Damn, Isekai was actually good once?

I regret nothing, eh.

None of that has to do with the narrative.
It's Isekai because she was a suicidal teen who meets Van, who also has a death wish. That's the parallel. She helps him. He catches her. The movie does it best, but the symbolism is lost in translation since the western audience doesn't know that a person on a roof top without shoes on is code for a "jumper". So then at the end she's falling but Van catches her.

The anime version, she's only a "jumper" on the track. Pole vault and hurdles, which she's not motivated to do because she knows highschool is pointless and everyone goes there separate ways afterwards. Which mirrors Van's Brother's sentiments. But Van inspires Hitomi in the way he overcomes his hurdles - which she can see because she has a clairvoyant oversight ability.

That's not even getting into Issac Newton as the final boss. It's all about defying destiny and gravity in a symbolic metaphorical sense because it's poetry that you're suppose to read into.

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You don't jump hurdles.

I still love the english opening to this day
youtube.com/watch?v=d5ZXbrqPjKM

the story was impossible to follow on Fox Kids for the short time they ran it, though I can't remember if it was because of how mutilated it was or the commercials for breakfast cereal that played every 5 minutes
you could tell that there was something special buried underneath

Should I watch this
Is it good

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Watch it and find out.
If you realize that you shouldn't have watched it after all, it will be a mistake that you will never be able to undo.

She's not suicidal at all in the show. You could make an argument for the symbolism of entering a new world the moment she and her initial love interest are about to confess to each other, but there's nothing about suicide in her story. But in the movie, absolutely.

Yup. Go figure. The way to make isekai good is to put giant robots in it. They figured that shit out decades ago. Yet somewhere, somehow, this lesson was lost.

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jump means overcome, for the non illiterate.

It's great. A bit aged, but still. The music is amazing, great characters, fantasy mechas, etc.

Still waiting on Knights&Magic S2.

She's not clairvoyant in the movie either. But the genre remains the same despite the adaption.

Jesus Christ what were they thinking.

Great spectacle.

Aye, it was. Once. Before the coming of Sword Art Online and everything being based on the same generic fantasy world running on RPG mechanics.

Gaia is not the moon dumbass. It's a world based on European history: Astoria - actual japanese name for Austria, same stereotype of a lot of daughters being married off for politics, Zaibach ruled by Isac Newton who actually came from Earth, "New World Order" being constantly promoted by Folken and a imagery of the piramid shape with an eye in it (Zaiback capital), technological industral based civilisation vs. oldfashioen tribal samurai kingdom (Zaibach vs. Fanelia), Atlantis and it's gay ass technology of isekai teleportation and destiny control or whatever, etc. I mean really, how much more isekai can you get?

You could substitute PV and hurdles for literally any event or sport, then.

I'm not saying it's not Isekai, it clearly is. I'm just saying she's only suicidal in the movie, and that affects her role in the other world.

In the show, she's full of hope for her relationship with the guy, and she goes into Gaea as a clairvoyant and has that "probability/fortune" thing that comes into play later into the plot. In the movie, she's depressed and suicidal, and comes into Gaea as a goddess prophesied to destroy the world

Pearls hurled before burger-chomping swine. youtube.com/watch?v=pr0IF__1dXg

Not literally. Just figuratively. The movie drops the track angle entirely for falling in general.
The parallelism is still there. That's the point.

It's just like how Shield Hero, in his original world, lived a safe and secure life that isolated him. And that translated him to being isolated in this other world for merely possessing the shield.

Or Spear Hero getting a time reset ability for being a two-timer in his original world.

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You know what? I think they need to make another Escaflowne. Make it an S2.

But it would have to be adapted to new audiences, so maybe make the main character a male. A high-schooler who doesn´t stand out in any way, for example. And when he arrives at this new world, he receives a new skill. Now, Hitomi´s ability of clairvoyance was cool, but let´s think something more physical. Maybe he is the only guy who can pilot a legendary, unique robot, like the one Van uses. But he has to learn how to do it, so let´s say the robot´s potential is unlocked by him gaining "levels", which give him new abilities, and that´s how the MC becomes the best pilot in the show.

Of course, we should put in plenty of male rivals and potential female love interests. I´m thinking a tsundere Astorian noble girl, one from Fanelia that´s more broish, one from the Empire that maybe is super cool-headed and aloof, and a beast girl. Maybe they all form a mercenary crew?

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1. It's still isekai
2. She didn't go to the moon

You're right. Earth was the Moon.

I just want more shows like Escaflowne and Rayearth that make me genuinely think FUCK YEAH ADVENTURE, I actually really like the concept of being transported to another world but nu isekai is completely devoid of any sense of wonder and discovery.

>nu isekai is completely devoid of any sense of wonder and discovery.
Because that's not what it's about.
One should really say that there are two isekai genres.
One is a wish fulfillment power fantasy genre. RPG cliches may apply, but even if the characters don't have status screens, it doesn't change a thing about the nature of the thing.

The other one is the much rarer "go somewhere new and exciting and scary".

>literally the plot of battle harem No.23113
How about some unorthodox MC? Like Hitomi's yandere stalker back on earth, who is secretly the prince of a galactic empire and actually a disguised tentacle alien whose ability is to summon his naval fleet.

Or make it about a witch

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Holy shit. This is not the OP I remember.
youtube.com/watch?v=fa5kpWjWU_E

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I'm not, but I watched re-runs of it on cable.

That sounds good, but it's missing something. Given that there was a power vacuum for the Zaibach empire at the end of the series, we need a new villain. An evil, untouchable villain. Like a demon. That's also a king. Genius!

That's just Fantasy and Adventure. I think you're using "isekai" as an adjective to describe some subjective quality or association. Like "isekai-ness". Without knowing what the story objectively does that places it in the same boat as other stories - a genre called Isekai.

It's not the word isekai. It's not about being in another world from the reader's or mc's perspective. It's a Parallel World because the story draws parallel between the 2 worlds. Any story that does that is put into a category called "Isekai".

Sword Art Online is still in the same world. Alicization begins with Kirito advocating rights for digital life-forms. And then he finds himself in a new digital world with a Taboo Index that limits people's freedoms absolutely. That's the parallel.
The fact that this taboo index exists as a plot device to synthesize killing A.I. is beside the point.

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>I think you're using "isekai" as an adjective to describe some subjective quality or association.
I am describing an objective quality: The main character travels to a different world.
Drawing parallels to reality is not part of the genre's definition. You can do it in your analysis of the fiction, but the name of the genre isekai, just means different world. There need be no parallels objectively within the story.

Isekai is a longstanding staple of the fantasy genre with plenty of cool entries. El Hazard, Rayearth, hell, fucking Those Who Hunt Elves looks like gold compared to the low effort light novel drivel that floods the market today.

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Yeah it's called Garzey's Wing

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the best isekai will be a isekai that turns the science fantasy and science fiction into magic.
Internet powered by magic, robots powered by magic, magics are based in programing languages, robots are magically made...

Oh dear god, that explains all the school shootings.

>so maybe make the main character a male.
Stopped reading right there, don't even know if the rest of the post is even a serious proposal o a joke. and don't care to find out.

I can't believe Isaac Newton is fantasy hitler

Surely Blake would approve

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that's just setting, plenty of crap can be made within it. you're confusing making something good with making something different.

Damn, Isekai was even worse than modern isekai once?

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El Hazard was legitimate garbage and just as bad and sometimes worse than a lot of the isekai that gets shat out nowadays though.

This is coming from someone who loves old fantasy/RPG/isekai anime.

you know that old isekai were good from the simple fact that the real world doesn't dissappear from the MC's mind the very moment he steps into fantasyland

ISACKU NEWWWWWWTON

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Getting isekai'd change people.

So any isekai where the MC regularly brings up home is good in your book?
That's fucked up.

>"go somewhere new and exciting and scary"
yeah, the power fantasy RPG style isekai lack that, the new world is almost always super MC friendly, to the point that the things he's familiar with (game style screens, for example) are super relevant in the new world, and his familiarity with them makes him more special. It sucks on a conceptual level.

Make way for the patrician's isekai
youtube.com/watch?v=D8D2gefyVcA

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I think the post you replied to might have been sarcastic

The first OAV is all that counts and if you think that was garbage, then go get isekai'd by a truck.

Wow, way to read something that's not even close to what I wrote. I only said that the real world doesn't stop being a concern, it doesn't matter if going back is impossible or not, or the mc cares about going back, the point is that they don't forget the real world because the people that's suppossed to self insert just want to forget the real world, just like you just imagined the words that you wanted to read instead of actually reading. The escapism factor in modern isekai is so strong that even people that came from experiencing traumatic death just forget about their world in seconds.

>I only said that the real world doesn't stop being a concern,
If it's regularly brought up, it's a concern, right?

(cont.)
Regardless, the fact that you make this one aspect the proof of quality while disregarding everything else in your evaluation of the isekai is what I wanted to point out as being silly.

>The main character travels to a different world.
That's not THE story. That's a trope the story uses. I'm sure you can understand, we don't categorize entire novels because of 1 thing that happens on page 5. That's called missing the forest for the trees.

Just like you don't categorize video games titles based on mini-games.

>Not the definition
Because it's not an adjective. It's a name.
"With a name like Alice you could be any shape"

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>the fact that you make this one aspect the proof of quality while disregarding everything else in your evaluation of the isekai is what I wanted to point out as being silly

Well ok, if you're just going to make up whatever you want to think, then there's no point about replying anymore

>we don't categorize entire novels because of 1 thing that happens on page 5.
Actually, in this case most people do. You are in the minority.

>you know that old isekai were good from the simple fact []
If I misinterpreted that, feel free to explain to me where the misunderstanding lies and what you actually meant.

It's surprising how many people don't get that he's humpty dumpty.

It's a matter of taxonomy and not a consensus. Stay in school and don't shoot it up like an incel who wants to make all the rules.

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Words are always a matter of consensus.
There are certain words where experts have specific definitions and laymen use them incorrectly (such as for many psychological or mental problems), but isekai is not one of them.

Pic unrelated I guess?

Categories are not words, Tweedledum. You're only changing the subject to sound less wrong.

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>Categories are not words,
Okay, now that I know you are trolling, we can put an end to this silly discussion.

Basically, if the MC forgets about the real world before chapter 1 ever ends and instantly fucks off to buy loli slaves, you can rest assured that it will be garbage. Even if the MC doesn't forget about the real world, the isekai could be garbage. But if he forgets it in a matter of seconds, it's guaranteed to be garbage. It's simple logic, Q follows P doesn't imply that P follows Q, but no Q implies no P. If the author let such an important detail as the MC being from another world slip out of the story, you can trust that he didn't make any effort writing the rest.

>It's simple logic,
Except you phrased it incorrectly for a logical statement.
But okay, I can accept your opinion, now that I understand it.

They don't even have to look for a way back, just attempt to use knowledge from Earth occasionally to improve their life in the new world. Looking for a way back is even better, as long as they don't plan to abandon the new world and stay on Earth. Too many just add isekai as a way to put less effort in getting the plot started or because they know it will attract readers.

Yeah. I think the appeal of isekai is the use of an oversight ability in general. Which is a kind of wish fulfillment for people who play RPGs or read Fantasy novels.

Wishing they could step into the world and use what they know to change everything. There's a kind of satisfaction in the certainty of knowing.

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I think "How not to summon a Demon Lord" somewhat subverts this. He knows the world is based on a video game but this world also included deleted concepts and histories that didn't make it into the game. And he can't account for things that were unwritten. Such as Krem-chan who previously existed in name only.

I think the role-playing narrative device is an easy insight into a character's shadow aspect. Diablo demonstrates anti-social behavior and bravado, when in reality he's a NEET with nothing to prove and no one to prove it to.
And despite all the power he now wield. He still spends the majority of his time in an Inn with some slave girls, ironically pursuing means to detach himself from them. Which isn't that different from what he was doing in the original world.

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>I think "How not to summon a Demon Lord" somewhat subverts this.
It doesn't. The world itself functions exactly as a JRPG player would expect it to. The only thing that runs outside of his knowledge is the plot, and even that is still within the boundaries of JRPG fantasy.

The cooking, the currency, the everyday utensils, everything is as expected. No surprise anywhere.

The entire plot starts because of the isekai, if it's time travels the entire story changes.

>WAAAAAAAAAAH I WANT TO GO BACK TO MAGICLESS EARTH AND BE A WAGIE
Where do you retards come from? Yea Forums?

More like,
>Will I ever be able to meet my best friends again?
>Or my family?

or
>my life billions of people have is so precious
>I will totally give up magic, advanced tech and my new friends

Not sure what Fox Kids but YTV in Canada chopped up the movie and aired it as episodes, they also had a tendency to restart from the begining randomly so one week you'd be 20 episodes in and the next it was the start again,

>his parents didn't read him Narnia or Alice
Are you black?

It's not only Escaflowne, there is a whole heap of pre-SAO isekai that're pretty good.

That's not how genre writers operate. If they wanted an isekai story, they could work with time travel if they wanted to.
Isekai is just the name of the genre. It's namesake is a misnomer.

It's like The White House is the name of the building. If you painted it black, you'd just have a black White House. "White" in this case is a noun, not an adjective.

Planting a pinetree on tropical island doesn't make that tree tropical. It's only tropical by virtue of other pinetrees growing in the tropics.

>You know what? I think they need to make another Escaflowne. Make it an S2.

Wasn't that show never popular in Japan to a point they cut down 30+ episodes to 26?

Yesterday I found and bringed this gem.
Is there moreseinen comfy seinen time travel with adult characters like this?

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Time travel isn't isekai, try again.

It's science fiction, obviously.

Isekai isn't an adjective.

>what is Now and Then, Here and There
Baaaaka

Yes, it's usually better.

That's like labeling every game an RPG because you "role-play" as a main character.

Or saying all Space Operas are simultaneously Isekai because of it's setting. It's retarded.

It is - the dog was isekai'd
Learn your place brainlet.

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Not with that attitude!

you should kill yourself instead newfag

That's a verb.

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An isekai'd dog.
That dog looks like an isekai animal.

So it's both a verb and adjective, thanks.

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>the dub

Not how you conjugate. You're using it as a noun, now. And it's still a different subject from the genre of the same name. So if you're done being illiterate...

She just got cucked by her best friend, yeah. She's not suicidal at all in the show.

It's because old school Isekai were normally inspired by the creators visiting a real-world location (or several locations) or were inspired by a specific time/event. Now-a-days, Isekai creators are inspired by MMOs or other Isekai works. So it's imitators imitating imitators. The world building and otherworldliness that made older works stand out has been replaced by copy-pasta worlds with copy-pasta races and characters with bland protagonists trying to spice up the stories, but failing miserably.

Visuals, character designs, costuming, and varied geography like this is lost now-a-days

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If we are being fair though, Escaflowne is among the very best even by pre 2010 standards.

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Escaflowne is shit and full of forced drama. It has a few good scenes, but it's mostly crap devoid of logic. Anime for brainlets and woman.

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At that point she doesn't care, she's fell in love with Van, and still chose to return to her world out of maturity. She's beyond high school crushes.

Yukari is still a treasonous whore, though.

Ends in freedom

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I wish there was a place where I could find a collection of anime backgrounds

they are so nice

You do when the thing on page 5 is called the inciting action.

For every Escaflowne, there were 5 Fushugiyugis.

Escaflowne kinda sucked.

>filename
The absolute state of Yea Forums, eveyone.

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Yes.

The one who witness Folks albark at his peak and greatest appearence before his downfall on 2009

>The North American television premiere was September 10, 2005, on the Cartoon Network programming block Adult Swim, after airing on [adult swim] on demand.
really???