FUN FACT

>That's why I've never stopped wondering, since that day: where have you been?
Did the manga really conclude with him pining for her? Shit, we lucked out with the anime ending, I guess.

I picked this anime up few days ago and even though I wanted to drop it after the first episode because of the art, it grew on me and now I consider it to be actually good. Does the manga's ending satisfy? I'm not looking for spoilers, I just hate reading romance stuff with shit endings.

the manga ending is dogshit, the anime ending is a bit better.

yes, the manager falls for her towards the end of the story.

Romance is a shit genre

Jinrock > everything.

Where's this from? I don't remember reading this in the manga.

Wrong.
The manga goes a bit like this: prior to the last two volumes, Tenchou-san mostly thought that he only "liked" Akira because she brought love stuff back into his life and she's so young and innocent: conversely, she could only like him because she's at that age where she needs that and fell for a 'dad'-like figure.
Toward the end he realizes (we see this via an AU where the two are schoolmates) that their characters actually go together well and if they were the same age, they could've probably fallen in love and pursue a relationship.
Still, as an actual adult 28 years her senior, he draws the line before the point where anything physical/romantic would've happened and directly addresses the matter of Akira running away from her love of the track running club, which she was using her'love story' to escape from all along. She finally acknowledges this herself.
Minor timeskip, everyone in the restaurant who was in high school isn't working there anymore, we see Tenchou melancholically reflect on what passed as Akira sets the new sprinting record, as she sports the parasol he gifted her because the last volume is heavy on the whole rain/snow/sun/umbrella symbolism.

I think it was beautiful, but one of the core themes of the story is "you'll understand when you're older". I am 32 and I don't think I would've understood the ending when I was 20. At the same time, if I was 20 I wouldn't want an old man tell me "you'll understand when you're older" so what can you do

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Korean dramas > Nippon teenage romance

mah nigga

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Taisho wotome was a shounen romance and it was great. Karin as well. Josei Romance, well there's Sekine no Koi which is really good but still falls into the shoujo cliche trappings a bit. I read a couple others but they kinda just felt like slightly more adult shoujo manga. The main differnece between sekine and the others might be that sekine was a male protagonist.
Shoujo romance manga is kinda shit overall. That might actually be the ones I've read the most and they nearly all fall into the exact same cliches regarding the protagonist or the love interest or both. And then the structure as well. Doesnt help that almost all shojou manga is pretty much romance by default, pick 50 at random and they will all be romance. Which is pretty much what I did.

Not sure what you mean by manga without a specified target demographic though. How many manga outside of sometimes online webcomics and doujinshi doesn't get published in something under a demographic?

I've never come across a josei manga when looking for things to read. Maybe because I don't actively look for romance manga but there's got to be non-romance josei manga.

Most harem sol shit is this.

>someone actually read Sekine no Koi
Underrated manga, the author really took a risk deciding to write a story based around knitting/handicrafts. At first it didn't appeal to me, but there's so much careful attention placed upon constructing the MC's story that makes him feel real, especially his yearning. Great manga, glad we got at least five pages of epilogue.

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The exception.

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What is nisekoi

Shoujo manga really hits its demographic, stories for young girls that end when the characters graduate high school. The thin, spindly art style just don't inspire lust, and the most you'll get is kissing, and sometimes even that's censored.

Yajirobee is a sweet story, but the romance seemed to take a backseat to the family drama. it didn't have any of the cliche pitfalls of regular shoujo.

Josei takes on some more adult themes and places more emphasis on character growth. The characters are allowed to have real flaws and problems, which the story addresses, and makes the characters feel less like blank slates in which you can self-insert into. Josei is like a romance-focused drama.

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>The manga’s ending do not count
ok nignog

>Josei Romance, well there's Sekine no Koi which is really good but still falls into the shoujo cliche trappings a bit. I read a couple others but they kinda just felt like slightly more adult shoujo manga. The main differnece between sekine and the others might be that sekine was a male protagonist.
While josei in general is an underrepresented demographics in what gets threads on Yea Forums for obvious reasons, stuff like Shirokuma Cafe, Saiyuki, Loveless, No. 6, Nana, Chihayafuru, 7 seeds are all stuff that gets discussion, even if it has the "I liked this despite being clearly targeted at women/fujoshi". Also what's probably my favorite manga is josei, pic related
As for actual josei romance, stuff like Nodame Cantabile or DameKoi where you have a serious, brilliant male lead with some past trauma start off by rescuing a trashy but talented female lead before slowly realizing that he might like her behind the barrage fire of banter they usually have is my favorite kind of romance because: it's usually got great humour, has an actual story going on beside the romance and portrays people as flawed but capable of bettering themselves and one another.

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all romance is garbage

>sawatips.jpg

faggot.

Romance is really bad in anime, just play a good eroge is much much better, anime/manga are really crap I don't know why they don't even try.

Garbage ending.

This anime is so good that it made me think I was a yurifag until I visited /u/.

All romance manga is equally shit in my eyes. Sorry.

Always has.

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user, that's like thinking you should visit Yea Forums because you like anime.

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>the manga ending is dogshit

The manga ending is perfect as it is.

>Shoujo romance manga

This group is a weird one. A lot of forgettable trash but the cream of the crop are probably some of the greatest written stories.

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>The manga’s ending do not count

hahahahahahaha

Every category of anything is fucking shit on average, generalized rankings like this are pointless. The average josei romance is harlequin-tier crap like Ane no Kekkon's "I'm a loveless middle-aged workaholic and then this hot rich guy falls in love with me but I don't like him but I kind of do, oh no" or Haru no Noroi's "Oh no my sister died and now I'm being romanced by her bereaved fiance???" or countless others. Honestly, I'm trying to think of a good josei romance, and off the top of my head I can't - I'm sure they must exist, but I just haven't read any I really liked, and that includes the always-praised H&C and Nodame. The closest I can think of is Bokura no Kiseki, but that's not a full-blown romance series even though the romance is fairly major.

I meant to try Umimachi because the japs wouldn't shut up about how good it was, but I could never get up the motivation because I dislike Yoshida's other work. Is it significantly better or different in feeling? I know it's not action, so obviously the plot's different, but is it the same style / tone of writing, if that makes sense?

There are print magazines without specific target demographics - Garo, Manga Erotics F, etc. Don't know of many romance series in those, though, they often tend to be focused on weird or provocative stuff.

The romance was my least favorite part of PSME. I think I kind of liked the side couple where the girl went "fuck you, stop being gay and pay attention to me," but the MC's whole harem was pretty bad in my opinion.

Yeah if you were to look at sekine from the outside he would seem like a generic aloof too cool for school male lead but the detail in his character and the story really makes seem like a person that could actually exist rather than how a character like sekine would normally turn out.

I'll give these a read, thanks.

Nisekoi

I get that the author wants to get across this, but she misjudged the direction of her story, and has a strange philosophy of life. The love she developed was a far more pertinent and valuable thing than her participation in school sports. You can see this reflected in Kondo. His love of literature and writing took over everything else in life, tanking his marriage. But in the end, he was a 45 year old manager of a restaurant who's passion waned, anyway.
The odds are, she'll never run track again after high school. Kondo could reignite his love of literature, and his passion in general, sharing it with a person, rather than needing to be alone. That was growth in his character.
But it was largely thrown away in the end. There was no reason they couldn't have both. Tachibana only got back into running because of Kondo. They complimented each other to do more, and had a mutual respect. Doesn't it stand to reason they would be better together, than apart?
The whole age difference thing is meaningless. Those kind of relationships work out all the time, especially between these kinds of people.
They had a relationship that most people can only hope for: where both parties improve each other. So why did the author throw it away?

I heard that she was basically threatened into ending it like she did.

It's a completely understandable one, but the vast majority of Yea Forums isn't about to settle for "Well it makes sense as a thing that could happen, maintaining a 28 year age gap is difficult". Everyone wants the young girl to channel the dick of the older man she loves because "Realism" usually makes for uninteresting stories.

user, the manga's not a manifesto on romance nor the message is FUCK AGE GAP ROMANCE which most speedreaders only interested in the shipping seem to have gotten out of it.
The core of the series is the rain metaphor: Akira came to the restaurant to find shelter, and in receiving and providing shelter you can 1. even get to like the rain and 2. find strength to undergo changes after the rain.
Their relationship wasn't thrown away, only the romance was put aside: the whole point is that a 45yo knows that love is a fleeting, passing thing, as quick as youth -but it has value nonetheless, if anything it has value because of that. The manga doesn't tell us if they are still in touch: there's no reason to supposed they're not, but even if they weren't, their relationship was still a good, precious thing.
Only Tenchou-san could see that pursuing an actual romance would've undermined the passing nature of that love, and while he came to be thankful for what he and Akira gave each other, he felt that he had too much baggage to force on a 17yo.
Akira was still traumatized after her incident and was afraid to admit it to the point that it was ruining her life. It was because, not despite, the strong relationship they formed that he could get her to acknowledge that she wanted to run still; she pursued a relationship (among other reasons) to escape from that.
In the end, what was an impossible teenage love made her stronger and cared for in hindsight. Happens all the time, doesn't it?

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Are you literally just one autistic man in every single thread?

These kinds of age gaps actually work well in real life.
My parents and grandparents all had big age gaps of varying kinds, and the only reason I'm here was because they worked out.
>love is a fleeting, passing thing
Therein lies the strange philosophy of life. Community between people, of any kind, including romance, is one of the few things that actually lasts a person their whole life. Dreams and career success are fleeting.
>It was because, not despite, the strong relationship they formed that he could get her to acknowledge that she wanted to run still; she pursued a relationship (among other reasons) to escape from that.
But the only reason she started running again was because Kondo.
>In the end, what was an impossible teenage love made her stronger and cared for in hindsight.
Teenage love doesn't happen for those kinds of reasons. Teenage love is misinterpreting infatuation for an abiding kind of love for who a person really is. That's why it usually fails, because it's based on the most shallow of reasons.

That's a cute Yakumo

This is like the third time since the manga ended that I find myself arguing over the finale, and the first time ever that I actually sit down to write anything longer than a couple of sentences.
It stands to reason that other anons would be able to explain what the ending was about to those who are still assmad because they didn't get it, no need to claim samefag.

Teenage love is love felt by teenagers, end of the line. It can be the most shallow, superficial thing or it can lead you to the eternal, deepest love of your life and it still would share some common characteristics based on the lover being a teenager. Which is why I started by saying that it's one of those things one really gets as one gets older, but since it sounds needlessly condescending it's not really worth "debating" on an imageboard for Mongolian throat-singing

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Bait and Switch: The Manga.

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I'm honestly surprised so many people thought this didn't have chance of ending like it did.

I'll allow it in recognition of OP posting the best romance manga of the decade.

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>Manga Erotics F
I mourn its passing every day. We lost Hibana, another based magazine with all kinds of good shit from diverse genres, not long ago too.

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Can someone elaborate on this? This is the first I have heard of this.

Me too, and I'm a big fan of the manga and followed it closely as it was being serialized, which makes me think it's bullshit.

Didn't read any of his posts. That being said, if you're asking whether or not there is only one dude on this board that thinks very highly of Ameagari you're in for a surprise. What's the point though? Most of the threads of this show were a collection of "doujin fixed it", "why didn't they end up together", "pedophile shit" and "NTR dude!!!". It was a great example of the utter bottom-feeder collective that populates this board nowadays.

I remember getting absolutely ass hurt about this manga's particular ending. Like, I've seen the age gap thing work IRL so many times that I even found it a little offensive.
Current society is actually perfect for old male + young female pairings: Old men already know female nature and strictly avoid women over 25+ because of their emotional baggage and young women get to be honest with their hypergamy and settle down with an experienced, wealthier (over men their age) man.
It's the young retards getting married quick and divorcing in less than 2 years that spread the "love" meme. Love is fucking dead in 2019.

the best romance is in eroge prove me wrong

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Age gap pairings in general in real life work out much more often really.

Yep, I'm nearing 30 and have much better experiences with women around 20 than my age.
They still see me as a man and not just a convenient provider, and I still see them as beautiful creatures rather than egotistical leeches

Fuck off, normie.

>normie

Don't you think you're speaking from a place of bias?

based and redpilled

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If you count romcom then yes.

It’s the journey that matters
Nobody gives a shit that Odysseus came back home, people give a shit about his 10 years trying to get back home

>normie

Maybe, but at this point in life I don't waste my time trying to follow a common opinion on things.
It has been great for me so far. It's also great that some people had the opposite experience, that's the beauty of life I guess.
I wouldn't trade young ass for anything though lol

>OP posting the best romance manga of the decade.
ironic

>I wanted to drop it after the first episode because of the art
wut how?

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while its not as bad as usagi drop, the fact that she girl actually confessed to the manager instead of keeping it lowkey while still trying to get close to the manager it would've been better

why are all josei/shoujo are about romance?
manga for males have a lot af theme

gotoubun
idiot, shounen just means it has furigana and it can't have too much explicit content

wrong, josei is worse than seinen because I'm a man and thus they don't pander to me

>Nobody gives a shit that Odysseus came back home

His dog fucking did fuck you

Yet to be surpassed in the Music genre. Also one of few romances that takes place over multiple years.

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> tfw UD author had the balls to go on with the age-gap relationship and the author of KoiAme chickens out halfway through the story.

why is this allowed?

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Good luck maintaining that relationship when one party is a hot, active 30 year old and the other is a bitter, lazy 60 year old retiree. The only couples who stay together then (probably while cheating on each other) are those who can't risk the divorce for financial/PR reasons.

It is not a fairytale romance. If you need the ending to be perfect you will be disappointed

Nodame Cantabile is a top tier series. Recommend to read the manga and then watch the anime or live action so you can hear the performances

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The girafe neck and STICC bodies. Maybe I should've said artstyle.
I need the ending to be satisfying. It's okay if it's not a fluffy as long as it makes sense and gives the series a good conclusion. But my question was already answered above I guess.

What is bokuben

>Nana

Is shoujo. It's squarely directed at teenage girls who dream about being an adult who want to read about 20 somethings who live in the city, hang around bands, have sex and otherwise don't know what to do with their lives. There's no deeper level of thematic depth to the drama that would make it 'adult' aside from it giving off that impression to a heap of western fans due to its aesthetic. Enjoy it if you will, it's superficially very unlike a lot of other things and I can understand that appeal, but at its core everything is driven by the characters' whims and inability to commit.

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If there was anything that could possibly demonstrate the shittyness of the demographic better.

I just picked up Horimiya the other day and holy shit is it great

Genre =/= demographics
Cookie is a josei publication.

The ending of Tokyo Tarareba Girls made me rage so hard. Or maybe I just self-inserted into the nice guy.