It's the summer of isekai!

>skills
>menus
>stats
>dungeons
>guild
yep, it's isekai

>190315419
either a troll or a dumb faggot, no (You) for you

please elaborate, retard

For all his warts, he didn't start this stupid meme.

read/watch actual isekai, or do you actually think that SAO is isekai too? I won't spoon feed you, lurk moar

What is better, a homebrewed isekai, or a xenophile isekai?

None of those are what defines an Isekai, retard.

oh, it's a troll post

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What's any of that got to do with the narrative?

This meme makes some anons so salty, because it is so exact and fitting.

Because it reminds them they're surrounded by idiots who failed high school literature.

It's not the first time some faggot tried to force a meme. Those other times were annoying, too.

Especially the times when the meme stuck.

And that’s a good thing!

Are they actually isekai? Or are they just - main character using oversight ability with no GM to call fowl.

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What's oversight?

Wasn't last summer full of isekai too?

>my shiny teeth and me

"Native Isekai" is literally an oxymoron

only arifureta and maou retry are isekai tho and also, you forgot isekai cheat magician

"Native isekai" is just a dumb word for "fantasy"

It is! Now search for a (huge) list of oxymorons in use, and you'll see why inventing a new one can be so great.

In Tabletop RPGs, oversight when a player acts with knowledge that their character doesn't have. Like the player knows another character is trapped in the back of the dungeon and moves to rescue them. But from their characters' perspective they're not aware anyone else is there and have no reason to do any of the things they do. Which would normally result in a penalty for not roleplaying properly.

All these RPG world anime/mangas feature characters bring their advanced knowledge of physics or programming or trivia to their advantage.
Such as, "That time I got reincarnated as Yamcha!" where a guy becomes Yamcha and uses his knowledge of events to come to train and survive the Saiyan and Freeza story Arcs.

What happens when a game has these things and features a fantasy setting? Are Dungeons & Dragons and Final Fantasy also isekai?

>don't go into the dungeon
>be a level 1 pleb forever
>go into the dungeon
>become level 10 and a hero known around the world forever

Also he gets Hestia's Hestias in either option.

Fall lineup-
Confirmed:
>Kono Yuusha ga Ore Tueee
>Honzuki no Gekokujou
>Kemono Michi
>Make My Abilities Average
Probable:
>Choujin Koukousei-tachi wa Isekai
Questionable:
>Infinite Dendrogram
There are no brakes on the isekai train.

Technically yes, just like how the term "hentai" originally pertains to "perversion/degeneracy" but had its meaning in the West changed to "erotic/R-18 manga and and anime".

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You mean Game Fantasy, a genre where it's a fantasy world with game mechanics that all characters see as natural.

Lord of the Rings is fantasy.
Danmachi and Goblin Slayer are fucking isekais.

Almost everyone carries a smartphone. Full of stats, numbers, fitness tracking, food tracking, etc. You can bring up an app to fuck, an app to find work both long term and temporary, an app to rate others. What you describe is practically what we are living now.

Fuck off you faggot. You might think this is a funny meme to trigger people, but you have no idea how much damage this meme could do if we tolerated faggots like you. Fantasy is an acceptable genre, isekai is not. Dont confuse japan.

Both of them are fantasy you sneveeling faggot.,

No. Genres categorize the story. Not the setting.
Having dragons in it doesn't make the story "fantasy". It's fantasy because slaying the dragons is an impossible feat to overcome.
Like, Scifi is speculative fiction. It's the difference between a story with space travel and and a story about space travel. Using advance technology that just works without any explanation or consequence isn't scifi.

"Hentai" the word is not "Hentai" the name of a genre.

yup, we have a winner here, the ultimate stupid ass faggot

A simple hobbit lives in a Shire which is basically an ultracomfy pastoral England with hardly any wonders. He is forced to go into a scary external world which is full of elves, kings and wizards. His task is to defeat the Dark Lord because somehow it can be done only by a simple hobbit,
It's basically isekai, except that the world is nominally the same. He also gets no harem, but mostly suffering. Take it as a wish fulfillment trope reversal.

Hmm, so what you're saying is that Lord of the Rings is a deconstruction of the isekai genre?

>how dare you call that show with girls fawning over MC a harem? harem is a something Turkish sultans used to have, and the hero isn't Turkish and isn't even a sultan!

It's like music genres. It goes by sound not lyrics.
Rapping about country living doesn't make it "country" - it's rap.

Story genres go by the narrative not the setting. It's called Isekai (Parallel World) because the story draws parallels between the other world and the original world.

Stop using genre names as adjectives! They're NOUNS.

Sometimes the genre/trope originators can unironically be also its deconstructors. That may be because the originators did something wrong and the hivemind fixed their errors. It may also be the case of genre starters being better writers, so they are able to invent something, find its flaws and the solution for them at once.

Lord of the rings is native isekai too you retard

>2019
>people still trying to 'define' isekai when it's already been established by Japan ages ago
>people refuse to use an actual English word for their own headcanon definitions and try to appropriate isekai instead
>people still bringing up Yea Forums shit as if anyone has ever cared for it when they barely even sustain themselves in their home countries
>people are still willing to waste their lives year after year doing the same routine shitposting

You fags are literally addicted to pretending to be retarded on a filipino basket weaving forum. Forget sex, you guys can't even have fun.

The reader can draw parallels between LotR and WW1. However the reader is outside the story. So you can't categorize the story for achieving what the reader was projecting.

The exception being if there is a literary device that invites the audience to participle in the story and co-author it. Such as a puppet show asking children to shower a puppet with love - the source of it's powers.

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Native Isekai means a person is transported from another world but the focus of the story is on a 'native' of that world undergoes change due to the arrival of the person isekaid'd.

Isekai = to be taken into another world.

The game and fantasy elements do not define it as a isekai, those are just cliches and tropes.

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I'm so fucking sick of all these shitty fantasy animes.

I don't remember harems, adventurer guilds and beastfolk sex slaves in my fantasy, sorry

>So you can't categorize the story for achieving what the reader was projecting.
Every story is categorized by its readers, unless of course it's some self-aware sentient story tsukumogami. In this case it may read and criticize itself (but that would be lonely).

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That's a trope. Not a genre. The first 5 minutes of episode 1 doesn't distinguish the next 24 episodes.

>He is forced to go into a scary external world which is full of elves, kings and wizards.
>scary
>His task is to defeat the Dark Lord because somehow it can be done only by a simple hobbit,
>forgetting all the other ways
>ignoring Sam

that's called a demographic. Not a genre.

>scary
But it is?
>forgetting all the other ways
Like an eagle ring bombardment?
>ignoring Sam
Yes, Sam is important, but what difference does it make?

>Like an eagle ring bombardment?
>he thinks this works

>Like an eagle ring bombardment?
Impossible. The Ring would likely corrupt the Eagles.

That's the point, there are times when only a simple hobbit or a simple japanese schoolboy can defeat the dark lord.

Guys, you don't understand it. Those people just come from parallel worlds where terms that sound silly like "native isekai" exist.

Sauron is a giant eye and Mordor is desolate, he would see the eagles with ease before they even entered his territory. If he gets the ring it's immediately game over for all of Middle Earth, so letting Frodo handle the ring was the safest option.

>nazgul
>eye of sauron
>the ring's manipulativeness
>forgetting Eru's intervention

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Just give me the fucking mom Isekai so I can ignore the stupid plot and fap to her every episode.

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Defeating Sauron could be possible if Gandalf used the Ring against him. The problem is that in doing so, Gandalf is going to become Sauron 2.0 & they all wanted to avoid this.

Galadrial, Gandalf, etc

The ring is a tool of power to amplify the wielder. A man becomes more of a man. A tyrant more of a tyrant. What happens when you make a hobbit more of a good-hearted hobbit? A being that wants to be left alone in comfort and not get into any trouble? This is also why "Why didn't X carry the ring?" arguments fall apart. Galadriel literally spells it out: The ring is power, and the elves would not have to wane with her might magnified. Which is exactly why she stops herself and leaves it. This goes for those damn eagles too by the way: They're virtually made of pride. So someone strong can use it to beat Sauron, they just will become corrupted by it.

There must already be an isekai about LotR, but with a japanese MC somewhere.

>only a simple hobbit or a simple japanese schoolboy can defeat the dark lord.
Frodo failed. At the end he refused to throw the ring and destroy it.

Did you read LotR?

The Tolkien estate ain't having that shit.

>user conflates fiction with fantasy.

That's why "if i kill my enemies, i'll become no better than them" trope may be useful sometimes. Enemies you keep alive can die later in a more useful way.

Technically he did, but he lasted long enough to get it in the right place and let Gollum play his role.

Yes, together with some other stuff. I even remember when Sauron was a cat!

He couldn't even throw the Ring into his own fire at his home. He had to be carried by Sam & was never going to be the Ring's destroyer.

Non-fiction fantasy is the best.

>cat sauron
Best part of Silmarillion is him getting trashed by Huan. Once a cat always a cat.

Best part of LoTR is Gimli's song.

That's because you're a newfag.

He's still the one who held it that entire time making his way towards Mt. Doom without trying to keep it for himself. Obviously he never would have made it without Sam, but the entire point of the Ring is that it's a huge, steadily-corrupting burden that someone would have to carry and deal with and not surrender to it.

Nice argument

I unironically enjoyed Arifureta over the rest of Isekais out there like Shield incel

He didn't even have the Ring with him the entire time & even Sam could have took his place early on. He had his important roles besides being Ringbearer but the Ringbearer role itself could be given to others.

>He's got happiness right in front of him
You mean that poor, selfish loser with the annoying voice? She eats trash. She can't even afford shoes. Or a proper dress. She works off her ridiculous debt in a shitty part time job. I bet as soon as someone impregnates her she's going to use this as excuse to never work again at all. If you can find happiness in paying child support for the next 20 years, she's all yours.

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