Why is Gundam so popular when Macross is better in every single way?

Macross is Idolshit. Gundam is not.

Idols improve everything

Except in battles, mecha design and antagonists... right?

Macross doesn't have Ulpio Minucci.

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>Except in battles

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This.

Gundam is popular because it has more autism fuel, but Macross is better because it's never written by Tomino or someone trying to ape Tomino.

Macross only has songs, the plots are passable and nothing else.

What is Tomino's major malfunction?

War bad

Macross is a big circlejerk over Gundam though.

Depends on which Macross and which Gundam.

Both the original MSG and SDF Macross are legitimately great shows in different ways and well-deserved classics. I love them both, though probably Macross a little more between the two.

Between the two franchises as a whole, I would say Macross is more consistent in its quality, but I'd definitely say Gundam is just such a larger and more ambitious body of work that it's pretty ridiculous to unequivocally say Macross > Gundam. Gundam has hits and misses, but it has more fantastic entries than there are Macross entries of any quality.

And honestly, anything Macross has done you can kind of name the Gundam equivalent that has done it just as well or better.

Maybe, but it's still better-written and better looking. SDF even punishes Minmay better than alleged arch-misogynist Tomino does most of his victims.

SDF>0079
Seven>G
Plus>08th MS
Gundam doesn't have a Frontier equivalent and Macross doesn't have a Turn A equivalent

Frontier is good.

deltashit killed the franchise tho

Gundam survived much worse

I much preferred almost any Gundam to Macross. I've only seen the first series, Plus, and DYRL though so maybe others are better (though from the opinions I've seen they're not). I thought Plus was great for the first like 3 episodes though. Wasn't a fan of how it ended. And DYRL was complete trash. I liked the first series but was surprised when I watched 0079 and liked it more because I had been putting off watching Gundam for a long time as it didn't seem like something I'd like.

>Plus>08th MS
Nobody thinks this. This is an example of a wrong opinion.

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>I liked the first series but was surprised when I watched 0079 and liked it more
Sir have you seen a doctor for that bad taste

Actually wait a second. I mistook 08th MS for 0080. I really don't like 08th MS Team so yeah, Plus is better than that shit.

Both are good and the mechas on both series are cool.
The difference
Gundam are full of bros and has barely any cuties on it.
Macross are full of cuties.

It has the same dumb romance and smaller focus, it was the closest equivalence I could find other than SDF/MSG and 7/G. They're really not similar franchises aside from being popular with multiple entries.

That said I lean toward Macross if forced because it doesn't tend to be as tedious, repetitive, or edgy and cloying as the Gundams. God save us from more One Year War OVAs with a zoom-in on each bad guy's family photos every time an enemy mech blows up.

>Gundam are full of bros and has barely any cuties on it.
Have you even watched Gundam? Maybe you're one of those people that skipped ZZ but there's plenty of cute girls in pretty much all entries.

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the original macross, 7 and frontier are the only actual good one.
albeit gundam fags tend to hate anything that isn't mainline UC, Gundam have better shows, movies and OVAs.
Macross is also heavily dependant on what is popular on mainstream music in japan. and modern idol shit is just garbage

>tfw they didn't experiment with music genres after Seven
>tfw no metal macross
>tfw no jazz macross
>tfw no triphop housefunk neo-horrorwave macross

>Seven>G

Opinion disregarded.

Gundam Seed, especially Destiny, would like a word.

>space mecha anime
>bitches sing songs for whatever reasons
>songs are relevant to the story
>wannabe shoujo artstyle
Or do I remember wrong? dropped before episode 20.

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Destiny threads were the best. kys

>space mecha anime
>there are kids hanging around for whatever reasons
>the story is war bad
>drawn on construction paper

Macross was in conversation with Gundam 0079, but a more important influence was Space Battleship Yamato. It essentially blended the two, and threw in a love triangle for good measure, and best girl wins, by the way. The message of Macross was more sophisticated, at least by the standards of 80's television anime, in that the war is won by culture, not by arms. Very interesting. That's the kind of message that was driving Japan in that decade (America too, for that matter). Not sure if it would fly today.

That's the series though. Good music. At time terrible animation. Decent characters. It's fine. If you can get into the right headspace, you can still appreciate it for what it is.

Setting that aside... the movie, Macross: Do You Remember Love, is objectively superior to not only Chars Counterattack, but almost any other non-Ghibli 80's anime movie that isn't named Akira. Even including all of those, there are few other animes outside of Cowboy Bebop and (maybe?) Evangelion that achieve such excellent sound design and soundtrack. The movie would have you believe that there's a song powerful enough to stop a war, then proceeds to let you hear it, and it works. It sets the bar and then climbs over it. It's just pure entertainment gold. Oh yeah, and every other track, from the end credits to the opening credits, is insanely polished and perfect. MAYBE they could animate a movie like this today, but the 80's are gone, and I just don't believe they could score this movie today.

The first 5-10 minutes of DYRL is so good that it justifies watching the entire Macross TV series -- not because you need the story to understand the movie (you don't), but so you can receive the instant sexual gratification of the upgraded sound and animation versus the TV show.

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You should have been here when Macross 7 aired.

>>tfw no metal macross
IMAGINE a hot blooded macross with metal score. fuck why this hasn't been done yet
>>tfw no jazz macross
focused on a small cast with high tempo battles
>>tfw no triphop housefunk neo-horrorwave macross
i'll need to be small OVAs or theatrical releases to work
But after delta. all of this is asking too much for the people behind macross.

>the movie, Macross: Do You Remember Love, is objectively superior to not only Chars Counterattack, but almost any other non-Ghibli 80's anime movie that isn't named Akira
DYRL is a terrible movie that does nothing but shit on what the series did well. It changes things around to try and make it work in a 2 hour movie but it fails at every turn and feels as shit as the Gundam summary movies despite not just being a recut. CCA has its fair share of issues but it's superior just because it doesn't retell a story that's already been told in an inferior fashion. About the only thing I think DYRL did better than the series (apart from animation, but it isn't the best animated anime movie and for me animation doesn't save a shit movie) imo was having Minmay sing a single song during the ending fight rather than the medley that the series did.

>Not sure if it would fly today.
not only it would fly but we are living at peak culture war segment of modern society.
but for the thig to work they would need to neglect the mainstream music style and go for the different styles of musics that are in niche, they can even make a throwback to DYRL and the first one thanks to the whole city pop and vaporwave thing.
but that will never happen because it would took getting people who actually understand macross on the project. and after delta clearly there is none left

Macross:
>story is meant to feel a little fantasy-like
>silliness adds to the themes
>doesn't take itself seriously
Gundam:
>story is meant to be hardish SF thriller
>silliness breaks immersion
>takes itself deathly serious
Not making a judgment on either franchise but there is no way Gundam could pull off something like Max infiltrating the Zentradi ship.

Obviously there were compromises for retrofitting a 24 episode TV series into a ~2 hour runtime, but I don't think the alternative telling harmed the plot. I think they made Minmay in particular less of a bitch and more of a grown-up, and I think this complicates the love triangle (in the show, she gave ample justification for Hikaru to move on, friend-zoning him until it was too late). In the movie, she's the one pushing the relationship, and I think this makes the ending in which she has to decide whether to do her job and sing or not more powerful -- the fate of the world is synchronized with her feelings of being rejected. I just can't agree that she is better characterized in the television show. She is a much richer character in the movie.

The TV show, if you actually watch it, kind of sputters out before the end, and the last "arc" is really tacked on. The ending lacks impact. The plotting and pacing is extremely uneven in general during its run. It was able to be compressed because it was already over-inflated.

Anyway, I don't think it shits on the TV show to use the same designs but upgrade them visually, or to use many of the same songs but give them a proper stereo mix, or to cut out the most boring and weird parts of the TV show but still make sure to include key points like Max/Milia etc. It's not perfect, but I don't think it shits on what the series does well. I actually think it does almost everything better?

forgot to add that gundam is getting Hataway's Flash in movie form this year. That will be another middle finger to macross since Hataway's Flash couldn't get a better time to be animated than this one thanks to political issues across the planet.
We need someone that cares about macross to get a good one

Macross has no presence in the west because Harmony Gold ensures it doesn't.
Somehow, they managed to buy distribution rights from a company that held no rights to the franchise and therefore couldn't have sold them anything, and despite that company being sued multiple times by the actual rights holders, and losing every time, they keep renewing Harmony Gold's illegal contract and said contract is somehow continuously upheld in western courts.

Which macross though? They have bad ones just like Gundam.

Do you think Macross would have done better as a franchise if it had had Western money coming in?

Imagine if they'd got some pop starlets to redub the songs, whoah

the first one, obviously

First one is pretty good though in the middle to the end it kind of drags and then pick up at the finale. Better than the worst Gundam and I still consider better than the other macross. Still have a bias to Gundam though since I found that more speaking than macross. Like both.

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I agree, but you posted the wrong grunt

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>Excuse me?!

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>Macross has more shit entries than good ones
>Gundam has more good entries than shit ones
It's sad because I really like Macross Seven and Plus.

you're a punk ass motherfucker

>Macross Zero, Frontier, Delta and Two are good

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>frontier was not good

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Robots doing fisticuffs is DBZ tier retarded.
Macross actually features some sort of combined arms warfare, especially if the music plays a role too.
As an additional benefit the music and battle visuals often work well together.
So no. Some mecha shows are as good or better, I assume, but it's far from the norm.

Um...huh?

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It's mediocre, but at least it's not Zero or Two.

If Macross is so much better how come people barely ever mention it while classic Gundam is an object of heated debates to this day?
Macross is a merely a competently done series, while Gundam, while it has a ton of flaws, is far more engaging, has much more interesting characters and presents much more fleshed out setting.

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I like Gundam because most Gundam series I've watched weren't shit. I don't like Macross because the first Macross series wasn't something I enjoyed watching.
That's pretty much all there is to it. I'm pretty damn tolerant when it comes to Gundam though, the only series I absolutely hate is SEED (and Destiny), and I've sat through the entirety of Gundam AGE. And all of Build Fighters/Divers.

Frontier was horrible, unless you're into waifu/shipping faggotry. When Delta arrived, Macross was already dead so the show was basically making a rotten corpse to dance with strings

>Frontier was horrible,
Why

>Sat through age

I couldn't even do that

Macross peaked in it's first series, the rest of the franchise isn't really worth it while Gundam improved in later series

It's called toy sales bobo