Maybe this thread would be better for /tg/. I don't know, so I'm putting it here for now.
I've watched the knk movies recently and very much enjoyed them. I've also been playing quite a bit of Vampire the Masquerade Redemption and Bloodlines recently. Of course I've watched some of the Fate anime adaptations and whatnot, but I wasn't really knowledgeable on anything else in the Nasuverse until now.
I've been looking at the lore of both series and can't help but notice that there are some similarities. They're definitely not identical by any means whatsoever, but both share things like having vampires, mages, etc. Also, both take place in the modern day with your average person not being aware of the supernatural occurrences happening. I'm trying to put down the Nasuverse at all. I'm just curious if Nasu got inspiration from WoD at all.
I used to be "World of Darkness". And then it became "Harry Potter". And now it resembles more of "Pooh Adventures" or whatever deviant-art tier autistic character mixups.
Owen Flores
I know it isn't. There's more to it than just that there's fantasy in an urban setting.
Grayson Stewart
That's too bad, I honestly would enjoy an anime universe/multiverse inspired by WoD
Jonathan Ramirez
Isn't Weiba files more if mages doing mage things?
Lucas Brown
nice, sounds interesting.
Brody Cox
His old job was creating tabletop RPGs before Takeuchi showed and said, "Dude, your stories are worth so much more than this. Don't waste your talents here. Quit your job and write something better. I'll support you."
Benjamin Murphy
This isn't new and WoD wasn't the first to do it either. There's been stuff like vampire societies hidden in modern times since at least Anne Rice and that was back in the 70s.
It's like saying FSN was inspired by Highlander, the similarities are uncanny but it doesn't necessarily mean anything and it could've just as easily been something else.
Jace Jackson
That's why I was asking. I know it could just be a coincidence.
Thomas Butler
but they met in high school?
Evan Gray
Well the simple answer is that we don't know since Nasu never cited it as an influence. I'd also suspect that Takeuchi based Saber's design on a combination of Agrias and Gradriel from Princess Crown, but again, there's no way to know for sure. It's very uncanny but stranger coincidences do happen.
Yes. Takeuchi loved Nasu's stories. After they went their separate ways, Takeuchi and Nasu met up again. Takeuchi convinced Nasu to quit his job and write his stories full time, and that's how Kara no Kyoukai was born. It originally started as a web novel, but they didn't get much traffic since they had zero advertisement. Takeuchi then convinced Nasu to write a VN in order to advertise Tsukihime, and that's how the doujin circle TYPE-MOON was born. Under Takeuchi's suggestion, Nasu wrote the story full time in their apartment. Takeuchi worked in the day and drew the art for Tsukihime at home.
Xavier Martin
It's almost certain that Nasu and Takeuchi played Mage: the Ascension in high school with Nasu being GM and from this is where Type-Moon's ideas of Magecraft and Mystery was born. But he quickly made it its own thing.
Nolan Williams
It's also worth remember that there was a lot of vampire fiction exposure in the 90s during the time that Nasu started releasing his early writing, from Buffy to Interview with the Vampire to the Copella Dracula movie, plus stuff like Castlevania had been in the Japanese zeitgeist for some time. Never mind more conventional "magic exists hidden in the modern world" which has been used in fiction for a long ass time. It could be any number of things, or more likely many different things that may have influenced him in different ways, as is usually the case with these things.
Jaxson Taylor
M:tA never made it over to Japan. WoD in general didn't have much market penetration in Japan; it was mostly Shadowrun and D&D. WoD and Nasuverse both pull from similar wells is all.
The Magic Goes Away is a thing Larry Niven did in the 70s, and the specific dickery of mages is more D&D final boss than Technocrat jackboots/Traditions revanchism.
His overall tastes when it comes to characters seems to be all over the place.
Adam Howard
bedivere was in the original game though
Jonathan Green
He was barely a character in that. When it came time to flesh the character out for F/GO, he asked Sakurai for assistance. Stheno and Euryale too.
Josiah Thomas
>Is the Nasuverse just a Japanese version of World of Darkness? It used to be, back when it was still good.
Levi Flores
That would imply WoD is a good setting, when it's not and never has been. Good system, though.
But any grab bag of occult stiff will cone out looking fairly similar, and Nasu and WoD both drew a lot of Buddhist/Theosophist stuff for the mage aspects of the setting.
Colton Clark
modern day with secret magic shit isn't exactly a very unique concept
Jordan Thomas
A vampire being literally the planet is a pretty unique concept.
Blake Jackson
Omedetou, Omedetou
You figured it out. Nasu was a money hungry, pop sci writer in late 90s. He saw the rise of modern fantasy in Harry Potter and world of darkness. First he took the latter as an element for KnK and later went full steam with Tsukihime. Same with Fate except he mixed little X-files alongside some original thought.
So yes, Nasu was originally one of the 1000 hack/amateur writers trying to profit from suddenly popular a genre of the year. Just like PUBG hit it big and now you see a dozen battle royales. It should also be noted how fast Nasu created the VNs and books, its was like he was writing dime novels
Yes, because a certain genre will surely make your works successful.
Don't disrespect Nasu like this, mate. Any moron can write an urban/modern fantasy, but not all can actually make it worth reading.
Are you also gonna shit on Jordan for writing a Fantasy story when Tolkien is the one who started it all?
Jack Diaz
Marvel has living planets. Tacking on another attribute like vampire is just standard anime things.
Christopher Anderson
It's not "literally the planet", you speedreader. Arc is the being made by Gaia to imitate Type-Moon, and has access to the conciousness of the planet, but is a being of its own.
Mason Jenkins
>Don't disrespect Nasu like this, mate. Any moron can write an urban/modern fantasy, but not all can actually make it worth reading. KnK and Tsukihime arent worth reading though, theyre both very mediocre and sometimes even bad. KnK anime is the reason why people like the serie and Fate gets a pass thanks to readers being introduced by a blockbuster anime. On its own even FSN is weak with its slow slow start and a weak ending with Fate. Archers also wasnt that great in UBW, he rarely made an impact and otherwise worked as a pure plot device. Moreover the forced romance hurts the VN more than anything else, only step up from the anime are bad ends
When a shitty route spans 10s of hours you know you have fucked up.
Adam Hill
And what do you like, then? Eva?
Ian Ortiz
UBW and HF anime for one
Connor Parker
If there is anything good about WoD its the setting (for all its real flaws)
The system is trash
Grayson Barnes
A lot of the Nasuverse is heavily influenced by Vampire Hunter D
