Not usually a huge fan of 3DCG anime, but this new Lupin III movie looks really good...

Not usually a huge fan of 3DCG anime, but this new Lupin III movie looks really good. Anyone else looking forward to this?

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It looks like pixar-tier good CG, I thought the nips were incapable of that shit

looks pretty soulful

The Pixar-tier thing is the part I kinda not like.

>Overproduced cloth textures making the whole suit look ridiculously shiny and grainy
>Wonky proportions that translate really badly onto 3D sculpting
>That pinched-up, Uncanny Valley delving face
This looks atrocious, and I can’t fathom why people try to say otherwise.

Watch Castle of Cagliostro first

Eh, if anything could work in that style Lupin is probably one of the few franchises that would fit.

That said, even though it does look better than I was expecting when I clicked the link, it still looks ugly as sin.

Looks far better than the Pokemon and DQ movie

Lupan, he's two d man, but can be 3d sometimes

That part of the post perplexed me as well. It's way too cartoony and expressive to fall into the uncanny valley. His point about wonky proportions not translating into 3D also doesn't make sense.

Watch part 1, it's peak 70s kino with protagonists that kill more people than Hitler's army.

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Real people are hoax, wake up sheeple

it looked shitty until I saw how properly hobo they made jigen look now I'm pretty hype

I know nothing about Lupin, but I get the sense from this trailer that he's Tintin who fucks. Is that close?

>there are people here who call themselves otaku who are excited for this 3D Disney/Pixar-tier Lupin III
Monkey Punch didn't die for this

>>Overproduced cloth textures making the whole suit look ridiculously shiny and grainy
> 2019
> Not going on heists while wearing leather jackets and pants.

Someone make a gif of Fujiko tit jiggle at 0.33

no

>CHANGE BAD

He's Tintin but he doesn't get uncomfortable when he sees a Japanese person.

Bad change is bad you fucking mongoloid don't try to cop out with your stupid generalization.

Can you elaborate on why this is bad in a way that isn't couched in your irrational fear of anything remotely resembling Disney/Pixar?

Not him, but it doesn't even remotely look like anime anymore. Period.
Also, CG is cold and sterile, no matter how fluid it is, and I find the contrast between realistic backgrounds/objects and cartoonish designs of the characters absolutely repulsive.

I can see your point about it looking "cold and sterile", honestly, at least this style of it. Pixar-inspired stuff was novel in the 90s and 2000s but it's become far too samey and over-saturated nowadays. I would prefer if anime - and animation in general, really - took a more stylized approach to full CG going into the future, something more like Into the Spider-Verse than anything by Pixar.

>but it doesn't even remotely look like anime anymore

I don't mean any disrespect when I say this, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with Japanese animation trying something that, in their own country, is different.

The problem is that full CG anime shouldn't exist now and in the future. I can even turn a blind eye when CG is well integrated in digital animated works for mecha or mechanical objects, but to me the more Japanese animation sticks to tradition the better. I know there's also the economic aspect being the use of 3D, but let's not delve into it for now.

What are your thoughts on Part II?

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economic aspect behind*

Spider-Verse wasn't even full CG

That episode is unironically one of the best.

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>I know there's also the economic aspect being the use of 3D, but let's not delve into it for now.
That's the entire reason for this shift though. 2D animation is more unprofitable by the year and as it stands there's no way the industry will be able to turn that around. 3D is faster, has more money behind it, more manpower behind it, and a much larger international appeal.

>I thought the nips were incapable of that shit
You what? Japan was pioneering CGi techinques with Squaresoft back in the nineties of all things.

but they've just cloned the disney style for 3D character designs rather than trying to make something that looks like anime

I realize there has been substantial crossover in both directions up to this point but it still seems lazy and disappointing

Aren't 3D animators also far better paid?

the economic aspect is one of the largest driving forces behind it and it's already well known that cg can look okay
but when doing 3d animation where you have so many more vectors to work with, if you don't control all of them it can easily go to shit, so to get similar results you need just as many staff but with different skillsets.
what the japs really need is better shading tech and expertise to make it look 'anime' enough.
also the basic understanding that 3d animation needs complex scenes to look proper, which I can't understand why they have so much trouble with this considering how many games they make with good cutscenes.

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Which has been all but shit outside of video games. Most feature length CG films out of Japan has always looked like amateur hour though that seems to be changing with DQ and this movie.

Yes, the average 2D animator salary is below living wage.

Would Monkey Punch have liked it?

RUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUPAN

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>Most feature length CG films out of Japan has always looked like amateur hour
What the hell are you talking about? Gantz O and Kingsglaive looked amazing

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>MOST
Are you incapable of reading?

Name some bad ones then cause most of the ones released in the past 5 years looked decent to me

I just can't get used to 3D. It's not 'anime' as I know it. I will only stick to manga, and watch old series, when the industry will fully convert to it.

What they really need to do first and foremost, is stop putting out television shows with dated graphics and framerates that would have been unacceptable on the Gamecube and PS2 when they fucking launched.

>Not him, but it doesn't even remotely look like anime anymore. Period.
Nothing about Lupin looks like anime, it's from a generation that made cartoons before manga and anime really veered off into it's own thing

> Kato died in April, but he saw enough of the new feature to write the following, which is posted on the film’s official website: “I’ve been looking forward to a 3d cg Lupin III for a long time. I’ve taken a look at the characters and story: it looks like this Lupin will come packed with new sensations, and I’m getting excited just thinking about how the film will turn out.”

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Take from that what you will, but it sounds like they showed him some footage and he really liked it.

Now I'm sad he died before he got to see the finished product.

fucking overlord

My point was that the Lupin I know is that one, and as long as the art style variations remain faithful to the anime medium I'm good. This movie is just alien to me.

That's a confusing position. The design in this movie are clearly incredibly faithful to the original but you would rather have the medium over the visuals?

I don't know about you, but the designs look pretty faithful to me.

Monkey Punch really seemed like a chill dude. Absolutely none of that fear of technology and hatred of young people, like a certain other guy.

Nah they didn't nail Lupin's expressions, and what's with that dumb smile? Fujiko looks bad too with the big puppy eyes.
What's so difficult to understand? I want things to remain as they have always been. CG plus the Disney design are bad.

To clarify, the dumb smile is to say that Lupin's smugness is not as effective. Looks too sweet and innocent.

>I want things to remain as they have always been
Well, I got some bad news for you, old timer. Times change. People change. Trends change. It's time for you to accept it and move on. If Monkey Punch could accept this new look at 80 years old, why can't you at 30-40 something?

>Looks too sweet and innocent.

It's because they keep giving him chubby cheeks. They do it in the anime too.

>times change, so all changes no matter if bad or good have to be welcomed with a big smile
I don't care what Monkey Punch may have thought, he was the author and I am the audience.
I can't just shrug off the disappointment, and I'm not the only one, so I'm not sure why you insist on thinking that everyone should enthusiastically embrace this new production.
It's not only that, he definitely has a dumber look.

They're not incapable, the INDUSTRY'S incapable. There's a pretty substantial difference, and it's caused by the average individual working on a given 3D anime having ten hours in miku dance as their only qualifications.

Anime means animation, this is animation. I don't get your point. "Anime style" literally doesn't exists

>It's not only that, he definitely has a dumber look.

He doesn't look any dumber than usual. Realistically rendered lips on a six feet wide mouth probably was a mistake though.

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Try to compare a Western cartoon and a Japanese cartoon and tell me if style doesn't exist.

Love the trailer music

You watch fucking ANIME. Which is peak cold and sterile

ok, what's your point? Style exists but it changes according to time and the people making it. There isn't a style choice that is inheritely anime
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to defend CGI anime. I don't even watch new stuff anymore because digital coloring and CGI backgrounds bothers me too much. But this is CGI done right if you're going for a cartoonish style

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Anime isn't homogenized, there's tons of different styles from different eras and some are more western-influenced than others. Lupin is a series from the 60s and is HEAVILY influenced by western cartoons, so I think it's a good fit for this kind of western treatment.

At this point, I'm just happy that this great franchise can still consistently get new content even after all these years

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You watch whichever Lupin anime interests you the most

He's not saying style does exist, it's that Japanese animation has a wider variety of styles than what you give it credit for.

Fuck, to give an example, take a look at Yoji Kuri's short films. I don't particularly care for them at all, but there's no denying they're very distinct and very different from what the average anime viewer is used to. But they are still Japanese.

watch the first season then watch whatever you want

>the shitty goemon movie
Real people don't actually think this, right?

How was the Fujiko movie by the way?

This film's been in production for three years. I'm certain Monkey Punch is fine.

Not him, but it was disappointing to me in comparison to the Jigen movie

>I'm certain Monkey Punch is fine.

As fine as a dead guy can be, I guess.

>Anyone who doesn't at least appreciate that is either a contrarian or an autist who can't stand change.

Yes faggot. Bad change is bad. Like flash animation. 3DCG was the final nail of Western 2D animation.

Underrated post

>mfw Fujico's boob giggle.

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I'm certain he didn't die seething over this CGI film. It's ridiculous to say "Monkey Punch didn't die for this" when the film was in production while he was still alive, likely with his knowledge, and we have even learned that he was actively looking forward to the film too.

agreed, seems a little pathetic to play that card because you don't like the artstyle

I really don't see what the problem is. It looks pretty good to me and it looks like they are keeping away from the western trend of "take cartoon characters and make them ultra realistic CGI". I think studios are finally starting to realize that you can stylize CGI and trying to go for ultra realistic looks ugly as hell.

Any word on subs for the new Fujiko movie?

this desu this

Not anime

Looks pretty good,would watch

When a 2D design is translated to 3D there is inevitably going to be something lost in translation, and if you're really attached to all the quirks and details of the classic 2D designs, you're probably going to find something that's not up your street in this new movie.
I personally think its looks great, better than I ever could have imagined CG anime could look (Fujiko and Jigen could have looked better, but that's really all I dislike), but I at least understand why there are a lot of people who are resisting this development

2D anime has been dead for a long time though

RIP MP

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Looks alright, but something about the designs or animation (or both) makes it feel a bit too Pixar-ish.

It's probably exactly what they were going for. The look is so close it wouldn't be surprising if they got a bunch of Pixar staff to consult.

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Whilst its not exactly what we would have wanted, it makes perfect sense from a business standpoint. The Japanese market is going to eat it up regardless of how it looks, and the big bucks to be made from the rest of the world are significantly more likely to see it if it "looks like something they recognise". Its really retarded, but its how the average mass market person thinks like.
Since its likely they're going for that approach, I'd also expect this movie to be on the ligher side of the franchise (that much is kind of obvious from the PV). Pixar can get away with some raunchiness smattered throughout their films here and there, but I gaurantee you if Fujiko appears in a bikini or something really mundane like that, all the usual suspects over here are going to flip their shit "because its a kids movie"

Yeah seems to have gotten a good response, it has gotten over 1 million views in less than 2 days, more views than the DQ Your Story trailer by the same studio and director. Movie might do well in Japan

I have seen part 2 and 3 are like 200 chapters. Is it worth it?

No, never watch Cagliostro. Lupin III part 1 is always the best start.

No, watch Cagliostro. But watch it in 4k to take in all that sweet scenery porn.

>never watch Cagliostro
Please stop pretending Cagliostro wasn't or still isn't one of the most culturally significant and recognisable pieces of the Lupin III franchise out there. Not just in this thread, but most people were introduced to Lupin in the west through this movie, and aspects like the Fiat 500, Clarisse, Autogyro, Clock Tower and the flashback sequence of Lupin's first break-in to the castle are still some of the most known aspects of the entire franchise, and are still being referenced in the modern incarnations. The Fiat 500 is a piece of shit car, but that 5 minute chase sequence made it legendary.
You can't even complain Miyazaki toned Lupin III down, because not only was he largely resonpsible for the part 1 you like, but no anime version of Lupin has translated the manga that faithfully. The red shirt Lupin everyone remembers with fondness barely resembles the character seen in Monkey Punch's manga

To be very honest
Only 70's anime is kino
The rest is meh tier

Where have you been in the last 15 years you pleb

Sorry you have no idea, good day

>the same studio and director.
It's only the same director, not same studio. Marza Animation Planet is doing the Lupin film.

>Japan was pioneering CGi techinques with Squaresoft
Their CG cutscenes were literally produced by a Hawaiian company.
Retard.

>Their CG cutscenes were literally produced by a Hawaiian company
All the CG you see in Hollywood is produced in India and Korea. Your point?

Neat. Their Captain Harlock movie looked pretty good visually.

Ah, make sense. The CG studio is owned by Sega/TMS which owns the Lupin IP.

This has me excited. The characters look great.
Fujiko underwhelms me a little though I can't pinpoint quite why.

Titties not big enough?

Holy fucking shit, that looks disgusting. It's like some goofy kids show, i can't take it seriously. They should've just gone live action if they can't actually animate.

>implying pixar trash is good
The fuck? It looks absolutely disgusting. If the inept bastards can't provide actual animation at least give us cel shaded cgi that looks somewhat similar to anime.

Threads like this make me remember that Yea Forums is basically Yea Forums levels of sheer contrarianism

More like fucking soulless.

Different user, but I also don't really like Fujiko's look either. I don't think her face looks that much like Fujiko. It don't think it would be as distracting if the others didn't look as good as they do. Lupin especially looks perfect. There's not a single frame of Lupin from the PV where you can't tell who he is, but its only within the context of this being a Lupin movie that you can actually tell its Fujiko

>its only within the context of this being a Lupin movie that you can actually tell its Fujiko
To be fair, you could say that about Fujiko's design in several TV specials/episodes.

3D animation is not any less difficult than 2D animation, believe it or not. It takes skill to produce animation as good as what you see in that trailer, regardless of how much you might personally dislike how it looks.
That said, I would prefer if they had utilized a different style of CG3D for this movie. Seems like they're aiming pretty hard for the Pixar/Dreamworks crowd.

Pretty much this. Especially during the 90s.

Whilst this is true, it doesn't make it any better. It just means Fujiko looks bad most of the time

>While this movie doesn't look to be at quite the same level of quality as Pixar or Dreamworks
ewwwwwwww. ewwwwwwww, you dirty bastard. Even QUALITY from Mardchen Madchen unironically looks better than Pixar/dreamworks shit.

>this marks a big step forward in 3DCG for anime
The fuck are you saying you bastard? It's done nothing. Fucking nothing. No one asked for this dogshit. All we want is decent 2d animation but they continue to force this 3d shit down our throats.

>Anyone who doesn't at least appreciate that is either a contrarian or an autist who can't stand change.
How fucking autistic are you? In terms of the technical merits of 3d cgshit, Gantz is leagues ahead of this tripe. Also change doesn't automatically mean change for the better.

You speak truth brother. 3DCG is the cancer killing all modern anime.

Lupin doesn't have hair on his hands, so this is garbage.

Jesus christ cool your autism jets user

>QUALITY from Mardchen Madchen unironically looks better than Pixar/dreamworks shit
That's a really ignorant opinion based on a clear bias.
> No one asked for this dogshit. All we want is decent 2d animation
You don't speak for anyone but yourself. I'm sure the primarily Japanese/European fanbase of Lupin III will really enjoy this, like they did the 3DCG Harlock and Mazinger Z movies.
> 3DCG is the cancer killing all modern anime
That's actually Light Novel and Video Game adaptations.

>3D animation is not any less difficult than 2D animation, believe it or not.
Fuck off with this baseless trash you pissant.

>3DCG was the final nail of Western 2D animation.
>All we want is decent 2d animation but they continue to force this 3d shit down our throats.
Based
3D will never look good as 2D, the eye is less forgivable to 3D mistakes and the animation is inherently stiff using the base models.

3D pleb

>That's a really ignorant opinion based on a clear bias.
Now isn't this a projection. I genuinely prefer the way the way the QUALITY in Marchen Madchen looks aesthetically comparted to pixar/dreamworks garbage.

>You don't speak for anyone but yourself.
Again stop projecting so much you subhuman.

You ever look at how many animators there are in the average western 3D movie? The animaton staff of one movie easily eclipses the entire animation sector of the average anime studio. The reason good looking 2D anime takes so long to make (like say Redline taking 7 years to make) is because they don't have the manpower Disney has. Stop being a complete and utter fucking retard and kill yourself. This doesn't even come down to this new movie looking good or bad, you couldn't be more wrong you petulant fucking child

>movie
>TV show
Are you retarded?

Jigen's Gravestone > Goemon's Fountain of Blood

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It's overanimated as fuck too, i'm amazed at it's awfulness. Reminds me of orange mecha shit in a bad way.

Are you retarded? This entire thread is about a movie, and nowhere in my post did I mention TV series, unless you're so braindead you think anime=TV anime. Stop huffing your jenkem you illiterate baboon and fuck off back to wherever you came from nigger

>I genuinely prefer the way the way the QUALITY in Marchen Madchen looks aesthetically comparted to pixar/dreamworks garbage.
That's understandable, as that is your preference, but that IN NO Way means only "inept bastards" are capable of producing something on the level of Pixar/Dreamworks. Make no mistake, it requires quite a lot of skill and manpower to create something even remotely on the same level as WALL-E or Up. You simply don't like the way it looks.

>you couldn't be more wrong you petulant fucking child
You seem to be really good at describing your own retardation.

>The reason good looking 2D anime takes so long to make (like say Redline taking 7 years to make) is because they don't have the manpower Disney has.
You know why then don't? Because 2d animators aren't trained. And you know why they're not trained anymore? Because people only care about money: 3dcg is cheaper, faster, more consistent and easier to produce and these things make it more economically favorable.

Fuck off with your shit standards you treacherous apologist. Doing all that overanimated 3dpd garbage, in the trailer, by hand(with the same amount of detail and fluidity) would be far more difficult. They are inept shits who can't draw. This isn't new news, they even fucking said it in shirobako. These scum can't draw that's why they become cgshit animators.

That's not what he said or meant, you vile bastard. Fuck off with your strawman.

>Because 2d animators aren't trained
What in the ever loving fuck are you even talking about? Are you saying the animation team in anime aren't trained? Regardless of how good you think the product they produce is, you would to be literally fucking retarded to think they weren't trained. I can't believe I'm even having this arguement with you. You are a king among idiots, and absolute fucking moron, and you need to kill yourself.

>3dcg is cheaper, faster, more consistent and easier to produce
Do you seriously still believe this? This is how they convinced animation to switch to 3D in the late 90s/late 2000s, but now its a well known fact creating the level of 3D that has become standard is much more difficult than traditional techniques. Compare the budget, even with inflation, of Disney's movies and you will see they spend a lot more money on their modern movies than they ever have

Your shitposting style seems awfully familiar. Are you a regular in Gridman and Promare threads, by chance?

>outs himself as being an autstic spammer from garbageman and promare threads

>What in the ever loving fuck are you even talking about? Are you saying the animation team in anime aren't trained?
You dense motherfucker. Read the post again.

>You are a king among idiots, and absolute fucking moron, and you need to kill yourself.
You're projecting and describing yourself again.

Well, that was easy

>not responding to any of my actual points
Sasuga faggot-kun. Have fun wallowing in the bathing pool of your own piss and feces until mom comes home to give you a bath you low-functioning autistic kike

There are some parts that just aren't as fun, if you get bored just watch some specials and get back to it, or if you get sick of it move on to the next season

>This is how they convinced animation to switch to 3D in the late 90s/late 2000s, but now its a well known fact creating the level of 3D that has become standard is much more difficult than traditional techniques.
You're talking out of your ass again. If this were the case we would still have plenty of technically impressive 2d animation in the west but we don't.

>Compare the budget, even with inflation, of Disney's movies and you will see they spend a lot more money on their modern movies than they ever have
You're so fucking stupid it's amazing. These new shitty 3dpd movies are more detailed, fluid and expressive than the 2d stuff ever was. Yes the productions are more expensive but what they're animating is easier than it's 2d counterpart. With 3dcg you get more for your money, that's one of the reasons why they invest more in it. Animating every sequence with the same amount of detail and fluidity as one of these new 3d films would be more difficult and costly in 2d. This is what you can't fucking comprehend.

You said nothing of worth.

Welcome to Yea Forums, and stop trying to get so much attention with the obvious samefagging. If you think anything of worth is ever discussed here you are mentally ill

Lupin, he's a nice man...

>Welcome to Yea Forums, and stop trying to get so much attention with the obvious samefagging.
Sorry i'm not the insane cgshit apologist who likes to troll and respond to people with strawmen.

>If you think anything of worth is ever discussed here you are mentally ill
Very funny. I've been in this shithole long enough to know it can be a great place for discussion. There can and has been great discussion here before.

>I've been in this shithole long enough to know it can be a great place for discussion
>I'm actually an oldfag from 2008
The classic response. No-one cares, because most of the people posting here have been here for at least a decade. You're not in an exclusive club with a few other anons; its literally everyone. Most people here have always had shit taste and shit opinions, and that's not going to be changing anytime soon.
>sounds like you kek
We all appreciate the effort, but I can tell you its not needed