met all their strongest fighters, so why should we revisit them in a fighting series?
Ian Carter
That doesn't make Shitro cool still, tacotarodog
Zachary Stewart
the difference is toyo still maintains the draft's integrity while integrating his own elements with tori's blessing while toei just goes off the rails and completely ignores it half the time you fucking brain dead autist, are you stupid??
Camden Bailey
>So you're either shitposting
You're a retard to frame him following Toriyama's draft then adding stuff as something different than what Toei does.
Also, he does trace.
James Rivera
Yeah, but in the manga it's a pretty limited form, at least so far. Goku hasn't mastered it yet, so the time limit runs out before he can finish off Jiren. For that reason alone, I'd say its probably not enough to take on Beerus or Broly.
n-no bully
Benjamin Garcia
Who? Spic, dafuq r u talkin bout? Toyotaro? He's trash. ToP is cancer and worst arc ever. Jobren is a kuck.
Eli Hernandez
Adam Taylor
Always has been
Always will be
Can I get a hoorah?
Jayden Peterson
>the difference is toyo still maintains the draft's integrity while integrating his own elements with tori's blessing while toei just goes off the rails and completely ignores it half the time you fucking brain dead autist, are you stupid??
Both versions are with Toriyama's blessing you absolute retard.
Adrian Evans
>deflecting again
I would rebut you but said pretty much what I would have said, if with far more ad hominem.
Brayden Jones
I thinkt he worst part of Jiren the most is that he had no interesting powers, fighting style or nothing. He's just strong and that's it. The only one technique he had and her rarely used it.
Super basically sped up development of stuff too fast to try to keep the escalation up to 100. Problem is non existent plot didn't help and escalating made it worse. Multiverae they spoke of is a joke and no one really cares about them especially since 80% of the fighters we're fodder.
Brandon Wood
>This is basically how I feel. Jiren is a shit antagonist and the battle royale style of the tournament was absolutely fucking retarded, it was like they were trying to redo the good tournament arcs from OG while simultaneously removing everything that actually made them good.
Meanwhile, in reality, fans loved the tourney but hated Toyotaro's version of it.
>Yeah, but in the manga it's a pretty limited form
Why are you using manga canon when the Broly movie uses anime canon?
Adam Harris
Based SAVIORcha
Christopher Edwards
Referring to the magical goat you dumb fucking dog
Matthew Bennett
>deflecting
Show me Toriyama saying that he hates the anime version.
Noah Lee
Based strongest ever!
Colton Robinson
>no reply to Toyotaro tracing
>no reply to Toyotaro doing the exact same thing as Toei but somehow Toyotards are justifying it as somehow different
Here, have another Tracetaro.
Matthew King
This is probably his longest cut that's Dragonball episode related i thinkt. I think he longest is probably zamusa vs vegeto in Super.
Jackson Mitchell
>Both versions are with Toriyama's blessing you absolute retard.
See, there's actual proof via interviews and corrections of Toriyama giving Toyo his blessing, while there is nothing of the sort regarding the anime's flagrant disregard of his drafts. Also, the ad hominem is a bit much, it really discredits your stance.
I sort of understand where they were trying to go with him--it's like they were trying to make Superman a DB character--but that concept just doesn't fucking work with DB, especially now that the power creep has gotten so insane. It completely nullifies any possible character development because the core of his character is "HIS NUMBER IS SO BIG HOLY SHIT".
>Meanwhile, in reality, fans loved the tourney but hated Toyotaro's version of it
See again the point of anime being a significantly more far-reaching medium. Of course it appeals to a shitload of people. Popular=/=high quality.
>strawmanning
I never said Toriyama "hates" the anime version, just that there is absolutely zero proof of him giving it the attention and blessing of the manga.
Gabriel Carter
>admits that Toei traces
>deflects entirely to "m-muh tracing" while not making any arguments
Yeah, you just want to shitpost. Last (You).
Hudson Gray
What a fucking hack.
Mangatards support the Mastar of DB adaptationd?
Jayden Long
>None of the universes were developed so you didn't give a shit
It doesn't help that most of the characters had shit canon fodder designs. I mean I would think that one of the goals of the series is to sell merch and action figures and shit. No one wants to buy action figures of literal joke characters. As much shit as Kubo got, the one thing he did right was make villains that looked cool enough to cheer for.
Camden Walker
On the bottom of it because the first solid hit Jiren landed knocked him out of it. High enough that he can cause damage when he strikes but low enough that he absolutely can't stand up in a straight fight without perfect skills.
Generally I just see things in tiers:
Angel tier:
>Whis
>Vados
>other Angels
"Stronger than a God of Destruction" tier:
>Jiren
>Broly
>probably Moro by the end of this arc
God of Destruction tier:
>MUI Goku
>Beerus
>Vermoud
>Quitela
>Champa
>most of the GoDs
Rookie God of Destruction tier
>maybe one or two of the GoDs
>Toppo
>Fused Zamasu
>CSSB Goku/Vegeta
>ToP Hit(?)
>SS Kafla/Kale
Blue Saiyan Tier:
>peak Black
>Gohan
>SSB Goku/Vegeta
>Golden Freeza
>LB Hit (U6vU7 tournament)
God Saiyan Tier:
>SSG Goku/Vegeta
>Old Moro
Liam Evans
>all this damage control
Meanwhile, you haven't proven that what Toei does is any different than what Toyotaro does (follow the outline with creative liberties).
Jackson Barnes
>T-Toei t-traces too
Oh, the C O P E.
Asher Carter
>damage control
Nice buzz phrase. As I've said, the burden of proof is on you, since you claim that Toriyama provides the same amount of leeway with the anime as he does with the manga.
Wyatt Gomez
New interview with Toriyama
Angel Gomez
>God of Destruction tier:
>MUI Goku
That's a huuuuuge
>implying
in light of MUI Goku putting Jobren in his place.
Luis Bell
Toriyama killed himself?
William Hill
>admits that Toei traces
Wait, when did that happen? Seems like (you) can't admit that Toyotaro traces and is a gigantic hack PLUS what he does with Toriyama's drafts is no different to what Toei does.
>the burden of proof is on you
You're the one who claimed that Toei somehow does things different than Toyotaro, retard-kun.
Jaxon Sanders
Goku lost MUI on the first hit and it was specifically noted that even blocking Jiren's punches was taking a huge toll on him. His Warp Kamehameha to the back, that decapitated Cell (who was stronger than Goku at the time), also didn't seriously injure Jiren. He's clearly not the latter's match in strength.
Ryan Rogers
>Toriyama literally draws panels and writes the dialogue for the manga
>people have the audacity to claim that the anime is canon over it because of tracing
jej
Justin Cox
Pride troopers were justice league/ranger parody. But we already had rnager parody with Ginyu force which did it better and justice league aspect was focused once or twice as mist did nothing relevant or jobbed.
The designs definitely didn't help their fodder aspects. I knew most would be fodder but you would at least think some were desonfed to feel like they are from different universes. Nope most were trash and only felt like they came from another galaxy at best. I think the Otherworld tournament felt more like a multi verse tournament than ToP. That's saying a lot.
Carson Brown
Levi Nguyen
Is this the weakest ending in the entire series?
youtu.be
Oliver Nelson
Nice [citation] there.
>Goku lost MUI on the first hit and it was specifically noted that even blocking Jiren's punches was taking a huge toll on him.
Goku had Jiren down then MUI went out because he still hasn't fully mastered it. Don't retcon shit.
Jace Evans
>Goku had Jiren down then MUI went out because he still hasn't fully mastered it
I don't give a fuck about the anime.
Evan Perry
>Multiverae they spoke of is a joke and no one really cares about them especially since 80% of the fighters we're fodder.
You read my mind, man. Obuni, the U10 dude with the picture of his family in his locket, was honestly more interesting than just about any of the other ToP opponents.
>Why are you using manga canon when the Broly movie uses anime canon?
Since when? None of the anime-exclusive forms like SSBKK or SSBE show up in the film, and what exactly happened in the ToP is left pretty vague.
Austin Perry
>When did that happen?
Pic related.
I submitted proof of Toriyama giving Toyo creative freedom while still staying within the boundaries of the draft. You challenged my evidence by claiming that Toei has the same privilege. Support that claim. Or don't you know how burden of proof works? Are you just looking to shitpost like that other moron?
Yeah, I got definite Ginyu Force vibes from them but without any of the charm of those lovable bunch of idiots. It was just another poor rehash, which accurately sums up 90% of Super unfortunately.
Robert Foster
>draws panels and writes the dialog
[Citation Needed] because that's not what said nor this implies. If anything, whenever Toyotaro has to make up something by himself, he resorts to tracing.
Nathaniel Torres
Z manga is uncanon.
Jackson Rodriguez
Christian Wood
>I don't give a fuck about the anime.
The anime is more canon than whatever Toyotaro traced though. Don't retcon Jiren's defeat.
>Toei adapting the manga is comparable to Toyotaro tracing Captain America
Based retard.
Oliver Bennett
I liked the music but it really does fall way behind "We were angels"
Andrew Roberts
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Ethan Bell
Looks solid to me.
Isaac Rivera
Guess Tori didn't check with Toyotora for that cover with the Captain America pose.
Bentley Ortiz
So that's a yes, you're just looking to shitpost. Last (You).
Matthew White
I see a good meal is on it's way
Chase Cruz
>adapting the manga
>literally tracing a scene from the manga to make a completely different scene in the anime which takes place years later
The absolute state of Toeilards.
Nicholas Anderson
>toei tracing is "adapting"
this fucking damage control holy shit
toeipoodles on suicide watch
Sebastian Perez
This only implies that Toei follows Toriyama's draft as closely as Toyotaro does.
Sebastian Richardson
I'm eager to see what sort of mental gymnastics you went through to reach that conclusion.
Owen Perry
Super fails because it made the same mistakes GT did but worse. Gt tried to combine aspects of Dragonball and Z but without knowing fully what made them endearing or with good direction. Super did the same where it tried to do callbacks, references and tried to combine the two yet it barely focused on its own. When it did it was laughably bad and barely developed.
Also the difrence between pride troopers and ginyu forvebis that despite their goofyiness they were still a threat. Pride troopers you don't get that as they are dispatched quickly or don't do anything. The only relevant ones was toppo, Jiren and fucking dyspo which all three failed to do.
Jose Myers
>sh-shitpost
see Toei probably follows the same corrections as Toyotaro does (hence blue-haired Trunks).
>Toyotaro stealing poses from American comics is "adapting"
Aaay.
Isaac Sullivan
it's actually one of the best ones, but Dragon Ball really lacks an ending as good as the Saint Seiya ones
Gavin Green
If Toei "traces" Toriyama or Toyotaro's art then adapts ridiculous canon like Trunks having blue hair, then they're following Toriyama's draft as closely as Toyotaro is.
Parker Gomez
>probably
>literal headcanon
COPE toeipoodle COPE COPE FOR ME
Caleb Diaz
>has more potential than every character in modern DB
Evan Powell
>The anime is more canon
Blake Stewart
So you're just biased and hypocritical. As expected. Nobody in these threads actually wants to debate, they're just redundant shitposting generals.
Kayden Lewis
Captain America is a scene from the manga Dragon Ball?
Grayson Watson
>Captain America is canon in the manga
Dominic Diaz
i love how desperately the poodles cling to this non-argument AHAHAHAHAAHHAHAH COPE COPE COPE COPE KNEEL KNEEL DOG COPE
Logan Cooper
I was talking about the Trunks scene you posted.
Angel Green
>biased and hypocritical
How is that a rebuttal of Toyotaro stealing a pose and IP that isn't his?
Levi Hill
I love how you moved the goalposts from "Toei and Toyo both adapt the outline faithfully" to "T-T-TRACING". I bet you thought I wouldn't notice.
Jonathan Murphy
I didn't post a Trunks scene. I'm pointing out how you're mistaking Toei adapting a scene over Toyotaro stealing a pose from Captain America using an IP that isn't part of what he's working for like the Dragon Ball AF tracer that he is.
Toyotaro's changes in the manga are as canon as the changes in the anime. Cope.
Grayson Rodriguez
That one's pretty cool. I'm only familiar with the 2nd opening of Saint Seiya. I just remember GT having the better outros.
youtu.be
Anthony Morris
CHADnime CHADnon
SHITnga SHIT SHITnon
CRY
Juan Brooks
Who has a canonically bigger dick, Jiren or Broly?
Charles Powell
CHADNIME
Zachary Roberts
>"Toei and Toyo both adapt the outline faithfully"
I haven't. They both adapt the outline faithfully and both change it when given creative leeway.
Also, Toyotaro is a hack that traces so any changes he makes in his version of Toriyama's draft is just him stealing ideas from Tori or Toei or anywhere else he can access via the Internet.
Bentley Bell
Who wins an eating contest?
Eli Foster
This. Toyotaro tracer fags BTFO forever.
Brandon Gutierrez
>a bunch of unfounded bullshit based on his biased viewpoint
>still no proof of Toei adapting the outline faithfully as compared to the literal interviews and screenshots of Toriyama personally overseeing and sometimes correcting the manga
I think we're done here.
>inb4 "T-TRACING"
Literally not an argument.
Ryan Gutierrez
you have to be absolutely stupid to not see how this is a homage.
>trunks is gohan's protegee
>different instances of them facing the same threat
jesus christ are you even a real person
Levi Adams
No goalposts have been moved. Toyotaro being a tracer is part of the argument because he's a hack and his changes to Tori's outline suck for the most part (like MUI Goku being turned weaksauce).
Jose Gray
never bet against a saiyan at an eating contest
Brandon Cooper
Depends on what they are gonna eat.
>Pussy
Broly
>Goku's hands
Jiren
Robert Watson
This is Jiji you dumb fuck.
Isaac Gray
>objective vs subjective
Weren't you taught the difference in school?
Brayden Sanchez
>homage
Is that your excuse for him tracing Captain America without permission? Or not knowing how to draw without tracing?
"Homage"?
>w-we're done here
Yeah, you keep quitting whenever it's pointed out that Toyotaro is a hack who traces and does the same thing Toei does when adapting arcs.
COPE.
Anthony Wood
that's the best one, you retard.
Jaxon Green
>tfw no big tittied CHADLYsis gf
Bentley Hughes
>objective
What is objective about you claiming that Toei does different than Toyotaro when adapting Toriyama's draft, you mongoloid?
Matthew Butler
>because he's a hack and his changes to Tori's outline suck
Really? I really need to spell this out for you?
Bentley Long
The Trunks scene we were talking about, that the other guy posted. My bad.
Nathan Young
GT had both great outros (that one is the best one) and intro
Jace Perry
Why is Toyotaro such a notorious tracer? Why can't Toriyama get a non-hack artist who can draw for shit?
Parker Harris
How do so little of them have the pose right
i hate anime
Evan Russell
This desperation is fucking pathetic.
Isaac Lee
Broly appears to have a massive Saiyan schlong, so him I guess. No wonder Cheelai was so into him.
Ethan Wood
As opposed to you claiming that Toei somehow does things differently than Toyotaro when they're both following Toriyama's outline with the freedom to add to it as long as Tori approved, moron?
Dylan King
>still absolutely no proof of Toriyama overseeing the anime as he does the manga
I'm waiting.
Christian Watson
HOORAH
Jose Mitchell
Keep moving goalposts.
>pointing out that Toyotaro is a tracer is "desperation"
I accept your concession that Toyotaro is a tracer and plagiarist since you don't even deny it.
Christian Bennett
>t-t-tracing
You dumbass shitposters always resort to this "argument" when you have nothing else to say.
Ethan Gutierrez
>as he does in the manga
You're claiming that he does less overseeing in the anime. The burden of proof is on you.
Jaxson Thompson
So you admit he's a plagiarist?
William Thompson
As I said, I presented evidence that Toriyama closely oversees the manga and you challenged it. The only one who hasn't presented evidence is you.
Elijah Bell
So you admit that you have no arguments left?
Anthony Robinson
Things I learned in this thread: Toyotaro is a hack.
Based Toei is more creative than Toyotaro.
Brayden Lopez
gotcha-fags are the cancer that killed Yea Forums
Ryder Russell
>As I said, I presented evidence that Toriyama closely oversees the manga
That evidence isn't evidence that Toriyama does less overseeing with the anime.
Burden. Of. Proof.
Jace Parker
Reminder that if Broly survived he would be stronger than every mortal, god or perhaps angels since his powers keeps growing nonstop and without training. He only got defeated and died because plotarmor.
Ethan Brown
>GoD at full power
That's what you call a Beer us sleeping, not fighting and not full power? Stopped reading right there you mythomaniac shitter.
Jonathan Morales
I'm not the one claiming that the manga is somehow more canon because Toriyama monitors it more closely than than the anime [Citation Needed].
There's actually evidence of Toyotaro tracing and being a hack at that.
Juan Hall
My dick is cold, transfusion with SHITren's ass and mouth, drop into fruitless dying
It was tempting and bared, the whoring pride Jobber rising
Now burning prayers, my silent time of winning...
Jordan Diaz
>if it's Broly it's not plot armor
>Broly growing stronger just because isn't plot armor but Goku and Vegeta getting stronger because of training is plot armor
You're a retard, huh?
Jack Edwards
J-jobrenbros why don't we have wenches on our side too?
Matthew Carter
HOORAH
Christian Roberts
>shifting burden of proof
Either debate honestly or don't waste my time with shitposts.
I've already provided evidence regarding how closely Toriyama supervises the manga while absolutely none exists that speaks of him providing the same type of oversight for the anime.
>t-t-tracing
You can stop now. If you have no arguments left, just say so.
Kevin Cooper
>remember [thing that never happened]
Ha ha yeah now take your pills
Jordan Phillips
ok, this one gave me a good chuckle
Jaxson Carter
>toeijuans in full shitposting rage before the chapter leaks again
Fucking clockwork
John Nguyen
We Jobrenchodes are only interested in big dicks.
Jaxon Sanchez
no wonder Cheelai wanted to pat his bulge
Justin Morales
Read again and cope again.
James Butler
Ryan Rodriguez
>toyoshitter literally crying for attention
Didn't even read.
Owen Sanders
Based
Stronger than Jiren
HOOORAAAH
Luis Edwards
He's a lonely shitter and need (you)s. That pic called "every goddamn thread" was made for subhumans like him.
Daniel Green
Will they ever become friends?
Isaiah Sullivan
>Hit = SSB
Angels shitters, everyone
Hunter Williams
>Two different universes
>Broly is busy banging his waifu on his own planet
>Jiren is busy posing with Toppo in latex suits
Nah.
Xavier Stewart
I don't think Broly has anything against Jiren, but why would he hang out with a boring ugly incel instead of fucking a cute tomboy slut with a big fucking ass?
Camden Myers
Remember, everyone, see how easy Toyopacos crumble when actually confronted with evidence and logic? It pierces right through their weak and stale propaganda. Now all that's left is them screaming and posting some stale paint collages.
Don't let these tacos trick you, there's absolutely NOTHING that officially claims the manga is canons. Why do you think DBS is the only manga in existence with this debate going on? Because it strays from the outline that Toriyama and the anime both follow, as proven by interviews. Not only that, but it has been called "promotional, adaptation and small contribution" by official sources and Toyotaro himself.
It is painfully clear that the manga NOT the source material, unlike every other series.
Don't let this little shitter trick you.
Nicholas Wright
They're both way too socially inept for there to be much between them.
Angel Morales
I don't know how heterosexual males can possibly like nushitly.
Camden Flores
By your argument, Broly had plot armor.
Caleb Collins
Cringe and discarded.
Elijah Baker
Wow, I won again.
Luke Clark
>banging his waifu
nice headcanon. much like goku, broly is too retarded to have any libido.
Noah Phillips
Nice source. Shitposting cuck. You got your (you) at least.
Jacob Taylor
He's tough as hell, has a cool design, and interesting dynamics with his father and Cheelai.
Goku has two kids, Jirenspic.
James Perry
Dude literally lived like an animal for all of his life and yet you came with this bullshit argument.
Noah Rogers
BASED AS FUCK. FUCK these literally 2 propaganda crazed lying spics.
REMEMBER everyone, it has been confirmed more than once that mangacucks are nothing but Gohanspics and Lizardcucks claiming the promo book is canon SOLELY because their characters did better there.
Kevin Roberts
The few panels he doesn't trace, he fucks up the perspective
Jordan Williams
Since Gohanfags are also Jirenfags, then this also makes Jirenfags mangacucks too, right?
Dylan Hill
>Jobren gets humiliated by base Goku and Frieza after being cheered by his boyfriend in CHADnime
>Jobren jobs to golden frieza which is less humiliating in Shitnga
ye
Sebastian Reyes
I don't know how heterosexual males can possibly dislike Yamcha.
James Harris
>Falling for that meme
Step it up, newfag. I'm a ToeiJirenbro and I don't even know what defeat means.
Adam Nelson
By having obsession in Jiren's dick and muscles and having the urges to talk about it everyday.
Isaiah Reyes
The villains in bleach look like shit. Look at those lame and lazy as shit designs.
Luke Kelly
Because you're always dodging and never actually trying.
Chase Wilson
gokufags, it's time for your assbeating.
Hudson Carter
>ToeiJirenbro
Oh man. When it rains, it pours.
>I don't even know what defeat means.
Toeilards and Jirenfags have been getting BTFO this whole thread.
Nathan Garcia
>By having obsession in Jiren
>as he replies to a completely unrelated post
The fucking irony. RENT FREE
Noah Barnes
>canon
DBZ Abridged
>non-canon filler trash
Dragon Ball manga/anime
Dragon Ball Z manga/anime
Dragon Ball Z Kai
Dragon Ball Super manga/anime
All movies/OVAS
Minus/Jaco
Jordan Rivera
>Can't even deny
Homosexuality confirmed.
Isaiah Anderson
Well I'm going to bed with a pearly white smile knowing that Chadrenbros won another day.
We cleverposted retards into blabbering literal nonsense like this cuck here Gonna lucid dream I'm in the ToP fighting alongside my bros Broppo and Broren. I can hear my girls calling me to bed from here.
Keep crying untill I wake up to BTFO you some more
Jace Phillips
>canon
Dragon Ball X
Lady In Red
Alternate Reality Dragon Ball
>non-cannon filler trash
Dragon Ball manga/anime
Dragon Ball Z manga/anime
Dragon Ball Z Kai
Dragon Ball Super manga/anime
All movies/OVAS
Minus/Jaco
Dragon Ball Minus
Dr; Slump
Neko Majin Z
Juan Cook
Nice try, but that copypasta only works if you've actually disrupted a thread. We've all been discussing powerlevels.
Ryan Myers
Bait
Bait
Leo Barnes
>Running alway
As usual.
Ryder Hernandez
Away*
Damn auto-correct, and for real this time.
Matthew Lee
neko majin is unironically not canon.
Wyatt Collins
>335 posts
>48 posters
Nathaniel Ward
>M-MUH IPeePee
Jayden Gonzalez
Replace it with Dragon Ball Abridged then.
Andrew Lee
Post your favorite canon moment
Dominic Wright
Whatever, this counts
Owen Brown
As usual, the jirenfags are unable to deal with the canon material.
Ryder James
335/48 = 6.9791666666
How dare people post seven times.
Joseph Garcia
Vegeta's Namek killstreak in general is great, but for some reason him owning Jeice has always been one of my favorite scenes.
Josiah Thomas
Fine sheesh
Dylan Thomas
is this, dare i say... 2-0?
Isaiah Cox
>O yes! Broly lost to a super saiyan blue fusion! Literally lost to the guy who defated Jiren on his base form plus two and on blue!
Charles Scott
i never implied i was a Jobrentard, Keklydog, you started it
Bentley Lopez
Tyler Brooks
>Denying the obvious
Why are Jirenfags always so coward? They deny canon material, get out of conversations, etc
They also was Gohanfags but jumped to Jiren after facing so much humiliations.
Jeremiah Perry
Zero They died before any of them can beg
Daniel White
what's wrong with you? did you got anally fucked by a Jobrentard? and they say Keklydogs are the superior one
Caleb Kelly
Thanks for confirming my point.