The Big Two

>Also some people forget that HxH CANNOT be cancelled by WSJ because the contract Togashi made after YYH ended
wait so it's not because he's a based chad writer?

Not the point. It's still one of WSJ's current bestselling series and businesses love profits. No reason to cancel HxH.

He's the only publishing author in WSJ who actually owns his series. That's as chad as it gets.

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>No reason to cancel HxH.
they can't cancel it

Black Clover is better than both, dumbass

fucking based and nen pilled. Imagine if he didn't have back pain, WSJ could be save for all the other shit

If that makes you sleep at night sure

black closer is a fucking child compared to the literacy masterpiece which is hxh. Gon is the most complex, multiplayered protagonist ever written

Who?

black closer is a fucking child compared to the literacy masterpiece which is op. Luffy is the most complex, multiplayered protagonist ever written

>good series
>hxh
>op

I kek at you op.

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>get the rights to your own series so it can't be cancelled
>could take advantage of the creative freedom of being free from WSJ's shitty editors and creating something amazing
>instead decide to take a vacation every single year and spend all your time playing video games and busting nuts against the wall
fucking sad

>Watch the first few seasons
Exactly why you don't understand. The fan favorites are either the Phantom Troupe arc (4th arc) and Chimera Ant arc (6th arc). The start is fun but average shounen so those who drop early on dont get the hype.

So what's good for you then?

obsessed

OP and HxH are like yin and yang, rather interesting. They complement each other very well. One is a traditional shounen taken to the extreme, the other is completely subverting shounen.

Something about le deconstruction or a reconstruction or something, also soft-seinen whatever that means.

>he other is completely subverting shounen
how is OP subversive?

It's both, pretty much every other Manga in WSJ is partially owned by Shueisha so authors like Oda or Kishi or Kubo were / are forced to keep up deadlines and deal with more editorial interference whereas Togashi has 100% ownership of HxH after being half owned by Sheuisha when he was writing YYH. I'm sure Naruto would have been much much better if Kishi had full control but it seemed like things started going south about half way through part 1 of Naruto when Kishi didn't have full creative freedom to write his own manga. It's like at the end of YYH, it's very clumsy and ends abruptly and Togashi's said in interviews it's partly because he was burnt out and Jump was rejecting his ideas on how he'd want to continue YYH. The end of Chapter Black in YYH was pitiful and I doubt Togashi wanted it to end up like that but there was also the structure for a whole new arc already in place at the end of YYH but Togashi turned the whole arc structure into a gag chapter than ended YYH the very next chapter, and this was the very last page of YYH. I have no idea how much pull the editors and Shueisha have over your average Shonen manga but that's what makes HxH unique, it's not the same schlock you see over and over again in WSJ manga. WSJ publishers definitely have their contracted mangaka stick to a somewhat formulaic structure that prints money which is kind of why most WSJ manga are considered childish and for young boys. HxH could definitely move to a seinen or other publisher but he's also said in interviews that he just likes what he has going with shonen after 3 decades and doesn't want to leave, and they basically let him publish whatever he wants even if some of it is more brutal than other manga but, I'm sure Togashi also holds back in the brutality of HxH just for the sake of it still being WSJ

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>he removed the "soft-seinen" after he was laughed at yesterday
boards.fireden.net/a/thread/190285891/#190285891

Is this a "soft" OP?

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>The literacy masterpiece
You mean it uses written words? no fucking way man

>show me what do you like, so I shit on that.
nope

seething

That's why I love both, two different flavors of masterful shonen writing.

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What if Jump suddenly decided to cancel HxH & fire Togashi’s lazy ass, what then?

>let me shit on other series even though I have shittier taste

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go back to /pol/

See and

so this is another autistic thread?

Even if he owns the rights WSJ could choose to not publish it

HxH makes money so...

>no merchandise
>money
lmao

The other series don't have to try since One Piece alone keeps Jump afloat and HxH literally can't end unless Togashi either quits or dies.

at least HxH characters finally made it into a big shonen battle game, even if I hate the idea that Gon-san is in it. Seriously as much as Togashi loves his video games it's kind of weird that there were never any HxH games besides those few weird ones on foreign consoles. Hell even Yu Yu Hakusho still makes WSJ some side money and everytime Togashi comes back from Hiatus it's a guaranteed million+ volume sales. It's not like WSJ would ever kick Toriyama, Kishi, or Oda in the balls, meanwhile Togashi is a 10 year veteran at WSJ > oda and kisho

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>Jump Force
>big
>successful
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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I don't even own any consoles or PC games except Diablo 2, I just thought a game like that would be a success, or at least HxH characters made it into something. Is it a really bad game, only successful in Japan, or what?

It is a trash fire

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WSJ just keeps Togashi around to school the younger generation of mangaka by trying new things and arc structures instead of the same old same old Shonen stuff. Togashi is the professor of WSJ and all other mangaka are students

>dude tournament arc lmao

ah, the trailer's made it look like it'd be somewhat good, but I guess you can only polish a turd so much. My only concern with that game was mixing so many different artstyles / character appearances on the same engine but I guess it has deeper flaws

Currently 4th best-selling game of 2019

There was only 1 tournament in HxH and it was the first arc in the series

If it has hxh its a success by default

Heavens Arena and Greed island are both tournaments

King of Shonen!

And Dr. Stone?

Heavens arena might be an actual tournament if Gon and Killua actually wanted to stay there and advance, however it was subverted and ended with Gon punching Hisoka in the face. Calling Greed Island a tournament is a pretty shitty technicality, it's not like there were scheduled fights or brackets, it was just a game to collect 100 cards and a few fights happened

Teaching how to take haituses and shit crude scribbles drawings

>thinking that OP and HxH aren't standard shonenshit
>feeling superior by their favorite shonenshit flavor
HxH is your average 90's edgy shonen that lived too long thanks to hiatuses and OP is still directed at 12 years old
both with abysmal artstyles

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So they both are still tournaments

Have you even looked at the last 50 chapters? The art's been good minus some sloppy panels in the hisoka vs chrollo fight

Heavens Arena doesn't really work like a tournament. You can come and go as you please for multiple months as long as you don't lose too many matches. It's more like an arena with a ranking system.

And the majority of Hunter Exam phases aren't competitions (quiz, running, cooking, capturing eggs, climbing), so it hardly qualifies as a tournament arc.

Greed island literally isn't a competition, any number of people can receive the grand prize and an overwhelming majority of cards can be received without ever interacting with another player

I hope this helps! There are no tournament arcs in HxH.

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If you choose to think that way then yeah, maybe

there isn't a tournament arc in Bleach either, I don't see how that's a good thing

Tight Deadlines and Editorials are expected of the industry. All the good parts of Dragonball were made possible by the combined efforts of Kondo and Torishima pushing Toriyama to do better and being concrete about what they want.

Maybe the real tournament arc was the friends we made along the way

I'd only call Hunter Exam a tournament because it does deal with a very large amount of people being tested and reduced in size with each phase and then boils down to like 10 people out of 400 applicants being chosen for a bracket tournament with a very unusual system. What kind of Tournament arc in any manga has only 1 loser on the bracket and like 8 winners?

Thats literally Kengan Asura

I take my words back then.

the Chunin Exams? the only one who actually got the rank lost his only fight

Why do people compare soft shounen (wan pissu) to soft seinen (HxH)?

One Piece went downhill right after the Maineford Arc. The Time Skip is a victim of all the flaws in Oda's style made noticeable by the lack of Bleach and Naruto to compare: comedy breaks in between serious fights, they style becoming far more cartoony and exaggerated, melodramatic backstories for everyone without a sense of restraint, slow ass pacing and too many characters. Only Luffy and Usopp are recognizable, everyone is looks nothing like their Part 1 counterparts.

What prevents me from enjoying One Piece are that Luffy's serious moments and iconic moments are few and happens once every 200 chapters or so.

>i-i-i am not reading comics for kids
>i-i-it's "softly" for adults!

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One Piece and HxH are the face of the new wave of "Smart Subverse" shonen that pollutes Jump.

Bleach was the last classical battle shonen ever made with it's characters fighting based on raw emotion and Yamato Damashii than strategy or cunning.

>t. kiddie

>t. soft adult (manchild)

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>wan piss
>strategy
>cunning
lel'd

I'm a literal 6.6 chad with 169 IQ.

I like how underage Yea Forums likes to shit on HxH. Feels like everything is in order.

The closest thing to a smart and cunning character that Jump had was Sosuke Aizen, Ginjo, and Ywach from Bleach. They used actual deception and lies to deceive the audience and heroes, but brainlets don't like it.

I like how HxH threads are more active these past few months. Sure is summer in here.

>are more active these past few months
Complete opposite, actually.
Lying to create narrative is one of the most childish things one can do. Such is the nature of the shounenbaby,

Luffy fights with emotion and brute force in evert arc. That's the reason I like One Piece, the bad guys are built up over the course of an arc to be huge assholes and then Luffy punches them really hard because of nakama

Lashing out at things you don't understand is a sign of low IQ, user. The complexity of the current arc in HxH will never be beaten by any other manga simply because it's too deeply structured. That's one of the main reasons it can be considered soft seinen along with the masterful thematic exploration of human nature and subversive character development that doesn't shy away from grey morals. The monster and human reversal of Gon and Meruem was mindblowing.

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>MY HAKI IS STRONGER THAN YOURS AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
cringe

Unironically low test

>my childrens comic book has a lot of words in it
>that means it's smart
I guess Gintama shits all over HxH then

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Nenpilled

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Hisoka will die of old age.

Ichigo fights with raw emotion and brute force in Bleach, but he's treated like an idiot for doing such a thing by heroes and villains who want to shake his resolve.

There's more raw emotion in his Getsuga Tensho than any of Luffy's attacks.

The fight between Perfect Cell and Gohan did that better with less words. Nothing HXH does will ever come close to SUper Saiyan 2 Gohan threatening to physically torture Cell right in front of his own father and mentor.

>Bleach was the last classical battle shonen ever made with it's characters fighting based on raw emotion and Yamato Damashii than strategy or cunning.
the whole last arc had fights based on pragmatism with both sides not being afraid of playing dirty if necessary, even the way the last fight ended reflects that, with Ichigo stabbing Juha on his back when he was distracted and shooting a Getsuga Tensho at point blank

Shikamaru won the battle but quit the war. He could have slit Temari's throat and all the judges and practitioners knew it, so it's not like he really lost

>Nothing HXH does will ever come close to SUper Saiyan 2 Gohan threatening to physically torture Cell right in front of his own father and mentor
Truly the mind of a spic.

HxH is the be all end all of shonen

I only trust people who can enjoy both of those.

>HxH
>left in WSJ
Lmaoing at your lives.

>this entire chart is only like 43 chapters

Perfect Cell understands the game, he knows that viewers want to be entertained by deathmatches and great fights. He's driven by a need to test the limits of his powers, not right societies wrongs. That's why Cell is a chad, while Merumen is a Virgin.

>"Smart Subverse"
What does that even mean?

What? Gon didn't even meet Meruem let alone fight him. It's one of the subversive qualities I've always loved about HxH. HxH's arc climax is rarely about the protag fighting. In Yorkshin for example, the climax is the hostage situation that is not really focussed on Gon (even if he plays a part in it), but rather between kurapika and chrollo and it is resolved without a battle. In Yorkshin, Gon has not one single real fight (only being outclassed and not retaliating after one hit). In CA arc, Humanity beats the ants with a nuke. Why are you bringing up some generic fighting garbage like DB compared to a series with multilayered conflict and subterfuge? Go back to your shonenspic thread.

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i thought cell just wanted to show how perfect and the best he was and just wanted to move from planet to planet blowing them up

Cope

look how shit HxH art is

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based

HxH sucks because it's written and enjoyed by beta males who want to avoid conflict. Gon is the ultimate beta male.

Vegeta and Frieza's DNA compels him to act on pride and prove he's the best, but Goku's DNA wants him to seek out a good fight.

>There's more raw emotion in his Getsuga Tensho than any of Luffy's attacks.
Unironically this

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I sat all the way DB/DBZ/Super, all of Naruto and some of Boruto, half of Bleach, and a handful of other shonen that I dropped after a few arcs. The only attention I ever paid to One Piece was a few episodes on Cartoon Network like 14 years ago. I don't think I can stomach 1000 Chapters of One Piece when I kind of know what I'd already be getting into, not that I have any hate for the series. It's just I've seen plenty of One Piece feedback and the consensus I see often is that most of it is pretty run of the mill stuff and then there really are some high quality arcs in it. Is it fair if I just stick with HxH but not judge OP at all because I don't want to deal with it?

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SS had it's climax with Aizen's reveal with Ichigo being just playing a part of his goals and in the end of FKT who actually defeated Aizen was Urahara, Ichigo only did the dirty job, so the climax not being the protagonist fight isn't exclusive to HxH

>HxH is so subversive
Yeah, it's so subversive that it drops plotlines on a whim and changes genres to whatever fad the author is obsessed with currently
>fuck yeah tournaments
>man i'm really into mafia stories now
>oh cool assassins!
>fuck yeah, a mmo with the dumbest rules a human could come up with
>hmm, there's a lot of ants in my hoarder apartment, maybe I'll write about that, they're physically stronger than me after all
>ah fuck writing this, i'll just call in sick for the next 15 years

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Getting their shit kicked in by a modern army like the Vandenreich finally gave Soul Reapers the wake up call they needed to use different tactics.

speaking of that, what about all the time travel mumbo jumbo and Dr. Gero's little DNA collecting flies, and also them talking about Dr. Gero so casually when he was never even brought up in regular DB. It's also weird in DB because Goku's killing people right and left yet in DBZ he won't even finish off Frieza but then yells at his son to finish off Cell

the manga is honestly a lot better than the anime, there are a couple weak arcs but also a few that are peak shonen imo

SS had some epic power fantasy moment where Ichigo beats up all of those fodder enemies and saves Rukia. Ichigo also fights and defeats Aizen at a later point. You can't fool me about a manga I read.

Guess what series deconstructs that trope? HxH. When Gon has to "rescue" Killua it just ends through a simple talk with his dad and no fighting is necessary.

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>implying getting along with your dad isnt every Yea Forumsnons power fantasy

I think I've seen this pasta before but speaking of Greed Island being an MMO, that arc was written when Yugioh / card games were popular and MMOs weren't a very well refinded genre yet, like Everquest had only been out for 2 years before Greed Island got started. Also the game was originally supposed to be about grouping up and collecting cards by yourself or with team mates, it's not really anyone's fault that ninjaing and PKing became such a big thing other than the playerbase. Also, what rules were in greed island? There weren't many iirc

In the first half of Z, Goku's primarly flaw was showing mercy to enemies who are unrepentant mass murders. He underestimates how cruel and cold space aliens like Frieza, Ginyu, and Vegeta can be.

Aizen allowed himself to be defeated, so he can sit and watch Soul Society crumble. He's not afraid of Central 46, The Soul King, or even Ywach. Ichigo earns his respect based on being the only chad among a bunch of bureaucrats.

>pasta
I just wrote it, but I've shared similar sentiments before. I'm a disgruntled ex-fan that read HxH when Togashi started the chickenscratch-arc.

Here's my take as a fellow Hunterchad. First of all it's the best conventional shounen. One Piece does the "grow stronger, beat the next bad guy" formula best with dozens of characters and factions constantly growing and improving throught their journey. It's also a good mix between a classic shounen and a western "hero's journey". So that is the basic appeal. If you can't stand formulaic stories then you won't enjoy it, but execution is the most important thing.

For its quality execution you have to look into the art and worldbuilding. One Piece is built on the older concept of romance (a glamorized view of reality). Oda aims to capture the essence of a legend and make it real so everything is meant to be unreal and larger than life, Oda is a wildly creative dreamer whose love of the world comes through clearly in his lush, larger-than-life visions.

At the least, try a few volumes of the manga and see if you appreciate Oda's craft, pre-TS OP is a top tier adventure fiction.

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I feel like the Time Skip lacks the larger than life image that makes OP good. It feels like marketing took over with some of the designs and concept.

Ichigo didn't defeat Aizen, Ichigo was losing his powers right when Aizen was about to get a new evolution, if it wasn't by Urahara Aizen would have killed everyone, Ichigo lost that fight

You're comparing sales of HxH's 36 volumes with Naruto's 72 volumes? Are you a retard?

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Aizen is knows killing people to make a Soul Key is bad, was necessary for the greater good of trying to find and kill the Soul King.

I don't think Soul Society would care he he slaughtered citizens of the Rukognai

>comparing wan piss to hxh
not a single piece of destruction or subversion in what, 900 chapters?

>twice as many volumes
>three times as many sales
cope

>oh no I was a retard and didn't notice
>I'll just reply with a "cope/seething"

cope

but there's lots of destruction in one piece

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that's not deconstruction at all

>destruction
what does deconstruction have to do with the topic?

cute faggot, go back to your wan piss thread

>gets BTFO
>has no argument

HxH isn't even a real series.

>cope is an argument

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>buildings were constructed by villagers
>Buggy desconstruced them with his cannon
In this scenario the village represents tradition and Buggy represents post-modernism and technological progression

>still pretending he didnt get BTFO

>Get mad at someone for reading your comments correctly
Are all hxhfags as retarded as you?

How is calling someone a retard an argument?

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Based

>141 posts
>28 IPs
>muh samefagging

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fujo volley does more carrying than HxH

>tfw you love HxH, but hate hunterchads
>but you can't avoid getting dragged in all the shitflinging

>arrive at thread
>shounenbabies shitting on hxh
>btfo said babies
>WAAAAH HUNTERCHADS
pure sóy

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hunter"chads" are a small group of shitposters

COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE COPE

>Watch
>first few seasons

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It's 1 user arguing with himself.

You must be new. Yea Forums is literally shitposting central. Go to other sites if you want a serious discussion.

Is that real? Yonkou is a fucking moron.

Not as much as one as people who legitimately belive hxh/snk/death note is a seinen in any way

Based rare genthruchad

I've already given up, they are the retards we must suffer. Just what happens when you have popular show, the new people latch on to it trying to fit in.

More like the Big One featuring HxH

Those are obvious ignorant retards that you can safely ignore. I just imagined Yonkou had at least half a brain.

>HxH
>Good character design
Gon has the ugliest design of any shonen protag

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Based
cringe

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>He doesn't know who Eren is

HxH is shounen, end of story.

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Fuck you faggots for fooling me into binging HxH, went in expecting something amazing or trash and got a 7/10 instead

more like it's the same group of shitposters that plagues all other series as well

why does anyone listen to this retarded monkey pretending to be insider anyway

Better than listening to a brainlet racist like you

>and busting nuts in your mangaka wife so she will draw your manga for you

>Togashi > Oda
lol

>OnePiece is pretty much superior in all other aspects.

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Way better design than Gon feces

havesex

lol

For me? Its jojo.

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HE SAID FECES INSTEAD OF FREECSS
HAHAHAHA COMEDY GOLD MY FRIENDS

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Si

Those lines always makes me chuckle.

Skypiea-era Luffy and Jolyne...Boy, does this feel damn weird...

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How the fuck did he manage that?

cringe

>HXH
>in WSJ

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>>Only reason it remains is because it does 3 years hiatus all the time
What? The only reason it remains is because it's good enough to still be given a spot despite all the hiatuses

Who's the green hair cutie on the bottom

Yes

Looked like Houshin Engi's art style so I looked it up for you. It seems to be the MC of Houshin Engi Another Story.