Why do these series feel like total ripoffs from each other?

It's all bottom-of-the-barrel shonenshit.

You're right. KnY is probably the worst of the bunch because it's slightly different enough to convince brainlets that their shonenshit doesn't stink like the rest of the shonenshits. It's probably worse than BnHA in terms of plot progression and characters.

>Plot progression
Yikes! Looks like your an anime only retard! Kimetsu is almost finished with the Tanjirou getting ready for his final boss with big bad Muzan Jackson.While your BNHA just had Deku discover "O MY 7 quirks!" Get ready for even more dumb training arcs!!!! Heck, when was the last time Deku fought with Shiggy? Hmmm? You've earned a KYS.

because they are all generic trash

>It's literally my hero academia: supernatural japan myth version.
Wut

Yaibafags, pretentious as always.

>It's now pretentious to say that a series does not feel like another
Okay buddy.

why are shounen threads always trash? It's like I'm reading a bunch of niggers shit-talking at each other

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Let them fight!

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these 3 are completely different from each other, wtf are you smoking?

>Kimetsu is almost finished with the Tanjirou getting ready for his final boss with big bad Muzan Jackson.
So a character who was no one, suddenly becomes a special snowflake and this superficiality is an example of good plot progression? Ok, then. I bet you think Neezuko is an example of strong female character too.

I like Kimetsu, but it's far from a masterpiece.

Nope. KnY has infinitely better character development and interactions than MHA. The only thing MHA and FF have over it are better powers, but FF is still bland shit.

battle shounen's for kid and retard

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Saying those thing mean you a kid and a retard.

> wanpiss

>saying "Yikes!"
Please don't embarrass yourself.
>Looks like your an anime only
Quite presumptuous of you. I'm up to date with the manga and I haven't bothered with the anime past the first episode. What will you imply next?
>Kimetsu is almost finished with the Tanjirou getting ready for his final boss with big bad Muzan Jackson.
I don't even understand what you're trying to say here. The entire escalation up to the current confrontations with the moonies and MJ feels forced, it's like the mangaka is just charging through the baddies to get to some interesting part of the story. And even despite him rushing through, the battles are still slow as molasses because he drags the confrontations on and on and on.
>While your BNHA just had Deku discover "O MY 7 quirks!"
"My BnHA"? Have you been paying attention? Have you heard me praise BnHA?

Stop behaving like a child. This isn't Yea Forums.

>KnY has infinitely better character development and interactions than MHA.
That is not the hill I'm dying on, user. But I do say that "infinitely better" is a stretch. KnY has nonsensical character development, every serious step forward is undercut with comedy. The tone of the story is all over the place, it starts with this great tragedy and then proceeds to become wacky training arc shenanigans. Though you may be right that "KnY has better character development and interactions than MHA", that is a concession I make with the caveat that KnY has horrible character development regardless of it being favourably compared to other shit-tier battle shonen.

All three have MCs that join some organization to achieve their goals, go through a bunch of training arcs, and they typically have some kind of special trait/ability/heritage. They all have the same character archetypes and story beats it's literally "copy my homework but don't make it obvious"

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You really are stupid.

None of these are the original artworks for any of these creations. Have you seen the original drawing of naruto by the creator or desu.

>All three have MCs that join some organization to achieve their goals, go through a bunch of training arcs, and they typically have some kind of special trait/ability/heritage.
THATS 99% OF SHOUNEN YOU FUCKING IDIOT

That called tone contrast. If it keep the same tone the story would became too tiresome. The light-hearted stuff and the comedy help highlight the tragic and serious part.
The human race have been telling that kind of story for century now. Being original isn't a good measure of quality, it how you executed those cliche and tropes. Complain that they share the same structure is like complain that why most house built by brick. Don't fix what isn't broke.

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Promare rip off!

Chadsaw man is the most original in Shonen Jump right now.

I see you haven't seen a new shonen since [insert cancer here].

>The human race have been telling that kind of story for century now. Being original isn't a good measure of quality, it how you executed those cliche and tropes.

I agree but think about it like this: You can apply hero's journey to Lord of the Rings and Lion King and see that they have similar story structure. Their execution, however, is different enough that you rarely see these two being compared.

KnY, BNHA, Fire Force, Black Clover, etc. are all so similar in execution they're always being compared. It's like there's a formula being passed around among the mangaka and they all throw shit at the wall until it sticks.

>KnY, BNHA, Fire Force, Black Clover, etc. are all so similar in execution
Prove it

The execution actually quite difference. I haven't read Fire Force yet and haven't touch BC for age now but from the other 2 i can tell the difference.
> BNHA:set in a world with super heroes,MC have no power but want to be a hero, was given power by a hero he admire. He enroll in a school for super heroes. The main plot revolve around how this world work, it society, the MC relationship with his schoolmate and his journey to master the power and became a real hero.

KnY: MC family got killed by demon, he now trying to turn his sister back to human. He is like us, a newcomer to this world of demons and demon hunters. He not join the demon hunter organization because he want to be one, he did that to find a cure for his sister. The main plot is about his journey to save his sister and the conflict with the demon.

Also there a lot of difference between how these 2 shows executed the shonen cliche, example:
> Deku have a rival, the rival main motivation is to prove he is better than the MC, to validate his superiority.
> Tanjirou don't have rival, like he too nice to want to compete with someone else and he never want to be the best, his goal was alway is his sister.

I also don't think that originality is the end-all and be-all of story telling. You can certainly use archetypes and formulas appropriately to tell a compelling story and not exhaust yourself in the possibilities of The Hero With a Thousand Faces meme. Having said that, this battle shonen genre is a meme that doesn't seem to evolve in any significant way. And while there are exceptions, I don't feel that many stories in this genre are simply good enough. Not to mention that this genre has a number of endemic narrative trappings like power creep and the like that are rarely (if ever) solved and that there is a serious tendency to overpower the protagonist well beyond the narrative invulnerability that is expected of a main character regardless of genre. This is what shonenshit is. A meme between overworked mangakas following trends and simply not having the time to consider the quality, the objective, the style and/or the execution of what they're pumping out. It is a simple product made for mass consumption that for whatever reason taps right into the psyche of a certain demographic. Shonenshit isn't popular because it's good nor is it because it has a time tested formula (unless your timescale is really, really small), shonenshit is only popular because it has the right psychological elements to spreads its meme.

>KnY has infinitely better character development
Hello Nezuko aka Plot Device-chan.
>and interactions
Hello annoying Pig-kun and Crybaby-kun.

>guam peace

Fire Force is more of a mystery series though and none of those other series are.

KnY has the best MC by far and is the most solid. It's too well executed
FF is the funniest with the best world building and has overall the best characters
MHA I stopped reading after that all that fucking filler. I used to think it very well executed despite being generic but KnY blew it out of the water

>he thinks Bleach was for anyone but fujoshi

>That called tone contrast.
And it's also called mood whiplash. KnY has unbelievable character development and the fact that the mangaka is always sugaring the drama with out of place comedy just proves how insecure of a writer she is.

Tanjirou is an incredibly by-the-numbers shonen protagonist though. I don't think there's anything extraordinary about him other than him being a somewhat well executed archetypical character. Other than that, his character "development" is quite painful. And some may argue that basket imouto has more personality because of her overflowing moe.

I think we should look as Shounen as character focus work. For a shounen to work it have to have characters that people like first. Only when people care for the character does they want to see the characters do cool stuff or succeed in their goals. This focus in trying to reel readers in with the character in a relatively short amount of time before been axe does hurt the other stuff like world-building.

Ask for why all of them always involve an organization, it probably because culturally, Japanese like order and organization. Training arc also there but they are needed cause without it we can' t see how hard the character work to archive their goals and when the character win, it fell more earn.

To me, these are small differences that don't draw attention away from the fact that they still have the same general plot elements and story beats. Your examples are comparable to making statements like "BNHA isn't the same as Black Clover because it's about superheroes instead of mages"

You think Tanjirou is by the numbers because a lot of authors try to make "good" MCs. But Tanjirou is a gentle and kind MC finally done right, when he shows compassion it feels real and makes you like him more for it, it doesn't feel like nice guy beta Deku at all.

>KnY has the best MC by far
You’re joking right? He’s boring as shit

>It's all bottom-of-the-barrel shonenshit.
Unironically bottom-of-the-barrel critique.

>The light-hearted stuff and the comedy help highlight the tragic and serious part.
In theory, but it doesn't work well in KnY, it treats its story too haphazardly and constantly undermines itself. The story, on paper, is filled with all sorts of horrible tragedies, but you never feel that.

Those elements you said about Shounen that make they seem to similar for you:
> organization
Japanese just like order or organizations stuff. It like American like the idea of freedom, go again the system and lone wolf archetype.
> trainning arc
Nothing wrong with those, it show how hard the MC work and make his victory more earned. Do you want the MC to do nothing and still win?
>special trait/ability/heritage
Why does this character important? Why does the story revolve around him? Frodo became the ring-bearer cause his uncle give him the ring and he take responsibility for it destruction, Simba is important cause his bloodline.

I used to think the same way about FF. It's a world where everyone is fucking catching fire randomly all the time, but even though they made a point of saying that the fire soldiers were really murderers, the tone always seemed lighter to me than it should've been.
That's until The chapter where Shinra and Iris go to baptize the weapons and a priestess becomes an right next to them, that really made me think Iris could become an infernal at some point in the story. Heavy stuff

You does feel the tragedy, but you have to move on. Most human can and have to cope to move on in their life. One of the way human cope with tragedy is through humor. The character cope with their lost through self-improvement so that they won't lost anyone anymore.

I think Deku is a horrible MC, I don't even know why you're even bring him up. As for Tanjirou, regardless of him being extremely formulaic, I do think that he's a well executed archetypical character. I don't think that the story does a good job of developing his character at all, quite the opposite in fact, but his base personality is very shoneny and enjoyable. The mangaka completely betrays him by inserting him in a "tragedy" with no real weight behind it so his best traits never really shine as they should, his idealism and typical shonen optimism is never really tested, he is simply in this suspended animation state where his character exists in a vacuum because that's how he's supposed to be. And don't get me wrong, that is how he's supposed to be, but at least show me why he's this way and how enduring a personality he has. It all feels so unearned and out of place.

That's some deep analysis, user, hadn't thought about it that way. I'm interested what you think of Shinra now.

Kek

I haven't read FF yet. I want to because I love Soul Eater, but at the same time I don't think I'll enjoy it all that much.

Can't really disagree with any of these but I think my point still stands. You can look closer in the genre and compare Game of Thrones to Lord of the Rings. Both seem similar with the medieval-esque setting, magic, kingdoms, creatures but when both series are being compared, it's always about how one is a deconstruction of the other and how both stories carry different themes and tone; they're fundamentally different.

When it's battle shonen like BNHA, Fire Force, or KnY being compared, it's about how they have similar themes like friendship and perseverance, the same arcs like training ones and rescue ones, the same characters like the cool teacher, the top dog of the organization, the rival, etc. These battle shonen are always following a strict specific formula and they will never be fundamentally different from each other even if there are differences like your examples.

u don't understand fujoshit, they prefer shounen with midget character design like MHA and KnY

Same author

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I've read up to 60-ish chapters, it's generic as fuck. But of course the anime will be the most popular thing because it's a flashy battle shounen.

Don't worry, it got better now

I don't even mind if it's generic, flashy battle shonen. All I care is that it is well executed. I liked Soul Eater because it had a fresh style and vibrant action, it certainly wasn't going to win any writing awards but it was good enough read. Not everything has to be amazing, it just has to not be offensively bad as KnY or BnHA are.

you must not be very far in dr stone