Why was Part 1 so much better than Part 2?

They made him create Sasuke or else Naruto would have never got the green light

Not more clones, just more tactics with them (though he already did that so yeah). It was just Odama Rasengan, a bit more general competency, and a tad more control of the Kyuubi with up to four tails of access.

I think he fucked up by making all the characters suddenly either good or bad.

In Part 1 it was more conflicting. You were constantly asking yourself questions like:
Is Kabuto actually a good guy?
Is Neji a bad guy?
Is Gaara actually a good guy?
etc

In Part 2 it's really just a clear evil vs good which makes it more childish.

Stop spamming your shitty threads, Narutard

this is literally my first thread on Yea Forums ever

Part1 was about ninjas.
Part 2 was about OP sorcerers and a bunch of magical eyes.

This is about it. Even in part one the Gaara showdown and the Sanin fight are let down moments where the attempt to up the stakes fails.

There's a balance. Lots of series fizzle out with poor mission-of-the-week arcs after a strong start. The Chunin Exams did propel Naruto a lot. But maybe after the Tsunade arc would've been a good time with Sasuke and Kakashi injured and Shikamaru a chunin. Basically what the anime filler arcs were but with Kishi's touch.

Part 1 is about ninjas summoning kaijus
Part 2 is about ninjas becoming

Part 2 was after 5 years of creating this stuff week to week with constant editor meddling. The results of that might have been quite good, but it surely burned him out. Bleach also went to shit after around five years. Togashi ended YYH due to this 4 years in. Weekly manga is a stressful job.

That's not true. You already have people sending water dragons at each other by Zabuza fight, dolls, magic eyes, and control, giant snakes and toads in Chuunin exam... I think ninjas in Japanese pop culture are just different than in Western one.

I thought Togashi was forced to end YYH? That's why Three Kings Saga feels so rushed?

He really didn’t need to get much stronger. He was already top tier.
>Toad summons
>Clone spam
>Rasengan
>Kn0/Kn1
Most jonin couldn’t defeat him

Most interesting characters were introduced and developed in part 2 so no its not so much better.
I loved the obito plot twist and finally knowing Kakashi's past was good.
Pain is a great villain, we got to know more about itachi and the Akatsuki.
Sakura became less shitty and Naruto became less annoying and stopped being used for fart jokes.
The fights were Kino.
Garaa character development was great.
Hinata developed also and knew how to overcome her anxiety and be open more about her feelings.
Maybe that arguable but I thought Sasuke development was handled well and realistically, because no normal human being will just turn back good after all the shit he has been through.

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Shouldn't started with Obito. Invalidated your whole post.

this, also why most people dropped Naruto either at Shippuden or even earlier, like right after the Chuunin exams and the Hokage/Orochimaru battle.

Part 1 plagiarized Hunter x Hunter. Togashi being on hiatus meant that Kishimoto had no more material to rip off from, resulting in quality drop.

Part 1's tone with part 2's characters would be kino.

lmao, explain why you think that..

This, sasuke needed to be flashier and more impressive than the two so Sasuke can catch up and not look like the underdog sonce Naruto was always a more powerful ninja. Sasuke as the rival had nothing on a half demon powered superhuman so they added more mystic eye hax and better ninja skill to fight a ninja who if written at his best would literally power bomb him to oblivion.

The proof is in the characters, plot, and premise.
It's okay if Naruto plagiarized. Actually was a better series for it.

This is stupidity

This is bait

nice

It's the other way around, he run out of steam, didn't think he could anything interesting anymore with the story and they tried to force him to prolong it which he refused to do.

it is really not even similar to HxH, if you mean the tournament arc - that's basically in every shonen and DB first came with it and popularized it

makes sense, the finish was pretty good although it felt rushed

>and a tad more control of the Kyuubi with up to four tails of access.
It's wrong, he had less Kyuubi control because Jiraiya fucked up the seal he risked going berserk with four tails. The only things he really learned was summoning a shuriken which he did all of once and Oodoma Rasengan which is fucking useless. Jiraiya training was the biggest Kishi's fuck up at that point, thankfully it was beaten in the following years.

He never intended to create "Konoha 11" in the first place, the other missions would feature teams from different countries. And they were alrgely developed quite well by the end of part II, it's really Ten-ten who's a non-character.

desu Sasuke retrieval arc was the peak

>it is really not even similar to HxH, if you mean the tournament arc - that's basically in every shonen and DB first came with it and popularized it
There's a world of difference between DB straightforward fighting tournament, and Naruto/HxH type exam which measures your qualifications for a position, testing your skills, ingenuity, and even psychological traits.

>feature teams from different countries
Even better. The Naruto world has huge potential that was unrealised with the Uchihawank in Part 2.

*part I

Did he create the team leaders before then or after? I dont feel as if Kakashi was a non-intended character lol

Kakashi was one of the first characters. Then Sasuke and Sakura were added after editor thought it wasn't interesting enough. Then Land of Waves happened and Kishi wanted to continue with the formula adding "three-man-team+teacher" squads from other countries, but editor told him it was too slow and that he should do the tournament arc. Then when he started liking the idea he was told to create Orochimaru and have him interrupt it. If I recall correctly, that's how first 100 chapters were created.

Sounds like he barely even wrote his own story

Sasuke was a great character up until the Itachi reveal, so it was a good choice for his creation and inclusion.

That's probably for the better though. Part 1 turned out to be really good, it's part 2 where the fuck ups started to happen too often.

Don’t get the Part 2 hate. It was relatively consistent the entire way through in quality (save the last 50 chapters where it jumps off the deep end).

Sasuke ended up one of the most hated characters in the series and the most divisive rival ever created. Was it worth it?

it was all about Naruto chasing after Sasuke, Immortal Duo Arc was literally the only time where we thought some other character could shine, but even then it all ended with Naruto saving the day again

Yeah. But that's how the two best arcs came to be. The system actually seems to work. At least early on.

It was never confirmed in any interview I believe, but I think it's quite obvious Kubo intended to have more small arcs before SS came, but it ended up stopping WSJ rankings and building the series popularity.

Given he, for the entire run of the series was always either #1 or #2 in popularity, yeah it was worth it.

Polls don't always matter, he's fan reception is just under sakura as most hated character that is heavily disliked.

But he’s also extremely popular.

Not in a universal way like Naruto is, and that's all that matters. Sasuke is popular for being infamous as much as famous.

That's not really true. Naruto did nothing of note in Gaara rescue arc prior to resurrecting him (he killed fake Itachi but only after he was set up by Kakashi, he wasn't even able to overcome his genjutsu), was more trouble than anythig else in the Yamato/Sai arc, only defeated Kakuzu who was two hearts short after getting saved by Kakashi and Yamato (the star of the arc was Shikamru). He also didn't do anything in the next arc. In fact, he didn't get a real big victory post-TS (or really post-Gaara) before the Pain arc. His uselessness was often mocked by fans. I recall one translating group changing the name of the manga to "Sasuke" once.
Mostly dropping popular characters from part I (aside of Shikamaru and Gai they would join missions and do nothing during them), too much Sasuke and Uchiha wank, and plot armor were the most popular criticisms before I dropped it. Plus people hated Pain's arc ending.

>Sasuke and Uchiha wank

I never got this notion of so called uchiha favortism.Sasuke being heads and shoulders was par for the course for being the main leads rival, but wanked? Sasuke almost got killed by characters that are beneath him and plot relevance and needed constant help and assistance in battles and plot development to even do anything next, Naruto is the wanked one as he's been building up his simple movesets to buff himself to low kage level since the kakuzu arc, oh and he basically out badass'd every ninja in the series including Sasuke in the war, to the point Sasuke turned into the underdog.

Part 1 fights
>Opponents try to out-smart each other through strategy and misdirection, main characters have to figure out an enemies unique ability and discover a way to overcome it. the characters end up using their cunning and wits to defeat their enemy.

part 2 fights
>lets see who can summon a bigger monster
>lets see who can do DBZ powerups more times than the other person

I think this is how all writing should be, which I mean to say is that the author should give and receive ideas on how the story should be and how it will be integrated. It also stops everyone from hating the author because he could at least claim it was only partly his fault/was out of his control

Part 2 gave us Akatsuki, Obito and Madara. Best characters. Part 1 was boring.

Obito is the best part of part 2.
>kazekage rescue mission drags
>kakuzu and hidan become retarded jobbers when plot demands
>jiraiya's death was admittedly handled well
>pain is good but abandons his godlike conviction for "idk lol just keep believing"
>war first half is a clusterfuck of mismanaged assets, half the fights are rehashes, while all the interesting edo tenseis are sealed offpage/offscreen
>edo tensei madara clowning the allied forces was admittedly good but then he somehow doesn't realize he didn't create black zetsu and gets shitstabbed
>dude aliens lmao
Obito had a strong emotional connection with Kakashi and the anime version of their fight was the best in the series. His past self was literally Naruto so him getting talk no jutsu'd at least makes sense because although he wanted to remove suffering from the world he was also obsessed with the past and was actively trying to maintain his past self the entire fight. His motivation was also best in the series, he refused to accept that the world was required to be shitty unlike Pain who thought cyclical suffering/peace/suffering/peace was the best and only option. Not very godlike to think your solution has to be based in the existing framework of the world. Even Hashirama thought more outside the box than Pain did.

Based.
Most people who think shippuden is worse than the original are blinded by nostalgia.
Shippuden did most of the characters justice and the villans were amazing.

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As much as I prefer part 1, most fight are still won through strategy

Naruto ripped off HxH in the same way Boku no Hero ripped off Naruto

Editor-San always knows best.

But in all honesty, editors aren't entirely bad. Look at DBZ for example.

Yes, Naruto started being handed free gifts since around Pain, but before that he was quite useless. But when Sasuke first he was shown to be leagues above him. Then when we got back to him, he kills Orochimaru. Then Deidara (through major plot armor intervention). That's when Sasuke hatred really took off. And that's why people loved Mr. Host fight, because he's finally getting his shit kicked in. And I fail to see how someone can fail to see Uchiha favouritism, increasingly everything in the story started to be about sharingan and Uchiha with more and more powers coming from it and historical signifacance.

>>kakuzu and hidan become retarded jobbers when plot demands
Hidan is an idiot consistently, Kakuzu does like one stupid thing. It's still the best post-TS arc, Shikamaru/Asuma development and Hidan's fight are fucking kino.

I just wanna go back to the simpler times
youtube.com/watch?v=rZZE_rUaoNY

>and a bigger rasengan
What the fuck was the point of that? Kill them deader?

Real question is why fanfic is so much better than original plot

>tobi is not obito shm are you guys retarded
>tobi is really obito
Yea Forums got fucking assblasted, everyone got fucking assblasted

Well no one expected him to somehow survive being half smashed by a fucking giant boulder.

>Mfw i believed Tobi was Obito since he was introduced
>Madarafags shat on me everytime i brought it up
>Mfw i was right the entire time
Get fucked Madarafags you retards

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actually everyone expected this. the tricky thing was that it was so obvious that nobody thought he'd do it

To the contrary, almost everyone thought so at first. "Tobi is amnesiac Obito" was widely accepted for years. Even after Madara reveal, "Obito is possesed by Madara's ghost" was very popular theory.

Was Kishi trying to one up Kubo on the troll meter at that point?

It was stupid how he trained for 2 years and didn't know about chakra affinities and elemental jutsu.

I'm a Madarafag but I also believed that Tobi was Obito. I love them both!

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>I never got this notion of so called uchiha favortism
Then you weren't paying attention.

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is this the same character that was a serial killer and international terrorist?

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Yeah, but he apologized

Naruto actually felt like an underdog instead of the chosen one.

Actually, he didn't, but he was forgiven and probably received government funding for his researches.

youtube.com/watch?v=dv8e1rmhQfk
Truly, a man to be feared.

He's also a brilliant scientist, so of course they let him walk. That's just how Japan rolls.

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Have you two not read the context of those fights and the fact Sasuke had to literally rely on outside power and having being played around by every ninja he's fought to get a fighting chance. Or are you two that dumb?

How is this wanking them when they ended up the villains and over all hated by the heroes that kicked their asses?