This is the worst beach episode ever

I think Shinji made it an improvement.

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Think that they will resort to eating giant Rei's head?

...... umi da.

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So, where do they go from here?

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It doesn't matter.

Right here:
fanfiction.net/s/1413558/1/The-2nd-try

More people come back and Asuka gets a handsome boyfriend some where in Europe or the US.

>Together, Forever
FOREVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
TOGETHERRRRRRRRRRRRRR

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I would like to think that Shinji spent thousands, if not millions of years in Instrumentality
Enough for every slice of life spinoff

I don't remember this episode maybe I need to rewatch the show.

>More people come back
Bullshit

this. They've reached the end of their stories.

t. speedreader

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>anyone CAN
Can != Will

Just because Yui says it could happen, doesn't mean it will happen. The final scene of EoE feels like it clashes harshly with that.

Man, instrumentality really isn't a bad thing. Only those with an inner voice would repopulate the planet.
Every fucking NPC out there would remain tang'd forever.

For the purpose of the story it's implied that only Asuka and Shinji return.

Do you really think Asuka and Shinji are the two people with the strongest psyches in the entire world?

>with the strongest psyches
I didn't say that.

If returning is dependant on your will/self image/soul/whatever, and Asuka and Shinji are the only two to return, then everyone else's must be weaker than theirs.

No, but there are many other potential factors that one could reason that would cause them to be the only / first returners for a good while.

>then everyone else's must be weaker than theirs
Not the only possibility.

>only two people on the planet who can successfully pilot strange alien biotechnology
>only two people so consumed by hatred that they would reject the state of eternal bliss
possibly.

You're gunna tell me that a couple high school kids have their mental issues sorted out while the other billions of people including world leaders, inventors and musicians would rather sit on their hands?

That is literally the opposite of what I just said.
There are other non-mental factors like Shinji and Asuka being Eva pilots and may have some sort of intuitive familiarity with AT-Fields.
Took Shinji an entire month to untang in episode 20 without instrumentality as a road block.

No, it isn't.

The story ends with only them confirmed out.

The story ends with a scene between the two of them. Doesn't mean they're the only ones who ever come back, or else Yui wouldn't have said otherwise.

That is your speculation. Yui only said people could come back, not that they 100% will, or will immidietely.

Anno wouldn't have had her say that in the first place if that wasn't the intention.
Plus he's literally said in the past if he were to make a sequel to EoE/Eva it would be about the remaining people in humanity trying to survive.

You are speaking to shippers who see themselves in Shinji and have Asuka as their waifu. Don't bother.

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>Asuka as their waifu
Imagine being a proud cuck like that.

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Asuka would only ever think about Kaji big member during the sex, so I don't know why LASfags are so pushy about Shinji and Asuka getting together when there is so many things wrong with it.

>being an asukachad
>self inserting as Shinji

Why would you do this. Asuka is for your OC self insert

Cuck.

LASfags didn't watch Eva

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Nice projection

Says the guy wanting to deal with a slut.

So why do people still ship Asuka and Shinji? Even Shinji x Kaji makes more sense.

No sane shipper inserts as one of the characters.
But I would want to be the priest at their wedding.

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Imagine being this much of a low IQ troglodyte

Just look at this thread and tell me other Asukafags actually don't self-insert as Shinji. While I believe not all Asukafags treat her like some some piece of meat, some others do.

Asukafags are mentally challenged. At least the dirty Misatofags know what they're signing up for.

>tfw to smart too like NTR

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Because the two were infatuated with each other if you didn't speed watch or are not mentally deficient. Asuka particularly. I don't even doing shipping faggotry but that much is obvious.

I don't really see it. Only thing I see is some people saying Shinji and Asuka are the only ones that came back after Instrumentality which is true. Obviously there is the possibility more can come back in the future.

>infatuated
This is some seriously deranged headcanon.

If you're so desperate for romance, there is other series that do a better job. Treating Asuka like some generic tsundere/love interest demeans her as a well developed character.

>literally leaves Chad at the amusement park to go back home
>gets 100 love letters and denies them all
>slut

As I said, low iq

>this kills the Asukafag

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I guess you didn't watch episode 22 or anything before. It's OK not everybody is mentally challenged

>So why do people still ship Asuka and Shinji? Even Shinji x Kaji makes more sense.
The pairing makes sense, considering the way their mental and emotional problems play off each other. It doesn't have to be likely, it doesn't have to have happened, but that doesn't mean it wouldn't make sense if it did happen.
Also, I mean, the TV series does end with Shinji's body laying on top of Asuka's body with his hands wrapped around her while they're on the beach together.

They just had dependency because they are both broken and have been emotionally neglected their whole lives. It's not a romantic relationship. It's toxic.

Self insertion and denial.

Those who’re unbiased to shipping shit know that Shinji is best with Kaworu or with nobody at all, so that he can finally learn to love himself.

Episode 22 is about Asuka breaking down for not being the best pilot and for not having somebody to dick her. She literally begs Kaji to somehow help her as she is getting mind raped.
Then Rei saves her stupid ass and instead of being thankful she only sinks deeper into depression like the useless turd she is.

I think it can be comparable more to battery acid. The lcl needs to have a charge apparently but doesnt harm the pilot

3.0 butchered the Reifags of their false hope

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Congratulations you didn't get it

>implying she left him because she wanted to
>implying it wasn't because she realized he was gonna dick Misato
>implying sluts her age want to fuck kids her age
You project too much friend.

yeah for one thing they have the beach to themselves now.... how romantic

UMI DAAAAAAAA

Honestly this, Shinji acted like a shojo heroine around Kaworu who would blush whenever the dude talked, he never acted like that with any of the girls
And that's why Kaworu had to die, Shinji can't be happy for too long or else there will be no show.

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It's not a Reifag's fault that Anno is a total hack and butchered Rei's entire character in the rebuilds.

well out side you as contact all I have to talk to is some little girl and a wierd lamb man. LET ME REPEAT MY SELF. LAMB MAN! He is fucking lamb and a man! I have nothing in common with some one like that!
Hey how much you get your wool on the market, I got jack shit cuz my dad didnt fuck a sheep!

>he was gonna dick misato

The nameless Chad she went on a date on? Nice reading comprehension brainlet

All I see are morons that don't know what happened. No shit Rei 3 is soulless, Lilith's soul is inside unit 01 alongside post-400% synch Shinji.

Congratulations you didn't get it.

>I once caught a fish thiiiiiiiiiiiiiis biiiiiig

Oh yeah, I forgot that it was some random dude and not Kaji. That only means she went back because the random dude didn't give her Kaji vibes.

The dude she went on a date with was a faggot, hence why she called him boring
Same with all the japs at the school.

Asuka only wants a big dick chad like Kaji

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killed Rei too

>Rei
>being mortal

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>Driving along the daily commute
>Current song fades away and finishes
>FOREVER
>TOGETHER
>Lateral g-force of all turns increases by 2-3x.

If you're gonna be technical, everyone's soul in Evangelion is immortal.

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ok speedwatcher-kun

Some are vehemently denying it which doesn't make sense.

Eh, the mind rape in episode 22 showed Asuka that she wanted Shinji to fuck her in episode 15, a betrayal of Kaji that made say she was unclean for him. The question is, how picky was she? Did it have to be Shinji or would she have been awkwardly kissing/suffocating Touji had he been around? Or, for that matter, Hikari?

Anyway, I like to think it took several generations for anyone else to untang, only to be greeted by a fucked-up violently matriarchal society of Shinji and Asuka's inbred descendants.

cope

She wanted somebody to help her, ideally Kaji but somebody else would do, the dialogue is painfully clear about this.
Shinji just happened to be stuck living with her and thus became her go-to frustration vent, this is in no way a good thing or signs of actual emotional interest.

Not that user you're replying to, but I can't see how any mentally-stable, non-shipper-deluded viewer can view Shinji and Asuka's relationship as anything more than Anno forewarning his audience about the dangers of objectification and escapism, especially after EoE and its infamous finale scene on the beach. If anything that finale scene was a perfect representation of why men and women come to hate and objectify each other, not how they can learn to love each other and treat each other as equals.

Even Anno considered it to be a bad ending in hindsight.

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Only those that were allowed inside instrumentality get a second chance.
Rei is different though, her soul is not human and even when fragmented can still roam freely. Very much unlike regular souls that are stuck to a body and vanish upon death.

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>just happened to be stuck living with her and thus became her go-to frustration vent
It's more than that. His cowardliness, inferiority complex, and apathy towards being belittled reminds her of her inferiority and through that reflection damages her protective wall that is her superiority complex. He's not only familiar enough to be the go-to frustration vent, he's a huge source of frustration at the same time.

>this is in no way a good thing
You've never seen broken halves make a whole before? Many of her actions have the potential to positively reinforce Shinji's sense of self worth. Though the chance of it resulting in a good thing for her are abysmal. And the chance of it resulting in bad things for the both of them is high.

I'm pretty sure her superiority complex was shattered because of those stupid Eva test results. Being the best pilot meant everything for her and she starts to break when she loses to Zeruel and to Shinji, the pilot that kills Zeruel.

Then Rei - somebody she despises - saves her from Arael, which fucked her mind even further, and she simply shatters.

>but I can't see how any mentally-stable, non-shipper-deluded viewer can view Shinji and Asuka's relationship as anything more than
You know how rivalries can turn into friendships, or how passionate hatefucks can be?
It's somewhat of an oxymoron so I can understand why it doesn't make sense to most people, especially since the actual deluded shippers are quoting the same content as the basis for their (illogical) arguments.
It's not so much that they fit so well together as-is, but rather that if only a few small things were different or happened differently, their unstable powderkeg of relations between them could easily explode into a wealth of passion and/or support (even if it might not last).

It all returns to nothing. It all comes tumbling down, tumbling down, tumbling down.

I like them together because they are cute.
You are free to disagree with me, but you aren't changing my mind.

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Listen to the lyrics of Komm Süsser Tod. Listen to them with the understanding you have, with the mindset you had when you wrote that. 'Pretend' that the "I", "me", and "you" in the lyrics are all the same person.

>You know how rivalries can turn into friendships, or how passionate hatefucks can be?
Sure, but that's probably not what Anno was trying to depict with Asuka and Shinji's relationship here.

>It's not so much that they fit so well together as-is, but rather that if only a few small things were different or happened differently, their unstable powderkeg of relations between them could easily explode into a wealth of passion and/or support (even if it might not last).

It's possible that their relationship could've turned out to better/healthy if their situation didn't turn from shaky to worse, but that never happened. It never got better for either of them, and the primary underlying reason for that hinges on both of them being victims of their parental figures' manipulation, miscommunication, outright rejection, projection and so on. All of this negativity imprinted on them to the point where they could never achieve a healthy, loving, functioning relationship with each other.
Their discussion at the coffee table is more than enough proof for this.
And even after their interacting with each other via instrumentality, even after knowing all of the other's insecurities, inner demons, desperation and so on - they still come out of the tang hating each other. It's almost like they didn't really learn anything at all.

Maybe that's why Anno considers Eoe to be a bad ending?
But whatever, people are free to ship what they want, and Asukafags always have the manga finale too look forward to (which portrays their potential future relationship in a very positive, mutually-understanding light.) I just hate it when people try to push it as canon in NGE and EoE, especially when Anno himself said otherwise.

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It is left to the audience to decide what Shinji and Asuka's final actions mean, what feelings led them to that strange exchange of gestures. Our understanding of their motives is imperfect, just as our understanding of all others will always be an imperfect and partial communion. Though we must seek our own answers, I personally find great humanity in these choices. They feel like a poignant reply to Shinji's earlier challenge, as his desperate cry of “I will connect with others, even if I can only cause them pain” is answered with a gentle, caring touch.

You could argue that Asuka's final declaration of “disgusting” means that none of it meant anything, and none of these characters actually changed. But growing as a person does not demand abandoning your original sense of self. Asuka has always been the pilot too proud to overtly admit her feelings, who only reveals what she really means through inference, anger, and subtle conversational games. For Asuka, that soft caress feels like an incredible emotional concession - and the following “disgusting” merely a reaffirmation of her fundamental selfhood, the selfhood she's come to love, and which saved her from the nothingness of instrumentality's end.

But that is only what that sequence means to me. The beauty of End of Evangelion is that it can mean many things to many people, that it answers copious narrative questions while still leaving many open doors. End of Evangelion offers its audience the same choice it offers its heroes, and ultimately, that choice is a reflection of its clear faith in our fundamental human nature. “I believe in you,” says Evangelion, as it opens the door to a frightening, exhilarating adult world. “You should believe in you, too.”

>It is left to the audience to decide what Shinji and Asuka's final actions mean
I call that BULLSHIT

>especially when Anno himself said otherwise.
You are misrepresenting what Anno said there and speculating on the reason why he said it. The Asuka thing is your interpretation as well. He considered it a happy ending presumably because he was mainly focused on the thematic outcome of the ending (shinji reaching catharsis) and only with time came reflection that maybe having all of his friends and family tanged wasn't so happy after all.

>thread has potential to become either a comfy beach episode thread or yet another autistic eva thread
>eva thread

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nooo you're supposed to frame it all through a waifuwar lens

I don't see how you think they still hate each other out of the tang. I always saw Shinji choking Asuka as a way to 1) See if it is reality because rejection shouldn't be possible in Instrumentality and 2) Out of a panic of seeing a potential thing that can cause pain and fear again, just as Asuka had done to him in the past.
During the choke Asuka caresses Shinji as a sign if acceptance and the title overlay is even "One more final: I need you" before Shinji stops choking the one thing that can bring him pain in the world. Asuka's gentle caress speaks volumes as its something so emotionally out of character for her and shows that maybe she can learn to accept and bond with other people instead of relying fully on herself.
I understood it as the two of them coming to terms that it IS possible to love themselves and even possibly others in spite of all the pain it may bring, and in fact, it is worth to endure the pain in search of happiness. It doesn't mean the both of them are now going to act like morally just, stoic figures and never be selfish or hurt others again.

I dont consuder EoE that sad since the characters had their big revelation as described above. Too bad they now live in a barren fucking wasteland. And yet they still chose it because they want to try and believe that scratching out your own place in reality is worth the torture you must go through to build it.

not him but it relates to the fact what anno told Auskas VA, how would you feel if some one was standing over you masturbating, she replies with disgusting, in reacting anno frowns and says, I thought as much.
so it just tells me that Auska prominent memory in the lcl super mind, auska remembers it like a bad dream.

Shinji choked Asuka and she says "Disgusting" because moments before that happens they were both tang together along with everyone else ever and know each other's darkest secrets and deepest desires and everyone elses too so the two are literally overcome with the strongest you can possibly feel emotions and it leaves them in shock. Thank you.

>Too bad they now live in a barren fucking wasteland.
The place is actually not so barren. A few threads ago there was a screencap from EoE posted with intact rice fields, trees and other vegetation. Maybe there's civilizational remnants here and there for them to settle in.

Clever, OP.

not to mention all the rations they could live on.

Y'all niggas needs learn about some perflourocarbon.

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for the time being they could loot non perishables and with time start a garden. They would have an observation post for whoever came out of the tang. Maybe they'd install a set of informational boards along the shore with basic information a freshly untanged person could use.

>ywn repopulate the earth with Asuka

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Asuka is for raising as a daughterfu into a responsible young lady, not breeding you faggot

The saddest part about the ending is that Shinji will probably never see his friends again, because they might either untang themselves in different parts of the world or several decades later or even after Shinji's death.

What? A picure of post impact post instrumentality Earth with intact rice fields? The few scenes they showed in EoE after untangifying never showed any of that though.

It basically ends how it begins.

EoE begins with Shinji, who
>attempted to commit suicide by drowning himself, but decides to go on instead
>then goes to Asuka in a desperate final attempt to for comfort
>does not give any actual fucks about Asuka herself, what she went through, or the comatose state that's she's in
>then takes advantage of her helpless state in order to jack off to her comatose tits
>he then realizes how fucked up this is, but despite it makes no attempt acknowledge Asuka in all of this, just wallows in self-absorbed pity instead

And then for the finale, it ends with
>Shinji swimming out of the tang after realizing that he doesn't want to suicide his concept of self
>wakes on a beach with an injured Asuka at his side
>the framing and symbolism going on with the scene gives the audience a false sense of hope, that they maybe they finally understand each other and see each other as equals
>haha nope
>Shinji then proceeds to get on top her via a very dominating, sexual position and begins choking her to death
>except the injured Asuka wakes up this time around
>she then strokes his cheek, not out of genuine empathy, care, understanding or love, but only as a final attempt to preserve her safety, since she has no other options
>Shinji stops, but only because the action reminds him of the same affection his mother showed towards him before she left
>he then proceeds to cry on top of her... no apology, no returning smile, no acknowledgement of her or how she feels in this situation >just so that he can return to his selfish self-pitying episodes
>Asuka, rather than realizing how similar both of them are, rather than realizing she's no different from Shinji in that she also used as a tool for escapism - does not attempt to comfort him, does not attempt to say I'm sorry, does not attempt to say I understand
>instead she says "how disgusting" with a tone of pure disdain

>this is supposed to be synonymous for a happy, hopeful ending

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Fetched the screencap just for you user. There's even frick'n telephone lines.

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I'm not a ""shipper"", but it's pretty obvious Asuka was into Shinji.

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Did you forget to watch the show by any chance?

go back to your safespace moeshitter

Oh so some infrastructure is still up. So I guess the sky being constantly overcast red is just for show and isn't really affecting anything? It looks like some areas were left alone mostly.

Is it even known if the beach Shinji and Asuka wake up on got fucked from the Third Impact or if it just looks crazy the way it does because of the overcast sky and Evas/Rei in the background, when in reality nothing really changed the landscape at all?

there is no worse pairing

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You're missing Episode 22 where it shows Asuka literally crying over the fact that Shinji wouldn't hold or bang her in the wall of jericho and kiss scenes.

Doesnt the Magi run .... everything? Its not like it was destroyed.

this is weird to me. No way would a girl want to be that close to a guy already when they met for at least a month.

well I mean a girl you live with at age 14

I mean when you spend every waking moment of your day together with that person you grow close to them really quick. She lives with Shinji, goes to school with Shinji, goes to NERV with Shinji, fights monsters with Shinji and eats with Shinji.

Spending all day in close proximity with the same person makes you get really accustomed to that person pretty quickly. When I was deployed it only took me about a month and chance to develop very deep relationships with my coworkers, and we spent like 12 hours a day with each other.

The telling part of that to me though is that Anno specifically mentions this hypothetical intruder to Miyamura's home could rape her and doesn't. Whether or not Miyamura takes it like that, the significance to Anno is that the guy is only willing to trespass to that point and no further. Asuka teasing about the jerking and phrasing it as a challenge again like she'd done all series communicates less disgust for the act itself than for Shinji wanting to violate her without daring to touch her at all sexually.

More people come back and they all know from Instrumentality that this was Shinji's fault for going "Everyone just die!"

Until the tsunami in the background hits.

Nah, that giant rei head is so far away the wave would disperse before it reached the coast. If you can see her whole head it means she must be thousands of miles away.

but auska would never say this shit to shinji's face, it took human instramentality for this to be known. Now imagine it all being a dream like state and then waking up with only feelings that linger. Thats what happened.

I like Asuka too much to ship her with Shinji, cause then it basically means Shinji cucked her for Kaworu

Asuka deserves to be with someone who will love and respect her

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>EVA thread due to netflix release
>ofcourse the olny thing fags could pick from show was shipfaggotry

so no one because she doesnt want you worshiping her like you do

YOU WERE WARNED! plus shipping is paramount to waifu wars.

Yeach but it always ncie to see some wall of text in eva thread that makes you stop for a while and think before replying

And then below that big post is some fag crying MUH FUCK

Imo its more about that fact, that she tried to get up with Koji, got rejected as a kid, so she jumped on Shinji for self confirmation that she's worth something. And then She fail to make up with a supposed omega male looser, further damaging Asuka ego aka 'im so shit that worst male pick wont even hold me"

no I get it, I like eva for its lore. But netflix is filled with shipping faggots.

Her standards seemed too high that shinji didnt even think Auska could love him. I mean you noticed how she got shinji to kiss her? it worked, but she did it out of boredom.

The things is that some people in show, especially Asuka, say things that doesnt actually reflect what they think or to mask how do they feel. later episodes just confirm that she doesnt ask him out of boredom, since she's angry that he doesnt want to conform her, hold ehr etc and he replies hwo the hell should he know if she's doesnt say anything or straight up delcine answering

both of you missed the fact that Asuka has a problem with "Dolls" because her mother believed a doll was her daughter and asuka a stranger.

Asuka hates Dolls.

Asuka calls Rei a doll

She wants Shinji to look at her and nor the "DOLL"

Her relationship with Shinji parallel's Asuka's relationship with her insane mother that Choked asuka as a little girl. its why we see shinji choke asuka in EOE; to reinforce the Asuka/mom = Asuka/shinji

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its why she subconsciously opened up to shinji regarding her mother earlier;

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Her mom never choked her you retard

>AxS shippers are self inserting and in denial
>I think Shinji belongs with Kaworu
Funny how your statement could be applied to you user lol.

this was all during the instramentality right? or when he got sucked into the core?

Shinji x Kaworu isn’t self inserting because shinji literally says he loves Kaworu in the show

Asuka unknowingly reacts to Shinji's divided attention; the same way she did with her mother.

Asuka's traumatic incident scarred her for life; affecting her relationships.

meant to say "hanged as asuka was a little girl
the show

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Youre talking to the batshit insane asukafag who goes hog wild over the mere mention of kawoshin because it's a (no longer LOL) threat to his ship.

Pretend he's not there and he'll hike his fat ass back to evageeks to lick his wounds.

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Manga isnt canon.

I don't actually think shippers are self inserting user, I just wanted to point out that arguments could be made for both sides or any side for that matter.

I'm curious though I know that Kaworu said that he loves Shinji but I don't remember Shinji saying that he loved Kaworu in the show. Can you tell me which scene it was in I haven't rewatched Eva in a long time

This is almost the point of Kaworu being brought in to replace Asuka as a pilot, Asuka starting the episode with a suicide attempt that nobody responds to because Intelligence Division conceal her until Kaworu can be brought in, Shinji complaining he wants to talk but is alienated from everyone he knows before Kaworu appears, and Kaworu having a real will to die and kill everyone else that he tries to impart to Shinji.

When he’s with Misato on the beach, shinji says he loved Kaworu too.
Then in ep 25 shinji imagines unit 01 grabbing him and says: “I still have to pilot this, even after killing someone I loved?”

i know the feel

Diving straight past my point and into trying to insult me huh. I'm a bit more sane than that namefag
Thanks for having better memory than me, I found the beach part but couldn't find the unit 01 grabbing him scene but I'll take your word for it user

I thought you were another guy.

>because it's a (no longer LOL) threat to his ship.

So did Anno retcon something recently or are you just making fun of the shitty Netflix translation controversy?
Not that it matters that much either way since Kaworu exists to die in every spin off and iteration out there.

LIKE A SPARK !
IN THE DARK !

The beach they are on is presumably the edge of the crater of the geofront rising into space

That hole would be miles deep -- in the volcanic Hakone area no less -- and take a long while for the ocean to fill and stop boiling.

It's not like the MPs blasted the whole thing out, but this is gonna be like a shelf 4km deep, then a rim and another 4km drop inside, full of volcanic vents. This will be a cauldron of wild shit in a million years.

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>there are billions of people
>hundreds, no, thousands of people that are even more fucked than Shinji exist
>many of them will never have the desire to leave instrumentality, preferring the intimate warmth of being fully one with thousands of other people instead
>maybe even the most fucked up people humanity has to offer will finally find the will to return to reality after many eons
>but if they don't, it's still fine
>they will be one forever, comforting each other until the stars burn out and the world is no more
The thought is oddly comforting. Instrumentality with the choice of being able to come back is actually pretty based.

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No, the worst beach episode ever was that one mlp comic

What if it is the opposite?
Normal people are allured by the comfort of instrumentality with everyone else, but fucked up people and psychopaths mesh so poorly that they are the ones that primarily reject it.

youtube.com/watch?v=yYI2DpogDaA

Still the best OP ever.

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What's the matter moenigger, are EVA threads too much of a think tank to you?

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It's pretty obvious she was into somebody acknowledging her existence.

you know, if you had to deal with women before you'd know that was asuka is saying in that .gif is a massive red flag

Toji comes back five minutes after Asuka, uncrippled, as Asuka got healed from her split arm and pierced eye, and him and Shinji finally gets the courage to apologise and they became friends once more.

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why do shipfags have to ruin literally everything. Somehow as bad as furries

But, kinda, Shinji and people around him know whats happening, especially Misato and Asuka. Shinji as a judge on humanity decides that he doesnt want to be part of it. Sure there's multiple poor guys/girls and fucked up people, but their first impression of instrumentality was being tang'd and suddenly they're somewhere comfy with all those people without bad feeling etc. They know nothing about intrumentality, who orchiestrated it nor they fought in eva so there's propably no will to go back to world full of pain
The comign out of Asuka and Shinji in the aftermath imo comes from how they hate humanity, while knowing all shit behind recent event and whats AT field really is. They wont open up to people in tang and become one, because they experienced betrayal upon betrayal when they tried to open up to people. Their psyche state is not something special among humanity, but their experience in NERV, piloting evas and main points in instrumentality makes them special. Maybe there's some more special personalites that can be able to leave tang etc, but its not shown or adressed. We simply dont know full conditions and reasoning so we can only think about potential reasons and outcomes and thats much more fun than being a goddamn waifufaggot

Not shipfags, just Asukafags.

Its called having fun.
You can just ignore it if you want, but if you get something out of trying to insult shipping you are free to keep doing that.

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cute and canon

Instrumentality is over though, Lilith is dead and the Black Moon destroyed
It's not a choice between Instrumentality and the real world, Shinji already decided that
It's Instrumentality or functional death

*real world or functional death, sorry

We're not given any insight into what the shucked souls are experiencing after Shinji checks out and everything falls apart, but this does sound like the stronger implication from them being scattered and settling as a ring of separated particles around the Earth.

Just think how mych happier an ending this would be if instead of Asuka lying there next to Shinji it was Toji. Kek.

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You mean Hikari.

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Shinji never had to apologise because Toji never held it against him. Toji wanted to be friends right away but Shinji couldn't stand the feeling of guilt and avoided Toji because of it. There was a deleted scene in EoE where the two briefly meet and Toji thanks Shinji for everything twice.

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Instrumentality is over in so far that now people have the option to reform themselves, it doesn't mean that their souls are tossed into abyss.

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No, their souls are floating around for a while and then they're tossed into the abyss

is this one of those threads
*cocks shotgun*
heh
another reifag for my collection

This art is awful
Fitting for a shitty pairing that will never happen

Cute siblings

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you missed my point entirely.

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user I wasn't even trying to address your point

I was only making an observation

>Lilith is dead
Dumb speedwatcher.

But manga Shinji never strangled Asuka, instead it went the other way around.

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>wife has a crush
>lol cuck

Going by that she always cucks you because even if you're having sex and making her cum on your dick, she's still thinking of someone who is more attractive, a better lover, and with a bigger cock.

Pretty sure this is being dead.
All that remains is ghost Rei.

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How can a being with infinite energy just will itself to die?

Nah, that's just how girls are when they're on their period

I've been thinking about EoE and the ending of Metal Gear Solid 2. Is it just me or does it seem like the Japanese are more comfortable doing mindscrews and shit in a big piece of media. I feel like the only time you see it in the US is in like low budget indie movies.

Pretty sure that's not having a physical body, something that never really bothered Lilith/Rei. Dumb speedwatcher-kun.

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>the manga

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Shouldn't Kaworu be with her?

Had Kaworu fused with Lilith back in episode 24, yes. But since it was Rei who took control over instrumentality, no.
Kaworu will remain inside Tang sea.

Adam was just a soulless embryo at the start ot Instrumentality. Rei took his DNA powers so to speak. When Kaworu died Adam's soul went to heaven, or whichever place they salvage the souls from.

You are dead if you have no physical body.
Everything in Eva has a soul like that, so its either that or nothing ever actually dies.

Are people getting retroactively tanged in the past? Are Angels part of Instrumentality, they have pretty much human souls after all?

Watch the anime again but this time without putting it on 2x speed or looking at your damn phone.

You apparently need to learn what death is.

You need to stop applying human rules to godly being such as post-instrumentality Rei.
Now go watch the damn anime.

>no argument
Stop posting or just admit you are wrong.

>admit or stop it hurr
Didn't mommy teach you to not meddle in conversations you weren't invited into?

What makes you think her caressing Shinji was just an act of self preservation?

I saw it as the first time she showed her affection without hiding behind hostility, despite being in danger. Her final line seems like she's forcing herself to say what pre-3I Asuka would say to the sight of Shinji crying on top of her.

That may be a more optimistic reading, but I don't think Anno had these two characters go through so much together and hurt each other so deeply just to have them legitimately hate each other at the end. Wasn't Yui's final message to Shinji that, despite all the pain in the world that exists because of the distance between people, you can always find happiness in others as long as you live?

do you people unironically like this anime? It was the shitiest one I've ever seen. Was falling asleep halfway through the series. The characters are whiny little emo depressed unlikable brats and the story was probably written by someone on shrooms.

So tell us user, what's your favorite animu?

I think this panning scene emphasized on Shinji basically being a young version of Kaji which frustrated Asuka even more.
Shinji was essentially her perfect mate but she couldn't have him because he refused to reach out due to his psychological issues.

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>I saw it as the first time she showed her affection without hiding behind hostility
Why wouldn't she be hostile?
Last time she interacted with Shinji in the movie she acted very hostile towards him and he strangled her. She has every reason to be hostile.
>Wasn't Yui's final message to Shinji that, despite all the pain in the world that exists because of the distance between people, you can always find happiness in others as long as you live?
The final scene doesn't refute that message, it just shows it is not that easy. That perhaps there is still work to be done before happiness can be reached, which would fit into the message of the TV ending.

eromanga-sensei, usagi-drop and koi kaze
I hate pseudo-philosophical muh deep symbolism LARPing.

How is Shinji a young version of Kaji in anyway?

Seems to be the default, none of the Angels understood this will to live thing that the finite iterations of Lilin had. Rei lived in the first place because she was forced, she had interest in understanding human motivations and particularly why Shinji does things but didn't show any for being human herself.

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stop inserting your fantasies into the story

Visually I mean

Based bait.

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Lmao this scene looks more like Kaji is cheating on Asuka with shinji

But why did I have to be a butler for 3 years? Couldn't it have been, say, one and a half?

Are you saying he looks like Kaji? Because he doesn't.

Shhh let the Asuka nigger have his delusion.

Dude ends up growing a ponytail like him

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I think Shinji would look at like Kaji once he's grown up

Room of Gauf.

>anima
>canon
pick one please

Do you have any basis for that except to try and enforce your theory?
Because the only way we can guess how Shinji will look when he is older is to look at his parent and neither of them look anything like Kaji either.

Probably is. Kaji's just hiding that he's gay as fuck, and the Asuka in Rebuild managed to catch on to it and isn't interested as a result.

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Name a more cancerous fan base than Asukafags

It was just something that struck me when I saw that scene panning from Kaji's face down to Shinji's, it just felt like they tried to make some connection idk

Reifags and Kaworufags

>gender has nothing to do with love
Where were you when Eva became gay propaganda

>t. Asukafag

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t. Asukafag

>post a random theory for discussion
>hurr asukafag nigger fantasy ooga booga

First stage ost is the best one, every song is a masterpiece

I may be mistaken, but wasn't the scene where Shinji first choked Asuka pre-3I, before all the souls were merged together? I had taken this Asuka to be the version of her in Shinji's mind, not the soul of Asuka herself.

Also, Asuka didn't respond with hostility, explicitly, even when she could do so understandably. She did the only thing I can think of in the series to comfort Shinji in any capacity.

I think the young Gendo in ep. 21 resembles Kaji, at least in the rough and unkempt sense, while keeping Shinjis softer face. Imagine this pic but with a less harsh jawline and cheeks (and they should be around the same age, late 20s early 30s).

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What do Asukafags do that is so cancerous?
Are they not allowed to enjoy a TV show? It is the people who are obsessed with their need to express hate for Asuka that are the cancer.

I don't know.
At least Kaworufags and Reifags didn't create a fansite that became the face for explanations and theorizing for the west and warping peoples' opinions on the show in order to fit delusional shippingfag agenda for years to come.

The Sea of LCL is gone, it was a metaphysical space inside the Black Moon not the literal ocean

>this thread

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You see, it's gone but not gone. Apart from Shinji, Asuka and Rei everyone else is still instrumentalized.

With the option to return, sure, but still.

>but wasn't the scene where Shinji first choked Asuka pre-3I, before all the souls were merged together
You aren't entirely mistaken but some souls that had already died had been collected by Rei, we see this with Ritsuko and Misato, so we have to assume she did the same for Asuka. And Shinji becomes liquid right before the sandbox sequence. So for all intent and purposes that sequence functions identically as an instrumentality.
>Also, Asuka didn't respond with hostility, explicitly, even when she could do so understandably
She also exclaime how disgusting it was afterwards though. Which I would call at least somewhat hostile

>Apart from Shinji, Asuka and Rei everyone else is still instrumentalized
We don't know that. We only see a single beach, we have no idea what the rest of the world is like.

Oh fine, let's say those 3 plus an unknown number of people got out. That still leaves possibly billions of people inside, we don't see any signs of human activity in the ending scene after all.
Lots of people are still tang'd so it's not really gone.

>I think the young Gendo in ep. 21 resembles Kaji
I don't think he is that similar at all. If there is any resemblance it is only because the lack of detail inherent in anime.

Kawoshinfags.

1999, he would have been 32. He's just 2 years older than Kaji there.

Stay sane Kaworu bro.

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You're right about the pre-3I thing, I forgot about the scene where Shinji saw Misato and Kaji in college.

I think the key element of the final scene is the line delivery and Asuka turning her eyes to look at Shinji. She seems to speak it without any enthusiasm, which could be read as either scorn or indifference. The line may be delivered that way because she was supposed to be choked though.

There's also the question of why Asuka decided to lay by Shinji's side. When Shinji rematerialized he was in the sea of LCL, so we should assume Asuka did the same. That means she swam to shore, found Shinji, and decided to rest by his side. Seems like a fairly kind act on her part before going into the choking scene but after their "dream" conflict.

I also don't think that things are even close to okay between the two at series end. If we go by the poster being the last shot of the final scene of the series, they definitely appear to be keeping their distance from one another but they haven't left each others side.

This is why people have a problem with you waifufags, you twist reality to fit your personal vision of your character. There is nothing kind or noble going on with both of them materializing next to each other, there is nothing kind or noble going on with Asuka accepting Shinji's need to hurt others and be hurt.

The author literally lays it out for you but of course waifufags refuse to see it. No, surely it's his waifu being awesome.

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That is your opinion, because you have a negative vision of the characters.

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>you twist reality to fit your personal vision of your character.
Which is literally what you're doing now you turbo autist. Get a clue for once.

I've never watched the anime

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How is that twisting reality? Isn't interpretation of a fictional work the goal?

And they didn't materialize together, we see how people come back and know why they do so.

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>we see how people come back and know why they do so.
We only ever actually see how Shinji comes back and his perspective is all we got.

Having a negative vision of the characters is literally how the creator intended it to be, every single main character is a sick and twisted individual. Even the side characters are nasty pricks that constantly use each other.
I'm not at fault for being able to see them for what they are.

Maybe that's a good thing because you don't have to deal with this shit.

Interpretation is fine as long as there is room for interpretation. EoE in particular had enough comments from the creator and lines of dialogue within it to not allow for interpretation regarding its fucked up characters.

So do you have any quotes from Anno and Co. regarding this scene to enlighten us with or are you just offering a possibility that Anno has said otherwise?

I think anno is a pretty cool guy

Fuck me if I have to go after all of them. This one should be enough I think.
>It's strange that 'Evangelion' has become such a hit - all the characters are so sick!
You probably heard it before given how popular it is among EVA fans.

But why would we assume someone else would come back differently? While it's true there isn't enough info to establish a firm trend or pattern, why would we assume that someone can reestablish themselves outside of LCL?

Also, Shinji reformed on top of a puddle of LCL in ep. 20, but even taking that to an extreme doesn't point to Asuka being able to reform at Shinjis side.

Shinji would apologise anyway to get it out of his system.
I know Toji never held it against him, Toji really does hold Shinji in a high regard and understands his pain deeply.
>Shinji turns his head while lying on the beach
>sees Toji lying beside him
>Toji turns and smiles upon seeing Shinji
>"Shinji..."
>Shinji smiles
>"Toji..."
>credits roll
Also a nice visual call back to the hospital scene. Perfect ending.

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I didn't mean to put any kind of burden of proof on you, I was just inquiring.

Just because characters are fucked up doesn't mean they can't have moments of genuine compassion or affection or attempt to change for the better.

Additionally, that quote came out over a year before the release of EoE from the quick search I did into it.

The date of the quote should be irrelevant though, the characters we see in EoE are the same we were left with after episode 24.
And while it's true that nothing is preventing the characters from being genuinely nice to each other from time to time I fail to see how hurting each other under the pretense of "I need you" is in any way nice. You have to remember that although Asuka did caress Shinji's cheek her facial expression was in no way showing a good emotion toward him.

No matter of how she feels about Shinji, it doesn't really make sense for her to walk away if she came back close to that area. Since from her perspective they might be to only two alive.

I'm starting to notice a rise in Tojibros lately. Good stuff.

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But why sleep next to him? Why not wait for him to wake up? She's showing a vulnerability that's only seen before (Wall of Jericho) in front of someone for whom she has severely mixed feelings, someone who let her die and used her as a thing for his sexual desire.

Why be vulnerable in front of someone you don't want to be close to? Someone who brings you seemingly nothing but pain and can't display their love for anyone? I'd argue it's because you care for them.

Asuka was complaining about how Shinji wouldn't even hold her, or kiss her. She wanted him to do it, but he was beta instead. Even in the end he just sits there crying pathetically and she only feels disgust. The series was about Shinji becoming a man, and in the end he failed

We don't know if she was sleeping. We only ever see her with open eyes in that scene. She might have just been exhausted and chose to lay down there.
If she knew he was going to strangle her she might have chooses a different spot, but how could she have know.
So there is no vulnerability shown.

My view of that scene is both of them were waiting for others to come out.
In the original script, the end scene was Asuka showing up and kicking over and destroying one of the grave posts Shinji made, declaring something along the lines of "As if I'd let myself be killed by you"
A view of the grave posts still hints a similar event took place, as one of the posts is snapped.

So they are waiting, deciding to avoid any serious discussion about themselves until they also got the others back, and they wait long enough that realization kicks in that the others aren't immidietely coming back, they drop into a temporary bout of madness - cue choking scene.

Just my take on it, obviously not canon.

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Those poles looks a bit to big to have been Shinji putting all of them up.

>coerce him into kissing when he doesn't want to and then hold his fucking nose so he can't breathe then get mad at him
what a dumb bitch

She needed a man and someone to comfort her, she was very mad at Shinji acting so pathetic. Even when she makes the first move and kisses him.

Hmm, probably. I dunno, maybe its bad perspective, or maybe Shinji found a broken wooden structure like a pier set up like that for him and just started nailing Misato's cross to one of them.

Though Asuka would still have to put a shit ton of effort into snapping one of them.

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If she wanted a man, she should have just fucked the older dude she had a date with.

She didn't like him, he was probably way less impressive than her. Shinji was better than her.

>Shinji was better than her.
Only when it comes to sync ratio. Which isn't really something one can control.
In every other way, Shinji is not an impressive person.

At the time Asuka still had the higher sync.
It was actually right after the failure with the kiss that Asuka went below Shinji

>In every other way, Shinji is not an impressive person.
Shinji defeated almost all the angels himself, including on his first time in the driver's seat, and beat Asuka's sync ratio when she had been training since she was a child.

She was feeling very inferior to him, which was made even worse by how pathetic he was. It also lowered her self worth when he didn't seem to want her

They're irregularly spaced planks stuck into the dirt at odd angles, maybe only sunk a few inches. Shinji could do that in a bored afternoon.

>Shinji defeated almost all the angels himself
He defeated the 4th and 17th by himself. The rest he had help. Either from his mother or other pilots.
Saying he was the one that defeated the 3rd angel when he did absolutely nothing is strange.

And defeating the 17th is a loose term, since he was still busy disabling Unit-02 while Kaworu idled due to realizing he'd been had, then basically made Shinji help with an assisted suicide.

I think Shinji only realizes Asuka is beside him when he hears Ghost Rei make a sound over the water, which turns his head in that direction and leads to a look of surprise (and I don't think its surprise at Rei because he's seen her far more shocking than she appears then).

I don't think the series is about Shinji becoming a man, in the sense of becoming more traditionally masculine. The one time he tries to be a man he ends up in a shitty situation (e.g. charging into the Angel in ep. 16 exclaiming "This is a man's job" before getting fucked up).

He's weak, but not because he's not masculine. He's weak because he runs away from people, the same way Gendo did with him (who's arguably the most masculine character in the series while putting on a front the entire time).

Asuka and Shinji are both cowards in that sense, and her complaining in ep. 22 is blatant hypocrisy (she could have told him her feelings instead of teasing, tricking, and scolding him). The their character arcs are them becoming able to accept the pain that is not knowing other people and find the happiness they can bring you and you them.

The only other memorable accomplishment I can think of is saving Asuka from sinking into the lava, but that's never really mentioned again.

That and him intercepting the falling angel, which is the one Gendo commends him for if I'm not mistaken.

I never realised how much I needed this closure until now. Even if it's just discarded storyboards and unused script, it works good enough for me and now I feel healed. It's been fifteen years, dang.

I mean, what else can she do? Look around her user, it's all a huge apocalyptic landscape.
The only thing besides Shinji that is remotely human around her is the giant Rei corpse laying on the horizon.

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@1:00
It doesn't look like she's awake to me. Her eyes are closed and she doesn't react to Shinji sitting up. If she did intend just lay down and wait for him, she eventually fell asleep.

Asuka did not materialize on the beach. It's implied through some visuals that some time has passed since she came back. Shinji made Misato a tombstone and raised multiple pole monuments for other people. One of which is kicked down, presumanbly Asuka's.

How can you say that her eye is closed. The eye on that side have an eye patch over it.
She also doesn't react when Shinji strangles her. So that isn't the best criteria.

>She also doesn't react when Shinji strangles her.
Not him but that's not true. She places her hand on his cheek to acknowledge his miserable existence and inane desire to hurt others.

After like 15 seconds. That kind of reaction time doesn't mean she will react to him sitting up.

>can't accept the concept of tough love
What a tremendous pussy you are.

Right. I wasn't arguing about the whole sitting up thing.

Nigga slid out of Eva-01's core in 20. He audibly slaps onto the bridge right in front of it.

it's hard to believe that 20 years after the release of evo there are people debating it so fiercely,

I watched it as it was released back in the day and although i enjoyed it and re watched it a few times i have not gone back to the well so to speak for such a long time.

the whole 1 ep drama next ep angel fight kinda annoyed me. after reading this thread i realise it is a worth a re-watch..

having said all that. I thought asuka said "I feel sick" could have been the dub I watched, yeah i know sub >dub.. but I read into that being she was pregnant morning sickness. they are litral adam and eve

That's what I'm claiming. She materialized like Shinji did and ended up falling asleep next to him.

Why would she lay awake waiting for him to wake up only to not react when he does? If she's just exhausted, she still chose to lay beside him. She could have taken the opportunity to bounce the fuck out and never see him again if she didn't want to be with him.

I stand corrected. The core is probably filled with LCL too, but I'm not sure I can reliably prove that.

phone-posting phaggot, makes reddit spacing oce again

>She could have taken the opportunity to bounce the fuck out and never see him again if she didn't want to be with him.
For all she knows they are the only one alive, were would she even go? Even someone she is kind of disgusted by might be better than being all alone in a broken world.

>The series was about Shinji becoming a man
No it wasn't you dumb cunt.

what was it about ?
the artificial distance everyone puts between each other?
big mecha combat and wifu service?

I was under the assumption one could not experience pain or rejection in Instrumentality so how were the two of them able to fight and literally choke Asuka if that is the case. I think all of it being some crazy LCL induced mindfuck in Shinji's mind makes more sense.

Kaworu cucks and the discord Reifags are objectively worse. You're literally getting angry over people discussing the themes of the show and the significance of extremely ambiguous character interactions.

>I was under the assumption one could not experience pain or rejection in Instrumentality
I don't think that is true. Because when third impact actually happens, the sequence right before the live action bit is filled with a bunch of rejections and mean statements, presumably aimed at Shinji.

seethe, cuck

How cool it would be to have a therian othersoul that excuses you from looking retarded to people who aren't special enough to understand.

>found at my dads basement

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Was Shinji tanged at that point or no?

At least the angel niggers you mentioned don't fill threads with their bull crap.

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It's about a depressed and self loathing kid learning the importance of self love and self actualisation.

So, are these two a thing now?

He gets tanged right before the sandbox scene, you see him turning into liquid.

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Yeah, he tanged when big Rei became the big Gei, when he smiles shuts his eyes and screen goes wavy.

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>It's about a depressed and self loathing kid learning the importance of self love and self actualisation.
>The series was about Shinji becoming a man

is there a difference?

All characterfags actually discuss the show.
Asukafags just insert their waifuwars and shipping bullshit into everything, spamming the same youtube links in every single thread.

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There is a difference.

gtfo with that tumblr bs

Baka Shinji fell for Giant Rei's mimicry kek.

Perhaps.

>Asukafags just insert their waifuwars and shipping bullshit into everything
Same shit as kawoshits.

>cicadas

For certain.

Nah, Asukafags are so obnoxious and ruthless in their spamming everyone else seems completely civil in comparison.

Sure thing kawoshitter.

do you not believe that a man should possess these things, and without them he is not truely a man? just an adult(read older person).

She could go anywhere she wants. I see her as far more capable than Shinji at living on her own. To think someone so strong willed would resign herself to being with someone she hated is laughable. She stayed cause she cares about him. She caressed his cheek because she cares about him.

I don't see Kaworu niggers shitting up this thread.

I'm a Reifag you literal nigger. Everyone hates you fucks, not just Kaworufags.

>I see her as far more capable than Shinji at living on her own
Then she goes insane from the loneliness.

Both have learned some valuable lessons about communication and socializing in possibly the hardest way imaginable. I like to believe that even if it never develops into romance or even friendship the two maintain some kind of contact going forward.

If nothing else even when others start to return I imagine nobody on the planet will ever understand either of them like they do eachother by that point, and so long as they can acknowledge their flaws and move forward then their arcs are completed regardless of what their relationship status is. Their troubled mutual attraction turned disgust was always more a symptom of their problems than the main issue in need of resolution anyway.

And that is why Aoba is based, more than any other character on screen.

based

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It's not a message that pertains men specifically so no, it doesn't matter if Shinji "becomes a man" or not, he needs to love himself regardless if he remains a man or becomes a tranny for all we know. The message is meant to be universal.

>nihilistic to the point of loving no one
>based
Asshole who deserved to shit his pants while getting tang'd.

It's about "growing up," not "being a man." Shinji doesn't have to kill off all his feminine personality traits and embrace machismo, he just needs to grow into being a person that can have and maintain healthy relationships.

youtu.be/3HZM37HFxl0?t=181
Picks the battery bunny of protags jesus dude.

Figuring out their feelings for and actions towards eachother would in effect be solving a microcosm of their personal issues, it's why I've always supported the AsuShin ship for the mainline series.

Like don't get me wrong, Rei deserved love and Kaworu would probably be healthier, but Asuka and Shinji working through what they did to eachother is basically a step by step process towards unlearning their toxic mindsets and behaviours. I feel them not ending up at least friends would be a depressing ending, the ideal is that they forgive eachother and themselves and grow from it - even if it is unrealistic, I think it fits the themes and positive message conveyed by the tv series ending and is a necessary progression from where they were at the final scene of EoE for it to mean anything.

stop trying to start shit you dumb asukafag

>one cannot learn from another sex's heroes journey.
get the fuck out of here with that nonsense.

>Adam is literally in there
>mimicry

hey dickead im the dude that last watched this 10+ years ago imma a nothing fag. but i DO know that rei is a fucking shell.

being there != being in control

fuck off already

>that's what a man is..

touched a nerv did i?
I guess this is what real 2d wifu bs is about. fucking fictional characters you cunts fight over it like there is something real at stake.

>posting the censored Rei tiddy version

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So what you're saying is the AsuShin ship relies entirely on speculation of what happens after the end of EoE? Which is something that will never be shown canonically in any form whatsoever?

Cool. Then you Asuka shippers should stop spamming your shit in every thread when it's something that never happened in the canon show.

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Adam is only there because Rei/Lillith has his DNA and can manipulate her form to look like him. Kaworu is dead at that point. His soul is elsewhere.

When people say man they don't mean adult they mean BIG MANLY MAN BEER STEAK SEX FOOTBALL
>appears to gendo and talks to shinji at the end of instrumentality
Sure thing

On rewatches she does seem to have more of a personality, one that develops slowly over the series but is definitely present by the series end.

I'm just clarifying that the series isn't about "manning up," it's about growing as an individual, regardless of sex as Asuka is shown undergoing the same changes.

You sound fairly bitter, user. I said nothing at all like that and yet you're angry over it.

Instrumentality is a whole other thing altogether, he appears in spirit there because it's a place where souls commune. He does not inhabit a body, he does not inhabit GNR's body.

When you guys are the sole reason why Eva threads have been shit for months, there's more than enough reason to be bitter.

citation needed
Why do contrarians insist that what the text literally presents to you is wrong

Both Kaworu and Rei are there, that's why Kaworu is shown with his own separate body from Rei instead of her transforming into him.

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Yeah, he's just saying that exploring where these characters go from the end of the series can lead to some valuable takeaways. The relationship is there.

Why don't you try treating him as an individual? He's been incredibly sincere and hasn't said anything intentionally inflammatory.

I can never decide if the aggressive Asukfags or the seething anti-Asukafags are worse, but right here you're absolutely the faggot for attacking someone being reasonable.

>probably healthier
Change that to absolutely. For all his flaws, Kaworu is the kind of love Shinji would benefit from with the least issues. Working through shit with Asuka is hard and likely to be impossible, Kaworu could nurture him and help him grow with way less baggage.

Agreed that EoE's ending is pure wank if it's not meant to be a sign the two are better off than before though. I really do feel the only way it's not just an autistic screed against the fans Anno hated is if Asuka reaching out and Shinji stopping is meant to be a sign they can still recover.

>him

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FUCKING WRONG,
you had a definition of someone dropping self loathing and beginning to love them selves as a fucking description. and I replayed so they are the same. meaning at least 1 person believes that is a major trait in considering yourself and adult, shinji is male so therefore MAN. your the cunt that bought in the big hairy chest.
can you be big and hairy and a man sure, if you have the above covered also,

bonus round for shinji to become a tranny he would still self hate to get to that point so would not fit the critira? perhaps after though, but more likely to become one of the 54%

Fanwanking about what happens at the end of a show is literally just that: fanwank.

>implying he's a woman

Kaworu with Shinji would be terrible because although it would help Shinji grow and feel more secure with himself, Kaworu wouldn't get anything from it.
It would be one-sided and not beneficial or healthy for Kaworu at all.

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seething

Why do you need citation when you can just watch the movie? Why would Adam's soul be in GNR if he's dead? Not even Rei's soul spontaneously returned to reside in Lillith after she got killed multiple times. In order for Adam's soul to be in GNR someone would have to salvage it and place it there. Rei/lillith is in charge of the Instrumentality because her soul controls both bodies.

That's just a visual gimmick. She chose to grow another form instead of morphing into Kaworu because she wanted Shinji to think there's two of them.

Cheers user.

I dunno. If he hadn't betrayed him then I'd completely agree, but I feel Kaworu's death is such a huge breaking point for Shinji that even with his genuine and seemingly unconditional care they'd have major issues afterwards with trust at least.

It'd be nice for him to have that pure kind of relationship though. I just want all the Children to have a chance to be happy.

www.fanfiction.net

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Reminder that Shinji is literally shown with boobs in EoE.

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Every square is a rectangle but not every rectangle is a square user.

lmao she doesn't want shinji to think anything she's operating on pure instinct

Because Kaworu's soul went back into Gendo's hand after he died.
Plus we've got so much art of Kaworu alongside Rei in this EoE art, so it was obviously the intention that he was there in soul and body as Adam.
>That's just a visual gimmick.
Nah, it's just proof you're wrong.

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also highly sexist.

>Kaworu is the kind of love Shinji would benefit from with the least issues
Nah, if Kaworu offered Shinji love regardless of his flaws Shinji would never have any incentive to improve his flaws.

so you are saying
every man is male but not every man is mature?

>Because Kaworu's soul went back into Gendo's hand after he died.
Got any citations for that or did you just fanwank that yourself?

I don't mean to be rude but denying that Adam was present during instrumentality is kind off dumb.
We literally see him talk to Shinji alongside Lilith, they even make it clear that Lilith is "Hope" and Adam is "Love".

Come on guys these threads used to be smarter than this.

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If that's what you want to call it than so be it, but not thinking about where characters go following the end of a series will lead you to miss out on a lot of insight. Belittle it how you may, you're the only one losing.

Quick grammar lesson; the English language has something called the 'generic he,' where the masculine pronoun can be used to an individual of unknown gender.

>most autistic fanbase has the most amount of fanfiction
Color me surprised.

it's the fucking asuka niggers

>Ikari lingers.
>His left hand. Red particles of light flitter about.
>Like a jimensou, Kaworu's upper body emerges from around the base of his thumb.
wiki.evageeks.org/Resources:End_of_Evangelion_Screenplays

Oh so he was stealing miss Kaya's "property"!
PROPERTY IN THIS INSTANCE REFERS TO THE GOAT BUTLER'S BALLSACK

I disagree, you can self-reflect and learn from positive reinforcement. Conflict isn't 100% necessary - just being emotionally intimate with someone and feeling valued would do a ton for Shinji's self esteem and force him out of his shell a tad. He'd need to take initiative eventually but I really do think he'd get to that point and manage it with Kaworu.

I do agree with on Kaworu'd end though. Even if he's a nurturer who needs to feel needed by his partner in order to be satisfied with himself like those guys who marry dying women, he's not getting much from Shinji until probably years in when he reaches a healthier place. It's a one-sided arrangement in terms of who supports who.

>Quick grammar lesson; the English language has something called the 'generic he,' where the masculine pronoun can be used to an individual of unknown gender.
Yeah but it's barely ever fucking used and the trend nowadays is against it as they/them grows increasingly popular as a singular pronoun.

fuck they them

What

>Quick grammar lesson; the English language has something called the 'generic he,' where the masculine pronoun can be used to an individual of unknown gender.
Many european languages have that clause, a living proof of patriarchy.

Threadly reminder that AxS is cute and canon no matter how much the contrarians seethe

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Why does Shinji hate women?

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>a charactercher of a man being nothing but those things is not sexiest annon i...

Ha ha ha ha deal with it faggot.

>reee my anti-asuka posting isn't getting enough replies so i'll falseflag to try start shit
Next time at least use a proxy to fake a new ip

What are you even talking about

Hate it all you want but it's been on the rise for centuries and modern PC language challenging male as the default (e.g. firemen->firefighters) will continue to push it as a neutral term to use for others.

Big smelly Asukafag.

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Kaworu didn't love Shinji regardless of his flaws, he loved him because of his flaws.
Also throughout episode 24 he was telling Shinji to improve upon himself.

Asukafags really are the cancer of the fanbase.

>When people say man they don't mean adult they mean BIG MANLY MAN BEER STEAK SEX FOOTBALL

>is not a charactercher of a ma

Wasn't the line more meant to imply that she'd be a good mother, which she took offence to because she's infertile?

In the end the final decision we all must take
Asuka/Rei
Will decide what will be and our destiny

She didn't take offense. She was flattered and blushed

>he loved him because of his flaws
So is Kaworu a masochist who loves his deadbeat husband who's dealing him beatings every friday and every other monday? Shinji should wear a wife beater.

>Rei is even in the final scene.

Literally seen by Shinji before Asuka.

I feel bad for them. The only thing they wanted is friends.

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Literally not even human anymore.
Yet still a clone of his mother.

Rei was never human to begin with.
You were proven wrong so stop flailing around.

They're like Lenny petting the rabbits too hard.

If she was a clone she wouldn't have blue hair and red eyes
She was "salvaged from Yui's remains"

um, that wasn't me,
but he is right, also the rei you mention teleport as though it was a figment of his imagination

Damn, dem hips.

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Not that user, I just woke up.

I see Kaworu as a bad match-up for Shinji because of what he represents thematically. In a show about learning to love yourself and accept reality, in spite of all the pain and cruelty present in it, while at the same time rejecting outright escapism, Kaworu seems to fit that 'escapist' role quite well.

Kaworu showed unconditional love to Shinji and asked for literally nothing in return. The entire problem with Shinji, which was exemplified during the Instrumentality kitchen scene with Asuka, is that Shinji doesn't love himself and just wants to leech off of others for their compassion without helping them solve their problems in return. That is a big reason Asuka started to change her infatuation with Shinji into disgust towards the end also. Kaworu would continue to be that unconditional provider for Shinji never forcing him to grow out of his shell or experience and accept the cruelty and pain of reality and the bonds you form inside of it. He's basically stuck in one big escapist dream with Kaworu never having to experience pain again since he can just run back to Kaworu and find comfort in it, much like a child running back home to his mother after he scraped his knee while biking. Rei is somewhat similar as she is quite literally symbolic of a mother/god figure who unconditionally loves her children (in this case humanity, in specific Shinji).

I believe that is why Anno had to kill off Kaworu and 'kill' off Rei. They are by nature indicative of pure bliss or a 'return to mother' instead of reality, at least thematically.

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But Naoko even says she looks like Yui. And would you put it pass Gendo or Fuyutski from using her tissue as the template for whatever ended up as Rei.

She's real, just not human. As real as God can be anyway. 4th dimensional being, FAR type shit.

Yui is the basis but there's clearly Lilith in there
She's basically Shinj's half sister

>Netflix
This post stinks, ew.

Somebody needs to watch episode 1 again and that somebody is you.

He says shufu which is housewife
It's the sephirotic torrent you fucking dunce

>this is your brain on asukafaggotry
Look how offended she is.

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It is funny how this ship gets them so riled up.

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The point of the line was that Shinji unconsciously recognizes Rei's appearance as that of his own mother.

I must have been remembering a different scene.
Not an askukafag.

that somebody is running off 10+ year old memory,

I thought that Shinji's Eva absorbed the soul when he got eaten

>being flattered at being told they should be a housewife
Japanese women are truly pathetic
Even brilliant geneticist Yui Ikari wants to throw it all away for muh domestic life

Nowhere. Asuka is fucking twice Shinji's age now, what the HELL was Anno thinking?

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Probably this scene.

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Don't lie to yourself.

Nah, he's just a dude who sees beauty in humanity's imperfections.

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>Because Kaworu's soul went back into Gendo's hand after he died.
No, the souls need to be manually recovered.
Ritsuko went to find the charred remains of Rei-II for a reason before Rei-III was awoken.
If what you said was true, then when Rei-II died she should have just gone straight back to Lilith's body.

Yeah, I always took her as being a human genetically but being made from the flesh of Lilith. In some sense half-sister or aunt would fit, but she's written way too much as being a mother for me to see her as anything but Yui's clone/replacement.

Fuck off tranny. Housewife qties are any man's dream.

>filename
Have you been buried under a rock the last few weeks?

Men are disgusting subhumans

Says the man wanting to be a woman.

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and now the truth comes out.
have fun hitting the wall.

But it's their choice to make. No one forced Yui into her position, and Rei was just seen as motherly in her actions by a kid with mommy issues and 6th sense for incest.

KEK even better 54%

Plus as Lilith she's literally the mother of all human beings.

>then when Rei-II died she should have just gone straight back to Lilith's body.
No because half of her soul was within Unit 01, it was only when she was Rei 3 that her soul was fully Lilith.

Choices under societal coercion to conform aren't choices

I hope Shinji remembered what she keeps her room looking like and rethought the idea of Rei as a housewife.
I mean, none of the main girls would make good housewives at all, especially Misato.

Shinji needs to recognize that is HIS area of expertise.

Who gives a shit about the wall when we have dildos.

>he loved him because of his flaws
He fetishized depression. He thinks he likes humans as far as he thinks they're like him, but don't know that they want to die. It's why he thinks he's there at all. Shinji says things Kaworu can take as proof of what he already believes, he's supporting that with such encouraging statements like you're made of glass, you'll be lonely and hurting forever, and you've only carried on this far by forgetting it.

Okay, then instead when Rei-1 got choked out the soul should have just gone to Lilith, and forced NERV to busy themselves tearing it back out again.

yeah that one

jesus listen to it screeing against normality.
imagine being so confused that you hate your own sex organs and have fantasised the removal of said organs becoming a sexual driving force, but once removed, no longer has sexual drive... enter 54%

Lilith is asexual

She literally blushes and almost loses her composure over being called motherly you fucking tranny, she wants to be a housewife and take care of her possible offspring.
What kind of retard wants to be a woman without acting like one?

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SEETHING

>asexual being goes dokidoki over being called mother-like, an inherently feminine trait
ok buddy

And that's why she's a pathetic doll

was kaworu made for shinji? i understood kaworu as someone who was created specifically for shinji or is that wrong? did he come to love shinji all on his own?

The trick is autism. Autistic women are peak performance. My flatmate once asked what my type of woman was and I told him "severly autistic" without much thought. I think that was a pretty autistic thing to say.

Look who's talking, incel.

Rei's personality has nothing to do with Lilith

>b-b-but I shouldn't join the tang and have sex with my harem for all eternity, that would be running away!
shinji is seriously a fucking retard.

I don't think anyone pressured Yui though. She far too empowered as an individual and definitely wore the pants in her marriage.

Why can't a woman be empowered and motherly? And answer without blaming societal pressures please.

rei - is - lilith

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>that's not a piece of yui reacting to her son saying your a great mom

no - she - isn't
lilith's - soul - had - no - identity - before - being - shoved - inside - a - human - body

kek
happily married man with children, sure thing cat lady.

angels - have - identities - as - evidenced - by - armisael - and - arael - the - mind - rapist

>incel.
is that all you have, SEETHE MOAR.
imagine the smell...

lilith - isn't - an - angel

>married man with children, sure thing cat lady.
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Cope harder.

Ain't no baby making allowed in the swimming pool.
No heavy petting in heaven.
No anal in the LCL.

But it was humanity's strong will to live, something that Kaworu lacked, that made him believe humanity deserved to live over him.
He remarks on the pain in human's lives, but it's the fact that they continue to live on despite this that Kaworu admires them so much.

It really isn't. Yui's soul was entirely taken inside unit 01 and during EoE instrumentality we see Rei being motherly yet again by placing Shinji's head on her lap and talking to him about his worries.

It may have, or they may have forcibly split half of it in unit 01 and half in rei.
And then in that case Gendo could have just forcibly put kaworu's soul back in his body in his hand.

A better question would be if that's all YOU have, a literally obsolete human being whose dick and sperm nobody will ever find useful.

keep calm and dilate

lilith - isn't - human - either
is - it - hard - to - link - the - mother - of - all - humanity - to - a - mother-like - identity?

kek. genuinely smiling now.
no really you made my day. you sad sad person

progenitor != mother

of fuck off with that semantic bullshit, if Lilith isn't mother-like then her behavior during instrumentality becomes a huge mystery

dude stop it... you're killing me. so unorinically funny. and sad at the same time.
my kid is asleep next to me on the couch.. you are soo sad.. Imma gunna stop now but really you bought a smile to my face.

>then her behavior during instrumentality becomes a huge mystery
(And that's a good thing)

Take your meds.

go away Anno

Because that's Rei

Can someone tell me why shinji had boobs in end of eva?

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if Lilith then Rei
if Rei then Lilith

no seriosuly you are the joke. you think im larping and sure I understand but really, true facts. ausfag happily married with a child and getting on a bit because you know i did mention i watched this as it was released back in was it 96? on sbs here in ausfailia. the more you reject reality the funner it is.

>he thinks males are subhuman
>that's why he wants to be a woman
>so a male subhuman can be his daddy

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Which he doesn't start saying until after he gets confused again by survival instinct even existing and finally discovering he was conned. His narrative in front of Lilith doesn't sound earnest if it's supposed to be in continuity with EoE, where he only interacts with Shinji to tell Shinji to stop resisting Longinus so Third Impact can get on, and then to question why Shinji would want to do a thing like leave nothingness.

Lilith's blank soul -> rei's body -> develops identity Rei ayanami -> back into lilith's body but still rei's identity
Separate individuals

If Kaworu's soul got back in Adam's body, the world would have been fucked up.

prove Lilith's soul is blank

He says it even before he approaches Lilith.
>where he only interacts with Shinji to tell Shinji to stop resisting Longinus
He is brought forth because he's the only one who can bring down Shinji's AT Field, not that he himself is in favor of it.

Kaworu says some of the most anti-instrumentality things in the show.
From telling Shinji that avoiding human contact will make him lonely, to telling him that his home with Misato is a good thing that will make him happy, to pic related where he berates Gendo for running away from others.

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No it wouldn't, Adam's body lacks the power to do anything

>blogging
Nobody gives a fuck. Stop typing like a retard and go make your waifu a sandwich.

You'll notice that Rei does not in fact possess memories of being an aeons old alien

love you too user, she's asleep also. why imma wasting time with you fags.

Following your logic, lilith was never an individual (which i agree). The creation of life by lilith seems an automatic and thoughtless process.
Just because rei's soul changed bodies from a human to a divine being, she is still rei.

When people call her "lilith", they arent refering to another secret personality that was never shown.

Except for the fact it would explicitly destroy humanity, as Kaworu was originally was trying to do, as what happened in 2nd Impact.

The Adam fetus was always a body without a soul to the moment Rei nabbed it.

How so? His soul was taken from his Adam body after Second Impact, not before or during it.
The same can be done in reverse, just like how an impact didn't immediately happen when Rei returned to her Lilith body.

He probably considered usurping Lilith's soulless body while looking at it down in central dogma

Do we know that for sure?
Its not like there would be much of interest - drifting in space, smash into a planet, spawn babies on instinct, go to sleep.

No, if Kaworu reconnected with Adam's complete body it would allow Adam to complete 2I
The embryo can't do shit

you can't prove that, not when she almost immediately becomes self-aware when put together in rei 3

He means the fetus had no S2 engine, which probably limits its power dramatically. Thats why Lilith was much more prominent during third impact than Adam, even though both were there.
I dont think kaworu could destroy the world without lilith in some capacity.
Unless Kaworu has a S2 engine by himself, then he could end the world.

I think the sheer length of the memories even if they were mostly nothing would drive her fucking insane
Imagine eternity inside your head
Lilith didn't even create anything, its blood just leaked into the ocean and became the basis of the first life
>put together
Headcanon

An impact doesn't happen when Rei returns to Lilith's body because Earth is inhabited by Lilin and Lilith has no urge to blow her own children up by destroying a continent.

herd u were talkin shit ikari-kun

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>I think the sheer length of the memories even if they were mostly nothing would drive her fucking insane
>Imagine eternity inside your head
Well, Yui thinks she can handle it.

How long do you think it takes before she starts completely regretting her decisions?

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yes, put together
accidentally when both Rei 2 and unit 00 became dust at the same time but put together nonetheless

But she forcibly kills everyone about 5 minutes after that.

Yui is a dumbass
>I know, I'll emotionally wreck my son just to give him a chance at happiness
There's no evidence as to the identity of unit 00's soul

SEELE was going to do it if she didn't

>Well, Yui thinks she can handle it.
Yui is an idiot.
>How long do you think it takes before she starts completely regretting her decisions?
Less than a century.

She could've had the power to stop them.

Being tanged isn't death

>There's no evidence as to the identity of unit 00's soul
now you're just making shit up, Shinji sees what's inside unit 00 when he tries to synch to it during a test
Rei refers to what's inside unit 00 as "the me inside unit 00"

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Lilith definitely had something in her soul. Rei has am unselfish love of all humanity (ep. 6) and is aware of something inside of her (her poem from ep. 14). There's at least instincts of a maternal nature (motherly instincts).

Tanged people aren't dead. They're just without a physical form. They can come back.

>There's no evidence as to the identity of unit 00's soul
Except there is a mini-Rei inside it, jump scaring shinji. And trying to kill Ritsuko('s mom)

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According to Shinji, it's the same as being dead.

This.

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It basically is, body died, your soul is disembodied. People who died before instrumentality appear.

Rei talks about the me inside everything just like everyone talks about the me inside everything because the entire point of the series is people's identities As viewers by others
An asexual alien blob designed purely to serve as the genetic basis for life on a planet isn't going to have any "maternal instincts"
Shinji is an idiot

Only those who died very shortly before

>pic
I don't get it

>that progeny does not have traits of the mother.

Not him but I'd take Anima as a sequel over the absolute garbage the Rebuilds turned out to be.

you're being dumb on purpose aren't you?

Could the subhuman ESL please stop greentexting

Dragonball super spics and BOku No Negro Academia shipperwhales

see
How can Kaworu represent escapism when he says some of the most anti-escapist shit in the show?
And this is continued in Rebuild.

If Anno wanted to portray Kaworu as escapism, he wouldn't have him constantly say shit like pic related.

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Rei Ghost showed up to shinji in Epi 1 like 6 months before EoE, even though she wasnt there to claim his soul.
We know no limit for how much back in time to take people up.
Misato was fucking Kaji soul in EoE pre-instrumentality, a few weeks after his death

Additionally Ritsuko knows what's in Unit 00 and thought it was attacking her in the 1st reactivation trial.

Except it does because it possesses the Fruit of Knowledge. It impaled Adam to prevent the destruction of her people.

And there definitely is a soul in Unit 00. Ritsuko thought it was trying to kill her for a reason. She knows what's in Unit 00 and why it would target her thinking she was Naoko.

>Rei talks about the me inside everything just like everyone talks about the me inside everything
In that specific instance, Rei was trying to figure out who the angel talking to her was in episode 23, as she didn't realize it was the angel immidietely.
She first thought it was her soul inside the Evangelion.
And there is no chance she was referring to her current self when she said it.

That wasn't actually Kaji, it was just Shinji viewing Misato's memories

Those memories are in Unit 00, mingled with Rei I's, we see Rei make contact with them a couple times

Why didn't shinji just unzip her swimsuit? She was basically begging him to before magma diver

Look, Rebuild is bad, but have you seen all the zany crap in Anima?
To name a few:
-4 active Reis including an evil one that is also in love with Shinji and a loli.
-Asuka fusing with her Evangelion and reverting to the mentality of a toddler, and something similar happens to Shinji too.
-Loli catgirl Mari piloting a wolf-Evangelion.
-MP-Evas able to fuse together
-Brainwashed Hikari

I guess its okay if you revel in the craziness, but its nothing intellegent.

Because shinji is afraid of commitment, he is afraid of taking the first step, and honestly treats asuka a bit coldly until everyone else is dead and he is desperate for someone to love him

Just because a girl flirts with you, doesn't mean you should sexually assault her you freak.

>rebuild takes away unit 01's uniqueness as being made from lilith and just makes it one of the four adams because there are four now for some reason

Shinji is too chicken and self-loathing to recognize he is being flirted with, and too chicken to flirt back anyway.

He also does not put much honest effort into trying to understand others, which both Rei and Asuka call him out on in the mind-train scene of EoE.

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Why does he specifically look at Rei in that scene

>four Adams

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Psst, Rebuild has Adam crucified in Central Dogma, not Lilith.

Part amazement she is actually participating in a recreational activity on her own volition, and part that a 14 year old boy will look at all girls in swimsuits regardless.

And Rei probably likes swimming because it reminds her of the tank.

Because his heart belongs to Rei.

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He's sure he's misunderstanding, it's not okay for him to even look, and if he does she'll hate him and never speak to him again and he'll go to jail where he's not even this close to her anymore.

Because she's there, too, and has a butt.

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He turns to look at Asuka's ass when she walks away and has her back turned to him.
Shinji only looks when he thinks they don't know.

I was talking about the train scene in EoE
He stands there for a while then specifically turns to look at Rei

If Asuka was the MC, we would have gotten Asuka x Kaworu in ep 24

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The answer remains the same.

But there are four
Three of them are Eva-01, Mark.06 which was carried to the moon by a geyser of blood as seen in a 2.0 deleted scene which explains the blood streak, and Eva-13
And Mark.09 is "the vessel of the Adams" and "the original master of Wunder (the 11th angel?)" whatever the fuck that means

I think Shinji was just looking straight forward.
Its instrumentality, its weird.
Also Asuka was getting in his face angrily/mockingly ordering him to masturbate, hard to make eye contact with that situation.

The "males" in this thread - hell, this board - is proof enough.

He's even afraid of reciprocating. When Asuka took the first step. She tried to kiss him, sleep in his bed with him, provoke him to not pass her 'wall of jericho' (which was attacked and broken in reality, huh) and literally serializes herself in front of him for his sole viewing with the bathing suit. And despite all of that he is still too afraid to step in on his side despite Asuka taking the first leap forward.
Of course Asuka still fucks this up by making sure every advance she makes towards Shinji is hidden behind some plausible deniability because she is unable to admit her feelings freely (w-what, no I was sleep walking when I fell in your bed! Or I was only kissing you for half a minute because I was bored). At least she made the first advance though. Shinji was too scared to do ANYTHING.

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If a girl did that with me I'd assume she was fucking with me
I remember one time in high school when the classroom was empty and we didn;t want to go in and only me and this one girl went in and then she loudly said OK LET'S HAVE SEX
I wonder about that now

>and literally serializes herself in front of him
meant to type sexualizes

>Also Asuka was getting in his face angrily/mockingly ordering him to masturbate
>she will never do this to you
jdimsa

He turns in Rei's direction, but I swear his eyes track to Asuka. Or I'm just tricking myself because that would make sense with what the next scene is.

Funny because episode 15 proves Rei has some sort of 6th sense and knows when people are looking at her. I wonder why she never brought up her lecherous stares.

I don't fucking know man.

>what is hyperbole
My point is the Rebuilds are so bad, I'd take anything else in place of that shit.

>her
his**

>w-what, no I was sleep walking when I fell in your bed!
Was she really awake that time?
In that case, did she fall asleep and start having a nightmare, or did she purposely pretend to and cry out for her mom for Shinji to hear?

That's the thing. Back then were you afraid of rejection and other people in general like Shinji and so that is why you made that assumption? If you were more confident in yourself would you have said something flirty or witty back?

I'd probably have still just given her a funny look because that's a fucking weird thing to say in that context

I mean, she woke up and went to the bathroom and flushed the toilet, so I would assume she was awake and conscious. It's further hinted in EP22 during her mind rape that she was lonely and wanted Shinji to come into her room.

Maybe the loneliness was on her mind for a few hours and she desperately tried to pull off a stunt to connect with him? I don't know.

I had something like that happen in middle school, one or two girls came over to my lunch table and were being flirty and I just assumed they were trying to get a reaction out of me so I acted indifferent.
Still certain they were just being silly, but I should have at least played along with the game since I don't think it was mean-spirited.

Yeah you're right that is a really fucking weird and awkward move, especially as a high schooler. But Asuka never went that far in her advances on Shinji, she only ever tried to kiss him and basically cuddle with or flirt with Shinji so I still think the self-loathing was a bigger part to play with Shinji's reaction as opposed to just being in an extremely uncomfortable, awkward position.

She's definitely asleep at this point, because he calls her a child and lives.

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>Asuka rolls over in her sleep toward Shinji after he moved to the other side
I feel sad for her.

That's a fair point. It's kind of ambiguous since it seems he encourages Shinji to face reality and live his life, but the love he shows Shinji is very one sided and unrealistic since being in a relationship where one person only gives and the other person only takes is not healthy for any party involved. It doesn't teach Shinji how real relationships operate unless that specific relationship is basically with your mother who loves you unconditionally.

Although, like you said, even in the Rebuilds Kaworu helps teach Shinji life lessons about moving on and interacting with the real world. However, Shinji also finds comfort and becomes basically obsessed with Kaworu since he is the only person to ever show him unconditional love. Kaworu seems like a stepping stone or 'guru' like figure who can help teach Shinji the lessons he needs to know, but as some point or another Shinji would have to move to face reality himself, just as a bird leaves the nest of its mother when it can learn to fly.

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Yeah she's asleep then but was she asleep when she got out of her room, went to take a shit and then fell asleep in Shinji's bed?

Well, that is all Shinji's problem, not Kaworu's.
It is not like Kaworu was actively trying to seduce him

>your mom is inside your Eva unit
>the girl you love is a clone and is also inside your Eva unit
What is the fucking purpose of telling him this? Jesus Christ that's a low blow.

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muh keikaku

Because Kaworu is the good, non confrontational wife who gives a lot of good-natured advice but is still too lenient to actually force her spouse to improve himself. Kaworu is coddling and an unwitting reason why Shinji wanted to escape. Actions speek louder than words, and the only action Kaworu has done that pushed Shinji forward was forsing him to kill him and therefore denying him the easy escape.

I get that but what kind of keikaku requires him to have this sort of information? They don't even tell him Rei isn't human.

Who fucking knows, in 2.0 Fuyutsuki and Gendo were all like IT'S SO TRAGIC THAT EARTH IS FUCKED UP DAMN SEELE and now who knows what they're up to

This.
Just because Gendo and Shinji use Yui and Kaworu's love as escapism, doesn't mean Yui and Kaworu represent escapism themselves nor does it mean their love is 'bad'. It's Gendo and Shinji's actions that are at fault here.