Name a more based Character

Ousen has the strongest keikakus confirmed.

Is the formation Ou Sen's army performed is the same formation Ri Boku's army used before "The great crane"?

It's different, the red crane formation can be built during combat, hence red, which represents blood, as in it's a bloody red crane formation. It's power comes from the fact that naturally it can be implemented at almost any time which is terrifying since a core weakness of formations is how hard they are to set up in that age where you lack technological communication devices and rely on horse riders and flags.

It would take like 400 years later for someone to accomplish something equally as impressive when certain people in 3 Kingdoms took the famed 8 trigrams formation and used it during combat instead of just using it like Zhuge Liang where you bait the enemy into charging into it. For reference, the 8 trigrams formation is the 400 years upgraded version of the Ryuudou formation that Riboku and Go Hou Mei used during the coalition arc.

He's the final of the four heavenly kings of the warring states era for good reason, because he was the last one standing and had the last laugh.

Attached: How The Ancient Chinese Played Turn Based Strategy.png (875x734, 602K)

You mind reminding me who the heavenly king were again besides Ousen?

Hakuki - First Heavenly King, the guy who wiped out 400,000 captured Zhao soldiers and thus paved the way for Qin's unification as Zhao was at the time, a Super State that was as powerful as the current Chu in the manga. He was undefeated throughout his life, conquered 70~ castles (this is the reason why Kyou is seen as impressive and why Houken got directly promoted for slaying a great general while Ouhon who slayed Earl Wei didn't, because despite her not being as amazing as Ouki or Hakuki her ferocity and drive allowed her to surpass everyone else in certain achievements). Hakuki dies because he was forced to commit suicide by King Sho after having a certain incident of disagreement, which historians debate whether or not Hakuki could be considered cowardly since he refused to fight what he proclaimed was a bullshit losing battle to keep his legacy of being undefeated.

Renpa - Second Heavenly King, while not undefeated (almost all if not all losses were to Hakuki), his fame is largely credited to the fact that he was the sole Zhao general at the time who could withstand and block Hakuki's advances. This was proven when he deadlocked Hakuki's army for 2 whole years, only for him to be pulled from the front lines on accusations of him being a traitor, a machination created by Qin spies.

Riboku - Third Heavenly King. Historically the successor/deputy of Houken, this man pulls off the same feat as Renpa, only this time he does it against even more overwhelming odds. In the next Zhao campaign he destroys Kanki's army exploiting his weakness, and manages to deadlock Ousen + Yotanwa + Kyoukai (historically Kyoukai is the first among her generation to be recorded in history and was the earliest general of them all, and all 3 of the above are undefeated in history outside of Riboku's stalemate) with the help of other generals. Unfortunately Yotanwa and Kyoukai slaughtered those generals.

It is Indeed a very impressive feat! Thank you very much for sharing your knowledge with me.

Also note that during the second Zhao campaign, an earthquake preceded the invasion, ruining most of Zhao's infrastructure and causing a massive famine to spread. Riboku still manages pull all that shit he does and only fails because Ousen pulls off the same shit Qin/Hakuki did to Renpa, meaning Riboku historically never lost to anyone in direct combat.

In the coalition arc, historically Houken was the real commander in chief, so Riboku was at no fault on record. This would mean in the manga it is possible that the sole loss Riboku would have his entire life would come from Sei's gambit with the mountain people's ambush, but honestly that's about as likely as Kyoukai becoming the first general instead of Shin/Ouhon.

And while I'm spoiling I may as well spoil Ousen's crowning achievement, Chu. After Shin fails his campaign as commander in chief to taken down Chu due to Shouheikun's betrayal, Ousen who was a super old geezer at the time (like Mougou's age) tol Sei he wanted 3x the number of troops. To allay suspicions of his loyalty for having 600k men would surely cause worry for any ruler, he asked to be richly rewarded showing everyone he just wanted material wealth.

He then does the opposite of Shin, who charged straight into Chu and carved into the heartlands only to get gangbanged. Instead, he stationed his 600k men right across the border and drilled them for an entire year. After a year, Chu presumed Ousen was just full of hot air as nobody would actually waste an entire year at the time doing diddly squat wasting enormous food supplies and other logistical strains and decided to pull up camp and leave thinking Qin were actually just trying to save face after Shin's loss.

Little did they know, Ousen's spies (again you see why the spies in Gyou were so effective, because historically Ousen's spies never fail) through this one year literally scouted the entire lay of the land of the whole of Chu. The moment the Chu army pulled up camp and were retreating Ousen ordered the entire 600k to conduct a nation scale blitzkrieg and literally A-Moved Protoss style and wiped out Chu without a single hint of resistance. This victory cemented his place in the final of the Four Heavenly King.

Now the interesting part is that Ousen is historically not mentioned much or at all after this. I don't even remember if his death was recorded, so at that point it's all in the author's court to do whatever the fuck he wants.

Ah and if you haven't noticed the Wei campaign essentially was a foreshadow of this Chu stratagem that Ousen pulls off, where his main army is completely ready to bum fuck Renpa at the right moment. Hara foreshadows things very well.

>tfw Heki being used as bait is literally foreshadowing Shin most likely being baited to lure out Shouheikun's betrayal

Excuse me for interfering, but what is the real difference between them, for instance, I (in my opinion) suppose that the Great crane tactic is based on two formations:

- The yoke: is used to hold the enemy while the other branches of the army could react properly according to the general's plan.
- The keyhole: is capable of withstanding an Houshi attack. The skirmisher troops in the fronts are supposed to thin out the advancing enemy ranks, while the troops in the center, arranged like a keyhole, can absorb the charge.

For more: gunbai-militaryhistory.blogspot.com/2018/03/sengoku-period-warfare-part-1-army-and.html

Is the red crane formation has the same concept or is it an offensive formation with other different mechanisms?

Attached: 4e277671ea5cfb5fd402ccbaa828d985--crane-dance-chinese-painting.jpg (242x320, 19K)

Crane formations are all the same concept, just that Great Crane is done with the flexibility of shifting their back lines to respond through the two faux instinctual plays of the Earls, while the Red Crane's merit takes it one step further and can be done even when the army has already engaged meaning if say in another scenario, if Ousen's army charged down from a valley which would lead them engaging the enemy as a sword/column/etc formation, Ousen can still manage to get his army to transition into Red Crane the initial clash and such. For most commanders, if they did such a thing, they'd have to disengage and leave the vanguard to fend off the enemy while the rest of the army reorganizes into the proper Crane formation to spread it's wings.

This is why many a times when a giant army shows up on the field unexpected, they don't just straight up charge in while the enemy is shocked, because they need time to get into formation since their marching/running formation is completely different. The sheer scale of the army is what makes it unwieldy and is what makes two armies facing off not jump at each other at first notice, cause the guys who dare to charge off the bat will probably face the enemy who uses that time to get into proper formation.

But Ousen's move implies he's crazy enough that he could have just told his army to charge in willy nilly whenever he wants and then change it to the crane formation, no pauses needed. Now whether or not it's doable against a guy like Riboku or if there are other flaws not yet shown, I don't know.

>Now whether or not it's doable against a guy like Riboku or if there are other flaws not yet shown, I don't know.

Riboku riding to talk with Ousen shows that he's at his wits' end since he's just telling Ousen to surrender.

Well who knows? We still haven't figured out how Ousen is gonna take Gyou and keep it. Where's all the food and other shit gonna come from? There's no food, unless Kanki gives a hand and makes Gyouza. Well I'm sure it'll be addressed but I don't think Riboku is out of options yet, he still at minimum has one card to play though whether or not he can draw it is another story.

Attached: Riboku.jpg (1024x748, 140K)

kek I love this page so much.

Everyone's just very conveniently ignoring the yellow river and Qin being upstream of it.

Hahahahaha, Ousen is a madman.

That's what I predicted when it first started, but it'd be pretty pathetic of wolf boy to not have his garrison be able to stop the new supplies coming in, unless it was planned that Qin was bringing in another army to escort the food. But then that'd mean 4 armies have gone into Zhao, which is 4 armies less to defend Qin, and where they will get this magical army I currently have no idea.

It was also good foreshadowing as well, since Akou was all like 2v1? No problem. Lo and behold he does hold out against 2v1 great generals for awhile.

Based on historical facts, i.e. "spoilers", I wonder how...
- Shin will gain Ri Boku's family name and become "Ri Shin"
- Ri Boku being a successful general until suddenly his own dumb king decides to execute him gets portrayed
- Shin's glorious Wei campaign goes
- Whether Shin's fuckup in Chu will be attributed to Shin being a dumbass or if it's entirely blamed on a certain betrayal or a mix, or perhaps an entirely different reason
- Shin finishing the final war without a single fight gets portrayed
So much to look forward to, but I quite dread the possible "edgyness" stemming from the Chu arc in the future.

He's getting offed for being too successful and people in the army getting angry at the king for being a shithead. Even laid this out this chapter, he's only getting rekt because of the current king.

based ousen playing riboku

>everyone's playing moba
>Ousen is playing rts with mods

I'm more interested in how Sei will react to Shin defeat, I'm sure that he will debate with himself for a long time until he decide to use Shin as a bait and sacrifice for his dream, this will some berserker type of shit. Will Shin be aware that he is a bait or will just blindly trust Sei?

Kanki's playing something else...

Will Sei's deacent to madness be portrayed in this manga?

>- Shin will gain Ri Boku's family name and become "Ri Shin"
This is not a spoiler, Xin is called Li Xin in the first page of the manga. And Li is like the second most popualr Chinese surname after Wang (as in Ou in Ouki). Xin can marry any other girl and get the name. Probably that harem girl he saved in the mother invasion arc.

Not only, remember Shin is a war orphan, but Riboku himself lost all his family members in his prequel story. In other words, it'd make perfect sense if Shin somehow managed to survive but was stolen away to be sold off as a slave when he originally was born in Zhao. It'd give him and Sei a connection, seeing as both were born in Zhao, go to Qin, and fight for Qin to defeat Zhao, their birth place.

Just read above, there's a shit ton of parallels/foreshadowing in this same vein. For all you know Riboku really could be Shin's biological uncle even in this manga. Riboku before wising up was a literal berserker just like Shin. Just look at the way his flash back portrayed him, the same angry mother fucker that Shin was.

Only difference naturally is, Riboku is a bonafide genius. Or at least he was a bonafide Yugioh player.

Probably it will be after, the Chu invasion, he will lose his closest friend Shin, Shou Bun Kun will dead because of old age, losing his most loyal retainer, and he will become paranoid after learning that the betrayer was Shou Hei Kun. Then it will only get worse.

that would be a nice subplot, and would give one more reason for Sei to use Shin as a bait later.

And Ousen will get silently put to sleep.

Don't forget Shin loses like 7~ of his closest lieutenants, possibly a total wipe out. It's gonna be the Bayou arc all over again.

Uh, I don't think Kingdom would benefit from mexican soap opera plots. And it's much simpler to explain them having same surname that like a fourth of China has.

>I don't think Kingdom would benefit from mexican soap opera plots
the queen banging a eunuch was a Mexican soap opera plot

The only time Kingdom has ever deviated from historical records is Heki's life and death, and that was simply due to interpretation of a single line. Changing Riboku from Shin's biological uncle to being merely in-laws would become the second, albeit in a far more drastic change.

The whole mother Queen arc was a soap opera until the end, and it was a good arc.

The majority of the manga is Hara using barebones chronicles to tell his own story. It's not the first and the last time.

But there is nothing bareboned about Riboku being Shin's biological uncle. It's recorded, even if it wasn't recorded how Shin ended up in Qin. But that isn't all that important given how many families were spread across states at the time.

Funny how it was pretty accurate to history.

>Qin dynasty being a shitter dynasty that collapsed on its founder's death like a steppenigger empire

How do you fuck things up this badly?

Eunuchs. Never trust eunuchs.

China is all about taking someone else's accomplishments and calling it your own. See Wei -> Jin

An immortal cultivator (self proclaimed) tricked Sei into thinking he could get immortality elixir, but when Sei tried to arrest his ass, the guy manage to vanish and escape, leading Sei to believe the guy was legit.

He sends out an expedition headed out by a general to the lands where the elixir was claimed to be held. The general knew that it was bullshit, but if he returned he'd be sentenced to death. And so, he took his expedition, went to Japan, and colonized it and never returned. It's said that said general's family sword style was the origin of the katana.

The funny thing is, 400 years later when Cao Cao comes into power, another self proclaimed immortal comes and taunts the guy's ass and gets away with it according to RoTK, and later Cao Cao becomes so paranoid he kills Hua Tuo who was at the time the only brain surgeon in all of China despite Cao Cao having a tumor in his head. And so Cao Cao dies.

And now you know why China fears and reveres immortals.

>And so, he took his expedition, went to Japan, and colonized it and never returned. It's said that said general's family sword style was the origin of the katana.
what?

Didn't Ousen become an emperor based oh real history?

Peasant named Liu Bang founded the Han dynasty.

No but it'd be pretty fun.

>Ousen takes over and kills Sei
>Shin leads the rebellion
>Ouhon stands in the way in front of the imperial palace
>Shin finally takes down Ouhon proving he's once and for all the better of the two
>In the final showdown between Shin vs Ousen, Ousen's helmet is knocked off revealing his face
>Shin, I am your father, join me and we can rule this empire as father and son

Do you remember the eunuch who was with the Queen Mother? Well he comes back and he's responsible for all that.

>you took my penis?
>then I will take your empire!

>Fire Emblem: Kingdoms

Holy crap I just read the chapter. Chadsen is such a fricken baddass, how can other great generals even compete?

Ousen really is a madlad without comparison.

They can't, that's why they are so worried he'll try to take power for himself. Not that he's hid his ambition at all, but he's too fucking amazing not to give overall command to.

Yotanwa and Kyoukai were real? Who would follow a female commander?

They were gender bent. All their backstory and background is made up, their records in history were merely a few lines of them conquering cities and killing enemy generals.

Yes you are way too talanted for the people around you nibba. An hero yourself then you will not be wasting your potential

Im honestly a bit anxious to see Shin fail in Chu and then just fizzle out towards the ending. He doesn't deserve that and neither do the readers who've stuck with him for 10+ years

Its hard to take this manga seriously when its full of chinese characters that use japanese names.

It would be like reading a sengoku era manga except that the characters have all been westernized. Oda Nobunaga = Dan Nathan, etc. You wouldnt be able to take it seriously either.

Nah i think he will redeem himself in part 2 of the campaign by serving under Ousen and beating SHK

Shin will be the Liu Bang of the manga and create the Han Empire after the Qin Empire falls

Screencap this

Attached: nyoho.jpg (500x355, 69K)

I started rereading last week and in the beginning they were using the proper Chinese names and it really was way better. It feels too much like some crappily made fantasy when only the states bear Chinese names.

The way I see it, Ousen will be the final boss. The first arc, when Sei's brother tried a coup, is something I don't believe was recorded in history. The arc was justified because Sei covered it all up and made it a plot point for the coalition arc later and even further when his brother did historically rebel and tying it up all nicely.

Wouldn't it be interesting, given all the parallels shown so far in this thread, if the last arc parallels the first arc, where it's a coup, and it ends with Sei once again covering it all up consigning it to the dust bin of history? After all, why would a fresh new empire wanna announce that their greatest general just tried to usurp the throne? It'd destabilize the empire, and furthermore Ousen was already old, so announcing him dying of old age wouldn't be a problem at all. It'd allow Hara to write it however he wants, and give Shin a chance to truly shine and finally defeat the last living four heavenly king.

Oh and he'd technically 'avenge' his uncle as well thematically.

It's actually kinda sad that after China gets officially unified and Qin gets crowned as emperor that his dynasty didn't even make it 15 years.
Im always impressed though that they still built his mausoleom and made it as beautiful and awe-inspiring as it was, considering his corpse had long since decomposed when it was completed. You'd figure they'd use all those ressources elsewhere.

Well I suppose people still did appreciate him uniting the states and ending the centuries of warfare spanning since the days of Zhou dynasty.

Well he ruled by fear, so once the fear was gone, people started rebelling. Thats a huge downside of ruling by fear, people are always looking for an alternative.

Also its funny how the manga is making qin shi huang look like a good character. I hope he later reveals that everything was an act to get Shin to support him and after he unites China, he starts oppressing people.

>everything will be ruled by law
>and I'll be making and/or approving those laws making sure they're not unfavourable to me
>proceeds to burn history books and bury historians
>chugs down mercury

Not like this. I just wanted Ei Sei to be a good man.

Kanki

Attached: 1519724764822.png (582x922, 701K)

Without Sei getting a little loony, he'd never have approved of the expedition, which means it's possible the Jomon natives wouldn't end up forming Japan as we know it today, and then ya know that means no anime or manga. So in a very retarded way, this Qin emperor's retardation was the very reason we get anime tiddies today.

Ousen is pretty sly. If Riboku accpets he wins, if Riboku doesn´t accept Ousen still wins because right now Riboku is focused only on him giving Shin time to flank his army. When Ousen is finally ready and rebeal against Sei now that´s going to be a party.

>tfw Asanagi will never put out a kingdom doujin featuring the Kanki army

>appreciate him
he was remembered as one of the greatest tyrants in chinese history until the modern times, now he's more viewed as a necessary evil to achieve long-term unification so I think this is how he will be played in the manga (since chinks can get very butthurt if someone implies that he was just plain evil)

Yes but they can still finish his tomb even if he ended a tyrant after finishing unification.

it wasn't done out of general appreciation, it was completed by his son and in a country where ancestors are worshiped failing to give proper burial to your father would be suicide as he'd lose the respect of his vassals

Oh I just thought they already got rid of his son and then finished the tomb. Well Shin's fucked.

The work on his mausoleum should already be ongoing in the manga since it started when he reached adulthood, the core of the work happened after the unification and Qin Er Shi really had to just put the finishing touches