Top 10 JUMP mangaka by artistic skills

No mangaka alive is on Togashi's level when it comes to kino paneling & composition. Let me demonstrate it with this example:

The first page shows Biscuit facing off against Binolt, a bounty hunter and serial killer. The audience to the fight, Gon & Killua, have no idea how powerful Biscuit is, and neither does the reader.
Togashi starts the page with Biscuit lifting Binolt up without effort; Biscuit’s body has almost no speed lines, emphasizing the ease with which she can lift a full grown man. Instead, all of the speed lines are focused in on Binolt’s body as it rises; he’s completely powerless to even move. The second panel emphasizes the same qualities: once again, Biscuit’s body barely moves, while Binolt’s spins at incredible speed. The final panel on the page boils the fight down to its pure essence: Biscuit, almost completely stationary while Binolt is sent exactly where she wants him.

>And then there’s the page turn

Forcing the reader to hold their expectation is one of the oldest tricks in comics, and Togashi knows it’s an evergreen technique. However, he also contrasts this new page with the former. There are speed lines everywhere, more impact lines, heavier crosshatching, and mild exaggeration in the features. The previous page is time boiled down to a few moments, milliseconds even. This page is time speeding up. Biscuit hits Binolt so hard he vomits a frankly improbable amount of blood before he even hits the ground. It’s the next three seconds of the fight boiled down to a single, action-packed panel. The middle-bottom panel is Gon and Killua, barely visible and stunned. And then Biscuit ends the page by clarifying that she wasn’t using her full strength.

In two pages, Togashi’s made a girl in a puffy umbrella skirt cooler than your favorite character, using advanced paneling and composition.

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Toriyama is a genius in paneling and secuences. I am not fond of his style but only a brainlet will deny his talent.

Akira Toriyama is only good at making readable fights. You can very easily follow the flow of action and understand the majority of the movement of a fight because he doesn't clutter things up with a lot of details or effects.

However technically speaking his composition is very bland. His settings are always desolate wastelands, and people use attacks that look the same. This led to fights becoming more and more similar to one another and in general Toriyama didn't know how to draw interesting-looking fights.

Being able to use things like shading and contrasts for mood and effect can make stuff stand out far better than just having everyone equally lit. Toriyama doesn't use shading, perspective or panels to greater effect, he just knows better than some other artists how to make the flow of action between panels clear. Ultimately Toriyama draws very safe art, it's bland, flat, and uninspired.

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>Oda in 4th
I can already taste the salt.

So basically Togashi. Got it.

>Oda
>Togashi
>artistic skill
Trash ranking.

>Akira Toriyama is number one

I swear to fuck japs would start eating their own turds if Toei found a way to package them as a Dragon Ball themed snack.

This is literally a skit that was done a thousand times in Looney Toons and other comic strips 30 years beforehand, and better.
This is not original, and you thinking so is only showing that you don't have a wide enough berth of media experience to accurately judge the novelty of something.

You're retarded if you think Oda is talented, his highs are incredible compared to other people in the magazine.

The king stays the king.
Togashi's best is great, but his output varies like Miura
Sports and Delinquent Shonen are true chad

Here's just one example of advanced paneling and composition that you would never find from a bland artist like Toriyama or any other Jump mangaka.

>Left: Natural disasters
>Right: Human disasters
>Morena at the center trying to find a balance.
Kino. It references her mental instability, implies something inhuman about her hatred, and the divider's ALSO really two parallel lines, reminding us of the disfiguring scar she received as a royal bastard. Really damn good composition.

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Looks like a popularity poll if anything.

>seething

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There's two major reasons polls like these will always be irrelevant. Some people will name artists for their work outside of Jump and others will rate artists for their best and never take into account their worst. The number one is obviously Masanori Morita.

Based. I was rereading through the Chimera Ant arc and noticed that Togashi used Gon's entire body to separate the panels. That's the coolest thing I've ever seen.

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hunterfags btfo

This is really cool to me, but I could see how many people would find it visually cluttered.

based hunterbros

>Toriyama is a genius in paneling and sequences
Post examples.

Why do nips love shonenshit so much?

Oda can't draw women. He's in the bottom 10 ranking for can't draw shit.

>Sports and Delinquents Shonen are true chad
It sure is, user, it sure is.

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Horikoshi did it better with Overhaul. They guy can't write, but he can draw - he'd be better off as a hired artist like Murata.

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redpill me on where to find Rokudenashi scans, been looking for awhile. my moon runes are still weak.

Inoue not being first place is absolutely retarded. It's only debetable if you want to make Toriyama first for how influential his artstyle was.

How the fuck is Togashi on this? I never thought Obata's art was particularly impressive either.

Damn, where's that user with all the pics and explanation on how good Toriyama is. I never bothered to save any as I thought it was general knowledge but some stupid anons here need a lesson in humility.

The Chads of Yea Forums win again. Seasonal waifushitters and moefags that have probably never read dragon ball and don't know about Toriyama's God Tier paneling are seething.

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This is a lazy collage from a mangaka how isn't even trying. Finish sucking the dick of togashi and comeback in 10 years.

Guess I'll check the manga even tho I've seen the anime.

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Not even close, a guy like Kurumada (Ring ni Kakero and Saint Seiya) is below the author of Saiki Kusuo. It's just polling a bunch of random kids with little actual Jump knowledge. You also know people are naming creators like Murata for One-Punch Man even though that isn't a Jump series. Just like plenty of people probably name Inoue by taking into account Vagabond which isn't even Shueisha.

There are so many little dynamic artistic flourishes in the way Togashi panels out every chapter, no other mangaka is on his level compositionally.

Pic related, Kurapika and Melody leaning on and over the panel border as if it were a rooftop wall for example.

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>comparing this cluttered mess to a masterpiece like hxh
you bhatoddlers need to know your place

Read the Sayian Arc, its pretty short and it'll show you everything that you need.
Its probably on Mangadex.

>It's okay if the art quality is shit and the action is choppy and unclear as long as it has pretentious details that make me feel like I'm reading something intelligent

Truly the Snyderfags of Yea Forums

Rick and Morty*
ftfy

Wow, this looks like garbage. Are Hunterfags this delusional? They're like ONEfags who say his webcomic is better than Murata's manga.

this

thread should have ended here

This is not a good page. The panelling is atrocious. The arm reaches from the top left to the bottom right. But when you look at the individual panels, they are clearly meant to be read form the top right to the bottom left. The focal point of the page, the arm, pulls your eye in the opposite direction of the action in the background panels. The result is a complete mess. The page is left with no sense of panel flow. The background panels, between the fingers, seem pointless due to the prominence of the hand.

I can't tell if you are being serious or not but you really embarrassed yourself trying to assert that an amateur like Hackademia mangaka is a good panelist.

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I suppose any amount of background work and detail makes a story cluttered compared to HxH.
I'd hate to see your breakdown of Vagabond or Berserk's art. Or even the later JoJo parts.

One is better than Murata. Murata need to keep honing his skills and try every little trick because his basic are lackuster.

The drawings can be inconsistent when he's sick but the paneling and compositions are good.

You can find raws anywhere, it hasn't been fully scanlated though you can still enjoy seeing how later fights go. The scanlations haven't even gotten to the final member of the Four Heavenly Kings yet.

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Katsura is pretty good, the rest are whatever.

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ITT: hunterchads schooling shonenbabies

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I feel like favoritism really was why DB won.
Don't get me wrong, DB is in no way an ugly manga, maybe a few oddities here and there but it's not the BEST drawn Manga.

Was this drawn by a 12 year old? Please tell me it was.

Plebs who have only read 5 manga like you shitpost because you are unfamiliar with advanced paneling.

Now, let me dissect, both the art and storytelling of this very panel from chapter 352 page 19, to demonstrate why Togashi is seen as one of the best artists in the industry.

>A. The general clutter of the panel and floaty-ness of the character art shows how chaotic the setpiece is, and how Hisoka's mind is narrowing down to focus solely on Chrollo's devious tactics. As if time was slowing down for this train-of-thought.
>B. The white space behind Hisoka's head is used to show how empty of other subjects besides this battle his mind is. Narrowing down to the basics of the fight.
>C. We are then brought back to Hisoka's face, which expresses a mixture of smug surprise, and devilish determination. And swirling in front of him and as well as (seemingly) to his side is a menacing smog. Which has typically been used to communicate blood-lust in this manga.

There is much more into the art of comics than having detailed realistic figures, you newfag retards know nothing about paneling and composition. Suck Osamu Tezuka's rotten, worm-dwelled, dead dick.

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Too cluttered and too much detail. Looks impressive after you take 30 seconds to take it all in, but nothing stays with you and it's a very plain page. NEXT!

>pov rotates 180 degrees around her back
im sorry but this example is terrible
the panels in question do not flow well into each other at all

Delusional
This is what God panelling looks like you fucking dipshit

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This is noticeable after frieza arc, the fights in cell and buu are mediocre.

Isn't that Zetman? Not a Jump series. Hell, including any authors who took massive hiatuses shouldn't count either. It's not an even playing field.

youtube.com/watch?v=zFFru4q_4H8
This video shows how good Toriyama is and why very few mangaka can every reach Toriyama's level. COPE hunterplebs.

>that ass
Now Hisoka won't stop staring.

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Togashi is a master of fundamentals, paneling and creating memorable page composition. The man is a genius who can set up his scenes from interesting pov angles that are able to put in contrast what each scene is exactly trying to portray. As an example, I'll direct you to this page which is one my favorites of Togashi's magnum opus. Let me break it down for you:

The head shot of Gon breaks the boundaries of the first panel, which already takes up almost the entire first half of the page, making him feel imposing and setting the tone. His pointing hand is aimed right at the eyes of the reader and it seems to hover above the page, making it feel close and uncomfortable.
The reactions to his words are framed around the hand, small and unimportant. The final panel is a shot of the enemy's feet, giving the idea that they're looking down in defeat and submission.

Other examples

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Murata's skill is dynamic movement in the composition. ONE literally has better paneling than him, but Murata makes motion look beautiful and he does have Toriyama influence

>Itt: huntertards ruins everything with their autism
I wish you would do a collective suicide and stream it on Yea Forums

nikaidorenji.blogspot.com/2014/03/blog-post.html#more

No its just that Togashi is too reliant on his assistants, and stopped caring about manga since the mid 2000s.
He'd be better off if he never wrote again after finishing YYH, at least then his legacy would be untarnished.

You know the Chimera Ant Arc and Steel Ball Run were written at about the same time - started at similar dates and ended at similar times? You wouldn't believe so given how much better the latter is compared to Chimera Ant would you?

I'll spell it out for you, toddler: BHA has garbage writing AND garbage art

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Please tell me you're not serious. I need my sanity checked again after years of browsing here.

Hisoka look hot af in this panel.

And? It's still better than whatever Togashi does

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Well said Hunterbro. I'll contribute one of my favorite underrated pages.

Take a close look at pic related. As the ball travels towards Gon, the other characters on the far left side are reacting in time with the ball traveling. The layout makes it feel like the ball is moving. A perfect example of how beautiful paneling can trump overdrawn work.

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They'll never do that, Togashi is already killing them slowly with the hiatus

The best mangakas draw hentai

Naoko Takeuchi
Rumiko Takahashi
Hideaki Sorachi
Kaoru Shintani
Kenichi Sonoda
Yozaburo Kanari
Makoto Fukami
Toshimitsu Shimizu
Hiroyuki
Kazuma Kamachi

I'm not that user, don't care about HxH, just making a paneling point

>all of reality starts shaking
>space-time itself starts quaking
There isn't a single anime or manga than can compare with the greatness that is Dragon ball, just as there isn't a single anime or manga character that can defeat Jiren, let alone touch him.

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hunterfags are literally lecturing you on art and paneling in manga for free, why are you complaining?

Forgot pic

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>WOAH SOMETHING CROSSED OVER A PANEL THAT'S NEVER BEEN DONE BEFORE HE'S BRAKING ALL THE RULES PLEASE FUCK MY WIFE

if you don't want to sit through 15 minutes of this faggot's annoying voice, go to 7:40 to get a good example of why Toriyama is the GOAT.

>In a single thread Hunterbros are able to justify Togashi's ranking, even implying it should be higher
based

Jump mangaka you fucking retard

They are just copping. The hiatus truly destroyed their brains. The merit of Togashi comes almost from Yu Yu Hakusho. Because is diferent deliver a chapter every week than every lunar eclipse. And the fact that even with all that time Togashi still didn't catch with other great artist or deliver the same quality in YYH is a shame.

The shit Toriyama does in Dragon Quest shits a lot on the competition. you see that he really hates dragon ball.

Nah, he likes Dragon Ball, but then he got forced into DBZ

Based.

Another thing that makes Togashi's craft unmatched is that his line work/weight is really effective. He isn't at all afraid of "ugliness", and lets the linework take over in place of background or straight "action lines". I would die for these varied line weights and that brushwork. Kino.

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Toriyama at #1
no surprise, his stuff is definitely the most unique compared to all manga / comic art that ever existed.

>Obata that high
But his post Death Note art looks like shit

Clearly just a popularity poll, Dragonball is definitely not the best art, this is coming from a DBZ fan. Also, One Piece shouldn't even be anywhere near the list.

Kek when will you realize that hunterfags enjoy annoying people with their memeing. You just got to meme back and have fun. Don't take Yea Forums too seriously.

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He did 3 Jump classics + a few other Jump manga that probably have some cult following. He's basically high-up by default. Plus when you're a Jump artist and not a Jump writer, you're more likely to get thought of in a list of best Jump artists.

My thoughts? My thoughts are that we should go back to a time when shounenshit was sneered at on Yea Forums. Circlejerking and console wars are the only things that Jump threads produce. The people who post in these threads are probably the same part of the userbase that migrated here during gamergate and/or the election. I fucking hate all of you.

>One is better than Murata
Yea as a writer. But Murata is a far better artist than One though.

I am pretty sure there is only one or a handfull of guys doing all the shitposting. But to be honest they are pretty effective to keep down the BNHA-tards and Murata-suckers.

He makes a bunch of unique framing and panel choices in the Hisoka vs Chrollo fight alone that people who claim to be all about the art totally miss. His expression work are so inventive too. Togashi is a true Master.

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Only doing pretty pictures. That is the only skill in wich Murata blows away ONE.

Found an error, the last panel that shows Binolt laying on the ground. His head should be towards Bisky, not the other way...

Let me spell it out for you as well. I understand that unless every single detail is printed out for you so that you don't have to think for yourself you'll never get it. I mean that is why you read HxH correct?

Togashi's art is amateurish at best. Honestly calling it amateur is a complement, he has shit understanding of anatomy - half of his characters look like they came from a CLAMP doujin from the 90s the other half are rather generic mid 90s shonen designs but then they start moving and you realize that Togashi has no idea how to properly demonstrate that.
He never draws in backgrounds, you'd think with all that time he has to waste everyone's time he could at least do that - this is the shit that people used to laugh Bleach out of the room for, but at least that had good character design to pretend to make up for that.
And finally the quality of his writing can't even make up for the rest of his failures. Its a barely surface level deconstruction that can't even do that much because it plays most of the tropes totally straight.

HxH is a decent manga, but it is no where near the level its fans pretends it reaches. Its a 7-8/10 overall. Which isn't bad for a guy that already wrote a better story in YuYu Hakusho.

W-we hate you too, user. We hate you too

Agreed, brother. That fight was a masterwork of dynamic composition. An early shot of a severed head being weighed against a bowling ball underlines Togashi’s sense of mythic whimsy, while the minimalist evocation of an angry outburst reduced to splashes of ink demonstrates his strong eye for visual drama. Mindbogglingly complex tactics dominate the page, while Hisoka’s design shifts dramatically depending on the goals of a panel. And yet, in spite of all this visual eccentricity, there are still plenty of panels demonstrating Togashi’s grasp of the fundamentals. The clear impact of Chrollo landing his first clean hit. The dynamism of Hisoka making a desperate bungee gum escape. The beauty of a page framed as one continuous cycle, a trick he pulls off both through dramatic shading and through the natural curvature of the arena.

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where the heck is miura.

Probably. I just laugh at all the Yea Forumsnons getting bent out of shape over their shitposting.

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That's because low effort dumbfuck
Just like those hiatustards keep jerking to

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>this thread

We can't stop winning, bros.

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>hunterfags are fellating themselves and togashi for free, why are you complaining?

. DB
. JoJo

To be fair, DB was amazing for its time. Amazing panel composition that even many modern manga can't really match.

And JoJo is a mess composition wise.

FUCKING BASED

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you fucking never win, even optards win more discussions than you

Togashi is a master at utilizing paneling, composition, page-flip and varying art styles for pacing, emphasis, and tone-shifts. His art style is extremely subtle and flows well into his top tier paneling and composition.

(You) throwing a random tantrum won't undo his talent and well-deserved place as one of the best mangakas in history.

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without South America, HxH threads would have no support

Why aren't these literal spam copypastas not getting deleted?
This bullshit has been going on for almost a fucking year.

If you don't like shounen then what the hell are you doing on this board?

>muratafags
Someone post the pic comparing him with ONE

Damn Hunterchads have done it again.
It feels great to be part of the fandom.

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You mean this pic, brother? And yes, Muratadrones AND BHAtoddlers need to be gassed asap.

The Guy who made that pic was an actual retard tho.
He had no idea what the fuck he was talking about.

forgot the pic

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>Now, let me dissect, both the art and storytelling of this very panel from chapter 352 page 19, to demonstrate why Togashi is seen as one of the best artists in the industry.
>8 results found

It's fucking Inoue, by the way.

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>And JoJo is a mess composition wise.
Totally. Just compare the differences in Kars' defeat between the manga and the anime. But Araki had other virtues as mangaka, like delivering cool moments or out the box (sometimes bullshiting) resolutions.

you guys know togashi won't deliver another hxh chapter anytime soon just because you fellate him right?

I was ready to read something retarded considering your choice of image, but you're completely right, at least up until "bland and uninspired". That's too subjective and I don't agree with it. Absolutely though, Toriyama "gets" it when it comes to readability with fights, but he's extremely (and self-admittedly from what I've seen) lazy about almost everything else in the manga-making process.

One other thing I'd want to mention is the difference in paneling between DB/Z and DBS. Toyotarō's pages are crammed full of wholly unnecessary reaction faces, and I don't just mean from the peanut gallery watching whoever the focus is actually on. One character will often have multiple panels that are nothing BUT their facial reaction to something, on the SAME page. It's a fucking disaster and a waste of time and page space. Someone needs to tell that nigga that less is more.

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While I disagree with this pic, ONE has better artistic vision and it's not even a question.
Murata is only able to draw pretty things, he is not able to tell a good story through drawing like ONE can.

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I enjoy the memes regardless if whether Togashi releases or not.

You all people sucking Togahack's dick but early DB and DBZ was autentic kino. Toriyama was a beast back then.

It is not just about detail, user. Toriyama's artstyle is a national treasure. Murata's art is high quality, but it doesn't have as much soul and can be quite boring to look after a while. I guess you could say Murata is too realistic, his best artwork is when he tries to be more daring with the details and that is when Murata's art truly surpasses stuff like Toriyama's.

A good example of this is Saitama vs Genos or Saitama vs Boros. Murata should avoid generic realistic artstyle and go absurd/overwhelming realistic, it is where he truly shines.

Be sure to read the Viz scans for the updated art. You'll know where to find them if you're not a newfag

Because who cares? Hiatus x Hiatus probably will never end, let them having this "victory".

Thanks, ONE proves that art quality alone is not good enough to have soul.

Because it derails what are otherwise interesting threads into shitflinging and baiting.

Yes, yes. It's on AB, madokami and nyaa.

>characters breaking out of the panel border
Fucking disgusting, burn this shit to the ground

Murata is too skilled for his own good, when every page is a different manga artist's best you stop appreciating what he is putting out.
If he deliberately shitted up his art, it would unironically be more impactful.

Sad fact is that Furudate would be ranked higher had he not altered his art style to accommodate the faster publication schedule for Haikyuu.

I see what you did there, have a (You)

>he is not able to tell a good story through drawing like ONE can.
ONE is literally only good at writing, his work is best when drawn by better artists.

Togashi doesn't have any artistic skills. Toriyama sucks as well and Oda is sub par. The only one worth being there is Takehiko Innoue.

Fucking based please fuck me

>he
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What the fuck is this asshole talking about in reference to Ripper's head flying forwards. A strike to the head it going to send it flying backwards, or angled upwards, not forwards even if the opponent is moving into it.

Not saying Togashi isn't being overrated a bit.

But he CAN draw. When he wants to.

And he can change his artstyle much better than most artists. HxH, YYH and Level E all look distinct, and they are also different from his personal lineart (you can find it in the final chapter of YYH) and his watercolors (look up his Nanika pic).

And you can cry all you want about walls of text, but there are few manga that abuse the page turn as much as HxH. Pretty much every time a character enters a room or makes an important discovery, it is a page turn.

He does deserve a Top 20 at Shueisha mangaka, at the very least.

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How about you elaborate instead of being a retard?
You can put in words why you think this is the case right?

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>but it doesn't have as much soul
Shut the fuck up. You're literally saying it's not about technical talent but about how you personally "feel". Dumb fuck.

>TPN before BnHA
say what you will about Hori's writing but his art is the best right now in Shonen Jump
japs literally know nothing

>black clover that low
come on...
>dr stone that really really low
now I can get this, not because of the skill but the appeal

fuck off, togashisuckers
he's too inconsistent to be seen as one of the best

Don't you need a basic knowledge of manga to post here?

Togashi's stylistic range is breathtaking. Palm’s positioning here and the way her cheeks are drawn remind me of da Vinci’s sketches.

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I read a lot of manga but not DB.

>Toriyama sucks
So you didn't read Dragon Ball back then when Toriyama was in his prime?
>Oda is subpar
50/50 user. While his style is ugly as hell he shines on the details, you can see how much effort he put on the backgrounds.

HxHfags are able to do it, why can't you?

>While his style is ugly as hell he shines on the details, you can see how much effort he put on the backgrounds.
backgrounds are usually drawn by assistants

Well said. I'll post the page you referenced. Reminds me of figurative painters of the early 20th century like Egon Schiele.

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What if I love Toriyama AND Togashi?

>the way her cheeks are drawn remind me of da Vinci’s sketches
The reason I think this style of shitposting is so successful is because no one has really tried it on this scale, it perfectly subverts the way people think and what's worse since there are so many people doing it there are retards that actually fall into it and believe people are actually like this.
I have to give it credit for that.

Not that he can't draw hut he is not Murata, Araki or Toriyama. Also he sucks at character design.

I know you'll post this bullshit again
One's page proves his simple art can outweighted his low effort draw and i say this positively
Murata always exagerrated One's work because he likes a flashy moves which is always seen as a boring and unsoul thing by you drones

>toriyama
>skill

buronson bfto togashi

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>Toriyama
>good art

Why do people keep saying this shit? He's more sameface than Murata. I can't even fucking play Dragon Quest or Chronos Trigger because the characters are too fucking ugly.

Based user unlike

>because he likes a flashy moves which is always seen as a boring
You are literally conceding to the points and still cannot believe why people think like that.
The only drone is you.

So rich of themes, narratives within a narratives. So many parallels, themes enveloping each other in perfect synthesis. Manga peakes as an art form when Togashi wrote CA

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Where's the fuck Naruto and Bleach? Japan at least know they're shit series

>Elaborate
Simple: ONE sucks at drawing, his style is amateurish as fuck.

>ONEfags who say his webcomic is better than Murata's manga.

One has his moments where the his scribbles become kino pages

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>Naruto and Bleach

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Naruto is 11 and Bleach 14

Toriyama just excels at everything. The guy was lazy because he was that good.
Also, he didn't have the same face problem in his earlier works.

Shit ranking. Especially since it's based on the art and nothing else.
>Toriyama in first
>Inoue being that low
>Obata being second
>Gorilla making the list at all

>draw a fighting manga about superpowers
>wtf why he like flashy moves so much

Well, I'm a huge Jojo fan so I know Araki has his positive qualities

But it definitely isn't so weird that a lot of Japanese have fond memories of oldschool Dragonball. I think it's sad that Toriyama hasn't had that touch since then while Araki continues to grow.

How does that impair his story telling?

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DB was the best shit ever. Once he hit DBZ, it became repetitive and you can really see how he's just doing it for the money rather than doing it with passion.

Damn, you are one hell of a shill.

exhibit B

The grittyness of his art actually adds to the suspense of this panel quite well and is arguably more intense than the murata version

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Who did this? Someone with special abilities?

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Togashi actually studied art in college and his dad is an art professor. Not sure why you would think he is incapable of referencing famous art movements, especially given that he does in the manga and interviews all the time.

It is not like DaVinci, Rubens, or Gauguin would be unknowns to him. They are not unknown to us.

too cluttered
is it a pretty picture or is something supposed to be happening

Are they rating Akira Toriyama based on his ability to draw mechanical stuff?

I should reread HxH for the fifth time

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>Oda 4th
Joke ranking

Because these polls are pretty much a popularity contest. Just happen that the #1 in the poll is a truly a talented person. That doesn't made less the ones behind him.

Toriyama has best paneling and choreography

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Murata needs to do his own style for the Black Sperm fight rather than doing 1:1. Besides the Phoenix Man fight, the BS fight is the worst fight by far. It's so fucking bland and underwhelming. Homeless Emperor saved last chapter.

Surprise user, every mangaka studied art in college. They are not a bunch of illiterate peasants.

I hope you are just pretending to be a retard and not falseflagging or anything like that, I actually hoped you had something to say.
I guess not.

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man, that's an awful scan, it's like old HnK

>Murata needs to do his own style for the Black Sperm fight

you realize one decides the story right.

Yes... ONE is in charge of the plot while Murata gets free range for the fights. Murata doesn't write dialogue or plot. The only input he has for anything are the fights.

>every mangaka studied art in college
Not him, but that's not true.

>Murata's art is high quality, but it doesn't have as much soul
A nebulous and non-objective quality at best, backed by a flimsy opinion
>and can be quite boring to look after a while
so, you don't take interest in high quality and easily appreciated art done by a master craftsman, and you propose to other's that your opinion is one worth warranting? There is a word for people like you: Contrarian. You are categorically a hard-line contrarian whose opinion is only worth anything at all as a litmus-test for opinions which should be disregarded as having no quality.

Yes, we know DaVinci, Rubens or Gauguin but we only know about them on a superficial level. Not saying Togashi doesn't know them more deeply or haven't studied about them, You are kind of implying that only Togashi knows about arttistic movements and literature, when it's pretty clear most mangakas known about literature and artistic movements. Also, referencing literature for the sake of reference doesn't make a work more sophisticated.

There is not a single panel in all of HxH that tops this kino.

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>Murata gets free range for the fights.

doesn't ONE give him rough sketches for the panels and whatnot? Also I'd imagine that the later sperm fight with golden sperm will be spiced up for sure, especially given the MA cadres have been buffed in the manga

Hideaki Sorachi
Kaoru Shintani
Kenichi Sonoda
Yozaburo Kanari
Makoto Fukami
Toshimitsu Shimizu
Hiroyuki
Kazuma Kamachi
Naoko Takeuchi
Rumiko Takahashi

You do understand that manga is a story telling medium right? If the drawings aren't immersive and engaging there is no point with how pretty they are.

Overall, I'm pretty satisfied with the positions in the

Nice use of negative space, before Oda´s art became a clutered mess

This.
Toriyama exceled at fights, choreography and he has a way to give movement to the fights that I can't describe. His panelling is also good.

Then what is the issue?

Togashi talks about the archaic smile on interviews, and draws the Massacre of the Innocents in his manga. Why is it unbelievable to say that some pages in HxH reference Caravaggio or are purposefully postImpressionist?

You couldn't make it past second year in a good art school without knowing at least 5 Caravaggio paintings and being able to name at least a few Impressionist paintings?

>mangaka
>artistic skills
Pfffffttttt.
You average literally-who doujinshi artist draws better than most of your shonen-toddler "''''''''''''''''''''artist"""""""""

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Nope. Most of the time he leaves panels blank and leaves only dialogue.

The only sketches he gives Murata are of characters not in the webcomic. For example, he gave Murata sketches of what Orochi looks like, base form and transformed. And how the laser beams work. Murata does the fight compositions.

Another example is the Metal Bat fight where Murata added a ton of things, with MB shaking the ground with his hits and MB hitting a manhole cover, which was later removed by ONE.

Just a loose one at best, he pretty much gives him free rein when it comes to extending fights or side characters.
Key moments are all done by ONE though.
That's the problem though, him adding stuff feels horrible because it clashes with ONE's parts, that filler is annoying.
It is ONE's fault in the end for not caring enough.

this is misleading, many doujins are crafted with the greatest of care.

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>Gets mad because I call his shitty webcomic shitty
How fucking sensitive you are?
I would find strange that japanese don't have or study art in college. I mean I am in college right now and art and literature was in my last program.

>which was later removed by ONE.

wait was it really? so long ago I dont remember

based Girls und Panzer poster

How can drawings be impressive yet not engaging?

>>Gets mad because I call his shitty webcomic shitty
>How fucking sensitive you are?
I guess we are done here, I was hoping for a little discussion, a shame.

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not shonen jump

Assistants do that that. Only the characters are drawn by the doujinka.

The girl fucking ruins the pic for me. Also, you guys would be blown out by european artists if you consider that impressive.

Holy shit. This is awful. You Herofags read this shit?

In retrospect it's amazing that Toriyama was able to draw weekly action scene with that insane composition.

Can you....not?

Because then you cannot really judge his story telling abilities, if he can only draw pretty things but not tell a cool story there is no point, it loses its flair.
There is a reason he doesn't do stuff of his own you know.

I want to say that the tank was traced, but even as a trace it has to be done at hand. So, yes is impressive.

But I don't want to hear it!

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I wouldn't call Asanagi an "average literally-who" but whatever, everything else holds true.

>no bochi (Dr. Stone)

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It's pretty sad that they can't read what was typed out. Also, I can unironically agree that Hori should just draw instead of writting.

Why are current mangaka so terrible at showing the flow motion nowadays? Murata is good at at but he makes everything over the top. Oda can do it but he fill he i intent on over filling panels a not really drawing drawn out action scenes anymore. Togashi is good at it but publishes once every 2 years and is Toriyama's contemporary almost. The only currently published popular shonen manga that have text book flow of motion are chainsawman and shingeki no kyojin, imo.

>Togashi draws a cluttered page.
>O MUH KINO DETAILS
>Togashi draws a simple page with almost no drawings.
>O MUH KINO SIMPLITISC PAGE BASED BASED BASED.

Hunterfags it's okay to admit that if Togashi shits on a blank page you idiots will find something positive to say about it.

Replicating anything without context is meaningless. What if he can name all the works of Munch? That improves his artwork?

*blocks your path*

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>draws amazing art
>can't write for shit

What is his name, Yea Forums?

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That was a thing many people can't grasp. Mangas doesn't exist in a vacuum. There are pretty capable artist that can't made a deadline even to save their necks, wich are others how can deliver consistet work for years without delays.

ONE is inspired by the best.

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*raffs*

Don't waste your time. He is memeing really hard because he knows that saying all that pseudo artistic gibberish some anons will take him seriously and he will feel like he won another internet discussion.
Tite Kubo.

>Boichi on the last fucking page
>slam dunk artist in the top ten
holy fuck japs crazy for this one

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doesn't count if he intentionally dumbs down his art for a weekly schedule

>Kaoru Shintani
>Created Area 88
>Also created a hentai series called Buttobi!! CPU
The one true mangaka with sense of art

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Holy fuck you would say Rob Liefeld was a good artist back in the 90's because of ''muh story telling meme''.

>6.gintama
I get that this is pretty much a popuarity contest but come on.

And yet dr stone has better pages than anything else he's drawn.

He takes inspiration from other mangaka so it's not that crazy.

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You literally cannot put into words why you think this way and then dare talk down to people, you are fucked in the head.

>You literally cannot put into words why you think this way and then dare talk down to people
Motherfucker if I knew who you are I would slap the shit out of you.

>violent threats
This is just funny now.
Thanks for the laughs user.

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Only further demonstrates how limited your mind is.

>scroll through list
>Tetsuo Hara is only number 12
that's the real crime here

>one piece and naruto above bleach

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Kubo only has good character design and that's it.

I know volence threats are useless on a taiwanese food forum but damn nigga I can't believe you defend ONE shitty artstyle.

Thats more than you can say about Kishi and Oda

I am not even trying to defend anything, just asking you to elaborate on your opinions and you are unable to do it, you then start threatening people.
It's simply fucking hilarious how stupid you are.

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All you need dumb bitch

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Toriyama is a complete genius. He deserves the number one spot.
>Hojo in number 8
He should be higher but I'm glad he is there. It's a shame Hara and Morita are not in the top.

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Honestly, motherfucker, I cant get into ONE shitty webcomic because of how shitty his style is. As much he imitates the likes of Togashi and other greats you like to fellate, it's fucking distracting from the story he is trying to tell.

Not really? His work is pretty and detailed but his story has more plotholes than a machine gun.

>As much he imitates the likes of Togashi and other greats you like to fellate
Where the fuck did this come from, what the hell.
>I cant get into ONE shitty webcomic
This has nothing to do with my questions.
This is just sad at this point.

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>more plotholes than a machine gun
>implying Naruto doesnt have even more

>Toriyama #1

Based.

This is just a popularity ranking for the most part. Boichi and Horikoshi are better artists than most of the people in this list

>Yea Forums is full of retards
Yes, and you're one of them

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>Where the fuck did this come from, what the hell
blind faggot >This is just sad at this point
Yes, debating to you is sad indeed. I already asnwered your question yet you pretend I haven't so I'm done.

>Delinquent bruised and bloody
PICKED UP

You are a bleachfag don't you? Don't you have to cry over Ichigo marrying Orihime instead of Rukia or something?

>One has his moments where the his scribbles become kino pages

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>togashi created meditation
>a single page = "imitating"
You haven't elaborated on anything other than saying you are unable to appreciate something, which is a personal problem and not an argument.
Also this is not a debate, the fuck are you on.

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>You are
>don't you?
ESL-kun please
>cry over Ichigo marrying Orihime instead of Rukia or something?
This amount of goalpost moving, strawmaning and coping

I really really hope he keeps getting better as he has been, he truly has the potential to become great.

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>No Miura
Aaaand skip

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The other reason why hiatus-fags justify their oxygen consumption is to keep Bleach-tards in line. They are the only ones with the same level of autism to deal with them.

Berserk is not in jump you stupid faggot.

Seething ESL-kun

>You are
>Don't you?
A lapsus, happen to the best of all. still, stay salty my friend, Bleach was never good, only pretty to look at.

Cope

Not even the same ESL. But, am i wrong? Bleach-fags keeps waiting for the "return" of the anime, even when all the evidence points the opposite.
>inb4 the pasta about the shitty mobile game and the artbook.

Its often more about who can but out the most 'amazing' panels rather than who can make their story the best read.
Those two you just mentioned are not the best looking manga in the world, but they make up for it by actually feeling like they are cinema on the page. Instead of being a slideshow, something like DB, CSM, or SnK actually feel like they are happening in real time.

Is that the first time that you saw a character under a waterfall?

>We will never get Tori's mecha manga
why is life not fair

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No, you just fell for the shitposts. Learn from this experince.

Itt
Mental gymnastic by Whisperfags

Why does no one talk about Ajin and Sakurai? I feel it's so underrated.

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>DB First place
Toriyama is Japanese George Lucas.
No one should be surprised this was here.
Personally I like his earlier more rounded art. The Broly movie did a good job merging that style with the more contemporary style.
>Death Note
Eh.
>OPM's Murata
Yes. If y'all have his art for spider verse, it's what the doctor ordered.
...
>Jojo 7th Place
I like Araki tries new styles, but the skinny protags kill me.
I want my body building jojos back.

>POV rotates on the page turn
That's the best part you fucking moron

God, SKR was so fucking good. Too bad about the ending.

i disagree
it's not really an over the shoulder transition as much as it's a dead flip to a mirror image
one of the cardinal rules of POV manipulation is to not have the audience cross the line of action which is basically what's happening there
it's disorienting and disrupts the flow of the scene
togashi is good i just think this is a bad example
also suck my dick

>Tetsuo Hara not even in the top 10
are jump readers bunch of underaged plebs with shit taste?

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Yeah, "he". The "she" thing was never confirmed, just like in teh case of Kimetsu no Yaiba.

This. Plus, MHA is better than Neverland too.

Posuka's art is only cool when it comes to illustrations. Her pages are lame.

Too static
i could say the first panel is better than second panel

>Hori that low
>Sorachi that high
Nips are dumb

>No mangaka alive is on Togashi's level when it comes to kino paneling & composition.
Tkmiz says hi.

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terrible implication of movement, that hand looks like stage 3 hypertension, the shading is total nonsense, there's bland and utterly pointless sense of depth, the design is deviant art tier, the eyes are either total shit expression or the artstyle is genuinely fubar, the crumbling and backgrounds add literally nothing and literally look like an amateur, there isn't any balance and the composition is as weak as a baby that got run over by a drunk mother who left them out on the pavement and got in the car by mistake. what manga is this from?

I have nothing saved, and it's been more than a decade, but Yuyuhakusho had much much muuuuch better art than HxH.

The Kimetsu thing has been confirmed a thousand times over. Do you need shots of their vagina to confirm it?

>say what you will about Hori's writing
There's nothing bad about his writing at least not enough to have an autistic spurt about it.

>all these retards on twitter seething
Based toriyama.

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>JoJo is a mess composition wise
Not gonna say it's the best but saying it's a mess is a bit much. Naturally, he has his moments, and uses two page spreads a bit much, but he's pretty good anyway.

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>CSM, or SnK
Nice joke

>Akira "sameface and reusing the same desings for 20 years" Toriyama in first
Just a nostalgia/popularity poll then

Only a girl would create a perfect and respectful husbando as mc

>sameface
No.

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>The Kimetsu thing has been confirmed a thousand times over.
By whom? I've never seen anything official.

People said the same thing about the author of Jujutsu Kaisen.

Hori isn't anything special most of his designs are lame asf.

No one draws women better than Horikoshi in the current Jump.

imagine being this delusional

t. Gintamafag

Nah, they just saw his work after he went blind in one eye.

If only it was monthly
Ishida could have had it all

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Gege is a tranny tho

more like t.BleachGod

>t. Axed series

Yeah you're not gonna tell me it was axed when they gave Kubo a oneshot, put his Sakura Wars announcement on Jump and gave Shougeki No Soma a 4th season which was selling way less than Bleach...TRY AGAIN

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Oh shit

Damn Hunterchads own this board

>Hori in 19th place
>tons of manga with much worst art above him
What a fucking dogshit list. Who even made it?

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Oh yeah name them

BASED

>araki, sorachi and togashi

i mean, like them a lot too but let's be fucking serious here

Togashi shouldn't be that highly rated. I love HunterxHunter and YuYu Hakusho as well, but they aren't visual masterpieces.

This whole post reads like a Reddit comment.

>CHADriyama on top
Based. Huntercucks, Herofags, Nardospics, and most of all One meme babies, remember your place.

>Masanori Morita (who was sadly forgotten)
that's why it's a shitty list

Not him but Akira Amano, Psouka, Sorachi, Kishimoto, the Kochikame guy,

>You're literally saying it's not about technical talent but about how you personally "feel".
Yes, that's literally how it works, dumbass. Good art can only go so far when it doesn't convey emotion nearly as well as an objectively worse style. It's all about the execution.

>Yusuke below bird mountain
umm... what?

>bird mountain

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People are calling out that the page is fucking bad, retard.

>However technically speaking his composition is very bland. His settings are always desolate wastelands, and people use attacks that look the same. This led to fights becoming more and more similar to one another and in general Toriyama didn't know how to draw interesting-looking fights.
You could've just said "my only experience with Toriyama is later DragonBall/Z" instead of spewing this bullshit like a retard.

>praising less than realistic art
>shitting of fucking Tezuka
Jesus, this pasta isn't even fucking consistent.

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that's when he still full of SOUL

>DBchads win yet another poll

Not surprising in the least.

Always great to see people seething about lists

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kek

Nice trips.
>drawings aren't immersive and engaging
Are you on drugs? CE vs chicken suit guy was one of the most intense fights that I can remember.
I felt that the monster(which looked like a comical relief chicken suit a few panels ago) is actually a real threat despite still retaining the general aesthetics. The robot looked cool, yet a bit childish, which is fitting.
The climactic attack looked fantastic.
And the climax of the fight was fitting for the silly mascot character.

>dragon ball number 1
Shit taste never cease to amaze me

I don't understand this poll. It's not "Manga skill" that's been assessed, it's popularity. Dragon Ball is the most popular, despite being one of the most uninspiring manga to look at. It just all looks the same

>those feet
yeah what an amazing drawer

You can't start winning either.

I bet you post wojaks on every other board your spare time as well, you goddamn waste of space.

Gintama, hunter x hunter and one piece are the weird ones here. I suppose they are here simply because they are popular.

Anyone shitting on Toriyama has recency bias; yeah, Super eats shit, but some of the Dragon Ball/Dragon Ball Z stuff is fucking great

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>european artists
I won't disagree about their skill or the quality of their work, but remember they don't work on a tight schedule like mangaka.

they did it again, absolutely based

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> the heart

>MHA
lol no

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>. I suppose they are here simply because they are popular.
that's the entire list lmao

If Kubo isn't number one I riot.

Posuka color illustrations are incredibles at least

Came on this thread just to see this

On the one hand I agree with you that Togashi's presentation skills are kino. On the other the top page is a right page and the bottom page is a left page so there is no turning involved. However your point still somewhat stands since your eyes have to move horizontally left which in turn aids Biscuit's leftward strike attack, which is what I think the original intended purpose was anyway.

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>that selection
Typical zoomer shit to be honest.

Toriyama and Togashi are absolutely, certified, BASED. Oda is cool too but less so from an art standpoint but from a creative standpoint.

>Toriyama in first
I don't hate him being on the list but he's not at all number one
>Obata and Oda on it at all
Not at all deserved, even if both are arguably upper mid-tier
>Sorachi
He's so decidedly middle of the pack for Jump that I have to assume that he's only here because of Gintama's popularity and his personality
>Togashi
This has to be a joke entry

FPBP

it's just a popularity contest, they're not ranked based on skill at all
if you think toriyama is the most skilled artist, you are literally braindead

It's just a popularity contest by casuals born in the 1990s. Don't take it as a serious metric.

>Oda and Obata rated above Hojo or Inoue

NuJump readers have no taste.

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>no Oh! Great
Japan still has shit taste, I see.

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Damn imagine surviving Netero only to die by the hands of Meruem.
Stupid bird.

Kentaro Yabuki should be higher than Togayshi.

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you faggots are why Yea Forums is worse then Yea Forums by this point

>worse than Yea Forums
Kys i'll take HXH faggots and MHA pedos over bait threads about twitter liberals and /pol/ bait.

It's a matter of time before we snap you peasant.

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>muh liberals
You kys

You're right in that Toriyama focuses on something and doesn't care for the others, but saying his only good for readable fighting is retarded. All his character designs are simple yet very memotable, and that alone is a lot. He's also great at portraying impact (even if it's somewhat over-the-top at times). The things about attacks looking the same is also moreabout his creative burnout in the latter half of "Z", then lack of artistic skills. So yeah, Tori uses a few "tools", but he uses them all effectively. Togashi can make great panels at times. But he can't maintain his quality consistently, they're standout, the rest is bland as fuck.

*doesn't focus on other aspects, but saying he's...

not for one piece you autistic fuck

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Oda only said he draws stuff that moves himself, most of the backgrounds are static. I mean, the design is obviously his, but he surely doesn't draw them every time.

>masakazu katsura
Didn't expect that.

I love HxH but I hate you faggots with passion. Hunterfags are the most autistic pieces of garbage on this site and I wish a painful death upon all of you retarded fucks.

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>Based Kurumada at #37
Should have been higher desu

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hy did this bait get so many (You)s

All would be good if piece of shit 2011 didn't exist.

I like that pic because I wish I coud tell real spectator apart the puppet and that's what Hisoka would want too

Are we all pretending to be retarded by saying Toriyama doesn't deserve to be on the list and isn't a contender for #1? I hate modern dragon ball and dragon ball babies from reddit sure, and dragon ball itself wasn't never a great story, even at its peak, but Toriyama's simple style mixed with amazing fight choreography and paneling were God tier up until the Cell saga. And while it took a step down in the Buu saga, it was still pretty good.

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Newfags constantly take huntertard’s bait copypasta. If people just ignore them they would go away.

Oda said he has 10 assistants.

>Toriyama
>a contender for #1
>pretending to be retarded
Well? Are you?