I feel romantic love for this anime.
I feel romantic love for this anime
I wanted to stick it in Raka's pooper.
I rabu Rakka
I married this anime when it came out.
Haibanes aren't for lewding. Out with you!
read the book
Hard-boiled Wonderland? ABe's doujinshi? Nemu's book?
Does this anime even exist? Ive never seen anyone post a screencap of it,just these promotional art images.
the book.
It seems too good to be true, but it exists. And it's as real as the warmth of a motherly embrace or the stabbing pain of a loss.
The Tibetan Book of the Dead?
The Book of Mormon?
Lolita?
Oh crap, they are onto us.
In my head, there's a cup that's been slowly filling up, one drop at a time. Today I felt that the cup had become full. You gave me some of those drops, Rakka. Thank you.
Nah, just Hardboiled Wonderland is all. I know it isn't anime/manga but it's cool to compare/contrast the settings/events that take place. seems like you've already read it though, which I wouldn't be surprised of. now stop this reddit shit
Probably because it's one of the blurriest early 00s show and the art from outside the show looks better. It's a great show though, and it has great visual design, just the production side of things was kind of a let down.
Sora no Woto is a great show but I still like Haibane Renmei better
I thought the similarities amounted only to the setting, vaguely. Is there more?
HBW is probably still my favorite Murakami. It's easy to see how the setting inspired Haibane, and fun to see how he uses that same setting to explore mostly different themes and establish a wildly different mood. I would love to live in Guri, but I would try my hardest to escape from The End of the World.
now that's a plottwist
I've heard good things about Murakami, might give it a try. Apparently I'd like his way of story telling.
this scene ripped my heart out of my chest, then filled it with loving warmth and put it back in in a matter of a few seconds.
there's quite a few more similarities, although as wrote, yeah, they differ a lot in terms of theme and mood. You can still see how ABe managed to gather inspiration from the novel as a whole though, and not just its setting.
It's true the art of the anime wasn't excellent but the music was fantastic and I still listen to the soundtrack a lot
I want ゴスロリ haibanes.
I love the orchestral tracks especially. Kow Otani is fantastic in everything he's produced, despite its simplicity.
That was such a powerful scene. That line probably partially triggered Rakka's spiritual crisis *and* helped her overcome it. The mixed metaphor with Kuu's name makes it even better. Emptiness; non-self.
It is true, without Kuu, Rakka wouldn't have slipped into her overt anguish arc, but not knowing the pain of being left behind she wouldn't have escaped the Circle of Sin.
I like how their lives are always meaningful and intertwined.
How did you react when you saw pic related
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it's literally a 7/10
haibanes are not for lewding!
what are your 10/10s? HR is a solid 9/10 for me, only misses the perfect score because of dated production but it's otherwise kanpeki. In terms of personal emotional value it breaks any scale.
>literally
change that to "in my opinion" and you can get away with it.
>rating anime out of 10
There's a website for that
On my first watch of Haibane I was doing a good job of keeping my emotions in check, then this scene came along and smashed my chest in with a hammer. I can't get through a single episode when rewatching it without crying at some point now, I love Reki so much guys. She had a hard life, I'm so glad she's free.
She made it and that's what counts
A pang of sadness, it was clear what that bird represented at this point. I feel like we had that revelation at the same time as Rakka and that made it more impactful. They presented it in such a melancholic way, and not in a scary, shock-inducing way.
>it was clear what that bird represented at this point
Yeah super clear haha we all got that on our first watch haha
Rakka literally spells it for you.
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if there was a way to get out by oneself then she would have found it, but there just wasn't.
Not gonna lie,I'm still not super clear on what it represents exactly, but that feeling of guilt and the subsequent reconciliation for the rest of the show puts it in my favourites. Please spoonfeed me. I know it carries weight thematically, but its something I can only feel emotionally
The bird represents someone from her previous life who had been there for her and cared for her even though she had not been aware of it at that point. Just as Reki needed Rakka to help her escape the "circle of sin", the bird is the one who helps Rakka. I believe that should be the gist of it at least.
It's the bird from her dream that represents a person that tried to save Rakka in her previous life. The bird carried their message over to Glie to tell her that she wasn't alone, someone loved her and wanted to help but unfortunately she was too depressed to notice.
Remember what Kana said: crows in the HR universe are the only beings (besides the Toga) that can cross the wall. Because of that, they're said to carry things from beyond the walls. We can be fairly certain that they represent things left behind or unfinished in their past lives.
In Rakka's case, that bird was someone who tried to save her but couldn't. This is something she said explicitly. A person who was by her side without her acknowledging it and who couldn't stop her suicide, if we go by that theory. The whole Circle of Sin she was thrown into was because she failed to acknowledge this person and the pain she caused them. It's why she forgot her cocoon dream where it was trying to protect her. It's why she only got her charcoal wings back once she fell and faced the bird.
So it was what I thought it was then fuck. I'm guessing that my hunch that their names were related to their methods of death then. I'm not sure if they all committed suicide or they just died with a guilty conscience though. But thanks anons
you mean "9/10"?
You guys seem to get this show. Were they all suicides or just Rakka & Reki? Like just the ones who got the black wings disease? Also what the hell is the deal with the people in the town who aren't haibane?
>It's why she forgot her cocoon dream where it was trying to protect her.
One user in another thread shared a different theory that I like. Haibane forget their previous lives - including the details of their dream - so they can gain an outsider's perspective on themselves, to help them break out of the cyclical thinking that led to them becoming Haibane.
So its only the haibane that get black feathers that killed themselves then? But thanks for the explanation, I gotta watch this again.
The only problem was it was too damn blurry. This show needed a pair of glasses.
They all seem to have in common that they died with a guilty conscience. Rakka and Reki committed suicide, but the kids probably didn't, and we don't know about the others.
I think Rakka's the only one that might've killed herself but even then I'd like to think it was an accident caused by slipping due to all the rain that you hear when she remembers her dream in the well. I believe Reki was just incredibly distressed and didn't notice that she was walking along some train tracks. Maybe I'm being naive but punishing the Haibane that suicided with the sin-bound curse feels too harsh for what Glie seems to be for.
There are multiple theories, but a common one is that the black feathers represent a downward spiral of self-loathing that only someone else can help them out of. Note how Rakka was not born with black feathers.
imo only Rakka and Reki, but the suicide theory is not even confirmed. i have no idea who the town people are, but it is mentioned that that town only exists for the sake of the haibane I believe in any case they all had unfinished business and got a second chance to sort out their flaws. Black wings mean guilt.
I believe only the Sinbound black-winged Haibanes forget their cocoon dreams. But besides that it seems right, they need to forget their previous lives so they can focus on internal growth. Same reason why their worldly possessions are limited I assume.
So why did Kuu wear the hat?
Need to get around to watching the show again. It really benefits from multiple viewings.
huh interesting, so possibly the town people are just NPCs
With a guilty conscience or maybe before their time, which would explain the children. I don't think Haibanes are reborn the same age they were when they died, because Reki and Rakka seemed too young to have committed suicide so early in their lives, but I can't find a satisfying explanation for the curious age differences among the Haibane at Old Home.
So I heard blu ray for this is shit. What's wrong with it?
Should I watch this anime?
yes
I wouldn't say it's shit. It's just not really necessary. All it does is upscale and filter the video. It apparently causes some artifacting but I wasn't even able to really discern any in the comparison images I saw. It isn't as blurry as the DVD release though (it's still blurry though). But it's more or less just slapping a sharpening filter over it. Especially if you're going to download it, I don't think it's worth wasting the space on your HDD with the 1080p bluray rips when they're a negligible "upgrade".
I don't know, what's your favourite animu?
child suicide is prevalent in Japan and there were theories that this anime was some sort of hommage to those kids
it could be yeah...although they seem to have emotions and lives of their own. but in that case, where do they go when they die? guess we'll never know.
It could be that the black feathers don't represent suicide by itself, but crushing guilt and self-loathing like said.
>child suicide is prevalent in Japan and there were theories that this anime was some sort of hommage to those kids
Maybe, but I'd estimate the youngest children to be about four or five years old. Are you talking about specific cases or just the phenomenon in general?
Got sauce for that? Not that I don't believe you but a lot of people tend to conflate teenagers with adolescents.
It's most common among teenagers and 50+. I lost my best friend in high school to suicide, and nearly another friend. I was suicidal myself at that age, and I still wonder if I could have changed my friend's mind if I had let him know that he wasn't alone.
>they seem to have emotions and lives of their own.
One of the villagers is also shown pregnant, which heavily implies they are normal humans. It also ties nicely into the theme of cycles.
i'm not talking about young children, but this age group would include both Rakka and small Reki. I believe the Young Feathers died of other causes, perhaps natural causes or accidents. haibanes do grow up, as seen with Reki and Nemu
anime that have recently become favorites are Ghost in the shell(SAC), A Place further than the universe, Mahjong legend Akagi
And least favorite is Baccano!
>It's most common among teenagers
I take back what I said about Rakka, she has reached an age where I could imagine her doing it. Some of the little ones however barely go up to her waist. They also outnumber the more grown-up Haibane, at least at Old Home, and I don't think that they would outnumber the older ones if they all were suicide victims.
>aged 10-14
Ok, I guess Reki is old enough as well. They grow up so fast...
I believe the Young Feathers died of other causes, perhaps natural causes or accidents
Yes, I believe that as well. Haibanes seem to be those in need of a second chance.
So you were talking about Reki and Rakka. Thought you meant the toddlers which confused me for a bit.
Anyone have a poster sized resolution of this image? Or really any for this show. This is the largest I can find and it'll still be blurry in print
Good taste.
>And least favorite is Baccano!
huh? why?
Well i guess you may like it.
It's Yea Forums-core. A requirement if you want to post here if this was still '07.
Not that guy, but I'd say give it a go. It's not really similar to anything you posted, but it only has 13 episodes if I rember correctly, so you don't stand to lose much. It requires a somewhat mature mindset, but judging from your favorites, that isn't a problem.
If it doesn't click with you, at least we will get some critique, because pretty much everyone itt seems to love it me included.
Thank you user
I'll try it after cowboy bebop
we are all schizos pretending
So if we go by the idea that black wings represent depression and not suicide how do we explain the forgotten dreams of Rakka and Reki? It's the one thing that puts a hole in my theory that any Haibane could become sinbound if their past life's trauma gets brought back up and I haven't been able to think of a good explanation.
We don't even exist, this is part of your imagination.
I believe only Reki forgot her dream. That might be related to how she is the only one to be born with black wings. It's also implied that Reki's sin is pride and it's said to be the worst sin of them all, so maybe that's why she is different. But it has been a while since I watched it, so I can't be sure.
Rakka also forgot about the bird in her dream but she wasn't born with black wings, that's why I'm at a loss.
They way I see it, all the haibane died early in their lives, but only ones who committed suicide can get black wings. They don't necessarily need to if they just live life normally, but most of them do due to a nagging feeling of sadness or not belonging. Reki's case was the worst because she was the most lonely and depressed out of the group, and also commited suicide in the worst state, with no one supporting her or caring about her. Rakka had some support, which is why she wasn't born with black wings.
RAKKA IS CUTE
CUUUTTEEE
The Haibanes forget everything about their past lifes but they retain their personalities and defence mechanisms. Assuming the "Sin" is overwhelming guilt/self-loathing, then it could be that both Reki and Rakka had certain features in their personalities that would lead them to despair as well as suicide in their past lives. It could be that Reki is in despair from the start, and Rakka only enters the downward spiral after a trigger Kuu's departure, and that's why she only got her black feathers later. Forgetting the cocoon dream may be a representation of forgetting yourself, not knowing yourself because there's a part of you that you're rejecting, some dissonance that comes with guilt. Idk it's just a theory.
At what point did Reki display pride? If anything she seemed the most subdued out of the group outside Nemu and Rakka.
She's my fluffy little angel and I love her to bits.
Now that you mention it, it does seem to be the case. But I'm curious how does it put a hole in that theory? Just by the way, I don't think becoming sinbound has to be limited to recurring trauma from past life. For example, Rakka became sinbound, because she couldn't get over the loss of Kuu. That's what caused her depression during the events that took place in the anime and isn't related to her past life.
She's at least feeling guilty of pride. She feels like she only helps others to save herself, which she feels guilty about. She realizes at the end that why you do good things don't matter, and constantly agonizing over if you are the right kind of "good person" is irrelevant as long as you are still doing good things.
By being too prideful to ask for help. Even though she does it only because of the fear of being betrayed, it could be considered pride nonetheless.
Any other anime that stick to a way more subdued palette like this one? I love the browns and greys, it's so different from the super bright and colorful styles we have now.
Pretty much any other ABe show. Lain, Texhnolyze, NieA. Then there is Ergo Proxy and certainly also some shows I can't think of at the moment.
I really tried to get into this anime but I couldn’t. Dropped it at episode 10.
Kino no Tabi (2003), Mushishi, and arguably Boogiepop Phantom. Subdued colors were pretty common in more experimental early 2000s anime.
>how does it put a hole in that theory?
That's actually a good point, I think I just associated it with the black wings as being a sign of sin and never really doubted that conclusion. I like the theory posted by that it represents forgetting yourself and combining it with your idea that being sinbound isn't necessarily caused by remembering your past life's trauma is the complete opposite of my own idea that being sinbound represents falling back into their old human mindset. I like this alternative idea.
>Dropping a show with one hour of runtime left
But why?
I don't know if it's really pride, or simply too much awareness of her own motivations and how the world works. She has been burned so many times that she can't trust anyone and doubts everyone's intentions, including her own.
About not asking for help, Reki had to do everything by herself. She was, as far as we know, the only Haibane to be born alone, to have her wings surface before the halo, was the only sinbound around for a long time, etc. She had no birds calling her, only a very kind older Haibane who ended up abandoning her. Everyone else feared her or resented her in some way. Reki can only do Reki because it's all that she has ever known. She even said that she didn't call for help because she was afraid no one would answer. It's not that she didn't wish for help, but she never believed it would come because, frankly, she didn't have any reason to.
I'll go cry a bit more now.
It simply might not be your thing. For example, an interesting world with a good atmosphere and soundtrack is all I need to enjoy a show on the most basic level. Just trying to make sense of the setting is very enjoyable for me. I also like the eastern style of storytelling, where the work is presented as a riddle and you are supposed to make sense of it, but there might be multiple "correct" solutions. Another thing I like is having relatable characters with complex personalities in it.
Haibane Renmei combines all of these traits to create something that feels like it was practically made for me. But people are different.
Just out of curiosity, what kind of shows do you like?
>tfw you will never be able to forgive yourself
It's an odd one lads.
>tfw no bird to save me
I can't save myself, I'm too weak.
I gave it 7/10 aswell. It was poorly written, not explained well at all. Super comfy tho and music was great.
One of the most striking things for me was how Reki's birth name was her true name all along. She not only became the mask, she already was the mask.
>not explained well at all
SnK wants an info dumb flashback every 3 episodes to spell out everything as explicitly as possible.
Yeah, I like that other user's interpretation as well. I believe Haibane come to Glie when they die with some unresolved conflict/unfulfilled life. Some of them might have commited suicide, and I believe all of the girls in the core group did with the method being implied by the nature of their dream (but that's just what I personally believe and it doesn't have to be the case). As for the kids, they didn't likely commit suicide, but can a kid's life truly be fulfilling when they die at such a young age?
They are given a new chance to make peace with themselves, so that their souls can eventually reach inner peace, fullfilment, equilibrium, however you want to call that, before they move on. The path towards ascension isn't easy and new attachments and conflicts appear even in their new life (with Reki being the exception in carrying over her burdens from the previous life as well). The concept of being sinbound comes into play at this point when they fall into depression and their inner conflict becomes so severe it can't be easily resolved.
But the best thing about the show is you can never be truly sure, someone might interpret it competely differently.
>SnK wants an info dumb flashback every 3 episodes to spell out everything as explicitly as possible
I binged the show so flashbacks werent necessary for me, its just that you cant really deduce exactly what happened and why. Anons are still discussing it in this thread and without certainty. And the fact that almost everything relevant happened in climax in the 2 last episodes making ending as confusing as emotional. Ruined it for me.
>you cant really deduce exactly what happened and why.
I don't know if I came to the "right" conclusion, but I was definitely deducing things and unraveling the mystery and history of the characters. Things like the walls or priest dudes not being explained didn't bother me at all, they were never the focus of the story.
So you'd rather be spoonfed information as opposed to critically thinking and interpreting for yourself?
This is one specific thing I simply must argue against. The main plot is clear and the things that are left vague are left so intentionally. This is a specific style of eastern writing that I have already mentioned. The prominent examples are other ABe and Konaka shows (Texhnolyze, Serial Experiments Lain), Haruki Murakami's books and if you like video games then I'd say Yoko Taro (Nier franchise). It's purposefuly made for people who enjoy to solve these ridles, not an example of bad writing.
pretty much. it might not be everyone's cup of tea, but it's not "bad writing".
I dont mind that you have to come up with details yourself. By poorly written i meant mostly the ending. The first 10 ep. or so were pretty much the world building. I only hated the ending. I remember it being confusing - at least some things they were saying. And the anime shouldnt confuse you in emotionally charged ending like this one.
It went from a 9 to 7 for me.
Oh well, that seems like your personal problem. Many people have understood the ending well. The only riddles we are trying to solve in this thread is "why did the things happen?", not "what happened?".
But hey, I have to give you props for actually discussing this with us. It's a rare sight to see someone not just call a show they don't like "shit" and the fans of said show not calling him right back for being "a pleb with shit taste". HR threads are definitely one of the best here. What kind of shows do you like, personally?
>Oh well, that seems like your personal problem.
Well yes. But there is probably plenty of people that had similar issue. The plot should be resolved throught entire series with the last part during climax, not dumped everything during one scene.
>HR threads are definitely one of the best here.
Agree
>What kind of shows do you like, personally?
I like drama, psychological and romance. But i always have some problems with those and i end up rating shounen highest. Koe no katachi, maquia, monster were only good ones i watched somewhat recently that werent shounen.
Forgot (You)
Not the guy you're responding to but what was it about the ending that had you confused? I'd like to help you understand as it sounds like you enjoyed the rest of the show and I think it's a shame that the ending ruined it for you, maybe you just missed something in an earlier episode.
I guess we do have a bit different tastes after all. For me, it's good when everything is dumped on me at once, because that's exactly the moment that can make me feel emotional the most. The moment where every bit of information I've collected throughout the show falls together like the pieces of a puzzle, but the image they create makes me wish I had never known. For me, it was the moment where Reki's true name is revealed and I could suddenly make sense of her dream, everything started to follow from there.
When I watch shows like Koe no Katachi, or Maquia, there is so much drama it makes me imunne to it after a while and it eventually becomes unsatisfying, it makes the ending lack impact. As for shonen, I can usually predict what is going to happen, so again, it makes things less impactful. But this is my personal problem. I guess different things work for different people after all.
Is this enough??
Took you almost 5 hours, during that time, you probably drew this image yourself.
It would be interesting if Yea Forums would regularly discuss a fictional anime that's nothing but unrelated artwork. Maybe Keit-Ai counts? I see people talking about that occasionally but I don't know much about it other than some of the artwork is based on Your Name.
Well i guess we like different ways of delivering the plot. Maybe thats my problem with Japanese writing overall. And maquia to me had amazing ending, i cried like a little bitch. I have a weakness to stories about passing tho.
I dont remember exactly, it was a while back but i remember during the climax scene with
Rikka and Raka
I was raising alot of questions like
Why Raka needed someone to save her?Just like Rikka. Also she was called the one that was run over or something like that. You had to figure out what that meant on the spot.
Also some other stuff that got me a bit confused. And thats my point. It shouldnt all be revealed during this scene. You suppose to feel not thing during this moment. I understood it shortly after finishing and rewatching this scene.
What if the only two people posting about Haibane Renmei are you and me?
>Rikka
HR makes me want to kill myself.
>you probably drew this image yourself.
I wish I could draw that well.
So Reki (and Rakka during the well scene) needed someone else to save them because of the Circle of Sin thing the Communicator was talking about. I'll admit that I didn't really understand it too well either but the basic gist of it was that you can't remove the guilt you feel over whatever "sin" you committed by yourself, you need another person (the bird for Rakka, Rakka for Reki) to forgive you. At least I think that's how it worked.
The thing about Reki's true name is that she'd been tormented for years over not remembering her dream, which explains how a Haibane originally died, and by finally learning her "true name" all the memories of her dream and the emotions that came with it flooded back.
For me it had the weird effect of making me want to kill myself and simultaneously want to live. On the one side, the idea of a second chance in a warm loving environment is very appealing. Nemu's book specially seemed like a soothing story for the flawed humans who just aren't made to live like the other humans. They failed, but it's ok.
On the other side, HR's world is a bit like ours if you think about it. You're just born here and you have no idea why or where you came from, and you have all of these rules that you need to follow and all of these stories that people before you collected. And you have a flawed personality that you can correct through facing yourself and relating to others. Why strive for a second chance when you can use the one you have right here?
So to summarize, it soothed me with the message that "you should live and find your purpose in this life, but if you can't it's also ok".
I mean... It seems like you know as much as me or even less. But not understanding it isnt the problem for me. I got it AFTER finishing the anime. And that was my complaint. It confused me during climax. Thanks tho.
Ah, I can see why that would be a downer for you. Maybe a rewatch would improve your opinion of the show though now that you've had time to think about it and can let the emotions wash over you. Sorry for not being too helpful, I focused a bit too hard on the spoiler text and didn't fully read the rest.
So what exactly was the Day of Flight?
I like to think all of them met again
Where? It seemed like they were going to the afterlife, but they are clearly already in the afterlife.
Guri can be some kind of purgatory
I always tell myself I am not going to cry, but then I do.
It's OK user, she's finally found peace.
Okay, I will try to give my own explanation. I'm not really good at writing and not a native English speaker, so I hope it's legible. I will not put spoiler tags anywhere, so everyone should be warned.
Just before the whole climax scene, you should have already known Reki desperately needed to escape the circle of sin that was preventing her from ascending. Rakka had the crow to help her and now she wants to help Reki, because in her eyes, Reki is the kindest, most caring person she knows. Both the viewer and Rakka doesn't realize the true depth of Reki's predicament.
Two things become apparent once her true name becomes revealed. First one is the meaning of her dream. Suddenly you realize that the gravel path she had been walking isn't a path at all, this kind person was somehow driven to suicide (it also made me immediately question whether other Haibane killed themselves too). The second one being Reki's true motives, she tells Rakka she has been caring for her all the time only in an attempt to redeem herself, not out of genuine affection.
(this is enough to make the scene impactful for me, because the whole image of kind and caring Reki carefully created throughout the show is shattered.)
When the painting merges with reality, it's implied there isn't much time to resolve this, Reki seems to have accepted her fate of never reaching redemption and is about to disappear. Rakka is shocked from the revelation of Reki's motives and needs to find her faith in Reki again. She eventually does, because she realizes that even though Reki said her affection wasn't genuine, she had been lying to herself. At some point, she really started to care about Rakka, but the question is whether Reki herself is even aware of that.
cont.
With the newfound faith in Reki, Rakka is willing to play the role of her crow, to forgive her and break the circle of sin. That's the solution of the riddle given to her by the Communicator, after all. But for this to work, Reki needs to trust her and accept her help.
That's easier said than done, because we have already seen that the last time she accepted someone's help was when she nearly caused that boy from the factory to die.
(at this point, you should probably be able to guess that there is still hope for her, but you are unsure whether she can make the leap of faith).
The suspense eventually ends and Reki calls out to Rakka for help for the first time in many years. For the first time, she is able to rely on someone and fully entrust herself to her. Not only she is forgiven for her "sin", but it also is a closure to her inner problems. She had been suffering, because she could never trust anyone, she could never rely on anyone and finally, she has overcome it.
I guess I see how it's possible to get lost in this unless you really payed attention during the show. But I hope you realize just how impactful this whole scene can be, if you know what's going on and what are the stakes. Anyway, thanks if you managed to read the whole wall of text.
Something I've always wondered about: When at the bottom of the well, you see a small "pinhole of light" within an all black screen. From what you see, it looks like water rippling. You hear some kind of sounds, like a person walking around a house and eventually closing a door. I've always wondered what was going on there.
Oh, and if I missed something, feel free to correct me, it has been some time since I've seen it.
I would probably have to watch that scene again, but isn't it simply the opening of the well? And the sounds are made by the approaching cult members?
It was a memory of Rakka's death. I've heard a few different interpretations of it but I imagined it as Rakka running away from home during a storm, with the second door sound being the bird leaving to chase after her.
I thought it was a great post, I don't see any glaring issues.
I think Sora no Woto is better but I like Haibane Renmei as well and respect your opinion.
this is really well summarized
You are on point. I understood everything you said on the spot except the part i mentioned about why Reki needed someone to save her. Forgot about that circle of sin that was mentioned because it was just silly to me.
Interesting thought. Certainly possible. I'd have to rewatch/listen with that in mind.
>"One who recognizes their own sin, has no sin."
The riddle is a paradox that has no apparent solution. If you try to solve it in on your own, you end up going in circles. I believe it's just a metaphor for her predicament, not something tangible.
Reki is stuck in the endless circle, because she wants salvation. In order to gain salvation, she was caring and compassionate towards Rakka. But she is aware of the fact she only does it for the sake of salvation and thus can't be saved - endless circle. She does not realize her affection is genuine and can't solve her predicament on her own, but she is also unable to rely on anyone and ask for help.
I believe Rakka realizes this in the end and is willing to forgive her and offer help. Reki eventually does accept her help and thus the circle is broken.
There are, of course, lots of other small nuances such as how being stuck in the circle of sin manifests physically on their wings etc. But that's not really important for the understanding of the main idea. At least that's what I think.
So who were the Toga anyways? My guess is that they were Haibane who failed to pass on. It explains why they're found near the wall and can't interact with anyone.
Better yet, who or what was the communicator?
Reki wants salvation, but the problem is that she initially is only doing the things she says for herself, and not because she genuinely wants to do a selfless act. Eventually, as the other user pointed out, this changes but it's the reason why her Day of Flight almost doesn't happen. She is greedy and self-serving, but recognizes this and tries to fit in but knows ultimately she's trying to do this for herself, not for the Almighty. It reminds me a lot of Matt confronting God in The Leftovers.
I wouldn't go as far and say that she's greedy. Self-serving? Yeah, at least initially but over the course of those 5 years it became genuine altruism contrary to what she wants to believe.