Why is new anime so trash?

SDF Macross, the only macross worth watching.

>new anime
only see boomer anime in that pic OP

2007 was best

This is mid 1980s OVA animation.

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And this is weekly 2019 TV animation.
What went so right?

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Crud

Old thing good.
New thing bad.

nothing changes

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Every fucking time you fucking goddamn boomers of course you think old anime is good thats only because only the good shit is remembered do you honestly think shit like hajimete no gal will be remembered 10 or 15 years from now no you fucking arthritis Niggers say old moe anime is great because they watched fucking sailor moon on television how many shitty old series have gone forgotten god damn you faggots are unbearable

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Learn English.

It's honestly comparable to modern works.
I do appreciate the various art styles of the 80s that have now congealed into like the 2 or 3 different ones you see now.
That's what I actually like about old anime.
The character designs were unique and varied.

Of all the "OLD GOOD, NEW BAD" charts, this is easily the worst. Comparing cherrypicked stills which are outliers even within their own series to superflat and long-running shounen series borders on downright retardation.

But the designs themselves are still worthy of argumentation. Forget about the shading for a moment. That's irrelevant because the way things are drawn is ultimately more important.

>The character designs were unique and varied.
This! Today it's all the same bug-eyed moeshit, and bland black/brown haired generic Japanese kid no matter the anime you're watching.

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Your kind truly are the niggers of Yea Forums.

How can you compare animation when its not even animated????

>Click a random date in the 90s
>Look at all the old anime to air in the year
>mfw
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Where's the shading? why is there so much moeshit? Is that an adaptation of an isekai light novel!? wtf?

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Mikimoto is the only good designer on the left. And are you really going to discredit Sadamoto and Oda?

Enjoy your sameface and ugly giant eyes & mouths.

2007 was indeed best, 1996 wasn't bad.

Looks like the anime on the right need a little more shading for it to be considered good to you.

>Click a random date in the 90s
>1983

this is bait but it's because everything has been turned into a production line and the industry won't take any risks. So it's nothing but the weakest, safest, sameyest shit done in low-effort 3DCG

Basically the same as the western animation industry. Everything has to look the same and have identical themes and stories that the latest focus group decided would get the best ratings.

Shit will continue to go downhill until indie anime becomes a thing.

Alita came out in 93 though

Very intelligent post

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>newfags who hate anime and assume that old = good cherrypicking examples of what's "good" and "bad" as a circlejerk about how the "industry" is dying forms around them
Never gets old. Thank you for the daily comedy.

If you wanna prove that modern anime has great art and animation, try posting something that doesn't look like vomit.

All anime is trash

Anime has not gotten worse, it's gotten better. You only think it's worse because it's a far cry from what you liked when you first got into anime and where there are a lot of classics from.
The majority of the people who hold the opinion of anime being better back in the day are those who were living better and happier lives as teenagers back in those days instead of going through the grind of adult life and as such look back on old anime with rose colored glasses. Old anime has bad shows and good shows just as there is now a days.

You think neutral people arent feeding either side of the argument to bait retards?
I do challenge you to find a modern anime that has characters that look like they could be in an 80s anime though. And no, adaptations of manga from the 80s DO NOT COUNT.

Because of a lot of reasons that all have something to do with you and your hangups, not new anime.

Moeshit does not exist.

>the industry won't take any risks
They do, but you won't watch anything they make. You refuse to even acknowledge the existence of what they make. You just want to complain. Year after year you just hang around here, or some other anime community, and you complain. You don't watch anything, you just complain.

There’s no way SDF had a character shot that good looking, that’s gotta be DYRL.

every anime-loving commie still participates in capitalist systems. short of packing up and moving to DPRNK, pretty much impossible to escape it

That's a lot of projection. You're objectively wrong. Here are the facts
>animation studios are making less money than ever due to the way anime is funded nowadays and working on tighter budgets
>the retention rate of animators is at an all time low, due to historically low wages, making skilled animators scarce
>there is less experimentation in the animation market due to the fact that anime is entirely funded by committees composed of several merchandising sponsors and animation studios have little to no autonomy due to their tight financial situation

It's very simple. Smaller budgets and less profits means that there are fewer skilled animators. The anime industry is bigger and there is tons of merchandising, but the actual animation studios are poorer than ever. Consequently, their work has suffered.

At the height of Japanese animation, the craft was incredibly well funded. Animators had a lot of control and were stars in their own rights within the animation world. The skill level was very high among animators and the medium was constantly being pushed to new heights simply for the sake of animation. Nowadays, the money goes to merchandising companies and voice actors who are treated like idols. Animators have hit rock bottom and with an ageing workforce that can't keep new blood due to workplace difficulties, the skill level has dropped dramatically.

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>this image again
This studio is a support studio that does not make its own anime. Other studios at the time were making the sort of anime that this image is implying wasn't getting made. The studio owner is speaking only on his own behalf. The animator completely undercuts the point the owner is making. Why does this keep being posted?

>there is less experimentation in the animation market
Yeah, if you close your eyes and ears and pretend it's not there.

>Nowadays, the money goes to merchandising companies and voice actors who are treated like idols.
Voice actors earn as much as hundreds of dollars per episode, and the late night anime character merchandising industry started with Evangelion.

Cope all you want, but your headcanon will never be reality.
>anime character merchandising industry started with Evangelion.
No, it didn't. It's been around since the 1960s. It exploded in the 1970s. It became geared towards waifus in the early 2000s.

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There was no cope and there was no headcanon.

>No, it didn't. It's been around since the 1960s. It exploded in the 1970s.
Did you intentionally quote me out of context and then pretend that's what I said?

>It became geared towards waifus in the early 2000s.
A waifu is a character you're married to and is entirely subjective and not very important. I buy merchandise all the time for characters that aren't my wife.

>I do challenge you to find a modern anime that has characters that look like they could be in an 80s anime though.
What do I win?

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>anime character merchandising industry started with Evangelion
False. You can fuck off now, retard.

So yes, you did intentionally quote me out of context and then build a strawman. You can fuck off now.

>anime character merchandising industry started with Evangelion
It's still not true.

Shit animation from cgi shortcuts and pandering to degenerates.

Fuck off. You quoted me out of context so you could attack a strawman.

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50 replies and nobody posted this?

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>Japan 80s economy
>OVAs compared to ongoing animated series released on weekly basis.
Why does this board get off at pretending to be retarded?

Ah, now this is the good stuff. Fuck moeshit.

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Wow they completely lost the essence of what the character is supposed to be

Even the girls in 80s anime could kick the ass of a present male protagonist, while doing so in a way informed by the best 80s action movie style and dripping in mecha (e.g. the Knight Sabers).

Truly the era of MANIME.

Yeah they should have kept her the same as in the past five iterations so people could then instead complain about how unoriginal anime is.

Yeah I wish today's male protagonists could be badasses like in Kimagure Orange Road.

Obligatory.

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If only we could return to the glory days....

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Nice bait

Why can't today's anime look as good as OVAs?

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Agreed, just look at this manly badass right here. You wouldn't catch him crying, letting people slap him, calling himself autistic, or any of that pussy shit.

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For comparison, here's a betacuck from 2019.

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I'd rather watch dangaioh then most of the stuff we get today, it's not amazing or anything but it's some dumb fucking fun

Kay is a rather girly sounding name. Are you sure that fellow doesn't get bossed around by a little girl?

>bug-eyed moeshit
>bland black/brown haired generic Japanese kid no matter the anime you're watching.
You do notice the left side is basically the same shit? I'm having a hard time telling if you're being sarcastic or just retarded.

>cherrypicking the thread

The left side seem comprised mainly of students. The right side is full of adults.

>Error: You seem to have mistyped the CAPTCHA. Please try again.
No, I actually did not mistype it.

>that cheap cg floor and background
>the way the screen randomly darkens when there's too much cg on screen
>gratuitous zoom ins and screen shake as a replacement for actual animation
The real kicker is that the stock footage isn't even as good as the 1997 stock footage its referencing.

What a strawman argument. No, they should have kept the characterization intact instead of just making her a generic pretty girl.

He's still pretty manly despite looking like a girl and being austistic

Even these pudgy otaku from KOR could annihilate a twink from today's shows. All the while with a "legendary cutlet sandwich" in one hand and a nudie book in the other.

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Eva killed anime
Prove me the fuck wrong

Retard

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>the way the screen randomly darkens when there's too much cg on screen
It's an anti-epilepsy requirement that everyone has to follow.

>gratuitous zoom ins and screen shake as a replacement for actual animation
Why is it that every time there's any screen shake effect used in anime, you people immediately declare that there's no animation? What the fuck is that?

>a generic pretty girl.
She's easily distinct from other anime characters and also easily recognizable as another incarnation of Nekomusume, so in what way is she supposed to be generic?

Yeah, ok.

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You sure about that?

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In the 80s, real men of action wore football helmets into battle...just because that's how we rolled.

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>It's an anti-epilepsy requirement
Then don't make epileptic tier clutter.
>Why is it that every time there's any screen shake
Because it used to cover up a lack of animation and it's a poor stylistic choice nine times out of ten.
>She's easily distinct from other anime characters
You are either retarded or ESL. The character is supposed to be slightly ugly and unsettling because it fits the tone of the series and character. Instead, they made her into a generic moe character for profits' sake.

Fuck yourself, moron.

This is weekly TV animation from 2003 and looks much better than that

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Have some more

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CG has ruined anime for good. Anime production has always been about cost cutting, but working with cels limited this if you didn't want to turn into Clutch Cargo. Vehicle animation is dead because of cheap cg puppetry, all sorts of other ugliness too.

>Then don't make epileptic tier clutter.
They didn't. Screen dimming is used all the time in anime if there's anything resembling lights flashing.

>Because it used to cover up a lack of animation and it's a poor stylistic choice nine times out of ten.
It's used for effect and that fucking clip is full of animation, but you retards have this weird condition where you think that screen shaking = no animation.

>You are either retarded or ESL.
Go look up what generic means and then stop projecting your ESL onto others.

>they made her into a generic moe characte
She isn't generic and moe is not a character type, it is a feeling a viewer may have towards a charactter.

>for profits' sake
Waah anything I don't like is a capitalist conspiracy to oppress me.

>Fuck yourself, moron.
Take your own advice you fucking subhuman.

What's the bottom left?

this?

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Rule of cool

Impossible, animation supposedly died on 1/1/2000.

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>They didn't.
>Screen dimming is used if there's anything resembling lights flashing.
You are literally retarded. "hurr if I put this thing that falls under epileptic editing, it doesn't count epileptic animation decisions because reasons". Don't. Put. Shit. That. Falls. Under. Epileptic. Guidelines.
>It's used for effect
It's used to cover up poor animation by giving the illusion of movement.
>Go look up
English classes.
>She
Was moefied.
>Waah
Stop crying.
>Take your
Head out of your ass.

That's bullshit and I know it. I started watching anime back in 2011 and i still vastly prefer 80/90s anime to this 10s or 00s bullshit.

If you weren't such a newfag then you'd know that it takes very little to mandate those screen dimmings.

This is what originally caused these measures to be put into place:
youtube.com/watch?v=Wu-KAY3lJ6A

>It's used to cover up poor animation by giving the illusion of movement.
It's used for effect. You have a mental illness. The scene is full of animation.

>English classes.
Why do you refuse to look up what the word generic means?

>Was moefied.
Moe is a feeling you may have towards a character. It is not a character type or character trait. The preceding Nekomusume isn't any less or more moe than the current one.

>Stop crying.
Stop projecting.

>Head out of your ass.
I am right, you are wrong.

I'd say going digital killed it (there's obvious exceptions of course.)

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>If you weren't such a newfag then you'd know that it takes very little to mandate those screen dimmings.
You are fucking retarded. There are modern standards which exist for epilepsy. The animators know of this. They still chose to put in things that would require the dimming. It's a poor stylistic choice that could have been avoided by eliminating the elements which require dimming. However, you don't seem to have a strong enough grasp of English to comprehend what is being conveyed.

>It's used for effect. You have a mental illness.
You have no argument.

>Why do you
keep pretending that you aren't ESL?

>Moe
Look up the word colloquial and then lurk more, newfaggot.

>Stop
posting.

>I am a waste of space
Yes, you are.

>>Was moefied.
>Moe is a feeling you may have towards a character. It is not a character type or character trait. The preceding Nekomusume isn't any less or more moe than the current one.
Bullshit, there is certainly a defined moe aesthetic and, like the legal definition of porn, "I know moe when I see it". It's a certain, disgusting, homogenization and pandering aimed at the sperm covered hugpillow set.

(I am a different poster)

> Don't. Put. Shit. That. Falls. Under. Epileptic. Guidelines.
Or they can draw it as they wish and remove the filter for the home release version.
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We will never get an anime as good looking as this(maybe pluto)

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The girls actually look like girls and not infants.

>remove epileptic elements for TV version
>restore them for home release
The "I'm not a retard" solution. It's as simple as unchecking layers in an image editing program.

You're making it seem as if the animation is some fucking crazy flashing lights everywhere that are obviously going to require dimming. It doesn't have to be anything like that. These shows are also released on video afterwards where the dimmin is removed.

>You have no argument.
And what's your argument? Oh yeah: they used screen shaking, therefore there is no animation. That's mental illness.

>keep pretending that you aren't ESL?
You refuse to look up what generic means or otherwise discuss the meaning of the word. You have no grounds for claiming that I'm ESL.

>Look up the word colloquial and then lurk more, newfaggot.
Its colloquial meaning is a mish mash of contradictory bullshit that nobody can agree on, newfaggot.

>posting.
No, I won't.

>Yes, you are.
I never said that. The fact that you have to now resort to just making up things that I never said proves that you have no more arguments and have lost the debate.

>Bullshit, there is certainly a defined moe aesthetic
No there is not.

>It's a certain, disgusting, homogenization and pandering aimed at the sperm covered hugpillow set.
This is narcissistic newfag meme nonsense.

>and not infants.
?

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Aside from moeshitters everyone can see what moe is.

No, you think you can see what moe is, but you don't actually understand at all.

literally you

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>anyone who actually knows things about anime is a hyper cringe weeb
You need to go back.

>cherrypicked chibi scene of a 14 year old
The character designs are not infantile.

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soul/soulless

>new anime
>2002-2006
Now that's what I call living in the past.
Literally you.

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Blame millennials that started watching anime with High School DxD.

Hate to break the news to you, but moe, neckbeards, and hugpillows go well together. Maybe starts out ironic like brony shit, but soon you are a moefag degenerate. Better look in the mirror.

Thinks have only gotten worse with time.

>average Korean animation circa 1982

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Absolutely retarded.
There's a difference between feeling moe towards a character and a character specifically designed to induce moe in moeshitters.

You can't design such a character since everyone likes different things.

Kamille is an autist role model.
If an autistic girl can save the universe, you can too.

>being this delusional
Tell that to the designers of all the crap that shows up in a "moe" image search. Try and tell me there is not a unifying thread of pander running through said images.

Reminder that Maximilian is a CHAD.

literally better than the original gundam

I was so surprised by his gar voice

Moe is different for everyone. It is not possible to make a moe character. Something is not pandering just because you don't like it. Why are you people so fucking stupid?

Damn, they really ditched the entire character for mainstream appeal eh?

Cobra came out in that year and still holds up

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>Damn, they really ditched the entire character for dick appeal

Laziness and greed. Even fucking movies and OVAs cut corners these days and there's little visual consistency.

What do you think the series was before? Underground? It was mainstream from the start. It's always been mainstream. If anything, it probably has more otaku appeal now.

That's because Cobra is Dezaki kinography.

Yeah people join the anime industry because they're lazy and want to take it easy with a low stress job.

holy shit, now I know where they got the idea for this scene

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>take female body
>put nonthreatening infantile head on top
It doesn't even need to appeal to everyone but a certain crowd. It's working after all.

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The image is a bit reatrded because it compared VAs/Movies to tv series BUT things have legit gotten worse since then with 3dcg being forced to replace anime more and more. New anime is still worse.

You can't be serious. Neither of the two looks good, but this is pure garbage. Has /m/ rotted your brain?

That is some damn nice mechanical sakuga.

Mamoru Oshii is returning to TV anime for the first time since Urusei Yatsura in 1984. That's probably the first new anime I will ever watch.

>put nonthreatening infantile head on top
This is feminist gobbledygook. Nobody is threatened by anime characters, and characters aren't infantilized just because they aren't getting double penetrated by niggers while doing coke.

K-On's characters are not moe because, once again, moe is different for everyone. My favorite K-On character is Nodoka, who is not like the moe strawman that's based on Yui.

FUCK nu """""""""""""""""anime""""""""""""""""". I miss when mechs were actually gorgeously hand drawn like this. I miss real mecha.

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Then watch it and stop complaining, faggot.

Based.

You are really struggling to justify your fetish. You are playing a semantic game, when everyone knows exactly what set of attributes the term "moe" is predicated of in the present context. This can be exactly defined, objectively in terms of definite facial proportion and geometry, an exact aesthetic.

I did not say or imply anything about any fetish. Are you legitimately mentally challenged?

>You are playing a semantic game, when everyone knows exactly what set of attributes the term "moe" is predicated of in the present context.
You don't know anything. You have no idea what the word means. Your "colloquial" usage of it has no stable meaning, it can mean practically anything.

>This can be exactly defined, objectively in terms of definite facial proportion and geometry, an exact aesthetic.
In other words you think that Rei and Asuka are not liked by anyone because they don't have the K-On look. Retarded.

Preech brother. I miss 2d mechanics too. The shit we have now is a disgrace, it can hardly even be called anime. It's not just that too. I miss when characters didn't obtrusively clash with 3d backgrounds. In terms of visual consistecy old anime was better and that is undeniable.

The 2d background here looks gorgeous unlike the fucking 3d trite we have forced into every single god damn show now. FUCK. I truly unironically miss this QUALITY. This is so much better than the ugly overanimated 3d abominations we have now. I also miss the creative limited animation of old anime.

Yea. It's called being a cgshit animator.

Stay mad

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Almost all anime is still hand-drawn, contrary to what your memes told you.

Yeah, background painting is dead now too. Also 2D background animation - some of that shit from the Bubble Era was absolutely nuts in terms of the planning required is shots moving through 3d space.

Bullshit. Vehicles, mecha, backgrounds...nearly all are cg to save money. Character animation is a very limited definition of "all anime".

Yes, I am awfully mad that this shitty anime I don't care about has shitty animation. How shall I recover?

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Triggered

Neither of those are dead.

So now you're moving the goalposts to 3D elements in hand-drawn shows.

Dilate

New anime is much better you tasteless faggots!

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This is nu """""""""""""anime""""""""""""", everyone. It's not even fucking anime anymore, it's soulless 3dcg. Even worse it's fucking overanimated.

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lazy/greedy writers, corrupt corporations = lazy plots

>hand-drawn shows.
If you consider planar characters in an otherwise totally synthetic cg environment a "hand drawn show"...come on.

CG was a pandoras box which had no turning back once opened because of the $$$ saved.

Soul/souless

...

They still don't look like high school girls but children who still retain some sex-appeal.
I don't understand what's so hard to get about the character looking innocent and half their age? That's moeshit look.
Rei and Asuka don't have the classic moeshit look.

but this is all from the same anime, the same episode even.

Stop fucking lying. He's right. This isn't the 90s anymore, cgi is anal raping this medium. Mechanical and background animation is all but replaced by cgi now. We have ZERO actual anime left, only full 3dcg abominations and 2d shows rife with corner cutting 3dpd.

Fuck man. This is extremely sad. I've been watching seasonal anime these last 2 decades and it's gotten considerably worse. I've seen it happen. CG has really fucked up this industry.

High Elf Archer is hot but you are fucking retarded.

>shitty animation
Buy glasses

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Animation is still drawn on paper just like before.

Moeshit doesn't exist. There is no moe look. There are no moe characters.

I did not lie anywhere, and the fact that you have to falsely accuse me of doing so means you have no arguments and have conceded defeat.

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Are you genuinely autistic? Hand drawn shows are meant to be hand drawn but we can't even fucking have that now. How is he not right? Practically every fucking 2d show is doing backgrounds and mechanics in 3dcg now. It's disgusting. We really are entering the dark ages of anime. I can't stand these "fake anime" where eveything is actaully 3dcg shit but the characters are still drawn so they pretend it's ok. IT'S NOT.

>hurrr autistic
You concede defeat.

I was talking about the previous webm, you drooling retard. The Astro Boy webm was fine.

>me watch garbage from 50 years ago so me smart
just because it's old doesn't make it good
only good stuff there is Lodoss and Fma
late 90s and early 2000s was peak

No one has conceded but you, you autistic spamming cgshit apologist.

> (You)
>Animation is still drawn on paper just like before.
Yeah, for fucking characters and nothing else - as I already said. That's a huge downgrade from the old days.

All of the webms are from Astro boy, you should really buy those glasses

>Animation is still drawn on paper just like before.
Why did you reply to him with a non sequitur?

>I did not lie anywhere, and the fact that you have to falsely accuse me of doing so means you have no arguments and have conceded defeat.
Backgrounds and especially mechanics are effectively dead now you autistic fucking troll.

You automatically concede when you resort to these tactics.

In conclusion, anime remains hand-drawn.

>nyah nyah, I know you are but what am I
Literally the logic of a manchild with a 5 year old mind in the body of a smelly old neckbeard.

>nyah nyah, I know you are but what am I
I never said anything like this.

>manchild
>neckbeard
Another concession.

Yeah, real great arguments you guys have here.

Your rigid, mechanical reasoning displayed here supports the aforementioned diagnosis of autism, you sperg.

Is this the OBJECTIVE CHARTS thread?

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By falsely and randomly accusing me of autism you are conceding defeat. You got cornered so badly that pulling the autism card was the only thing you could do.

Astro boy's more soft mecha then anything but I agree

>you
That poster wasn't me you Schizophrenic troll.

And now you have to falsely and randomly accuse me of being a schizo. And a troll, even though that contradicts everything you've said before.

It's not ad hominem to point out when one's reasoning is faulty to your extent with your rehashed defense of patently false assertions.

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You conceded defeat. Why continue posting?

QED

>cgshit apologist continues to spam
pottery

I have not spammed anywhere, and this is just another random false accusation. I am just pointing out the fact that you conceded defeat, and asking why you are still posting.

So you are now claiming 2 of us have supposedly "conceded defeat" now? When your tacit display of defeat has been on display since many posts back?

Talk about doubling down on the stupid.

You did concede defeat, yes. So why continue posting? What is the point? There's nothing to talk about anymore.

The cgshit apologist clearly Schizophrenic.

>Why is new anime so trash?
It no longer has my waifu

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that isn't a strawman and he didn't quote you out of context, destiny.

QUADS CONFIRM!!!!!!!!

lol imagine getting cross over someone's opinion, especially on a anonymous message board

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No I'm not. This is a random false accusation. You lost the argument so badly that this is all you can do now.

Yes he did quote me out of context and you can't show that he didn't.

>
>QUADS CONFIRM!!!!!!!!
Especially those particular digits...

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Fuck off Otaking77077.

He's based though.

based

Magic Knight Rayearth-Sailor Moon-Leda the fantastic adventure of Yohko-Iczer One-Iria Zeiram-Gall Force-Goldfish Warning!-3x3 Eyes-Burn Up!-Capricorn-D.N.A-Birth Neo-Bubblegum Crisis-Rance-Ah!My Goddess-Dragon Half-Daicon IV-Otaku no Video-Gulliver Boy-Ranma 1/2-Gunbuster-Dreamhunter Key-Outlanders-Dirty Pair-Record of Lodoss War-Genji Tsuusin Agedama-Eva-Bakuen Campuss Guarderess-Dominion Tank Poilce-Dragon Pink-Urusei Yatsura-Elf 17

You guys told me tv anime looks as good as movies now.

>everything has been turned into a production line and the industry won't take any risks
>>Japan 80s economy

Modern anime is lacking in budget and originality and everyone knows it, Anyone who watches seasonal anime for more than a year will notice it

The problem is not very many older anime hold up.The pacing of older anime can be boringly while also not appealing to what most people want to see today. 80's anime was made for the 80's and dealt with topics that People living in that time were dealing with.For every classic there are at least 20 worthwhile recent shows that probably appeal to you more.

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>Modern anime is lacking in budget and originality and everyone knows it, Anyone who watches seasonal anime for more than a year will notice it
Anyone who watches seasonal anime knows the opposite. It is a myth that anime is lacking originality.

What did you expect from Otaking? Honesty? You poor thing.

ok
i.4cdn.org/a/1563178052659.webm

>blurry, waif-y linework
>attempts at dynamic camerawork that make the foreground and background wobble randomly independent of eachother
I'm just so tired of it. What is it about digital animation that stops this country from being able to learn how to use it?

>Modern anime is lacking in budget and originality and everyone knows it
Oh hello Yea Forums.

>shitty animation
>Goes on to say the animation was fine
Are you bipolar or braindead?

Saying shit like Gunbuster, Dirty Pair, Ranma or fucking eva is comparable to moeshit like Gochiusa is stupid.

Quality comparison aside there definitely has been a trend that pushed certain shows more towards an absolute focus on cuteness.
Denying that is retarded on any level.

Moeshit doesn't exist.

2006 was 13 years ago,anime on the right is ancient and the anime on the left is prehistoric,heck most of Yea Forums were little children in the 2000s.
You should really get on with life and get a job have a family and let cartoons be for children as they were intended to be gramps.

The past year has been exactly the same every show is either a generic isekai, generic harem or generic moe garbage. there are 5-10 original anime a season But half of them are worse than the generic harem anime.

>muh isekai
>muh harem
>muh moe
>"generic"
Confirmed for not watching anime. Every person who doesn't watch anime always has these exact same bogeymen every time. Why do you people keep pretending like you know anything about what's going on with anime?

isekai
>dr stone
>Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou
>Isekai Cheat Magician
>Maou-sama, Retry!

harem
>Kawaikereba Hentai demo Suki ni Natte Kuremasu ka?
>Tejina-senpai
>Tsuujou Kougeki ga Zentai Kougeki de Ni-kai Kougeki no Okaasan wa Suki Desu ka?

Moe
>Uchi no Ko no Tame naraba, Ore wa Moshikashitara Maou mo Taoseru kamo Shirenai.
>Sounan Desu ka?
>Araburu Kisetsu no Otome-domo yo.
>Joshikousei no Mudazukai
>Granbelm
>Machikado Mazoku
>Re:Stage! Dream Days
>Dumbbell Nan Kilo Moteru?

other unwatchable shows
>Kochouki: Wakaki Nobunaga
>Bem
>Nakanohito Genome
>Yubisaki kara no Honki no Netsujou: Osananajimi wa Shouboushi

I guess You're right man isekai cheat magician and maou-sama retry! are super original and i'm just using buzzwords because they sound cool.

>dr stone
Not isekai.

>Arifureta Shokugyou de Sekai Saikyou
>Isekai Cheat Magician
>Maou-sama, Retry!
So that's a grand total of three.

>Kawaikereba Hentai demo Suki ni Natte Kuremasu ka?
>Tejina-senpai
>Tsuujou Kougeki ga Zentai Kougeki de Ni-kai Kougeki no Okaasan wa Suki Desu ka?
Again only three, and one of those is a short anime.
>Moe
Does not mean anything.

>other unwatchable shows
The other problem with you people is that you think anything is automatically bad just because it's isekai or harem or some other meme.

>I guess You're right man isekai cheat magician and maou-sama retry! are super original
Did I say they are?

So anime went downhill in 74 or what?

Ah yes, can we ever go back to the times merchandising wasn't part of anime... Which was like, uh, the 40s?

Oh and also, I don't think Tejina-senpai is even a harem. At least so far it isn't.

Aren't you a decade late for this bait?

I'd say the originality levels are about the same, the industry has been mostly formula since the late 60s

old anime has such shit aesthetics

>220 replies
Definitely no

The anime industry is extremely varied and creative, but only the tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny minority of people who actually bother watching anime are ever aware of that.

Why did it all go so fucking wrong in the 00s? 10s is somewhat better but the damage seemingly can't be undone.

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western art and animation does the more "realistic" look 1000x better than anime ever has
modern anime looks far cleaner which to the majority of people is more satisfying

Western animation doesn't look as realistic as anime. Maybe they can have more realistic looking faces, but that's only a very small part.

who cares? its different now, but thats a given, of course things would change over like 40 years. but in most peoples' opinions its better now

Shit on the left looks good, but the quality of the shows themselves is low.
If Lodoss aired today with the generic isekai artstyle it would be considered worse than fucking Death March.
Sage and hide.

We need Hiro to make a linked MAL account a requirement to post on this board. I want to see how many anime all these ironic boomer weebs have actually seen. My guess is less than 500, and barely any from the pre-2000s.

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youve cherrypicked facts that support your side without considering anything else. how about thinking about these?

>animation as a medium has advanced massively over the decades - techniques, technology, new influences
>easier than ever to get into animation, leading to a much larger number of animators and an increase in skill in the industry overall
>anime is more popular than ever, meaning more shows getting made -> higher chance of at least a few of them being good

and guess what? 90% of good anime is NOT from the 80s, its from the 2000s

whatever your opinion is on the styles, your example is objectively less technically impressive

i mean, im not epileptic, but those flashing lights are still pretty fucking painful to look at. regardless of the purpose im glad that shit isnt commonplace

and they are all perfect

I'm still amazed that this doesn't have a blu ray yet

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are you talking modern vs modern? modern vs 80s? 80s vs modern? you gotta be more specific

Pretty much any period.

You boomers complain about cheap CG backgrouds yet it takes me no more than 30 seconds to find cheap CG backgrounds in that very same show.
sakugabooru.com/post/show/35315

Not exactly, everything in here was done with cels and no cg (it's also arguably more fluid) as opposed to the other one.

It only uses cg in the openings(link related) ,everything else was made with cels

>haha let me be selective about when it's ok!
Not how it works. There's less than 20 cuts. Two thirds of which are either from the OP or are unremarkable and shouldn't have been uploaded in the first place. Should tell everybody about the average animation quality, which is very far from the handful of webms you chose to cherrypick.

>dr stone Not isekai.
Dr stone is only not an isekai because they dont go through a portal to another world but instead wait 3000 years.

>Moe
Moe anime is anime where the main appeal is cute things.

>you think anything is automatically bad just because it's isekai or harem
I am watching 3 of the shows i have listed. Generic doesnt always mean the show is going to be bad but its a pretty safe bet.

>So that's a grand total of three.
When you add up the worst offenders half the season is already generic garbage.

Almost every show i listed is being watched not because of its direction/writing/pacing or any other reason but because of the tags attached to its name. none of these shows have something that sets them apart from the other anime in their genre. if that doesnt make these shows generic garbage I dont know what does

It's pretty much guaranteed that anyone who seriously uses "moeshit" for anything else besides pure shitposting has absolutely no fucking idea what they are talking about and is most likely some Yea Forumsedditor who has a very narrow understanding of anime.

If you unironically use MAL you're not any better, you fucking tourist.

Fuck off Otaking. You're a massive fucking autist and don't know shit.

>Granbelm falls under moe because it doesn't have something that sets it apart from the other anime in its genre
We did it, fellow boomers.

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>Moe anime is anime where the main appeal is cute things.
Jesus fucking christ. You dumbass niggers just never learn, do you?

Time travel is not isekai. If you have to pretend that a non-isekai show is isekai just so you can prove that there's too much isekai, it might be time to stop posting.

>Moe anime is anime where the main appeal is cute things.
So many different kinds of anime have been called moe that it doesn't mean anything, and it's never used positively or neutrally. It's always an insult and an accusation.

>When you add up the worst offenders half the season is already generic garbage.
Generic doesn't mean anything. This word is never used correctly.

>Almost every show i listed is being watched not because of its direction/writing/pacing or any other reason but because of the tags attached to its name.
This is projection. You judge shows based on the memes attached to them.

>none of these shows have something that sets them apart from the other anime in their genre.
I'm so sick of all these shows where the heroes yet again travel thousands of years into the future and try to reconstruct civilization through the power of science.

that's the joke, dumbass

This.

>Should tell everybody about the average animation quality, which is very far from the handful of webms you chose to cherrypick
You do know that Wikipedia credits this for it's near theatrical visuals, right? Anyhow see for yourself if it's cherrypicking www1.9anime.nl/watch/astro-boy-2003.5w89(best source I could find)

How were animators and studios funded before if not by companies funding them? Was it closer to a Western model where a tv station would contact a studio for x # of episodes.

And it's very constrained thinking let's say, that just because there are more animators due to decrease in the level of skill to enter and there are more shows being created (anime being more popular than ever sounds like a childs opinion. I'd have to see data on that) doesn't mean that the animation studios are well funded. It means they're churning out a lot of uninspired shit that requires low skill work because literally anything will sell if it has a creepy young looking girl in skirt.

funding and number/skill of animators are completely separate points, how the fuck did you manage to perform the mental acrobatics necessary to think that was a point anyone was making?

also,
>sounds like a childs opinion
what does this mean? anime is 100% more popular now than it was in the 80s, how can you even dispute that? its clear without looking at any figures

>watches fucking streams
>cites Wikipedia
Best be satire.

>they're churning out a lot of uninspired shit that requires low skill work because literally anything will sell if it has a creepy young looking girl in skirt.
Complete fantasy by a brainlet that doesn't know anything about anime.

>So many different kinds of anime have been called moe that it doesn't mean anything, and it's never used positively or neutrally. It's always an insult and an accusation.

except my definition is in no way an insult or accusation

>Generic doesn't mean anything. This word is never used correctly.
I can see how you think generic is always used incorrectly if you like so many generic shows and have to accuse the people calling you out of using "buzzwords" or "projecting"

I can keep bringing up arguments for why recent anime has been generic and you can keep on giving me reasons why your only show you are defending isnt garbage.

Give me a single reason why another show on my garbage list wont be forgotten the second the season ends.

literally everything is trash these days - anime, music, literature, love... basically everything besides philosophy and film have gone to absolute shit.

Go back.

bomers btfo

1st Naruto and fma are better than gunmm, lodoss and even macross

>except my definition is in no way an insult or accusation
Why are you lying? You're specifically complaining about bad shows and listed moe as one category and then followed it up with "other unwatchable shows."

>I can see how you think generic is always used incorrectly if you like so many generic shows and have to accuse the people calling you out of using "buzzwords" or "projecting"
There are almost no instances on Yea Forums where the word is used the way it's supposed to be used.

>I can keep bringing up arguments for why recent anime has been generic
No you cannot.

>Give me a single reason why another show on my garbage list wont be forgotten the second the season ends.
I don't have a crystal ball and a lot of high quality shows stop being talked about as soon as they have ended.

>Watches streams
Didn't I tell your dumb ass that's the best source I could find? Watch an episode and judge the quality since you think it's cherrypicking.

I've watched the first 10 episodes and it's unremarkable trash. The claim you referenced isn't even cited. It's some random volunteer who claims for the show to have theatric animation quality, which it doesn't. Tetsuwan Atom doesn't even manage to enter Top 15 for most well animated television shows from the early-mid 2000s. Maybe you should actually watch some anime, you retarded newfag.

Camille was ironically the least autistic character among all the retarfed cast in that shitty sequel

Funny thing, in current year anime from 2002-2006 is old as fuck.

No because nichijou is trash

No, it's not. You're just so retarded that you think everything is either rated 0 or 10 with nothing in between.

I sent you that link a good couple of minutes ago, 10 episodes of Astro boy are hours long, did you actually watch it or not? www1.9anime.nl/watch/astro-boy-2003.5w89/vrz227(try to watch it, had enough of spoonfeeding you)

nichijou is a 0

>and there are more shows being created
There are more shows, but there are far less episodes. The average anime series used to be ~30 episodes. Now it's 12.

>Why are you lying? You're specifically complaining about bad shows and listed moe as one category and then followed it up with "other unwatchable shows."

My problem from the very beginning was Generic shows. As it turns out Moe,Harem and isekai are very easy to sell as generic shows. As I said earlier you can sell these shows off the genre alone without any other redeeming qualities.

>There are almost no instances on Yea Forums where the word is used the way it's supposed to be used.

Maybe, that doesnt change the fact that I used it correctly and you still haven't given me any reason to think otherwise except

No you cannot.
>everything has been turned into a production line and the industry won't take any risks
The main argument that leads to a lot of others like, moe anime being cheaper and more likely to recoup costs with figurine sales.

>I don't have a crystal ball and a lot of high quality shows stop being talked about as soon as they have ended.

You have found a way to completely avoid the point, You dont need a crystal ball to find out what shows are good. I was implying they have nothing that sets them apart and people are just watching them to fill up time. just tell me why one other show on that list isnt garage.-

What's the anime 4 over on the right box, and down 1? (Girl lying in water)

God I loved this, watched it a while back.
Does anyone have any reccomendations for stuff similar?

I am Legend on Animebytes. I don't need you to link me a fucking stream to watch anything I wanna watch. Why are you even assuming that I didn't know the show or hadn't watched it? Not everybody who browses this board is a newfag like you who gets their information off Wikipedia and hasn't watched 5 anime to rub together.

is capitalism the reason your friends don't like you too?

No it isn't. Its production quality and music alone mean that it can't be a zero.

>My problem from the very beginning was Generic shows. As it turns out Moe,Harem and isekai are very easy to sell as generic shows.
You can't sell moe as anything since it doesn't exist, and even if we pretend it exists the definition is so broad that it can mean almost anything. Generic also doesn't mean anything.

>Maybe, that doesnt change the fact that I used it correctly
You didn't.

>everything has been turned into a production line and the industry won't take any risks
Which isn't true, as anyone who actually watches anime knows perfectly well.

>moe anime being cheaper and more likely to recoup costs with figurine sales.
Moe anime doesn't exist.

>You have found a way to completely avoid the point
No I did not.

>You dont need a crystal ball to find out what shows are good.
You need a crystal show to find out which shows will be talked about in the future.

>I was implying they have nothing that sets them apart and people are just watching them to fill up time.
Joshikousei no Mudazukai doesn't need to have anything to set it apart. It's funny and it has good production quality. You are just fetishizing originality, or the appearance of it.

>it kept the same classic art style as the original manga and anime, but was revisioned and modernized with more lush, high-quality, near-theatrical animation and visuals.
it kept the same classic art style as the original manga and anime, but was revisioned and modernized with more lush, high-quality, near-theatrical animation and visuals.
wikipedia.org/wiki/Astro_Boy_(2003_TV_series)

>retard shitting up thread with dishonest arguments (MAKING THIS CHARACTER, WHO IS SUPPOSED TO BE UGLY, A BISHOUJO HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MOE)
>go to sleep
>wake up
>the state of this thread
Holy shit, this guy is still arguing and he's think he's still arguing with me specifically. Bro, you are mentally ill and have severely below average intelligence.

One of my least favorite trends on Yea Forums is the guy who is angry at another guy but instead of directly addressing or naming that guy he passively aggressively talks about him vaguely in the third person.

Wicked City

>the guy who actually addresses to the poster he wants to badmouths
Imagine being THAT guy

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>Not everybody who browses this board is a newfag like you
Shove it up your ass, I don't see any newfags watching Astro 2003 these days and you must be blind to not see the quality in the show despite me posting proof of it.

This is not real no one put actual genuine passion into this
This chart is meant to captivate and enrage as many people as it can it’s so obvious

He's mad because I didn't give him (You)s for his shitposting. Protip: directly telling someone that they're an idiot isn't passive. Not getting (You)s doesn't mean something is passive, you monkey IQ.

I seriously have no idea who you are talking about.

>dumb fucking fun
because this is really missing in anime nowadays

Fuck western mature cucks

>bro, I have seen the Toonami anime from 2003 I am not a newfag I swear I am a seasoned 4channel veteran who has seen a grand total of 150 anime but since I don't track I can't come up with a specific figure so I pretend to have seen thousands of works haha
Your webms are cherrypicking garbage and the animation isn't even close to being on the level of various works released during the time. Half the combat looks bloody fucking terrible, too. Characters just move, but that's it. This webm for example is just goddamn awful . I hate this clown who constantly use the "weight" meme, but it certainly would apply in this particular case.

Your citation is a random claim made on Wikipedia, probably submitted by yourself. Tetsuwan Atoms animation quality drops off hard after the first 5 episodes and, from what I've been told, takes another massive nosedive after its first half and never recovers. If that's true, then there's likely even more television anime with better animation than I initially claimed.

Oh and one more thing. I am currently redownloading this garbage show and it took me like 3 minutes and a random episode to find some "cheap CG backgrounds" to avoid necessary background animation. So much for >it only uses cg in the openings

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>Tetsuwan Atoms animation quality drops off hard after the first 5 episodes and, from what I've been told, takes another massive nosedive after its first half and never recovers.
You say all of this and you're not posting any proof? ironic coming from the one who said I had no citation

And complex shots, forgot to add that

What proof am I supposed to post? 40 episodes worth of footage? Static imagery and panning shots cherrypicked by myself? What would that proof? That both techniques are being used? Next you'll tell us how Evangelion is the most well animated television anime of all time, because its highs are as ridiculously high as SDF's (for its time), but unlike SDF it doesn't have off model animation. It simply shows you static images for minutes on end. There's no drop, nono.
>And complex shots
Not sure If you're pretending to be retarded of if you actually are. That shitty Symphogear webm is more complex in it's presentation since it properly rotates the camera and utilizes the CG background as merely another layer of movement, rather than the only focal point of it. This Tetsuwan Atom webm has no complexity to it. It's a scrolling CG background that was implemeted to make the scene more dynamic, while the actual cel is barely adjusted to the changing circumstances. There's about as much actual movement and animation in this webm as there is in the VEG webm of Violet standing on top of the lake.

Complex shots. Fuck you ironic weeb boomer newfags. You're worse than the KusoAnus cultists.

>86 posters
>most of the posts are by you
And everyone else is the problem, right?

Nice projection. My first post was this . It's even tagged as a new IP

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>Top 15 for most well animated television shows from the early-mid 2000s
What are the top 5?

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I believe you

You can easily post webms after episode 5 to prove that the animation's bad and just because symphogear is more complex, it doesn't diminish Astro 2003's complex shots as it is still complex(ps. apparently liking a show from 16 years ago makes you a newfag as opposed to one in 2019, what a fag)

Eureka 7, RahXephon, GITSAC(2), Kamichu, Paranoia Agent, Arjuna, King Gainer (most complex combat until E7), Abenobashi, Champloo, Naruto, Planetes, Futari wa Precure, Fuujin Monogatari, FMP Second Raid, Brigadoon, Wolfs Rain. If 2007 counts as mid 00s then Dennou Coil, TTGL, Moribito are added. Maybe even Manabi Straight and Baccano. Hare+Guu also has potential to make the list, but I dropped it so I have no clue whether or not the animation quality holds up. I think Mai Hime was extremely well animated as well, but I don't remember. There's likely a bunch of shounenshit I've never touched that should make the list, too. Was FMAB well animated? No clue.
You're a newfag because you've seen virtually no anime. You can have started watching anime 50 years ago and been browsing this shitty board for the past 18 years for all it matters. You'd still likely be a bigger newfag than someone who started watching anime last fall.
>prove that the animation's bad
Double digit IQ trailer park trash. Hiro should just ban all NA IPs.

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I can't watch Bakemonogatari. Help

>You're a newfag because you've seen virtually no anime
A bunch of the shows you listed here came out after Astro 2003, if you weren't braindead you'd know that makes you more of a newfag then me. You're not proving that the animation's bad so there's no merit to whatever coming out of your ass.

Did he just seriously argue that Naruto has higher animation quality than 2003 Tetsuwan Atom? And did he just post an infamous QUALITY scene from Naruto prove his point? And then call someone a newfag? How many layers are we on?

coalgirls.wakku.to

He's also from a third world country.

hyper based

Naruto has some episodes with outstanding production values, but it's not a well-animated show overall. The clip he posted is genuinely well-animated though. Norio Matsumoto's an ace animator.

My initial post refered to early-mid 2000s, not to works made before Tetsuwan Atom exclusively.
>an infamous QUALITY scene
>How many layers are we on?
Well, how many layers are we on? I also reckon Naruto the anime you chose to address because it's the only one you've seen. Time to close the browser and watch some anime, newfag. Maybe prioritize the act of consumption over your ironic weeb threads.
Unfortunate. My country and most of its neighbors have a higher standard of living than your shithole of a country.

SM characters look way older than they are though. Same could be said about Utena, it always bothered me how Juri looks like adult woman but she is 16.

>Half the combat looks bloody fucking terrible, too. Characters just move, but that's it
Another thing, why does astro get struck multiple times if there just moving?(also, of course you're going to move in a fucking fight unless your a goddamn rock or something)

See and

Samefag defending one of the most notoriously ridiculed sequences in Naruto. I know it's you, xPearse

My initial post refered to early-mid 2000s, not to works made before Tetsuwan Atom exclusively
Doesn't change the fact that you called me a newfag for watching Astro 2003 when you watched shows in that same year and up which would label you as a absolute newfag(oh, and yet again not proving why tetsuwan atom (2003) is badly animated)

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Fucking hell, meant >My initial post refered to early-mid 2000s, not to works made before Tetsuwan Atom (all this dumbness from user is making my fingers tired)

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>bro, why does your criticism aimed at this particular webm not apply to these two lol
You really aren't very good at this. It's also very clear that the scenes aren't even comparable. The second webm you've just referred to has barely any movement by comparison, but the actual impact is depicted more accurately.
I would never make encodes for most of the garbage xpearse has chosen to blow his time on. Given how I like Kawamori, am I not closer to DualGundam?
>most notoriously ridiculed sequences in Naruto
By retarded people I reckon. People who think of smeers as something bad.
>Doesn't change the fact that you called me a newfag for watching Astro 2003 when you watched shows in that same year and up which would label you as a absolute newfag(oh, and yet again not proving why tetsuwan atom (2003) is badly animated)
You're absolutely killing it right now. HIRO WHERE IS THE NA IP BAN. PLEASE WIPE THIS SCOURGE OF INTELLECTUALLY UNDERDEVELOPED SUBHUMANS OFF THE BOARD.

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Nice QUALITY webm you got there.

Fuck off, xPearse.

I'm not even interested with this silly back and forth you have with some other goof on whether Tetsuwan Atom is well-animated, but I do take issue with you calling Norio Matsumoto's animation bad. Naruto has plenty of bad animation, but that sequence is not one of them. Yes, that sequence spawned a dumb old internet meme but a healthy dose of squash and stretch in animation does not make it bad.
The Japs at sakugawiki approve of it, and the clip's well-liked on sakugabooru too so how can it be widely ridiculed? It's not the early days of internet anime fandom buddy, people appreciate animation these days.

sakugabooru.com/post/show/46830

You must be quite the dullard to hate such interesting animation

Maybe itll become true if you just keep repeating it.

That's a terminal dose of squash and stretch. That clips is awful. Go be retarded on MAL or reddit or wherever you come from.

>25 years later newfags are complaining about the same shit

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Moeshit is one of these things that are hard to define, but if you see it you know its moeshit immidiately

Seconded. On 4channel we are proud to be newfags and borderline illiterate trailerpark trash.

Gosh, you think that's excessive squash and stretch? I can't image the sort of stiff and visually unimaginative tripe you watch each season if that level of expressiveness puts you off. Sad!

>bro, why does your criticism aimed at this particular webm not apply to these two lol
>Half the combat looks bloody fucking terrible, too. Characters just move, but that's it
>Half the combat
You(presumably you) said half the combat looks terrible. How does it not apply if those two are part of the half of tetsuwan atom(2003)? You're also contradicting yourself again, first you say there's only movement in the fights and now you say there's no movement in the second webm, exactly what I expect from a absolute retard like you. No taste, no brain, just nothing.

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>How does it not apply if those two are part of the half of tetsuwan atom(2003)
You having a stroke?
>first you say there's only movement in the fights
Read the greentexted sentence again. What does the second sentence refer to? You can do this, I am sure! 頑張れ user-kun.

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Read and compare it to the first paragraph of and see if there's any contradictions since you lack reading comprehension (you can do it!)

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Imagine being a fucking zoomer who preferes meme moeshit. Literally kys

t. 24 year old ironic weeb who has seen 100 anime tops

Nice try, but no, retard. Here's your (You)

Sorry, did I undersell you? 125 anime it is.

>ironic
>weeb
Choose one

This post is Yea Forums as fuck.

>Because of moeshit
>God why did they have to invent moe on 2006? It never existed prior to that and it totally ruined anime
That's how retarded you and anyone who believes this sounds, hence why you almost always get redirected to Yea Forums.

Retroboard when, bros?

>FMA:B

>Macross has an okay story but the animation is so dated that it's objectively bad
I only exist to ridicule these ironic boomer weebs but you are literally retarded. Even SDF's highs are absolutely retarded by television anime standards. The shows actual problem problem is how exceptional cuts are followed up by literal dogshit because of incompetent budget distribution and muh animator strike. Also: SDF has an OK story? Get a braincheck. It's Nagi no Asukara but bad. If you actually referred to DYRL (based on the picture) then you look like an even bigger mouthbreather.

Can't we all just enjoy good things?

>good things
Oh oh.

I enjoy your mom

That's what I am talking about.

good things are good?

But ironic weeb boomers don't think of anything digital as good, and ironic weeb zoomers consider everything cel outdated and ugly. So what's "good"?

People think that watching seasonal anime is 5 or so tops, being those the ones that are popular that season, you can't really argue with people who aren't willing to watch more than that or who use words like moeshit to describe an anime.

>except my definition is in no way an insult or accusation
Except your headcanon definition is wrong.

If anything, people who watch a lot of seasonal a aware of anime's lack in originality. It simply puts the same two dozen tropes on loop ad nauseam. The art is to appreciate minor modifications and acknowledge them for what they are: potential gamechangers.

>WHY DO PEOPLE LIKE SHOWS I DONT LIKE AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

lolk

We'll never know

/thread

every. fucking. time.

It is actually

Learn how to use commas, you fucking nigger

Watch more anime

>soul
>soul
>soul
>soul
>soul
>soulless

I hope you people are baiting. Do you add commas while swearing IRL?

If you nigs want a good show that appeals to both oldfags and newfags, old school and new school - Yozakura Quartet.

Yozakura Quartet is fucking stellar.

You don't say comas out loud, so no. I'm very polite so I don't swear either

I can say the same to you

Or you could watch megalo box

eyyy, that ones pretty good, too.

No baiting. You can speak however you please, but when you communicate using text, for god's sake, use punctuation marks correctly or kys

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>posts anime from the 2000's which were known for its cheapness and a fuckton of gook artist making low quality shonenshit.

How many more decades are these Otakuking charts going to be posted on Yea Forums?

Until the end of time because to ironic weeb boomers the year 2000 is like the Berlin wall. They are afraid that if they try to climb over it they'll get shot by their peers.

>Naruto
>Good animation

Here is a scene that is recycled from 2 or 3 episodes prior,in the same damn arc.
Don't defend this shit.

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>other unwatchable shows
>>Kochouki: Wakaki Nobunaga
Why is it unwatchable? It's a story about one of the greatest warlords to have ever lived. It isn't isekai, it's not a harem, the main characters are obviously men since its based on real history meaning it's not """moe""".

How the fuck is pic related not Moe?

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>CGshit
Yea Forums is truly dead

That's the point of every image ever posted in these threads unless they were made by Otaking

I saddens me to realize that zoomers think this is impressive.

Lets show them how its done.

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Machine robo had it's high points

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>that's a high point
In whose book? Looks like a low medium point to me.

>I miss when characters didn't obtrusively clash with 3d backgrounds. In terms of visual consistecy old anime was better and that is undeniable.
Amen to that.

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based

I don't want to defend naruto's animation but that scene is literally just hinata trying to be like naruto, she even copies his speechs

Serious question, do you find yourself funny? Do people around you laugh at that kind of stuff?

I hate sterile digital future tech so much

brainlet.
Her character arc is overcoming confidence issues that happened due to clan shit after watching and bieng inspired by Nardo. That scene is the literal representation of it.

I'm just trying to share some good-ass old animation. Got to love this raw 80s OVA animation and purely hand drawn backgrounds. No moeshit, no girls in bikinis, just badass fights.

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*BRAAAAAAAP*

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CGI can look good too. The only problem here is it shouldn't be the used to cheap out on hand drawn animation, it should support it to make things look better, not worse. I think they either should go full cgi and try to make that look good, or stay out of it completely instead of trying to merge the two where both look bad, the end is an even bigger mess.

MAL is a shitty website. It would barely be any help.

I get sharteeth, i'm happy.

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Blame evangelion and tezuka

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Will anime ever again have the same quality that was seen during the 80s OVA boom?

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Because of capitalism.

Shittier quality means more profits

I think it's called "cutting the corners"

Nope

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They still made things like that in the 00s. Think of vampire hunter D. They can do it, it's just that nobody orders shows like that for whatever reason.

Truly a masterpiece.

>I think they either should go full cgi and try to make that look good, or stay out of it completely instead of trying to merge the two where both look bad, the end is an even bigger mess.
That's completely wrong. Each technology has its own strength.

3D is great for reusable assets, geometric shapes, asset libraries and such
2D is great for organic backgrounds, one-off things (outfit changes, locations)

Making it easier to match styles between both pipelines will give artists more flexibility.

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I'm getting descent 2 flashbacks. selfdestruct sequence activated.

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Sad!

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Why am I always right when I cherrypick?

Vampire hunter D(2000) is a movie, webm related is not

Well Cgi developed now and its futile to argue about that which one has stronger points, its an artistic choice really. I would still vote for hand drawn any day simply because it just looks a lot more pleasing when its fluid. Cgi is still not on the level to emulate that fluidness and natural feeling hand drawn animation does, also there is a big reason why good hand drawn animation is applauded while good cgi is a "whatever" category.

Ore wa....supah Begeta

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Fuck
If only we could turn back time

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left looks better. also stills != anime

The precure EDs are pretty good for a saturday morning show.

This bait almost got me ngl

...

>also stills != anime
based retard

anime
animation
multiple pictures that form the illusion of movement

Not him, that doesn't contradict his post.

Other way around mate. Last is the only one that doesn't look like garbage.

It's not even just the animation the the placement of characters. You zoomers are fucking braindead coping with the fact that you have fuck all besides social media to remember in 10 years time. Don't feel bad, I was and early 90's kid so missed out on the 80's. Still better than zoomers but older boomers had it better. More White, better families, better anime and vidya. Good times.

>you can't assess the quality of the direction of a production because it isn't moving

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witnessed

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How ironic, HnK had painted BGs.

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nigger
everything is better now, die, except paper mario

anime =/= animation

Also "animation" is a process not "multiple pictures that form the illusion of movement".

>also stills != anime
Literally doesn't matter, faggot
youtu.be/5_TRIn4RUnc?t=143

Not based mob psycho 100/10

meguca.org/assets/images/src/d9c5679dd732b097d5891faafaf6cad628bc9e01.webm

Now with this the old one looks better because the rain is like running down his cheeks and then the light bounces and shit like rtx and theres more contrast
What the fuck is anime then? if its not animation then its multiple pictures that form the illusion of movement and also sound I guess

Woah, I love CG now.

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none of these anime are new

>4fps
>reused frames
>static characters gliding away instead of actually animating movement
SOUL

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You are fucking retarded then. That shit doesnt look like actual anime, the fucking reflections are fake and clearly painted onto the hair and the shape of the body is fucked compared to when it's actually hand drawn.

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>actual anime
OOOOOOOOOOOOOH

>What the fuck is anime then?
It really fucking depends on the context. Sometimes it's used to describe the iconic 2d style in attached image, sometimes it's used refer to Tezuka's limited animation style and sometimes it's used to refer to the medium.

>if its not animation then its multiple pictures that form the illusion of movement and also sound I guess
It's a type of audiovisual media unless you're saying stuff like voice acting story etc... are not actually part of anime.

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Shame most modern "anime" don't look like this.

if I had to guess, maybe 50

New Nekomusume is extremely hot

I don't think it's that bad. Or do you mean 50 pre-2000s anime? That's likely be pretty accurate. Maybe even a few too much.

The old anime is closer to the "new" anime than the "new" anime is to now.

what would stop people from just lying and putting stuff they didnt watch on there?

YOU REALLY THINK SOMEONE WOULD DO THAT?

Great, now you've told the double digit IQ ironic weeb boomers how to loophole the system. Thanks user.

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NANI?!!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

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According to MAL I've only seen 188 pre-2000s anime, and 1203 post-2000s anime. Am I allowed to have an opinion yet? The actual number of anime is much lower because MAL counts recap episodes and BD-only episodes as their own entry

They would just put a bunch of pre-2000 anime on their completed list without even watching a second of them.

>Am I allowed to have an opinion yet?
No, you aren't. I elaborated on the required amount in another thread .

Please keep in mind that the number keeps going up, so you better start watching some shitty OVAs or Toei movies or else you will never be a worthwhile conversation partner. I reckon the pre-2000s anime experts in these threads have seen 1500+, likely even more. Otherwise I'd have a hard time comprehending their ability to gauge the mediums strengths and their detailed commentary on why OLD = GOOD; NEW = BAD.

Why did lighting and shading became so simplistic in 2000s?

>in 2000s
It was always like that.

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Bro, where my shading at? Boomers? Hello?

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What does boomer mean again? Is it for anyone over 20? I don't post on Yea Forums or the other normalfag boards so I forget this kind of thing

based zoomber

>that almost ass curve on Usagui

2007 > 1985 > 1996 > 2018 > 1971 > 1968

this was when the budget was cut right?

Are you fucking blind? Or are you saying that computer-generated backgrounds for transformation animations is CGshit?

what's the mecha one on the right second from the bottom?

No, that's from episode 8, when the show still "looked good". The budget was supposedly cut after the first half.

based, my girlfriend was born in 2007

Early 2000s animation is so fucking bad. Just look at this, YUCK.

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>lego blocks

Damn, anime has really declined since the early 2000s.

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At least it's not 3dcg. At least it's not 3dcg.

Gainer pooling all it's budget into the combat sequences was a curse and a blessing at the same time. Show barely moved outside of them.
You make fun of them, yet Takashi Nakamura's solo episodes on Gold Lightan and his key animation on estaban episode 18 are arguably the most influential pieces of effects and debris animation in the history of Japanese animation, and those were merely blocks as well.

this is a show with a budget of 2 (two) rice bowls a day for the whole staff. they still have decent lighting

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>squares on screens

not that impressive. I've seen better debris from A-Ko or Akira. Perhaps if you like Minecraft it'd be something to aw at.

Epic post. I'd award this reddit gold if I could.

Thanks guy that's what I was going for.

Even that old jap dude is shocked

lol kys zoomers

Anime will never look like this again.

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Pretty unfair to pick a clip like this. At least make a WebM of when they were actually trying.

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I miss airwolf too.

An anime that looked like that might actually do pretty well these days. The vaporwave crowd would love that.

>Hipster retards might love it
Who gives a shit?

>OVA is of higher quality than a weekly TV series
IMAGINE MY SHOCK!

Shading is expensive.

Damn, modern tv animation looks like that!?

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Here's a clip from the TV series

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When you break down the cut you realize that what is mainly driving it is the "bayhem" affect of continually reframing the action in discontinuous perspectives to make it feel exciting due to the constant novelty of having to readjust the frame as you watch, but the motions themselves aren't impressively nuanced or dense in detail or anything like that. I notice this method a lot in contemporary TV anime, and it is kind of underwhelming once you catch the trick.

>remake a scene for the most popular anime a whole 24 years later
>make literally no improvements whatsoever

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Macross has excellent animation, and terrible, terrible subcontract character animation.

Frankly that Maou-sama retry show currently airing is ALMOST this bad

Fact: Animation post 2010 is more technically impressive than it was ever before.

Very soulful

You guys know that coloring on cel actually required paint and shit?
I'm pretty sure the prices of paint raised at some point, so some lower budget shows used more simple coloring.

Even shit like V Gundam fell prey to this, saving well painted shaded animation for opening and stock footage.

You need to be gay to not enjoy Nekomusume new design.

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They were on hyper-crunch since they were only finishing production of the episodes hours before they were set to air, sometimes less than that. Weekly anime series have really shitty quality for that reason, because a lot of studios are working like slaves on mega-crunch instead of giving them time to properly animate things. The drop in quality isn't excusable, but it can be explained.

It really shows something when the fucking manga have better high impact shots and dynamic angles than the anime

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You know old anime were shit when even modern manga have better animation.

Murata is the exception not the rule. His shot composition is beyond mortal mangaka

so did you ride the short bus or did your mom drive you

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What went wrong?

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Read more manga.

Complete annihilation.

Don't see how that accurate at all. Many studios actually peaked during the late 00s and early 10s. A1 for example peaked with IM@S and Kannagi and has never managed to reach that level again. Occultic9 was incredible, but fell short of those two. Bones still hasn't managed to match Star Driver and Xamd, and the latter is barely part of the 10s. BADHOUSE peaked with Dennou Coil and given how absolutely terrible thier shit has looked for the past 10 years will likely never stop being a clown studio. IG hasn't made anything on the level of Real Drive in a while, and their more recent works like RoboticsNotes failed to impressed. BEM is already shaping up to be complete horseshit on the visual front. I guess they made the FLCL remakes, but I wouldn't count those as television shows. The only studios that didn't peak during that time are the newer ones, e.g. PA Works, 3hz etc. simply because they didn't even really exist yet or merely served as grunt inbetweeners. Feels like Brains Base and Satelight peaked even earlier. Unless the new Symphogear seasons are more impression than Fronteir.

So I am not sure I am with you on that one. Most studios peaked like 6+ years and barely managed to reach that level again. At least as far as telvision animation is concerned.

You're talking about peaks in animation, I'm talking about on a technical standpoint.

Running Man

Mind elaborating? I don't got what you're referring to. What supposed to be more impressive about the technical process of animating today?