Self-insert power-fantasy isekai

>Out-of-context
In FF Tactics Advanced, the "Prince Mewt" was a facsimile created for his father to dote on. The real Mewt wanted to fix people's problems, pretending to be his mom, Remedy. Get it? Mute. Remedy. The real Mewt was well aware of Escapism, his dad was an drunk. He's also the only character who doesn't have memories of the original world. The fake mewt was the father's antidote. Anti-dote, get it? But the difference between poison and cure is a matter of dosage.
Marche doesn't learn that Mewt was fake until the very end. That the problem he was trying to solve was the solution to someone else's.

A similar scenario plays out in Final Fantasy Mobius. Where a mage named "Vox" (also a classic spell name for curing mute status) reshaped the laws of Palamecia to repeat a cycle, a prophecy of hope and destruction. Drawing people in from other worlds, only to send them back with new hope, leaving Palamecia in the darkness.

The name Palamecia, Palakai in Japan, is a portmanteau. On one level it means Parallel World. But in another sense, inebriation. You get drunk, then passout. Fall into darkness. You go to a parlor, you fill yourself, you leave or kicked out at closing time.
That word sense is lost in translation and makes "Restaurant to another world" sound more novel than it actually is.

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There are very few isekai that do that

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What the hell is even going on with this one? This stuff gets published?

Yes, and it's good
If you're gonna go for a power fantasy you might as well go all-out

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>semi-reversed isekai

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Based and truthpilled, only losers need escapist power-fantasies

redpill me on this game, is it worth playing? is the twist really that meta or some shit?
I adored DRV3 for its ending so if this strikes any of those similar notes I'll pick it up

>slice of life, moe

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>Isekai
>Harem
>Over-powered

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b-b-b-b-buh if you don't like moe/sol you're a SHOUNENFAG!!!

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>CGDCT

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Is One Punch Man the only manga that does the "Hero is too OP" right?

i'm neither, faggot.

There's literally 4 of those airing this season and 6 if you count native isekai.

t-t-t-t-that doesn't make any SENSE! why would you not like sol/moe if you're not a shounen fag!

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>literally asspull the character
it's crappy shounenshit

read Helck
OPM is good tho make sure you read the webcomic

It's an ironic shounenshit that became an actual shounenshit along the way.
There's tons of stories with overpowered protagonists that managed to make them interesting in some way, especially if they are healing stories.

>asspull
>character is established as the strongest in every way
>also a parody manga
basado, fun-hating retardo

Mob psycho did it better

Why is under-powered Isekai so rare? Not counting the ones where the MC gets super-OP later on.
It makes for a much more engaging story when they start at the bottom of the barrel and need to use ingenuity and previous world knowledge to survive.

so you're telling me there are 6 right now that are basically porn? no holds barred?

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it's unfair to compare them. OPM is a parody manga with elder god-tier art, MP100 is a soulful coming of age story

Whats the point? Just make a fantasy light novel instead.

Grimgar was great

>post-2012 isekai

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man Digimon was great

Why don't we have threads anymore?

>Helck
>the manga with
>humans bad
>demons good
Fuck you.

user says while on an image board that discusses escapist power fantasies

>somehow managing to speedread a manga that's only 100 or so chapters long
I'm not sure whether to feel impressed or not but that's certainly something,a non

I've read it long ago dumbass. Humans being forced to become evil doesn't excuse it. There's this one scene I still remember. About how the demon that kills heroes is good and forgiven eventhough the hero just want to save people. So, again. Fuck you.

OPM’s shtick got too old too fast
If you want good “Hero is too OP” with off screen training go for Ragna Crimson
The fights aren’t entertaining because Ragna is strong, but because Ragna is hellbent in killing all the dragons as fast as possible due to good personal reasons

there are quite a few of those including untranslated ones, you just need to search instead of whine

Name one
>inb4 hurr durr SAO and all of the ones with long names and “in another world” titles
I feel that most anons who complain about isekai won’t even be able to name any besides the ones posted here, thus showing how much of a fucking sperg they are for complaining about something they have no actual experience on reading

And how is any other work of fiction different? All I see are childish excuses how their own genres are somehow "legit entertainment" that "shouldn't count as escapism". Give me one good reason why your favorite work of fiction isn't escapism. Come on, give me reason!
Pro Tip: You Can't.

Yes, they are discussed here, by losers.
Just because some topic is also discussed on a forum you use doesn't mean that you like of are interested in that topic.
I am not , but I hate those power fantasies just the same.

Those works of fiction don't count as escapism because they actually teach real life lessons that keep you grounded while Isekai is blatant escapism that drives you further into degeneracy by playing into and furthering unhealthy desires.

What's wrong with self-insert power-fantasy isekai?

Why would you be pathetic enough to need one?

No they don't. Those things are often "ideologically tainted" by the author and force these views on the readers while the reader either inclines to agree to begin with, or feels uncomfortable from the immersion being broken. Besides those "lessons" are usually just an extra. If you want life advice you'd read a (good) self-help book instead.

By not being conceited enough to deny myself easy pleasures based on other user subjective concepts of pathetic.

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Then what do you want? MC get super cultivation manual that let him cultivate 1 million times faster than the genius young master?

I don't need help, this world does: it's shit.
Bring me another one and stop bitching about people writing books about it.

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Telling others to stop liking what you don't like is pathetic.

>the Mc is a skinny twink
>the Mc is a beta in real life but gets cheat powers in the other world

>gets companionship and sex without any need to put in effort to be a social person
My favorite read.

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You can just type "isekai". The rest of that is redundant

That's a much more realistic MC, even if he stays far too paranoid later.

As is rest of the season, they should just make isekai anime and nothing else.

>he stays far too paranoid later
>Empire founder had Hero class
>anyone having that class is considered rebellion and is sentenced to death
He's really not.

When he trusts Sherry not to kill him for her freedom, I think he could at least trust her with a little more information that could help her plan better.

>self-insert revenge-fantasy isekai
It's not even well written.
I've no idea why it was so popular

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Gee I wonder why?

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Generic waifu characters are everywhere, and there's really nothing special or unique about that one.

>Generic waifu characters are everywhere
Not daughterwives, those are still somewhat rare and almost always popular.
>men only want one thing and it's fucking disgusting

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>isekai as a term sprang into existence around 2016 used to describe the booming trend of WN/LN stories of everyday Japanese high-schoolers being killed and reincarnated into another fantasy world heavily inspired by MMOs or DQIII, as the MC proceeds to quickly rise in power and amass a harem of females
>frequent features are being allowed to take a single gift into the next world, in-world RPG mechanics, MC being a bland self-insert, and CROP ROTATION

>"what's an isekai?"
>"stories where the character is transported to another world"
>"aren't Spirited Away and Escaflowne isekais too?"
>"yeah but those are good"
>"so isekai refers to shitty stories, then?"
this is why we need a better term to describe this shit

>self-insert power fantasy harem ecchi

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>Escaflowne
>good
I'd rather watch Kenja Mago and Arifureta for week straight than rewatch Escaflowne.

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No. You must reject the menacing sickness known as "isekai homebrew". Never ever ask an user to write you an isekai or any fictional stories alltogether. Don't get swayed by the minotaur. The minotaur just wants to see you write a prologue and then see you scream in agony as you are out of ideas and can't find any good ideas to connect different arcs together without resorting to timeskips followed by an exposition dump. Don't do it, user. It's for your own good.

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The immersion is only broken when the writer starts using their characters as mouthpieces. It's a product of bad writing and you see it a lot more often in anime when you have these characters start going off about how the world is or how it should be.

You really want the opposite?

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why not? nothing about isekai says it has to inherently be a power fantasy.

How about you shove those red pills up your ass.

I no longer have the energy to judge most isekai, but I do judge the people who defend it as legitimately good. It's perfectly fine to enjoy it the way someone enjoys porn or the way your girlfriend enjoys Hallmark, but its primary function is not to tell a good story and most isekai aren't worth talking about on those merits. Most fiction functions as some kind of escapist fantasy, it's just that the fantasy is often secondary to the story an author wanted to tell.

Parts of them are good, and how much is good depends on the ability of the author. Most of these isekai just don't have a great author or an editor who knows what's important to keep and what needs to go

Based. I can't get into this overpowered harem self-insert shit. I feel like a loser being pandered to. At the end of the day, I'm an average guy with average social success (although I prefer to keep to myself and close circle of friends). I don't need extreme pandering to escape reality.

>fetish-pandering garbage
>it somehow gets more than 2 seasons

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Ah another retarded thread

There is no "native isekai", just cliched fantasy.

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>yfw the thread is more pathetic than those

but I like isekai about cute girls and/or resurrected as a monster stories

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Subversion Naofumi is STILL the shit of the four heroes and jobs alot making it feel like a journey rather than curbstomp. It stops being revenge fantasy by volume 5 and becomes slice of life mixed with boss battles or something.

Fuck off Marche

Even Kiba didn't benefit much from having the MC be from another world.

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Good or bad writing is unrelated to whether the so-called "lesson" is good or not, or rather whether it's compatible with the views of the audience or not. Though bad writing can make even a "good" lesson shit due to how it's presented. But at the end of the day the compatibility issue still exists one way or another. There is no story that can teach an universally valid and accepted "lesson". That'd be fiction in of itself.

Usagi Drop

Very popular, yes.

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Of course there is no universally valid or accepted lesson. You can always disagree with the lesson or message of a story but after reading all the way through, you're guaranteed to come out with a new perspective. If you resonate with it instead, you end up learning something new about yourself.

Because of isekai i start respecting Miyazaki's opinion.

Which is again, just a nice bonus at best. People don't read fiction to "learn a lesson" (I refuse the statistically insignificant niché group that DOES do it for that reason as being representatives of a global standard for fiction), so it's absolutely not a primary indicator for quality. People read fiction to be entertained. You try very hard to turn a secondary aspect of fiction into its primary one when it isn't.

I think you're arguing something completely different here. No one said people read fiction just to learn a lesson and that it's a primary aspect. My original point was that works of fiction having a central message or "lesson" that relates to real life is what makes it different from blatant escapism like self-insert isekai. The point I originally replied to made a claim that every work of fiction is escapism on the level of isekai.

I just love the trope that, even though it's fucking fantasy and most people would be birderline illiterate, even the nobility, there are a fuckton of academys every fucking where! Japan can't get away from the fucking school settings! This might have nothing to do with this thread anymore! Call the cops I don't give a fuck!

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Probably because as a Japanese target audience person you have school to have fun, and then the rest of your life to spend wallowing in one of the most oppressive and depressing work cultures in the developed world.

>no male main character

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But it IS. Having something you can take away from it is, again, just an afterthought. Most people don't read fiction for that. They read it to be entertained. Also it's not like all isekai are the same either. There is different quality among isekai as well.
Again, "getting a souvenir" out of an escapist literature, i.e. a work of fiction, doesn't make it any less escapist. Fiction is something you are supposed to immserse yourself into. All works of fiction are INHERENTLY escapist no matter how much you decorate them with high quality writing.

Hellsing.
Alucards fight are just fun to watch for the spectacle and there are enough likeable sidecharacters that acutally might die that there's some tension.

Alright, so one guy reads a sci-fi series that explores how certain technology would affect our society while another guy reads a trashy isekai with an overpowered MC and a harem that's always thirsting after the MC, are both of them on the same level of escapism?

Not him but
>both of them on the same level of escapism
Depends on how precise you need to be in your petty elitism measurements. It's entertainment retard, if you use even it to try and look better than others, going as far as spending your time proving your superior taste on anonymous paraguayan rope-weaving forum - you've got issues mate.

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Is isekai hell for the weebs?

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>are both of them on the same level of escapism?

Yes? You are just enjoying the world another person created, there is no guarantee that you will learn anything useful from any of those stories, and the "lesson" contained in those stories might sound completely retarded for someone living in a different way or with more experience.
You might had a point if you had said "the guy who reads non-fiction and biographies about successful people vs the guy who only reads escapism trash", one of those two will steadily learn new useful things, he will see how people all over the world successfully overcame stressful and dangerous situations, and he may even emulate some of the traits and behaviors displayed by those people, which may or may not bring success to himself. The other guy will just get his dick hard after reading how waifu 325655 is lusting after generic mc dick.

When I read fiction I want to immerse myself in someone else imagination, sometimes you can find some knowledge or lesson there, but most of the time the story is there just to amuse, and that's okay, reading about how to survive an alien invasion might not add anything to my skill set, but I can still have fun sharing in the story someone else created.

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I don't even like easy rpg's in actual real life why would I want to consume media even more passive media with the same problem?

Give it ten-fifteen years you're probably too young and energetic for passive media.

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>stay alive for art, beauty, romance, love
>most anons are ugly and forever alone
Guess we are all still alive just the art of anime huh fellows?

>You might had a point if you had said "the guy who reads non-fiction and biographies about successful people vs the guy who only reads escapism trash"

How is this any different from my example? In my example, the guy reading that sci-fi series would learn about tangible issues and he could go out and spread awareness or advocate for policies to prevent those issues similar to how the guy reading biographies could go out and try to emulate a historical figure's actions. In both examples readers would learn something and they can end up being influenced to do things that affect the real world.

>the guy reading that sci-fi series would learn about tangible issues and he could go out and spread awareness

And the thing is....he "could" learn something, or he could learn nothing, not every story needs or should contain a lesson, and what an author believes to be relevant might as well be an non issue four years down the road.
Also authors trying to force a point or lesson is exactly the kind of thing that piss off readers and make them drop books.
I'm getting the felling that you believe only stories that contain some kind of lesson are worthwhile to read, but for me a story needs to be only engaging, I have dropped too many books because I noticed the "hand of the author" trying to force his views on what he believes to be "tangible issues", and once that happens the story dies instantly, because I now know I am not reading a good story, but just someone else attempt to push his views on me.

You're still missing the point, I never said stories need lessons to be worthwhile and I get that you don't like it when an author pushes their views on you but it's unrelated argument of whether or not every story is escapist on the level of isekai. It's fine if you think reading trashy isekai is worthwhile but you're being disingenuous if you think a fictional story with themes and morals reflecting real life is escapism comparable to an isekai where you just run away from all your issues and indulge in fantasies you'll never realize.