Let's settle this right here, right now. Who's the strongest? Goku or vegeta? And why?
Dragon ball super
Andrew Sanders
Colton Cruz
Goku, pic related is why
He's the fucking MC of the story why would he not be the strongest?
Carson Green
Undefeated.
youtu.be
Aiden Lewis
he'll never use that again. cope.
Evan Adams
Unless (Canon) Goku suddenly gets a more controlled UI, Vegeta.
Blue Evolution going by how well they did against Jiren is around the same level as Blue KKx20, but without the same downside of BKK20.
There are some people who argue that because Goku fought in the ToP longer that he got a larger Zenkai, but in my opinion even if he did there is one simple fact. Vegeta can master Blue Evolution, but BKK will always hurt and drain Goku's stamina which is essential.
Nolan Collins
Jack Nguyen
>not found
The absolute state
Jordan Cox
Luis Miller
>BKK will always hurt and drain Goku's stamina which is essential.
That hasn't been relevant since the U6 arc Goku's the strongest
Evan Price
I'm hoping the next chapter reveals Goku has Perfected SSB like Vegeta (evolved).
This would help Evolved fit into the movie continuity by retconning it to be that both of them were using an evolved SSB.
So far we haven't even seen Goku fight this arc so time will tell.
James Morales
Goku is literally the only one who tries.
Dominic Price
>Hand-to-hand technique: Goku
>Don't think, feel: Goku
>Ki technique: Vegeta
>Anger bonus: Vegeta
>Bullshit asspulls: Goku
Isaac Evans
Angel Hernandez
Are you joking? He was constantly going in and out of Blue Kaio Ken against Jiren.
It's clear the problem is still there.
Anthony Adams
so who's going to be the next recycled villain
>Cooler
>Android 21
>Cell
Personally I hope it's someone obscure that nobody wants, like Bojack.
Carter Robinson
Caleb Davis
>Hand-to-hand technique: Goku
Wrong. Vegeta has been called the fighting genius, and it's true. It's just that power is king and Goku 90% of the series has had bigger numbers.
John Garcia
I'll never understand how hitting someone that trusts you from behind counts as a win.
Hunter Powell
Trusting Vegeta is for losers.
Jace Diaz
>Are you joking? He was constantly going in and out of Blue Kaio Ken against Jiren.
And yet he showed literally no strain
He turned SSBKK on and off like a switch without any strain compared to when he used it in the U6 arc, that strain is obviously gone now
Nicholas Roberts
>Inb4 ">voredroid" post
Aiden Roberts
Vegeta's hand-to-hand combat usually involves trying to brute force as much as possible. Goku's Shaolin Kung Fu is more technically beautiful.
Ethan Gray
He used it again in Heroes.
Gabriel Smith
Quints of truth
Nathan Bennett
>Cell is a southpaw
Based
Landon Jenkins
To be honest the times he was called a genius where just because of AT will. When he defeated 19 he was called a genius by piccolo even though the only thing he did was to tear his arms, thing that anyone with common sense could do. And outside of that, i don't remember any other time he was called a genius or showed to be a better fighter than goku
Levi Harris
Daily reminder that the jobgeta poster is literally only one person that posts the same images with the same file names with the same rebuttals and same arguments. at least shitren and jobly fags have an actual fanbase who likes them unlike the jobber prince and his loyal dog with no life outside these threads. Remember, don't give (you)s to him
>inb4 loyal dog posts edited version
Jackson Wilson
Benjamin Harris
Reminder vegeta can't transform into evolution blue anymore
Joshua Johnson
>even though the only thing he did was to tear his arms, thing that anyone with common sense could do
That's the opposite of common sense, though. Common sense would be to do it at a range since 19 and 20 were incapable of field absorption like Super 17, ideally through Kienzan or just brute forcing it through Ki blasts. Vegeta let a guy that drained all the energy from a Super Saiyan in relatively short time grab him, just so he could tear off his arms. That's fucking stupid, but it worked out so he's a genius.
Julian Parker
>android 21
video-game meme character
>Cell
wouldn't add anything to the story, he was just some bug man created in a cave by a mad scientist
>Cooler
Now that would be interesting, since we could know a little bit more about Freeza and Cold's past.
Robert Edwards
Ironic that in DBS Goku never fought to protect while being Vegeta's main motivation as a family man.
Gavin Nguyen
>That's fucking stupid, but it worked out so he's a genius
Just like Goku vs Yakon.
Benjamin Richardson
>wouldn't add anything to the story, he was just some bug man created in a cave by a mad scientist
With the DNA of all of the strongest fighters that ever came to Earth, five of which were Saiyans (Raditz, Nappa, Vegeta, Goku, Gohan) and one of which was Frieza. Three of those individuals have God Ki. It would add just about enough.
Jaxon Stewart
QUINTS OF TRUTH.
WHAT HE SAYS WAS SAID IN HEAVEN, AND SO IT SHALL BE TRUE
Tyler Adams
Enter PERFECTION
Josiah Richardson
Perfect jobber.
Luis Allen
>goku in sub is a redneck
>goku in dub is a retard
What did Toriyama mean by this?
Adrian Brooks
More like Perfect Streak.
Ayden Barnes
>goku in sub is a retard
>goku in dub is a retard
What does it matter?
Julian King
Goku is so strong because he has tard strength.
Robert Campbell
Vegeta will counter UI with this
Levi Hughes
forgot pic
William Thompson
UAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Thomas Moore
kek
Kayden Smith
actually it's because he had his potential unlocked by Ultra Divine Water.
Grayson Garcia
Holy fuck
Jason Howard
"I seek that which lies beyond strength." - Jiren the Gray, intelligible, charismatic, a thinker
*Grunting, screaming and incomprehensible prattle* - Broly, an illiterate, unintelligent brute
>Who's the strongest?
Objectively speaking, Jiren is the strongest being in the multiverse.
>Who's stronger, Goku or Vegeta?
Vegeta.
>Why is Vegeta stronger than Goku?
Simply put, he's 2-0 against Goku.
Brayden Garcia
>AAAAAIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEE!!
>BEJITA-SAMA, SAVE MEEEEEEEEE!!
>BURORI-DONO IS BEATING ME WITHOUT EVEN GOING SUPER SAIYAN!!
Adrian Ross
*pops up in your recommendation*
Nathaniel Sanchez
>Bejita-sama over Goku
based
>QUEERen over Burori-dono
cringe
Carter Martinez
Brandon Allen
>Trusting Vegeta is for losers
Adrian Bennett
Like it's even a question, shitgetadog
Ryan Gray
> Y-YAMERO BEJITAAAAA!
Kayden Sanchez
>burori-dono
lmao
Brayden Perry
G-GOKU SAMA?
Daniel Cook
Jobgeta wouldn't even say this within the earshot of Goku
Ian Nelson
That collar broke as soon as he started powering up. Cope, Queerencuck.
Nathan Flores
The opposite actually.
Brayden Anderson
>Common sense would be to do it at a range since 19 and 20 were incapable of field absorption
Didn't 19 and 20 absorb goku kamehameha and vegeta ki blast? Or what do you mean with "field absorption"?
Lincoln Roberts
where did this meme come from that the MC has to be the strongest? that's not the case in most series.
Carson Jackson
Can you remind me when Goku beat perfect Cell even a single time? I seem to have forgotten.
Hudson Perez
kek based
Nathan Jackson
I don't get it
Joseph Morris
Goku is the strongest however.
Liam Sullivan
Not him personally no but through Gohan who was his trump card, and we are only talking about Perfect Cell here.
Jace Sanders
>ultra divine water
I've seen some posts mentioning the same. (Posts that i assume were made by you) what does ultra divine water have to do with goku tard strenght?
Ryder Roberts
I guess it's also Vegeta's win since his last attack gave Gohan the chance to finish off Cell.
Leo Jones
Fucking pathetic
Kevin Fisher
Everyone knows Goku will always be stronger than Vegeta, but Vegeta is a much better character than Goku.
Benjamin Parker
Wasn't Vegeta's master plan though, he was just desperate and trying to help. Goku's entire plan was Gohan and it succeeded. He didn't even want to extend his own fight.
Austin Gutierrez
Ultra Divine Water basically did what Guru did to Gohan and Babidi did to Vegeta (the mind rape was a bonus)
Parker Lee
t-t-t-t-t-t-two-zero, c-cuckufags. Watch me post the exact same picture and ignore the arguments like a jobb–CHAD, I-I mean CHAD.
Leo Green
This is the stupidest reasoning I've ever seen, suggesting Goku defeated perfect Cell because he threw his son in the cage with Cell.
Jose Barnes
>fights can only be won physically
Fucking brainlet.
John White
You're thinking of wars, Goku lost his fight by way of forfeit. Brainlet.
Cameron Jones
>"don't fear kakkarot! Your prince is going to save you from this evil bea- huh? W-why didn't t-that hurt h-AAAAAAAAAGGGHHHHHHHHH! SAVE ME FIRST KAKKAROT!
Robert Long
War is what it was. Fucking cope.
Juan Martin
Overall power goes to goku. Fighting
could go either way as both are pretty good. Vegeta is less forgiving then Goku and usually goes in for the kill. He's figured out opponents moves too but usually it's way too late by then.
Jordan Powell
>Let's settle this right here, right now. Who's the strongest? Goku or Vegeta? And why?
They're practically equals.
Vegeta won both times they fought for real.
But Goku will always be an infinitesimal because Toriyama's plot armor.
Finally, Vegeta is a much better character than Goku.
Jayden Perez
Isn't zenkai supposed to be meaningless once they reach peak performance, something they did long ago?
Henry Taylor
>Finally, Vegeta is a much better character than Goku.
Not really. You are just a retard who can't see a subtly good character that doesn't involve a change of heart.
Charles Cooper
Reminder that even Tien has beaten Goku and Vegeta hasn't.
Henry Butler
I remembered Vegeta once saying they reached their peak once and immediately one arc later refutes saying to zamasu saiyans have no limits. Really haven't seen zenkai from them until Black and Goku during the tournament arc.
Luke Gonzalez
vegeta has beaten him twice. cope.
Robert Collins
>words
cope
Andrew Martinez
based jirenchad
Gabriel Brooks
Without asspulls? Vegeta. With asspulls (db at its core)? Goku.
Sebastian Watson
>headcanon
>refuted in the same image
Would you put some effort into your shitposting at least?
Charles White
>Without asspulls? Vegeta
Based on fucking what? Goku is always ahead of him and there were never "asspulls" involved.
Adrian Hill
Gokufags vs Vegetafags
Jirenfags vs Everyone/Brolyfags
Gohanfags vs Cutegangfags/Buufags
Toei vs Toyo
Zamasfags no longer exist
Molofags vs canonicity????
Chase Barnes
wakey wakey vegetafags
Chase Thomas
IS there a limit to how much ki Dr.Gero and Android 19 can absorb?
Theoretically, could they absorb a spirit bomb?
Carter Fisher
silence, roach.
Joshua Walker
>Gohanfags vs Cutegangfags
does not exist anymore, broly vs jiren has supplanted that shitty cuckoldry
Gabriel Perry
>Molofags vs canonicity????
This is already settled though. The goat is filler.
Nathaniel Bell
You forgot one.
Brolyfags vs themselves
Justin Morris
Very funny you shitrenscoundrel, now kneel
Jason Wright
OH NONONONO HAHAHAHAHA TARDGETAS ETERNALLY BTFO.
Mason Russell
You keep calling me a Jirenfag but I hate that gray loser too. Keep crying, dogposter.
Aaron Morales
>Cellcuck
Now who would've guessed that? You bugs are non-existent. Anyway, that's kinda above the shitrendogs but is still very low.
Juan Roberts
Goku literally grew up in the countryside.
Aaron Reyes
Not the countryside, the mountains
Brandon Phillips
>"canon goku"
>proceeds to talk about blue kaioken amd blue evolution
user, i think you are either confused or just dumb
Adam Murphy
>still trying to label
I can do this all day.
Ayden Butler
>Shithanmaggot
Cope
Nathan Thompson
>JOBly, JOBku, SHITza, JOBgeta, JOBhan, MoroN, Buufags, SHITgang, Gaymasu, Cellcuck, Waifushits, irrelevant Human jobbers, Namekcucks, SHITroids, Jobbers of Destruction and featless Angels/Zeno.
None of these pathetic beings can be likened to the greatness of Jiren the Gray, both in terms of his unconquerable, unparalleled strength and in terms of backstories, because Jiren’s backstory was by far the most thought-provoking story to come out of any work of fiction.
Zachary Harris
Seethe.
Jaxson Foster
I won
Carson Jenkins
have sex
Julian Peterson
Man, i hope that the vegeta user comes back and doesn't end up getting another of his anxiety attacks. I will pray for him
Connor Gutierrez
i really hope we can all just call him stupid and see him throw it to Goku embarrassingly
Asher Hill
*loses an eye one second later*
Parker Collins
Is there a DB character who's both a chad and a jobber?
Carson Price
Vegetabros... chadlin posters are bullying us again... someone call the mods and tell them to stop this harassement!
Jackson Watson
unironically Gogeta
Anthony Bennett
i would say Yamcha but he's not relevant at all
Angel Thompson
>not relevant
But of course. If they give him screen time he does things like this. It's better for akira to keep him sidelined
Andrew Bennett
Jonathan Ross
Based.
Leo Lopez
Leaks tomorrow?
Brayden Evans
lmao
Robert Ward
>jirenfags are vegetafags
The absolute state
Brody Russell
Dragon Ball Thread.
Home.
Isaiah Moore
What the FUCK happened in that thread? It seems like two (or one?) Anons were having a discussion about goku and vegeta and reached 600 posts thanks to that. Is this what only two anons from the chads of Yea Forums den can do? I'm getting scared...
Isaiah Moore
Chads of Yea Forums
Chads of Yea Forums/nel
Chads of Internet.
Zachary Watson
of the dead?
Angel Miller
Wakey wakey lizardfags. Also:
CHADku>>>>lizardfags>>>>>>>>>kekgetafags
Xavier Sanders
whoa, spics and girls are so SMART
Leo Sanchez
>vegeta could only win against goku in videogames
How does this makes you feel
Jason Peterson
the stick doesn't break?
Hunter Davis
What the fuck is that? It's fucking terrifying
Hudson Morgan
>stick
Dumb zoomer. Go play xenoverse and let us play super butoden in peace
Gavin Walker
Seethin
Colton Howard
>second image
Lol. The absolute reading comprehension of vegetafags
Nolan Torres
T.
>tfw mods can ban you for posting this
Jose Rodriguez
Technically a win for Vegeta
Ian Young
>Xenoverse
you mean BT3 and Budokai 3
Easton Hall
T.
Matthew Foster
half accurate
Colton Scott
Aren't you tired of doing mental gymnastics? Anyway, explain
Benjamin Ramirez
Enter Moro.
Kayden Reyes
Where is this from ?
Jacob Wilson
Weren't we supposed to be getting an anime again?
Asher Martin
[Behind you]
Cameron Allen
A new movie* next year. No anime.
Benjamin Garcia
>veguis
Aaron Reyes
Shame. Less to tlk about with a 2 hour movie vs 20 hours + of content otherwise.
Andrew Garcia
What the FUCK is this ? It's horrifying
John Gray
Are you fucking retarded? Can you read English Pedro? It says "Enter Moro" you clown, use your context clues.
Jaxson Kelly
This is ruined by what pieces of shit Sean and Chris actually are. God dammit I hope a Vicfag shoots them or something.
Ryan Reed
OH NONONONONONO
Nathan Evans
Post characters who are undefeated against Shitrus.
Josiah Phillips
>Beerus is 2-0 against Trunks
LOOK AT THIS DUDE
Caleb Ramirez
Cope
Andrew Anderson
>dubbie
Nozawa and Horikawa are actually based, though.
Jayden Harris
>Who's the strongest?
Android 17. Canonically. He won the tournament of power. Goku is a close second though. Then Jiren. Then Vegeta.
Colton Cruz
0-2*
Levi Johnson
>Beerus jobbed to Trunks twice
This can't be...
Kayden Morgan
Kneel
Dominic Martinez
>Android 17
>Canonically
Anime-only wank isn't allowed.
Jaxon Ross
Kneel before me, dogs.
Julian Wilson
Oh so you want the manga.
*clears throat*
So then canonically... Android 17 is the most powerful. Since in the manga he won the tournament of power.
Christian Miller
Never!
Austin Young
Eli Rogers
basado
Gabriel Myers
Yes, it's airing later this month. Geekdom confirmed it
Hunter Torres
>17 literally does nothing but make a wish
Try again.
Liam Baker
Goku went to his bench before Jiren so Jiren should be second place in the tournament.
Ryan Phillips
>Toyopaco "art"
Jose Perez
>CHADROID SAVE US
you're welcome for being the MVP. played you retards like a fiddle then made the right wish to save everyone. you are fucking welcome
Brandon Howard
>moving the goalpost
Cope
Aiden Stewart
KEK
Tyler Nelson
Based
Brayden Cox
Manga leaks are here, where are you Jap bros?
ryokutya2089.com
Someone translate
Anthony Robinson
Finally, Moro's third wish is clear.
Huh! ?
One of the precious wishes is Sole! ? ! ?
If you can afford to leave Son Goku and Vegeta without leaving a stop ...
The purpose of Moro is also clear.
eh! ? ! ?
For such a thing! ? ! ? ! ?
Mr Moro, are you still hiding something? ....
Vegeta showing more and more princely pride.
It is too cool .... But it is ... ?
It is good to just quit it.
Luis Williams
I want real translations, not google's drivel
Cooper Gray
WHY does Toyo like to wank Vegeta so much? This villain isn't even related to him holy shit
Levi Collins
> One of the precious wishes is Sole
?
Camden Richardson
Soul?
Aaron Reyes
貴重な願いの1つがソレ！？！？
Kichōna negai no 1tsu ga sore! ? ! ?
I think it's just Google Translate being itself. Ryo didn't specify the wish
Blake Hall
Since when he lost his pride as prince?
Ian Mitchell
All I could get from it atm
Moro beats Goku and Vegeta, then leaves them alive.
Deja vu
Wyatt Sanchez
Keep moving those goal posts monkey lover. 17 won the TOURNAMENT OF POWER. He is the most powerful fighter in the known multiverses.
Brandon Brooks
He’s too boomer for vidya.
Grayson Price
Moar
Logan Nelson
> Moro was Bibidis Master
> Buu was created by Moro
> The "M" was for "Moro", not Main
Justin Stewart
Majin* fucking autocorrect
Aiden Reed
>it's actually Secondary
Nicholas Young
It says
>Trust in geekdom
>he knows when the anime comes out
>he has never lied
>he has 17 sources
>july 30th air date
>simulcast in every nation
Couldn't translate last line though, but the rest is close
Jacob Allen
Jonathan Perry
The last line says:
>Vegeta has never won against Goku.
Kayden Wilson
*has never not won
I'm retarded. Sorry.
Christian Rodriguez
*has never ever not won
fuck off autocorrect
Brayden Wood
based
Michael Johnson
>ATATATATATATATATATATATATATATA
Grayson Ross
Blake Williams
Let's hug this one out.
Blake Morgan
he's such a good friend. like a brother
Ayden Rodriguez
>Vegeta and Goku get beat by Moro
>Goku has SSBE just like Vegeta but it does nothing
>Moro leaves them alive
>Still nothing on the third wish
God this really is gonna be dragged out for the rest of the year maybe even longer
Henry Jones
it's a shame how the fans put more thought into the writing than the actual writers.
youtu.be
Leo Morales
>SSBE
Okay Xenoverse DLC has gone out of the line and i love it
Levi Russell
Did anyone who saw that part for the first time think he was gonna tap into another or higher form of ui for a split second?
Asher Nelson
no I thought frieza did it tho
Easton Nelson
True. Then again, Bulma doesn't exactly see things so conservatively.
Everyone gets a turn if they really want. It's fun!
Tee Hee!
Brody Smith
In related news to that It's still going to be getting free updates this year while waiting for Ultra pack 2 something called xenoverse 2 lite was announced for switch and SSG was found in the datamined files so either that is gonna be with the next ultra pack or it's just left overs for vegeta red
James Powell
about time, i'm starting to contemplate whether to get XV2 or not now
Daniel Ramirez
Lol you thought freeza was gonna double cross and hakai him?
Matthew Collins
seethe.
Thomas James
too bad she never puts out for all her flirting. took a genocide monkey to get her legs spread for real. fucking tease
Blake Gomez
>ESL babble
Gabriel Murphy
yeah basically
Jack Clark
How did an elite saiyan warrior lose to one lower class saiyan retard and a bunch of earthlings? Is he the Prince of all Cucks?
Carter White
>lose
cope
Chase Powell
He lost. Without Goku saving his life, he would have been killed by KRILLIN. Talk about Prince of all Jobbers.
William Turner
>jobs to the same character 5 times
who else has a losing record this bad?
Liam Watson
Based Chadlin
Hudson Martin
gokek.
>would've been eliminated in CSSB if not for Hit
>would've been eliminated in SSBKK if not for Roshi
>would've been eliminated in MUI if not for Vegeta
>would've been eliminated in base if not for Freeza
He jobbed FOUR times, back to back, in FOUR different forms, to the same guy.
Nathaniel Carter
Cute Pans!
Jonathan Morales
Ever notice both Pan's (which is one in the same Pan , of course) has similarities in design?
I put forward an example, Pan's orange bandana and Pan's red and yellow t shirt.
Both the same color and colour tones.
In exact correlation with xeno Pan's hair band and jacket.
None of which I have stated, can ever hope to dare be refuted.
Cope.
Gabriel Cooper
Did big words frighten you esltard?
Adrian Williams
God I want to headpat the exact Pan you posted in your picture! I want to remember if anyone in GT ever headpatted her
Julian Perez
CHADren one shots both of them
Jaxon Nguyen
William Rivera
Enter CHADren.
Christopher Ramirez
So fucking based
Blake Green
I don't know about all that, but broly definitely has a penis.
Kayden Foster
HOLY BASED
Benjamin Robinson
God I'm handsome.
Anthony Garcia
>can't even one shot the sex robot
j-jiren bros...
Adrian Jenkins
>my universe is fucked
>my girlfriend is dead
>my mom got fucking cremated in front of me
>man, I'm so fucking sad right now... OH SHIT IS THAT MARIO KART? C'MON GUYS LET'S PLAY
Owen Wright
They're about even.
But Vegeta jobs almost as much as Cuckhan.
Lucas Harris
Small Chapter 50 spoilers
>Moro beats Goku and Vegeta AGAIN
What the fuck? How many times can they job to this goat man
David Powell
As many times as El Cabron desires.
Anthony Morris
That image of Vegeta speaks volumes.
It conveys to me, he can not even tolerate even looking at his own reflection.
Samuel Martin
>Jiren kicks the shit out of goku, vegeta, frieza, gohan etc for ~9 chapters
>"Based! CHADren is the strongest!"
>Moro beats goku & vegeta 2 or 3 times
>"WTF WHY ARE THEY JOBBING TO THIS GUY AAAAAAAH"
based GOAT triggering /dbs/babbies
Jayden Moore
Fuck DBS! All this fucking shitshow does is have Goku lose to everyone
Fuck Toei
Fuck Toyotaro
And especially motherfuck Toriyama
killing Dragon Ball
Julian Long
Sebastian Richardson
Still undefeated against Kakarot
Jaxon Hernandez
I'm a Jirenchad and I like Moro.
Jace Clark
Based.
Blake James
good.
Isaac Wright
This answers the OP. No Vegetafags can dispute this
James Reed
Disgusting... Wth is that, Toyochads ?
Alexander Watson
> Low SS2 Vegeta VS SS3 Goku
Adrian Scott
who's gonna voice Moro in the inevitable anime/movie/vidya appearance?
Easton Brooks
Jouji Nakata
Ian Edwards
>Implying that Toeichads and Bandai will use Toyotaco's shitty fanfiction
David Wilson
this. Dub could be bruce carey (unless soibat decides he wants to do it)
Gabriel Powell
DELEEEETE
Joseph Hill
ENTER
John Moore
>dub
Liam Perez
> You're country
> You're favorite character
Argentina (Born in Germany)
Gohan nino
Elijah Williams
>Panama
>Pan
Thomas Gomez
Thailand
Jiren
Justin King
Congo
Broly
Anthony King
Brazil
Moro
James Ross
>Australia
>Pan
Charles Cox
Vatican
Kid Trunks, Kid Goten, and mh... Pan... Yes... Pan...
Isaiah Edwards
Morocco
Moro
Bentley Rogers
>USA
>Van Zant
Owen Wright
Based
Julian Hughes
Super Saiyan Purple ( Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan God of Destruction ) when
Josiah Cooper
Holy Roman Empire
Jiren
Adam Mitchell
What the fuck is that spicart shit.
Christopher Hughes
ryokutya2089.com
Like every month, Ryokutya ( Japanese Vjump leaker) gives us his short impressions on the upcoming chapter of Dragon Ball Super.
"Ryokutya says that we learn of Moro's third wish, a wish he says is surprising.
We also know more about the real plans/objectives of Moro, and Ryokutya is surprised and says "all this, just for that? Surely there is something else to it. Moro leaves before dealing the finishing blow to Goku and Vegeta.
Vegeta shows more and more of his "Prince" pride in the chapter.
Something unexpected is happening, (he exclaims in surprise and says he prefers that they drop this option)."
Carson Wright
Rough translation of Ryokutya leak:
>Ryokutya says that we learn of Moro's third wish, a wish he says is surprising.
>We also know more about the real plans/objectives of Moro, and Ryokutya is surprised and says "all this, just for that? Surely there is something else to it. Moro leaves before dealing the finishing blow to Goku and Vegeta.
>Vegeta shows more and more of his "Prince" pride in the chapter.
>But something unexpected is happening, (he exclaims in surprise and says he prefers that they drop this option).
Thomas White
Gonco
Lroby
Evan Miller
Maybe Moro wished to have a personality
Kayden Richardson
Danube Monarchy
Jiren
Wyatt Gonzalez
Chad
Jiren
Jose Hernandez
>We also know more about the real plans/objectives of Moro
>all this, just for that?
I assume it's gonna be something really dumb like mom didn't let him eat desserts as kid so now he's gonna eat everything in the universe. After all, Toriyama said he won't be doing complex villains anymore.
Jayden Davis
>all this, just for that?
2
CENTIMETERS
Josiah Bailey
>Vegeta shows more and more of his "Prince" pride in the chapter.
Lmao he's going to job again
Nicholas Morris
Honduras
Chadhan (Chadforce Arc)
Cameron Perez
So, Moro's wish isn't immortality then? Thank fucking God.
Michael Ross
>Goku and Vegeta jobs while Moro leaves again
B-BUT YOU GUYS TOLD ME THE ARC WAS ENDING IN A FEW MONTHS....
Jose Moore
There was no doubt
Juan Jenkins
>I-ITS JUST A FILLER ARC! THE ANIME IS COMING BACK JULY 30TH GUYS
Landon Jackson
But it is true! My e-celebs friends told me so! We are still in July last time I check! You are gonna feel really stupid when 2uper airs in a couple of days!
Leo Edwards
In a way, this proves that this is the final battle and the arc ends soon.
Nathan Fisher
>Moro leaves before dealing the finishing blow to Goku and Vegeta.
The arc just dropped from a 8-8.5 to a 6
Leo Hughes
>says he prefers that they drop this option
What did he mean by this?
Luke Lee
wakey wakey
Hunter Watson
How so? They're fucked, and Moro escaped who knows where.
Mason Gomez
would she let cabba in her gang
Ian Ward
only if he can sexually please her protoge as initiation
Brody Peterson
>Moro beats the marioku and luigeta
>tells them his third wish is something really banal like said
>flies off leaving them wondering if there's even any point tracking him down again
>they go back to train up just in case
>turns out he lied about his wish and it's actually something evil
>then there's another battle with buu involved somehow
Austin Long
without vegeta there to give him tips i don't think he could
Alexander King
>I-ITS JUST A FILLER ARC
Yes. Moro is a shitty inconsequential villain.
Eli Bennett
Moro spares them for the third time
Ethan Ross
Zambia
Broly
Robert Adams
Like Zamasu, like Golden Freeza, like Jiren, like Broly. This 10 years gap is a whole filler.
Christian Hill
THIS CAN'T BE HAPPENING. YOU'RE DEAD.
Gavin Wood
>more of a threat to the universe than every antagonist/villain since zamasu
(You)
Tyler Wright
what if vados wants to join
Nolan Carter
Cope
Landon Russell
>moeshit
Didn't even read lmao
Christopher King
HOLY BASED
Jose Price
>DBS 2 to be annnounced in september
>first arc: broly adaptation
>second arc: adaptation of Broly movie #2, should begin airing on tv just as the movie releases
The question is how much time is Toyopedro willing to spend on filler goat's arc, there's no way his promotional manga can handle skipping two entire movies of content.
Daniel Miller
How many times will Moro spare Goku and Vegeta before the arc ends?
Jaxson Powell
Based. Moeshitter BTFO
Kevin Hughes
Mexico
El Hermano de Geran
Josiah Moore
They retconned Uub with this arc, shitposting aside it literally cannot be a "filler" anymore
Ethan Lee
Anthony Hernandez
>Ruins your powerscaling thread
Isaac Hall
WHEN WILL GOKU KISS HIS WIFE?!
Logan Carter
I love FemDom, like Vegeta.
Christopher Stewart
I love GeekDom, like Jobrenfags
Gavin Walker
NOW !!
Xavier Collins
> Hiding behind another character
Cope
David Cox
LISTEN UP TOYOSHITTERS. NOBODY GIVES A FUCK ABOUT THIS SHITTY MANGA
FINNA DAB ON YOU NIGGAS
Cooper Sullivan
Back to the kennel at ONCE
Wyatt Morris
>great dabman
big yikes
Dominic Howard
Goku and Vegeta plan to give up their god ki to seal Moro's magic away
Logan Murphy
The U6 Tournament Arc and Goku Black arc have had literally 0 (ZERO) effect on anything in Dragon Ball in the anime.
Since you're an animefag, are those arcs filler?
John Moore
Vegeta is 0-2 against Normal(4th) form Frieza and died each time. Frieza is clearly the strongest.
Cooper Walker
Nice headcanon
Justin Ward
Wrong
U6 Tournament arc is what triggered Zamasu's autism and introduced Zeno
Black arc gave us another Zeno and led to the ToP
The Moro arc isn't a continuation of anything in DBS, instead it's a sequel to the Boo arc in DB
Adam Gomez
I like Dragon Ball Super.
Jaxon Gutierrez
>Black arc gave us another Zeno and led to the ToP
Second Zeno literally doesn't matter.
Jayden Richardson
I don't know what you guys are talking about, but Jiren is still the absolute strongest.
Mason Harris
The U6 arc introduced Zeno and other universes didn't it?
Sebastian Cruz
>goku and vegeta give up god ki to seal Moro
>get curbstomped by frieza
>next arc is frieza's takeover of earth while the other z fighters scramble to wish goku/vegeta back to life
Dominic Roberts
The 2nd Zeno is why we have the ToP.
Chase Perry
Beerus already mentioned other universes, and all of them showed up in the Universal Survival arc anyways.
Eli Wilson
the absolute strongest penis-less fighter in dragon ball super. Sorry, hit send prematurely.
Aaron Williams
Nice headcanon
Parker Green
Beerus iffy, uh, Goku got the UI, uh
Got the UI, uh, power level a trilli, uh
(Scum Gang!)
Fight these niggas in my base nigga, you a weak nigga
at my girl's with them god niggas, and them mortal niggas
You run up and they fightin niggas, we ain't tryin nigga
Yo Broly, you a loser nigga, up that power nigga
On the stoop, got my armor on, Kale at my door
She wanna train but turn her power on, I only want to brawl
Man that's really all I use her for, I kick her out the door
I don't want her, you can keep the whore, she aint wanna fight no mo
In West City my niggas don't chill a lot, my niggas train a lot
Come to earth, a nigga throwin' shots, I run 'em off this rock
Quarter trilli in my base form, I grinded for my spot
Niggas talking 'bout that cash but my armor worth a lot
I don't fight with no old hoes, only new hoes
Push my fist in her facebone, I pass her to my bro
I don't love her that's a sad hoe, she a bad hoe
I'ma fight her then I dash home, to the cash hoe
I'm on some fight a nigga shit, kill a nigga bitch
Do the dash in the whip, count the cash in the whip
I pull up with my fist, I let that shit hit
Shout out, but I fucked that nigga bitch
Beerus iffy, uh, Goku got the UI, uh
Got the UI, uh, power level a trilli, uh
Move milli', all my niggas on trilli, uh
Talk down, pew pew pew, you silly, uh
Hit a stain, fifty bands, all hunnids
Spinning through ya block like a pop shove-it
Fight me I'm fighting back, I'm getting buckets
I ain't wanna take his life but nigga, fuck it
I'm on some fight a nigga shit, kill a nigga bitch
Do the dash in the whip, count the cash in the whip
I pull up with my fist, I let that shit hit
Shout out, but I fucked that nigga bitch
I'm on some fight a nigga shit, kill a nigga bitch
Do the dash in the whip, count the cash in the whip
I pull up with my fist, I let that shit hit
Shout out, but I fucked that nigga bitch
Scum Gang
Jayden Lewis
>I KNOW THIS GUY MURDERED MY FRIENDS, BUT IT WOULD BE A BIG WASTE IF I DIDN'T GET TO WAKU WAKU HIM AGAIN
Jaxson Bennett
I wonder if they have an updated mural with Broly and Moro's events at this year's Dragon Ball Tour.
Kevin Butler
zeno said they should do the ToP at the end of the U6 arc.
Benjamin Roberts
Please help. I found this asshole, who was supposed to be my friend in bed with my girlfriend last night. I want to make his life a living hell. His name is Sean. His phone number is: 954-four93-threesix8five
Ryder Young
Sean sounds based
Blake Powell
>Florida
Of course you're a cuck
Levi Reed
>average Gokufag
Jack Martin
broly almost definitely, moro maybe not (since his arc won't be finished at that point
Kayden Roberts
Except current Gohan can one-shot Freeza.
Wyatt Cox
user = Brolycuck
Sean = JirenCHAD
Lincoln Cruz
can get one-shot by Freeza*
Colton Jenkins
Chads of Yea Forums =\= Your personal army
Lincoln Scott
>Black arc gave us another Zeno and led to the ToP
Nope, the second Zeno has nothing to do with the ToP. The Goku Black arc was a fucking filler that Toriyama wrote because they (the editorial) asked him to. He said so himself:
>> I put together this story based on a suggestion from the editorial office.
Joseph King
Sean sounds pretty based. Also, this is pretty much against the rules.
Ethan Cox
Fuck off Josh. Not my fault your bitch likes my dick more. btw she said mine is bigger lmao
Jose Hernandez
S-SHITrenbros...the gimmick goat was supposed to be weak...at this point he's fucking stronger than our boy SHITren...
Luke Jackson
Mor0 sama!!! P-Please let us live again!!
Parker Garcia
>all of a sudden there's a huge spike in Gohan x 18 porn
that's random
Oliver Wright
>btw she said mine is bigger lmao
Based.
Angel King
Ryder Foster
Wyatt Perry
What a coincidence, this is the exact same dude whose underage younger sister I banged together with my fellow illegal latino migrants the other day
Jace Martinez
The Emperor wins again baby
James Parker
Based CHADhan
Jordan Cooper
>animegirl.jpg
Listen to my opinion.
Bentley Williams
How fast would Freeza defeat Moro?
Justin Mitchell
Silence, pet, silence.
Hunter Anderson
That was to be expected since we didn't even find out his wish yet.
Ian Johnson
>that ESL wording in the title
Reekdombros...
Anthony Gutierrez
The joke character comedic relief Lizard would come crawling to Goku-sama for help as usual because he met a villain who is still legitimately evil unlike him
Henry Taylor
Cope Vegetadog
Xavier Howard
enter CHADren...
Ryder Ramirez
>jirenfags vs everyone
Found the seething Joblyshitter.
Nolan Ward
>How fast would Freeza job to Moro?
Sorry, my auto-correct is acting up again.
Jordan Moore
he'd last at least an hour
Brody Bell
based Godhan
Henry Cruz
>I'm straight and I like dicks.
Stop.
Asher Lopez
cope.
Benjamin Perry
nice non canon parody spinoff.
Zachary Barnes
>B-BEJITA SAMA, PLEASE GO EASY ON ME YOU KNOW I CAN'T GO UI ANYMORE
Benjamin Myers
Enter Jobza.
Luis Diaz
Enter Jobza
James Clark
cute tummy
i wish she was a better written villain oc tho
Lincoln Price
reminder Toyotayo canonized the MAX level bullshit from DBAF to Dragon Ball
when will he stop?
Noah Hall
based
Isaiah Peterson
Wait a sec, Goku and Vegeta together can defeat SHITren, but they can't win against SS Broly and Moro!?
Also Goku gets btfo once again and still no UI?
I was told that Goku needs to be pushed into UI, what's happening right now...
Angel Carter
>MAX level bullshit from DBAF
what
Easton Watson
>Goku and Vegeta together can defeat SHITren
never happened though
Bentley James
BOOM
Michael Gonzalez
Cucketa would still lose, no KK or SB to injure Freeza before he goes full power.
Chase Foster
Vegeta would have still lost if he went SS on Namek.
Jeremiah Wilson
user kept spamming "waiting for the leaks". V-Jump leaks are out, but no one is talking about them?
Nathaniel Bailey
They don't fucking tell us anything
Luke Mitchell
Nice headcanon.
Isaac Hughes
the level of incompetence used to handle the dragon ball license is honestly staggering
David Cox
>V-Jump leaks are out
where?
Sebastian Brooks
well, at least it's not worse than Pokemon
Grayson Jones
Not really headcanon when his power was too low to be above Frieza even with a 50 times boost
Thomas White
...
Colton Lopez
doesn't matter
Isaac Campbell
oh that
Hudson Hughes
Ss2 tier jobber can't even touch Frieza.
Dylan Howard
He wants the 3-0 on BOTH of them
Kevin Martinez
obsessed
John James
>AAAUUURGH...
>G-GUUUGH...AAAAAGH
>AAAUGH... K-KAKAROTTO...
>C...COME CLOSER...
Luis Brooks
It does. He can't win. The significance of the form doesn't matter in a hypothetical situation.
Hudson Jackson
dont forget ENTERMOROfags vs whatthefuckisthatit'sfuckinghorrifyingfags
Wyatt Smith
why do people still post this crap like it's even remotely relevant? is it supposed to hurt our feelings or something?
Charles Perry
Gohan=Kefla>Kale>Freeza
Juan Watson
Why is Naruto so much more popular than DB in China?
Ryan White
>noncanon manga
GoD Toppo > Base Toppo = Golden Freeza = 17 > Dyspo > Jobhan
Ryder Watson
>Jobber Troopers > Kale > Frieza
L-L-L-LIZARDBROS..???
Adam Adams
>Golden Freeza > Dyspo
Imagine believing this
Logan Rodriguez
Chinks are subhumans
David Collins
>God of Destruction is now a transformation
Toeibros...
Sebastian Ward
Freeza would be intelligent enough to break the Pride Jobbers' teamwork.
Thomas Reyes
>even China has Jiren shitposters
You can't make this shit up
Eli Sullivan
>Ultra Instinct is now a transformation
Toriyamabros...
Cooper Hughes
>imagine believing anime with its SUPER ULTRA TURBO DYSPO MODE asspulls
canon manga proved that he jobs to based Lizard
Elijah Ross
#notmysunwukong
Jaxon Thomas
>prints money relentlessly
Kayden Long
Manga he jobs to Kale (who is weaker than Kefla, who is equal to Gohan)
Anime he jobs to Dyspo
Either way he's pathetic and weak.
Christian Lewis
>manga Kale weaker than Kefla
doubt as fuck
Zachary Morales
>Fusion is weaker than one of its components
Henry Powell
Luke Taylor
Kale wasn't all that strong, It's just that the Lizard is weak. SSB Goku could handle her when he arrived to save the jobber Lizard's ass
The Pride Troopers also made short work of her
Jonathan Torres
Goku, no contest, Goku has always been the better fighter and he surpassed vegeta before arriving to Namek.
Aiden Brown
David Turner
Then why is he 0-2 vs the prince?
Adrian Rogers
NOT CANON.
Luis Parker
>voredroid in the back
Austin Green
Siblings have fun.
Jayden Nguyen
>Fusion is weaker than one of its components
Goku thought about this possibility when he cogitated fusing with Mr. Satan.
But I don't think Caulifla is weak enough to make Kale weaker, it's just that Gohan is THAT strong.
Easton Edwards
because vegeta is better than him.
Asher Rivera
Is she sneaking up on them or did she fall in there and is pissed her hair got wet? The hell is the context of this image?
Juan Brooks
Envy thot.
Noah Scott
Connor Kelly
manga gohan is stronger than mssb goku and golden frieza
Ayden Johnson
>retardku fan doesn't understand this makes gokek the loser for falling for the lies
>again
Adrian Bailey
Kale in manga was only a threat because she used a last-resort power that nearly killed her. She was only powerful in the very short term and would have been dead sooner or later. Kefla was stated in the manga to have Kale's power with Caulifla's natural talent and battle instincts, so she should be stronger than Kale ordinarily.
Austin Davis
>all this work
>still couldn't make it be Goku delivering the blow
hiding behind others is all they can imagine
Ian Parker
Only in your pathetic headcanon.
>prince?
He's no prince, that title, no matter how irrelevant, has been taken away from him by Gohan.
Cope.
Luis Stewart
Same thing happened in the Broly movie.
Parker Bell
It is actually. While I would agree based entirely on official materials, AT adheres to no such rules. SS does whatever he likes in canon. The x50 multiplier is horseshit he doesn't adhere to (nor any power readings beyond Frieza saying he's over 1M in form 2). The outcome is up in the air for raffs just how the author likes it.
Fans got too comfortable and took the trash supplementary materials as solid ground to work from (to grasp the logic of the world). Ultimately, they are nothing of the sort. Canon doesn't back them. Hell, the canon things (Oozaru being x10) retroactively upset the understanding of things in the past, but then AT just handwaves this and shuts Oozaru down forever when multipliers became a problem (put KK in the same shallow grave).
John Smith
These threads usually are faster during night time? Why?
Asher Gonzalez
newworlders are awake
Camden Fisher
Mutts.
Mason Lopez
Even allowing for the official material, the gap wasn't so huge that (allowing for it) x50 wouldn't give him a means to slap Frieza around. 10% is a non-issue. 50% would still be beneath him. 100% is where it gets questionable (ignoring the anime-only retards who think Goku was ever struggling with the lizard, so would use this to think the gap would be large in favor of Fridge).
Either Frieza is tied up or (more likely) has a brief (staminalet) power advantage (probably just below 20%, which Vegeta has weathered worse before with Goku using KKx3 and then KKx4 with 33% and 77% respectively). Frieza's main hope rests with blitz if he is allowed to 100% (he can go 70% pretty quick in the manga to begin defending himself).
Resorting to planet destruction seems likely. If he would risk holding back (as with Goku) on the off chance of properly defeating his foe (for his own pride) is another question. I feel like Frieza should know better than to expect Vegeta was going to be soft-hearted.
Alexander Hernandez
playing with dolls can be fun too
Thomas Murphy
weaker than broly and weaker than moro
cope
Owen Campbell
Broly.
His power is maximum.
Jonathan Carter
*only in canon
Sorry I'm retarded. I'm going to go back to hiding behind Gohan, now. Sorry again.
Isaac Ross
>component of a fusion stronger than the fusion
Dipshit dumbass fucking moron retard retard retard retard retard
Robert Gray
So basically if we ignore sources, it makes it headcanon, and we can just throw away any sources because of the headcanon of how we view how AT would have written it?
So we ignore the multipliers even though it was written into the fight where KKx20 was nowhere near Frieza's top power. That's fine, but what about Vegeta not being able to even comprehend a Frieza that Goku was able to fight? Indicating Vegeta was nowhere near Goku at that stage in time, and that Goku had trouble with Frieza.
Not only this, but somehow it's headcanon to state Vegeta can't win based on all sources we know of, but it's not headcanon to state AT can make the multipliers whatever he wants and therefore Vegeta wins? Base your argument in any semblance of facts please before you go off spouting hullshit
Daniel White
When will they learn?
Hunter Johnson
I once made a comprehensive energy scale power level list and gave up by Super because the power levels no longer made any sense at least that humans could comprehend. For example due to the manga and movie SSG Goku is universe level meaning he can generate around 32 yottafoes of energy but then the Revival of F arc happens and Goku obviously became stronger in base meaning now goku in SSG has around 3240 yottafoes of energy and Cyan is around 162000 yottafoes of energy, simply divide that number by 32 to understand just how many universe Cyanku could destroy. At that point it makes no sense measuring their energy as its just ridiculous. My scaling has beings like Merged Zamasu having around quadrillions times the energy of the entire universe for example.
Charles Edwards
>cucklin
Jackson Hernandez
Vegeta vs goku both are in thier final forms at the moment who wins ssbe vs ssbkkx20
Kayden Harris
> Better animation than Super
Nathan Bell
Copely*
His power is camel-tier*
Sorry, fucking autocorrect
Nolan Roberts
Shut the fuck up, dog. You can't compete with my superior and insurmountable intellect and logical fencing. Now KNEEL.
David Garcia
No it didn't, nice headcanon.
Seething.
Elijah Anderson
Concession accepted
Michael Cooper
>c-c-concession
>this is the only thing the little ESL retard can whimper in the face of my colossal IQ
EX to the PEC to the TED
Evan Ortiz
>h-h-headcanon
Not an argument, cope harder.
Ian Carter
I'm glad you're all still so lively.
Kayden Cruz
>if we ignore non-canon sources
We're stuck with a case of guess work. We can make an educated guess (still headcanon) if we humor said official materials. You getting it?
>AT's headcanon
Cope. He doesn't adhere to x50. You should know this by now. Why pretend otherwise?
>even though
Yes, even though AT wrote Kamehameha as if it was 2.22x and had Goku use it with x20 (for 50% Frieza blocking one-handed). AT actually stated he thought SS1 was x10 (only realizing later he was being retarded as that was what Goku was passively using to keep up with a dicking around Frieza prior to the desperation attack before resorting to SB).
>what about
What about nothing. If SS can be whatever AT wants it to be (and is), we're left out in the rain. We can headcanon all we like about what makes sense, but do not delude yourself into thinking it is anything else (least of all for citing some bullshit he made-up for some mag fags and pays no mind to immediately afterwards when he doesn't even adhere to his own actually canon shit).
Cooper Edwards
Dubs of truth
Jordan Evans
>somehow
How can you possibly not understand something so simple? What you're saying didn't happen. It isn't canon to begin with. Even with clear canon basis, it would be headcanon. You use the term improperly to describe the logical basis, I'm to take it (this while comically rooting yourself in non-canon materials to back it). It is canon coming from your head. Headcanon. Not like it is always offensive. Don't want to stifle discussion too much, but you're kidding yourself with misplaced faith.
>can't win
All it would take is a stray ki disc severing Frieza's head (leaving him little ways to defend himself and sharply dropping his power). To say 'no way' is to be foolish. Is such a thing likely? No. This series prides itself on letting higher PLs decide outcomes more often than not.
On that note, Frieza for sure loses the advantage if he's dumb enough to take SS Vegeta lightly here (even without an extra zenkai before it to tip the scales). Merely using 50% isn't likely to be enough to win. He needs to get his shit together. Luckily, his manga self goes to 70% in an instant. So long as Vegeta is playing around, Frieza at least gets a chance to pull himself together (before dying pathetically to someone he should still be able to defeat before tiring).
>it is not headcanon to say AT can do what he wants
Correct, retard. He freely disregards his own rules, much less your headcanon.
>therefor
Clear your head of bias. My assessment mostly agreed with you for a Vegeta in that situation. You're simply lashing out like a spaz. You didn't even finish your final sentence. And what is "hullshit"?
>base in non-canon material
>facts
If facts are what you crave, consider the score.
Cameron Lewis
*I need to cope harder. Fuck I'm retarded. Still hiding behind Gohan. Sorry.
Andrew Kelly
Joseph Sanchez
Burden of rejoinder retard. All you did is throw ad hominems and declare you won while ignoring how wrong you were. You completely gave up offering a counter point and conceded in arguing.
You lost, gg2ez
Charles Williams
Angel Gutierrez
>buzzwords and fallacies he doesn't understand
N to the E to the X to the T, next time think twice before tangling with me.
Henry Thomas
Yes. Cry and cope fusionshitter.
Brandon Wilson
Imagine being as retarded as this disingenuous little taco eater. Just imagine it.
Owen Cook
>Vegeta vs Goku
>who wins
There is only one possible outcome per AT's will. Still, why even question the obvious?
William Cruz
Seethe some more dumb fusioncuck. Your temporary boosts aren't enough to even take Zamasu out.
Anthony Lewis
Adam Hall
You copy my style again and you better unplug your Ethernet cable.
Nathan Turner
if the match if important to the story, goku
Grayson Perry
You copy my style again and you better unplug your Ethernet cable.
Liam Bennett
>important to story
>fate of Earth
>Goku loses
>fate of universe
>Goku loses again
Explain further. Say it slowly so even a park ranger will get it.
Angel Cook
Vegeta and Goku are Equals.
Wyatt Russell
REALITY IS FALLING APART....
Gavin Martin
how could vados job
Aaron Lee
But your "educated guess" is ignoring the only sources we have while going by pure headcanon. It's ignoring all evidence against Vegeta in favor of your own headcanon of how you think AT would write it.
I never said AT's headcanon. Don't strawman me. I said your headcanon. You're inserting your own headcanon into the events to try and fit the narrative of how AT would write it. Your headcanon is not a basis for how AT would write it.
What AT mused in an interview do not override the events of the story. We are supposed to only go by primarily sources, not throw red herrings around where AT was wrong in a side interview. That has no basis against the fight anyway.
I have never once assumed AT is beholden to other sources. Again, a strawman on your part. I'm only stating that all evidence that exists points to Vegeta losing if we give him SS back then.
Throwing aside what we currently know to try and push "well AT can write it however he wants" is pure headcanon. Of course he can, no one is arguing that. But that's still based purely on headcanon with no grounding in everything we've been told and shown.
Vegeta would lose still. Toriyama wrote him far below Goku then, and Goku wasn't written as far beyond Frieza as Goku was above Vegeta.
David Perry
it was weaker when they botched the dance
Potara doesn't have that problem
Jonathan Foster
>b-b-but my headcanon CLEARLY states
Quiet.
Charles Cooper
fuck wrong reply
meant for
Levi Hill
BASED
Nathaniel Stewart
>disingenuous little retard trying to take credit for the results of my staggering mental discipline and unequaled mastery of lexicon
D to the O to the N to the E, now shall I take thine concession from thee!
Angel Rivera
He would be stronger than 50% Freeza, and unlike Retardku Vegeta wouldn't have just stood there and let him power up to 100%. Namek Vegeta wasn't a moron like Androids-arc Vegeta
>supposed to only go by primarily sources
And you're supposed to be able to speak English properly, yet here we are. I'll assume you meant "primary sources", in which case that's exactly what we're doing: going with AT's words, which are the primary source, as it is his story. Now COPE.
Leo Thompson
J-JIREN? I thought you were still meditating...
David Price
Goku can beat Vegeta end of discussion.
Mason Wright
>comparing successful fusion to a botched dance in an effort to claim that components can be stronger
You disingenuous little taco eater. Fucking kneel.
Josiah Torres
Cope.
Benjamin Wood
Can, but won't. Ever.
Hudson White
That does it.
Brandon Russell
>Quote of the Day is by CHADchad cha CHAD
How the FUCK does he do it
Oliver Walker
Sob fusionshitter. ULULATE
Levi Gray
Cry. Seethe. Shiver and shake. Whimper, wail, whine, and weep.
Wyatt Turner
STOP TELLING ME TO COPE I AM NOT A DOG JUST BECAUSE IM MEXICAN DOESNT MEAN YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO TREAT ME LIKE SHIT.
Zachary Gonzalez
HOLY BASED
Benjamin Allen
>"argues" with headcanon
>pretends to have proved anything but his own incompetence
>uses words incorrectly like the ESL taco eater that he is
I recommend you employ a coping mechanism.
Isaac Ross
>CHADchad cha CHAD
Imagine actually typing this.
Elijah Cox
COPE, my precious Mexican dog. AT ONCE.
Jason Ramirez
>typo makes one a spic
Good ad hominem to detract from the issues.
I take you admitting that Vegeta needs to defeat Frieza before he powers up as a concession on everything you've stated prior though. However, if we're inserting our own headcanon by assuming when the fights end, why would Vegeta even get SS in the first place? What is the catalyst for his change?
Why is Vegeta fighting at his best but Frieza isn't? Why are all these luxuries afforded to Vegeta but not Frieza?
Why does Vegeta kill Frieza instantly when he allowed:
>Android 19
>Zarbon twice
>FRIEZA
>Cell
>Goku
To all power up in fights with him? Again, strictly headcanon restricting it to the only way Vegeta could theoretically win, and therefore that's how the fight goes.
Aaron Murphy
>irrelevant bugshitter SEETHING in the face of the boundless intellect and dignified, disciplined cultivation of the Jirenscholars' and their incredible prowess
James Murphy
Goku is too stupid to beat Vegeta. Vegeta can be weaker than him and win every time because he knows how to exploit Goku's subhuman intelligence everytime. Also consider that Vegeta wasn't weaker than Goku at the start, so he may have put up a good fight in the Saiyan saga, but Goku was outclassed to hell and back in both strength and tactics then.
No, the only way Goku can get a solid win on Vegeta is through plot armor, which to Toriyama's credit, has never happened.
Luis Clark
Fuck you I refuse to cope and I am not a dog, I am a human being.
Isaiah Hall
You either didn't, or can't, read the rest of the post. I'm betting on the latter, based on your quite obvious ethnic persuasion of taco. I also fully admitted that 100% power would be sticky for Vegeta back when you were foolish enough to first challenge me, but I've heard that Mexicans have poor short-term memory. Thank you for proving that to be true.
>why xyz
This is a hypothetical, and as such, there is no reason or point in focusing on the "why" of Vegeta going Super Saiyan. That is deflecting from the main point of the debate, which is: would Namek SS Vegeta beat Frieza? However, I will indulge a bit of your pathetic fancy by pointing out that Namek Vegeta was far more covert and intelligent than his flanderized Androids arc counterpart. He didn't want to stand around and let his opponent power up and possibly surpass him. He had no problem abusing zenkai, teaming up with the Earth scum for superior numbers, and sneak-attacking/blindsiding his foes in order to maximize his advantage. Nothing but headcanon suggests it would have been any different with Frieza. Now, again: COPE.
Christian Myers
To your kennel at ONCE.
Nicholas Powell
Vegeta probably kicked Gokus ass in pic related. He can use SSBE whenever he wants while Goku can't freely utilize UI yet. Goku will forever be the strongest in theory though
Robert Adams
ssbe is equal to blue kaioken
Asher Long
But i am human, dogs belong in kennels not humans.
Ethan Allen
based taco subhuman
Christopher Hughes
Truest statement. A statement that can only be birthed by a deific mind with decades of metaphysical meditation.
Angel Kelly
I really doubt it is, SSBK wasn't worth shit in the top
Kevin Adams
>Android 19
He was testing the theory that the Androids could absorb energy.
>Zarbon twice
The first time he didn't let him, he didn't even know about his transformation, and he ate shit. The second time he knew he was more powerful because he knew the depths of Zarbon's strength as well as his own after the zenkai.
>Frieza
Assuming you're referring to the grappling match with his first form, that was a miscalculation on Vegeta's part. It was similar to the Zarbon situation but he didn't know how strong Frieza could get. Also he wasn't sure he could beat him even in his first form.
>Cell
This isn't the same Vegeta as Namek Vegeta, he's an idiot who just lets his enemies power up to flaunt his own strength. He wasn't like that on Namek.
>Goku
Literally never happened.
Ayden Taylor
>doesn't rhyme
Such a poet you are. Mediocre.
Brandon Cox
twitter.com
straight from a writer
and yeah it didn't look impressive because goku was fighting kefla and jiren, the two strongest fighters before MUI goku
Lucas Hernandez
Your headcanon doesn't matter, it was officially stated that their equal, cope, cry.
Jason Gutierrez
>incomprehensible ESL babble
Jordan Barnes
UI>fusions
Truth.
Benjamin Allen
Meet the newest member of the CHAD Troopers. Say something nice about him.
Isaac Baker
>still arguing with headcanon
We've been through this, my pet.
Isaac Flores
>Calvo...
Samuel Nguyen
Based THIRDEYErenbro.
Juan Sanders
Digits confirm!
Jeremiah Lopez
>Mexican
>human
Haha
Blake Hall
Reminder that mangatacos are ridiculed literally all over the Internet.
Anthony Sanders
MANGA GOOD ANIME BAD ≠ actual discussion
Justin Reed
>that their equal, cope, cry.
Get the FUCK out of this den of scholars and intellectuals you ESL IQlet. I SAID LEAVE. AT ONCE.
Owen Hill
>gets made fun of
>seethes
Sasuga, dogrenfag.
Luis Cook
>taco insults from a Vegeta supporter defending what-if headcanon pictures
Very colorful
The "why" is important when you're assuming Frieza would lose at 50 percent. For some reason Vegeta gets some great powerup, but we're assuming Frieza operates at less than full power.
You are not focusing on "would" at all. You are focusing on "could," and in your cherry-picked scenario, Vegeta "could" win. He would not win however if we assume Frieza has any modicum of intelligence. Frieza can powerup quite quick and his 50 percent form can stave off some attacks from a more powerful SS Goku. If Vegeta transformed from Frieza operating at his lowest levels and attacked then sure, he "could" win, but we both know that's a copout on yours and Vegeta's part.
Vegeta on Namek let Zarbon transform twice. He actually goaded Frieza into transforming. So no, Vegeta on Namek wasn't very smart at all. Him abusing Zenkais out of fear do not correlate into him beating Frieza before he powers up. Especially when this comes from him allowing Frieza to powerup in the first place and standing by and watching this happen another time, then getting completely over confident after being healed.
Adam Peterson
cringe
Owen Martinez
I've attained victory yet again.
Julian Johnson
James Perry
vados vs marcarita
Eli Watson
Just not in the fight record where it is 2-0.
Levi Gutierrez
>literally no argument
Concession accepted.
Logan Roberts
Goku, literally how can anyone think otherwise? They literally go out of their way to make him more powerful constantly, how are you fags not wise to this shit yet?
Nolan Adams
Sorry, I have no idea what you said. Like most Jirenscholars, I have a genetic mutation wherein all words uttered by anyone who isn't within at least ten points of my triple-digit IQ just sound like meaningless babble. "UNGA BUNGA OOGA BOOGA UG UG OO UG" is all I heard from you, bugfriend.
Easton Martinez
Toyopacos SEETHING
Ian Campbell
Jooooo
Ethan Howard
>n-no, you're wrong
>that's all I'm going to say BTW h-haha
Thanks for proving me right.
Landon Cruz
>testing by giving his own energy due to over confidence
>allowed Zarbon into the fight twice long enough to powerup
>allowed Frieza to powerup due to miscalculation even though he wasn't sure he could win. How unlike this hypothetical
>Cell being different than Frieza in your explanation
>he instantly killed Goku before he could powerup
Vegeta allows people lower than him to still be in the fight. He might kill them faster than Goku, but anything short of instant annihilation is too long.
Aiden Edwards
You guys are making me cry calling me a dog who needs to return to the kernel please stop its wrong to treat people badly because they are mexican.
Robert Gomez
>he still doesn't comprehend what a hypothetical is
This is what I get for trying to engage in intelligent debate with a Mexican, I guess.
>Frieza can powerup quite quick
I see you're a speedreader/watcher as well. It took Frieza several minutes of sitting there clenching his fists and growling to go from 50% to 100%. He can't just instantly snap into it.
>i-it wouldn't count if Vegeta beat him while he wasn't at full power
Not even going to waste my time arguing with this "point".
>let Zarbon transform
As previously stated, Vegeta didn't let Zarbon transform the first time because he didn't know he could. After that, he knew how strong Zarbon was and also how strong he himself was after the zenkai, therefore there was no danger in letting him transform.
>goaded Frieza into transforming
Because he thought it was a bluff. It was a miscalculation, not a case of Vegeta just standing around waiting for his opponent to get stronger than him.
Owen Hall
OH NONONONO TOYOBROS WHAT??? PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS FAKE.
Isaiah Walker
>more spic babble
Samuel Collins
>he thinks I need to argue against literal headcanon
Too cute.
Evan Hernandez
Imagine almost being killed by krillin
Elijah Allen
>typo
>a whole different word
>common mistake retarded rednecks and tacos make.
You're done. Don't come back until your lexicon reaches at least 50,000 words and know how to use them correctly.
Jace Barnes
Seething
Caleb Sanders
>gets BTFO in the debate
>latches onto a typo to save face
You're really transparent. It's pathetic.
Cooper Rivera
>admitting being a mere shitposter.
Good pup.
Michael Collins
>the only sources
>they're non-canon
So there we have it. Again. You picking up what I'm putting down? Is this too hard for you? Why am I having to repeat myself?
>I said
Your headcanon trumps AT's. That is what you're saying. You say it works X way. He says it is X or Y? Doesn't matter, he does what he likes (including breaking his own rules). What part of this is tripping you up? AT tells some mag cucks some good bullshit, then never pays it any mind (and confirms later he instantly felt it worked a different way, but didn't fret over the details when writing). Here you are still parading that trash (shilling for them). Official? Sure. All we have? You bet. Canon? Nope. While amusing to discuss things, you need to realize when you're basing it on headcanon (as you toss the word around like you don't realize you yourself are doing just that being that this entire situation is not a canon event).
>only go by
Canon. That is primary. Official mag talk is secondary as with the adaptation you're no doubt only concerned with (another anime-only talking out of turn).
>have never once
Yet here you are. AT has to adhere to your magazine. Just admit it you were indulging in some headcanon. That's fine. How else can we discuss the matter without conceding that fact? It didn't happen, so it is just fans talking about shit that didn't go down. Basing it on an official source (then agreeing to humor it) is a start, sure. Still headcanon. Don't forget it. I agreed that the Vegeta of the time with SS would have an uphill battle with all things considered. You weren't willing to accept that, so here we are. With you unable to accept the truth. Pretty typical.
>AT being able to write as he pleases
>headcanon
Do you hear yourself? I imagine everyone else is choosing to ignore your stupidity.
>all
Mind the use of absolutes. It only takes one exception to bring them down.
>my headcanon says the gaps were this big
Ah, so you're retarded.
Logan Young
Projecting
Wyatt Jackson
>n-no if you won't argue with my headcanon y-you're just shitposting
Kneel.
Luis Collins
I said LEAVE. You're bringing the threads' average IQ from 162 to 149.
Noah Phillips
Back to your kennel RIGHT NOW.
Eli Cruz
The fact that you're still replying says more than your actual replies
Carter Taylor
Keep crying. You lost. I won. Die mad about it, shitposting fag.
Evan Perez
>stronger than 50%
This is highly probable. I've never seen anyone suggest Vegeta was only half as strong as base Goku for this scenario.
>wouldn't let him power up
Maybe not this Vegeta (before AT changed his personality into someone easily goaded). It isn't like Frieza needs long for 70% to give him a fighting chance without notable strain. 100% doesn't take super long, but he would have to get his act together during an opening and close it fast (as his stamina gives so too do his chances to win straight up). Frieza himself could become victim of fucking around if he's not careful.
The main concern I'd have is still just planetary destruction. Frieza would no doubt resort to it, but would he think to hold out hope for a win thinking his foe soft enough to not kill him? He knows Vegeta. Would he not just swallow his pride and take the whole thing out for the sure kill? Hard to say.
>wasn't a moron
Less of one, for sure.
>going with canon
>just AT's story
Well said. I don't mind humoring him using the outside stuff to help get a feel, but he needs to know he's engaging in headcanon. Muh Mags just isn't going to cut it when trying to rise to the standard of 'what is' (the rule aka "canon").
Isaac Price
see but most of all COPE.
Hunter Price
Why are you talking to yourself, fag?
Eli Morgan
I nderstand the concept; what I don't understand is why it has to specifically follow your scenario. "SS Vegeta vs Frieza" doesn't entail a very context heavy fight that you can weasel into fitting your needs. The fact that Vegeta needs so much going for him is pathetic for us to assume it's the most likely hypothetical situation.
Frieza was powering up by 5 percent every second, but more importantly he was instantly able to go 70 percent without concentration and powering up. So yes, again your hypothetical is even less likely.
Well, it would count, but it's not very likely. You're moving the goalposts entirely because you're doubling down on Vegeta winning while ignoring the obvious.
The main point is that Vegeta should have killed him if he was that above him. He allowed Zarbon to use a technique even though Vegeta was superior. And he did it twice. Add in the over confidence from him awakening an "invincible legendary form" and it's likely he becomes over confident again like his first fight in actual canon when he got SS.
Yes, a miscalculation that allowed someone to powerup. How unlike him getting his dream form and thinking Frieza's max wouldn't allow him to take on the "legendary super saiyan"
Like he did against Android 19
Logan Lewis
>can
see: . AT just doesn't seem to will it. When it is said he can't do it, that's just teasing. When it is said he won't, that just seems to be a good guess as to AT's intentions (doubtful they ever even fight again for what little it would even matter with Super and such). When it is said he has never done it, that's just stating canon facts (absolute truths). Goku has never beaten Vegeta.
Consider or even . Hell, .
Then there is this bit of fun . Sure he's having a go with you, but it isn't like he's saying something incorrect. Goku is a retard. Goku is naive. Vegeta has and continues to exploit these things. As he says, Vegeta was the natural (it was only later AT started to warp his own memory of things to the point Goku was painted as the natural with Vegeta as the one working hard, but falling short).
Austin Moore
>Frieza was powering up by 5 percent every second
>headcanon
>shitty spic scans
Discarded.
Nathaniel Watson
Shit, AT almost right after the fight with Vegeta for 1-0 has a breakdown that says Goku won. Soon after Krillin says the same (like he himself had no part on it). Vegeta certainly acts accordingly. This is the same issue was we have with the killings from that visit. Yamcha? Saibamen. Chiaotzu? Blew himself up on Nappa. Tien? Killed himself with Tri-Beam (at Nappa). Piccolo? Suicide by Nappa (when the guy was going for Gohan). The only person Vegeta actually kills (objectively) is Nappa (not for lack of trying). What do we soon get? Vegeta and everyone in-universe just says Vegeta did all that.
Tell me (show of hands), who here agrees that Vegeta killed Yamcha, Piccolo, Tien and the Chinese Hopping Vampire? That's horseshit that didn't happen, but the entire cast operates under the mistaken memory of AT. It isn't even like he retcons the events to show this world where that happened. Not even the same sort of thing as when he changes his mind about the future direction (as with Vegeta saying and acting like he is on top, only to have always known Frieza was there, but much later also that Beerus totally existed).
Is Vegeta:
>0-1 against Yamcha
>0-1 against Piccolo
>0-1 against Tien
>0-1 against Chiaotzu
Did he even throw an attack there way? His having responisibility for their deaths isn't in question. AT didn't write the lines going forward like he had a hand in it. He writes it like he DID it. Vegeta sees Piccolo on Namek? Instantly talks shit about how he killed Pickle on Earth (didn't happen). Nobody corrects him.
Isaac Baker
*their deaths
Sorry, bit my tongue.
Justin Howard
*bean