Case Files

It is true, but maybe not the actual hour mark.
The body has functions in it to prevent blood from pooling at your feet when upright, but the same system doesn't work in reverse so all the blood pools towards your brain.
This pressure eventually becomes to large and the heart cannot deal with that pressure and cannot circulate blood anymore and thus you die.

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It can kill you but 3 hours for a healthy young man is unlikely. He'd probably survive 10 hours.

She looks like she's going to deflower Waver.

God I hope so.

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Daughterwives are getting mighty bold these days to just kidnap daddyhusbands off the street.

Your Reines is leaking

the first episode is goat. it did a good job of establishing the goal of the series and the characters introduced thus far are all adorable.
it's regrettably only 13 episodes though, so i'm anticipating some rush.
anyway i can't wait to see more of the fate/world outside of holy grail war shit and wild shota

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Will we get Fleeting Forgotten Castle?

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Well yeah he's her bottom bitch everyone knows it.

Best girl ho!

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ONII-SAMA

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What a semen demon

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I can't stop fapping to the thought of reines tying me down and raping me while she looks at me with her mystic eyes.

I KNOW I CAN KILL
THE TRUTH EXISTS BEYOND THE GATE

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the only thing worth in this show

>You will never be hit by Reines Mystic Eyes of Phallic Reinforcment.

Sadfrog.jpg

She's great, but El-Melloi and Gray are both pretty good characters to. Not to mention, all of the great lore.

This. Watching Waver pulling magic detective shit is glorious.

Am I imagining it or is the whole shape of Waver's face completely different? It's a lot narrower and elongated.

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Sell me this show, is it good or more fateshit to the pile?

It's actually good, but it's very much aimed at old type-moon fans. I'm not sure how much you'll get out of it if you aren't familiar with the VN and so on.

Blood can't flow in reverse, arteries have valves. The body can survive for months in zero g and years with vascular disease. The biggest risk is probably a blood clot forming and an embolism, but for a healthy young man I wouldn't worry unless he was like that for a few days.

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>arteries have valves
Veins have valves. Arteries just have pressure.

I'm retarded, that's correct.

So what does the Association have to say about Chaldea kidnapping one of their Lords and using him as an NP charge battery slave?

She's a mage, not a scientist. Give her a break.

Based. Can't wait for the lewd fan art.

Consideirng they're fully behind Chaldea i suspect they shipped him over in the first place.

The Association is pretty indifferent about most things.

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The fuck is the top image from? That looks terrible. I recognize the second one from Prisma.

Apoc.

The same as when they came back for his apprentice and older sister three and a half years later, less competition for them

>Apoc
>terrible
Pottery

Yes, they brishounenfied him for the sales.

No wonder.

Meh smugloli Reines was all they needed for that.

FGO's already produced plenty of that for Reines.

I mean the fujobucks.

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Lying about it is bad, Waver-kun.

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If you believe its bullshit why not test it? Hang upside down for 3 hours

She sees your submissive boi anus.

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I don't remember but did he lost it with Iskandar or with the headless chicken?

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Doujins don't count.

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Gotta get those fujo bucks

He lost it in a rape dungeon.

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Waver’s bussy belongs to Iskander

Well, both counts technically.

gay as fuck kill yourself

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I immediately had naughty thoughts at this part too.

It belongs to anyone tough enough to sexually bully him, which is 80% of the world's population.

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My dick is harder than it has been in a long time, all thanks to this scene

Waver is gae.

how do you respond?

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this series is a alternate time line from fate/strange fake right?

Yes, this one is just post-Zero (a few months/days before Stay Night)

Case Files is in the same timeline with Fate/stay night, obviously it is a different timeline from Fate/strange Fake.
(FGO belongs to Human Order Strong category anyway)

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I can hear Waver's faggy little "wa!" to my bones.

Wearing "Marks & Spenser's" again my dear?

It's an alternate to FGO as well, Moneybills shows up at some point and says that the Fuyuki Grail won't work for his plans.

He was still a virgin at that point but he holds hands and connects with Luvia's magic circuits

Why didn't Reines just hypnotize the bank into giving her a free loan?

>watched the anime a few hours before rolling
>got Iskandar
Now if only he wasn't shit.

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...

Full set here

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Best girl.

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Pretty sure the lungs would fill with fluid and you'd suffocate before that. Like what happened to John Jones in Muddy Putty Cave. The heart isn't strong enough to support the rest of your bodily functions when upside down for that long

What is she doing to her elder brother? That's not something siblings should be doing.

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It is NBR so it is fine.

Are magic circuits just nerves?

It's worded dumb, but the body has evolved such that standing upright is how it was made to function and hanging upside down for long periods will kill you, primarily because the heart evolved to utilize gravity to get fresh blood to the legs and to retrieve old deoxygenated blood from the brain. Being upside down overtaxes the heart, primarily due to it trying make sure the brain is getting enough oxygen.

>002. Magic Circuits
>A pseudo-nervous system possessed by a mage. It can convert Life Force into Magical Energy.

Ah thanks.

And a nip nong ching chong to you as well, young lady.

Imagine being one of the niggas serving her 24/7.

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>the same timeline with Fate/stay night

Saying this is kinda bullshit since there are like 300 FSN timelines.

Bless you, sir.

That's how you make branch families silly. Nothing strange at all.

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Isn't Gray constantly jealous of Reines getting the W?

Say what you want about Fateshit but God they really perfected the art of lewd loli pandering.

If they make a series with all of them doing lewd things Prisma style some dicks are going to implode.

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>lolidom and loli apprentice
Yes, this show was made for me

They all want to fuck each other

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Waver is a lucky guy.

I respect him for his allegiance to his king but not taping the two is just plain sad.

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Gotta be proactive to keep the bloodline alive.

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Compared to industrial hemp marijuana for smoking is around 20 or 30 times more powerful though.
Some strains are even further apart.

Sure, but Lio was claiming it could stop Mikiya's heart which is nonsense.

The guy IS crazy. I mean, I wouldn't go around believing the words of some random cross dressing weirdo on the streets either.

>Angry/interested face
>Conveys a literal: "I'm not claiming a Used goods right?! RIGHT?!"
>Makes sure he understand whose he belongs to and she's not willing to share
>He doesn't get it anyway

plato?

Did you forget the part where it was literal magical marijuana that had been given to him by Araya Souren for the express purpose of fucking people up?

It's important to note that it was literal magic weed.

I'm merely pointing out how people like to quote that scene out of context to make fun of lol nips is so drug free they don't know anything even about weed!

>>the city that Gilgamesh built
>>the same city that Iskandar died
And here I thought Gilgamesh vs Iskandar is random. One of the aspect that I like from Fate franchise is the relation between the plot and servants story. For example how Cu dies standing in Heaven's Feel or when Achilles( famous for lending his weapons) lends Astofo (famous for borrowing others weapons) his shield. Its kinda cool

Fate is pretty cool if and when someone actually likes a particular figure enough to properly research shit instead of what I suspect to be the reverse: have some vague archetypes or ideas in mind, randomly thumb through wikipedia and ass pull some justification for why the particular heroic spirit is like that.

Tiny hats are cringe.

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Does Gray take care of her needs?

No.
She has W for that.

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yes this will kill someone. it will cause capillaries to burst in your brain from the pressure. your body is built to keep blood in your head and making it harder to leave to keep it from having gravity have too much influence on it. when you are upside down it works in the opposite and makes blood too hard to exit. thus killing you. it does put strain on your heart but youll die from any number of other things before that. also a lesser phenomena to this is astronauts and how their heads balloon in size due to no gravity affecting blood in their head resulting in it retaining more than it should.

It'll only adapt rail zeppelin I think

Well, it's Uro work, not a hack Nasu one.

What if you are bat man.

Call me when Shirou and Rin enroll in Clock Tower

She has a heavy metal slime maid

Fate is dead

Wonderful episode.
>thread is mostly smutposting
Dammit, not that kind of a fandom. Not again.

Checked

This literally isn't fate.

You were late. The people who cared have done most of their discussions in the previous threads.

That's not how it works you dipshit, your name isn't faggot but you sure are one

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AOTY

That post probably sounded better in your head.

That's why aylmaos have big heads.

LOOK AT ME BEING A BAKA

Yeah.
We need more smut in this thread!

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Who the fuck wants more Shirou?

Literally everyone is on pins and needles waiting for Shirou(Muramasa)

I need Muramasa

She says it's something she heard, it doesn't have to be totally true. She is not supposed to be an expert at that either. But yeah, hanging upside down too long will kill someone. She is right.

>porn out already

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If being upside down for too long will kill you, them how do you explain Australians? Checkmate, atheists.

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They're barely human.

Ufo looks easily the most faithful

She bluffs to scare him and make him talk.

Australians developed specialized circulation

Australian's blood flows backwards.

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Strayans are actually the result of an experiment of shitposting magus.

wow, that felt like a 40 minute show. I like it. Really nice directing.

she's been in FGO for a few months so they've got a head start

Why did they ruin Waver?

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It's fine, she's adopted.

IMAGINE

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What? Waver looks fine here. And Case Files actually fleshed him out even better.

That was may edit. In the anime he looked like this.

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>my face
>my soul

high IQ post right here

Gilgamesh has literally no connection to Babylon.
He ruled in Uruk

He looks fine too. Just admit you just want to bitch.

No. This is not how 29 year olds should be portrayed in anime. It's too depressing.

I mean no shit it's depressing, it's fucking Waver

>It's too depressing
Really, user? A guy went through some shitty mage battles that fucked up a city, came back guilt ridden, and got saddled with shitty job of trying to maintain a dying magus family and you think that the guy might not be depressed? And where he spent a huge chunk of his free time just smoking, drinking, swearing while playing video games in his room? I think you might be retarded if you somehow still think that a 29 year old guy might not end up being more aged than he looks out of sheer stress.

shit man, he has tons of responsibility for 7 years now. Boy probably never slept

Being Waver is suffering so it fits.

>It's too depressing
The entire first episode is him accepting Reines' conditions because he blames himself for the fuck ups. Oh, and having to come to terms with the fact that Keyneth was right and that no matter how hard he tries, he'll still be a shitty mage. No fucking shit it's depressing.

Why was she so interested in that? Super creepy.

He's also a virgin.

>It's too depressing
Faggot, that's like the bloody point.

>huge chunk of his free time just smoking, drinking, swearing
Nah, that's just being a Britbong.

Virgin with rage

Pretty sure Waver IS depressed or has PTSD since he still literally can't stand seeing a seibahface.

What did Saber ever do to him?

Stress ages people fast

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Are you blind? They even showed you what happened in the episode.

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He thinks she ganked the El Mellois.

Chris-chan pls

I wonder what the Clock Tower tuition fee is.

80K a year + your virginity

Hackeuchi made too many of them.

>lolidom
Bueno

I guess I won't go then.

I don't remember clearly but was it Kiritsugu who sniped them both

Why Saber? Shouldn't it be Gilgamesh considering he killed his bara gay ass driller?

His blames his participation for his teacher dying and fastwheels did end up dying to team saber. Also, he participated because he was pissed with being mocked, only to turn out whoops, fastwheels was right, mage is all about lineage. With gilgamesh, it was a clear cut muh honorouble warrior battle with iskander (well, as honourable as blasting ENUMA ELISH can get).

she's like 6 years old, what do you expect

it's actually loli findom

i'd blame the translation, but you're to blame for being stupid for not knowing being upside down for a long time will kill you

Making the blood flow in reverse is not however why that happens. It may start to pool in the wrong places, but it won't literally flow backwards.

>some loli just trying to mess with some dude (and very obviously not even trying to genuinely harm him)
>autists whine about muh medical accuracy
Literally missing the entire point.

He doesn't really know that though. He just knows team Seiba killed him.

In reverse to gravity, my dude.

Smartasses trying to discredit a cartoon to appear smart on an anime board.

>That OST
>That fucking Waver leitmotiff
Holy fuck I'm so glad they went with this style, the music really elevates this production. Even what I've heard of the OP is pretty pleasant instead of forgettable J-pop that has plagued Fate OPs.

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She looks very bappable

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here's your Sima Yi, 3k bros

Didn't he barely escape getting chopped to bits by an excaliblast?

Any group picking this up or we stuck with HS?

UTW and fansubbing in general is fucking dead.

Fansubbing is dead and has been dead for like half a decade now.

UTW was limping along to UBW and barely finished it

I think they also did Apocrypha.

Is this 2008?

Unfortunate, was hoping UTW would.

It's basically tied to your soul, and closely related to nerves. It's how your soul overflow into the material world, tiny pathways for mana, the shit. The more you have, the stronger a mage you are.

Interestingly, if your soul transfers entirely into another body, the magic circuits will follow. It's part of your soul, even though it is physical in nature.

Wasn't that just some chink using their label and blog? They managed to mistranslate fucking "Noble Phantasm".

Pretty sure they didn't.
I remember having to watch apex subs

Stuck with HS.

So, it was him, right?

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What's the age gap between Reines and Waver?

Reines is slightly older that Grey (15) so she's probably 16-17
Waver is 29

Perfect

Pretty convenient for body snatchers, or people like Touko.

So what's the deal with Shirou using magic? I firmly recall it being mentioned that he turned his actual nerves into circuits.

That has never been properly explained, but I'd wager that he was just manifesting his natural circuits into nerves.

Shirou has 27 magic circuits. Instead of using the 27 natural pathways built into his body, he instead converted 27 nerves into magic circuits every time he used magic, because he is a huge moron with no training. That's the explanation that makes the most sense.

>Interestingly, if your soul transfers entirely into another body, the magic circuits will follow. It's part of your soul, even though it is physical in nature.

Ah that explains a lot. So they're only related loosely to physical anatomy but are inherently magical.

Are there a max number of circuits or just as many as the magus creates?

Nah, Waver's in TERRIBLE shape.

Waver will do it for money though.

>Are there a max number of circuits or just as many as the magus creates?
The number is fixed at birth, when your soul is plucked from the Origin, aka Akasha, aka the seat of God. It's how your soul overflow into the world. You can't create more magic circuits than what you have at birth, or at least not without grafting a Magic Crest into you (which is basically part soul, part magic from all your ancestors combined).

Magic Crests are incredibly valuable because they're basically all the leftovers from the souls of your ancestors grafted into you. Destroying a Magic Crest is destroying the leftover souls of all your ancestors built into a mana machine, which is why magus take that very, very, very, very seriously.

Waver had those wrinkles under his eyes even when he was younger in the flashback. So it's just stress, it's not because they think 29 years olds are ancient.

Ahh, so through giving yours to your kids you could slowly increase the number I imagine.

Yep. IIRC Rin had 40~ natural magic circuits, and 60 magic circuits coming from her Magic Crests. Magus families pass a fraction of their magic circuits and soul to their descendant. The magic circuits in a Magic Crest are somewhat less useful and can't be used near as well, and need to be properly programmed, but it is still something powerful, able to transform an average magus into a monster.

Which is why the loss of the El-Melloi crest was such a blow for the family. Thousand of years of cultivation, hundred of souls grafted into a mana machine, all disappearing overnight. The El-Melloi are pissed.

Why don't the mages perform forced organ^Wcircuit harvesting? Even if it's just one circuit at a time, they have a blatant disregard for life anyway, might as well collect a few extra ones.

No? Shirou was just born naturally with 27 magic circuits. Whether he got extremely lucky, or his original family was either mages or distantly related to mages, those 27 are actual, regular magic circuits, only degraded because Shirou never used them. Him converting his nerves to magic circuits was a stopgap because Kiritsugu taught him that way, not knowing that Shirou could've done magic regularly.

I know Yea Forums doesn't like apocrypha but there is something I don't understand. How did Waver become Lord El Melloi II in that universe when the events of fate/zero never happened ? That makes no sense.

>Oh, and having to come to terms with the fact that Keyneth was right and that no matter how hard he tries, he'll still be a shitty mage
I really like this fact about Waver. It makes him very human and down to earth. Nor everyone has to be invincible mary sue.

Seiba mercy kills fastwheels after Kerry refuses to because of their magic contract, so from any outsider's perspective when they find the body, he'd be riddled with bullets and have a gaping escalibur shaped slash wound.

yesn't

He took part in a pseudo Holy Grail war, which was probably the same event as in Zero, only under a different name.

No it isn't

I want to fuck Waver!

There are some things that happen no matter what across all timelines under different circumstances. Kirei dying is also one of them.

>excepting lolidom
>Reines is actually a reasonable person
>wet as fuck for waver since the beginning

>Which is why the loss of the El-Melloi crest was such a blow for the family. Thousand of years of cultivation, hundred of souls grafted into a mana machine, all disappearing overnight. The El-Melloi are pissed.
And since Kerry is dead, their wrath was directed at Waver, right?

The question is: could Shirou have created more than 27 "fake" nerves magic circuits? The answer is (probably) no. A soul has a fixed number of maximum magic circuits, from their separation from the Origin. Sure, Shirou converted nerves into magic circuits. That's right. But creating one out of nowhere is a strong impossibility in the Nasuverse. From birth, souls overflow into the world with a strict number of magic circuits. Shirou never created new magic circuits. He just transformed nerves into the magic circuits he had all all along, which is completely retarded, and why Rin badmouthed him so much.

You already have magic circuits pathways into your body, idiot. Don't actualize them into your nerves, what kind of retards are you.

That kind of thing.

Remember. It's soul related. You need to have a connexion with the soul giving you their magic circuits. Magic circuits are more metaphysical than physical. You can't simply harvest unwilling souls from nowhere, if nothing else because of they'll resist, and it will be incompatible with you. Magic Crests work because each generation give a little of themselves to the next. I don't know how you could harvest magic circuits from unwilling participants.

>The world of Fate/Apocrypha did not have a Fourth Holy Grail War in Fuyuki, so Waver had instead participated in a subspecies Holy Grail War across the world with Rider as his Servant, in against Kayneth. He gained the title of Lord El-Melloi II in the same manner.
Btw as mentioned in Clock Tower 2015, Waver also becomes Lord El-Melloi II in Tsuki/Mahoyo timeline where servants can't be summoned and HGW isn't a thing in here

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>square toes shoes
Why gangbang sensei is so lame?

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The sad thing is how some people actually pretend this edgy Fate stuff is somehow a good watch for lolicons, and I feel for it.
Fuck you guys.

But pointy shoes kinda hurt.

from left to right: department / alias / lord / faction

1. General Fundamentals / Mystile / Trambellio / Democracy
2. Individual Fundamentals / Solonea / Solonea / Neutral
3. Spiritual Evocation / Eulyphis / Eulyphis / Aristocracy
4. Mineralogy / Kischur / El-Melloi -> Meluastea / Neutral
5. Zoology / Chimera / Gaiuslink / Aristocracy
6. Anthropology / Brishisan / Brishisan / Neutral
7. Botany / Yumina / Archelot / Aristocracy
8. Celestial Body / Animusphere / Animusphere / Aristocracy
9. Creation / Valuay / Valueleta / Democracy
10. Curse / Jigmarie / Jigmarie / Neutral
11. Archaeology / Astaire / Meluastea / Neutral
12. Modern Magecraft Theory / Norwich / El-Melloi / Aristocracy
13. Law / - / Barthomeloi / Aristocracy

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>having this conversation again 7 years after
wow

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yes
maybe
no

Damn, Iskander's army looked like that?!

Most people have no clue what happened in the war, but the el-melloi family obviously know that waver stole alexander's catalyst, which obviously didnt help his chances of winning.

Will we see the maid golem?

Most of the family have their own branches from the original crest so they're not too bothered by it, in fact they took the chance to fucking plunder all the money, real state and magic reagants/artifacts that they didn't have acess before.

realistically speaking, Iskander's army were mostly greeks or macedonians that wore the linothorax.

I'm pretty sure the novel mentions that's Eumenes of Cardia. Mainly because a certain character says that Waver looks just like him.

Probably. He is more relevant in the Iselma arc and the final arc. But if this sells animating the final arc is a given, because this arc directly ties into it.

True, but not entirely true.

In the Nasuverse, branch families often create their own crests. It is logical. When you aren't in the primary line of succession, you'll try to create a secondary one. It can get somewhat heated, as there is a huge number of branches trying to usurp the main branch.

Yet, they are, by nature, less powerful. The magic crest is less old. They have less mysteries at their call. They're trying, but it doesn't work as well.

Nowadays, the main branch of the El-Melloi is thoroughly pissed about the loss of their mage crest. They're attacked from all fronts by secondary branches, and that's a part of why the supreme smug loli femdomed Waver into compliance.

>He
She

We also had it in the last thread.

>Pronouns: Terminator-he, Terminator-them, Terminator-themself.

Isn't it 90s? Then this fashion is understandable.

Thinking about it, that's the oddest part of adapting Rail Zeppelin. The problem being that it kind of ends on a cliffhanger. If they don't adapt the two following arcs then the Gray stuff and the Heartless stuff will be left unfinished, making the wholen decision of adapting this arc pointless.

Which arc does the Apocrypha dude appear in?

The one who is going to be adapted here. Same with Olga from FGO.

This one.

What dude?

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Caules.

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Caules. Every arc has some guests characters.

Arc 1 has Luvia. Arc 2 has Touko and Atram. Arc 3 has Olga and Caules. Arc 4 has Zepia and Arc 5 has everyone returning.

She's not great. She's the best.

Maid golem is always with Reines so yes.

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Does anyone know what's the story of the novels?

The overarching plot?

Yeah.

Will we be seeing Luvia in this adaptation?

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You will see it in this arc, but basically there is a mastermind behind all these cases. He is the previous Modern Magecraft Faculty dean, whose alias is Doctor Heartless (as he was abducted by faires when he was a teen and he has a void inside his chest now). He is kind of the Moriarty to Waver's Sherlock.

If this does well I'm quite sure they are going to adapt the ending so I would prefer to not explain the entire mastermind's plot here.

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So what's his deal here? Apocrypha is a different timeline, so shouldn't his sister still be the head mage in their family?

Thank you user.

Is this going to be a complete adaptation?
t. has never read source material

Well pulling out Ea on one's behind IS as honorable as it gets.

Do videogames work as a catalyst for summoning?

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Her sister is still a softy and she renounced her position as head of the Forvedge family. Caules took it after that and went to the Clock Tower, where he joined the El-Melloi class.

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>Her
The

Gray's pretty cute, voiced by Reina Ueda even.

What would Reine be like if Kayneth hadn't died? Would she still be a massive slut?

This series is going to be very rewatchable.

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The same but in a branch family. Reines was sado even before Kayneth died.

Olga is going to be in this? She was too cute to die so early in FGO.

So does going to school mean I'm the head of the family?

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Loli Olga yeah.

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even better

Flat will show up, right?

She is the one who invites Waver to the Rail Zeppelin train with the mystic eyes auction.

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Flat and Svin are pretty much in every arc one way or another.

Unless in the future the Throne accepts someone who had certain videogame in part of his/her legend, no.

But Flat got Jack from a plastic knife.

Yeah but Flat isn't normal at all. That summoning was in broad daylight without a proper chant or a circle too.

Is Reiness lusting after Waver?

Zero or Case Files novels?

He's also a fake Jack in a fake war full of fakes

>With a laugh, I finished him off.

>After this, I also took something from him as collateral to ensure he wouldn't attempt to flee from my demands, but that's a story for another time.

>That was the beginning of our love.

>It was a wonderful, heart-warming episode, don't you think?

>...ah, there was one thing I forgot to mention.

>My name is Reines El-Melloi Archisorte.

>The woman responsible for sealing 'him' - the fledgling magus known as Waver Velvet - under the name of Lord El-Melloi II.

What do you think?

Delete this post right now.

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Case Files.

Can I watch this without having watched Fate/Zero?

You can, but it definitely builds on Zero.

Christ.
That's a straight doujin material right there.
>straight

>unironically even using the term fandom
You need to go back

This shouldn't have been the first episode.
Feels way more like ep 0.

Yes, the term fandom is denigratory. Perfect for people like you.

Episode 0 was more of a proof of concept than anything. This is a proper first episode.

Dilate

how can a little girl have so much lust

This was a very intriguing and nicely narrated episode. It went to the point trying to tie the knots between F/Z and the current anime to explain Waver's situation. Cute loli, a little bit of (more or less effective) humor, some well needed world-building... all around one of F/Z's most beloved characters.
It definitely was a VERY enjoyable episode, though a bit heavy in information. Nothing too disorienting though.

That's some stylish army right there.

Based

I guess but you are doing yourself a disservice since Fate/zero is generally well-liked. It's a very fun ride with plenty of Urobuchi memes and by far the best Fate adaptation while the jury's still out for the Heaven's Feels movies

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Fate/Zero also came out during the peak times of the meme culture, that's why it got such a memetic force.

They could always announce a season 2 or something.

Maybe they already had it planned.

But anyway, after this first episode the preorders abandoned the abyss of amazon rankings and right now it has a pretty decent position in the stalker (second after Symphogear) so unless the direction goes abysmal it should sell well enough to get a continuation.

Will my boy Zepia to show up even if he isn't as batshit crazy as his Wallachia counterpart?

>peak times of the meme culture
What does that even mean

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He still says cut cut and uses theatre lingo.

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>branch families often create their own crests.
What? As far as I'm aware, new crest just plain and simply aren't being made anymore, as it both needs an extra rare phantasmal beast component and hundreds of years to get it to a working state.

Branch family crests exist because the main family cuts off a part from their own crest and gifts it so it can become a base and skip the several generations of preparations needed when starting from scratch. It's a branch in the literal sense.

Nice. Remake/2 never ever

what is the difference between dead apostle weak and strong? Does that just mean that in Tsuki and Melty that all humans are weaker?

based

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>The penis can't endure the strain of semen reversal

That DAs in Fate can't get to DAA level. The high tier DAs in Fate are called 上級死徒 (that you can translate as Elite Dead Apostles).

Didn't Iskander already do that?

Reminder that our heart has a 10-30ms window everytime it beats where you can die from commotio cordis if you get hit in the chest

From these posts I'm getting the feeling I should watch other Fate stuff before checking this out, since my Type-Moon experiences are limited to Tsukihime, Kagetsu Tohya, Kara no Kyoukai and Prisma.
I take it Zero is an okayish starting point?

how the fuck do you even exist in TYOOL 2019

>my Type-Moon experiences are limited to Tsukihime, Kagetsu Tohya, Kara no Kyoukai and Prisma

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Why is this little girl interested in that?

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Was planning to read the original vn and avoided fate stuff. I just never got time.

I learned about that in 1000 ways to die.

Sure he did.

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>In-depth look at the Clocktower
>Saberface who's actually a giant jab at Saberfaces and even more surprisingly a decent character
>Touko
>DAAs (though not really but actually yes except not)
>Pallatable amount of servants
Truly the unsung hero of this franchise

Don't listen to those Fate fanboys, Zero would be enough.

At the risk of sounding like a broken record, the VN experience is really incomparable to the anime. Also, it frankly doesn't matter if HF is even god's gift to adaptations since it's permanently marred by Fate and UBW having godawful and meh adaptations respectively. It's shocking how many people still fail to understand that the three routes are not three separate stories, but rather a single one that's meant to be read linearly and heavily relies on comparison with and knowledge from previous routes.

How old is Reines?

read fate/stay night first since it seems like you have an actual attention span.
also play melty

Little girls are the most interested in sex

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Why does he need to read FSN if Case Files takes place before it? There is no logic in reading it to better understand Case files. He only needs to watch Zero.

>And where he spent a huge chunk of his free time just smoking, drinking, swearing while playing video games in his room?
Sounds like he's living the life to be desu.

It is kind of refreshing. Kind of a downer, but still very refreshing. Especially considering it doesn't stop him from getting shit done.

Will we see more DUDE in this series?

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Add a very Kara no Kyoukai kind of main antagonist.

Because Zero spoils many plot twists of Stay Night?

I have Reatla Nua and Acress Again Current Code already downloaded, but like I said in another post, I've never found time to read/play them. Realta Nua in particular has been sitting on my hard drive since 2014.

Yeah he still has the whole killer/revealer of magecraft and best professor ever in the history of the Clock Tower thing. He is a bad mage but he is a superb detective and lecturer.

This season's main arc involves him heavily, at least from what I've heard. It's a shame too, funnily enough, since it will give a very strong first impression that this spinoff is just more of the same servantshit.

I'm banking on the anime original episodes to stay the fuck away from anything Holy Grail War to diminish the blow.

Can someone give me a quick rundown on this show?

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>10 times more powerful than weed

fucking stoners

The best example of this has to be Saber in Fate route and UBW. The entire thing with Archer wanting to erase his past self is a parallel to Saber wanting to wish to prevent herself from pulling the sword (effectively erasing her past self) which culminates with witnessing Shirou exemplify the earnest ideal that she herself had in the past. It's a better explanation for how Shirou mends Saber's heart than happens in Fate itself.

More like involves someone heavily related to him.

Iskandar only kind of shows up directly at the very end of the last novel.

>Especially considering it doesn't stop him from getting shit done.
Exactly. You can see that to solve problems you don't need to be an overpowered hero.
>and best professor ever in the history of the Clock Tower thing
That's because he is a good and intelligent person, not because of some super powers.

Waver solving magic mystery in Bongland with his cute sidekick with guest character from other Nasuverse show/game.

I haven't watched that other episode that came out months ago, should I watch that first?

But if he's not interested in Fate why would he care?

Who? user spoil me.

Waver solving a chain of magical mysteries that have something else going on behind the scenes.

No, actually better watch it after the first one.

Doujins of Waver and Melvin getting milked for mana-filled semen in an Iraqi sex dungeon when?

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So... he only needs to read Zero?

While I did really like this episode, was anybody else kind of bothered by Waver just straight up massacring everybody at that dig site? Like, most of those people were probably just random poorfags trying to buy food for their family. I guess that could be intentional, but nothing else in the episode, or Zero for that matter, seems to indicate the guy has a ruthless streak.

Iskandar's body double, who is a ripped woman and Hestaphion's sister, shows up something something trying to summon Iskandar as a divine spirit because... I don't know, I only know the plot by osmosis from shitposting in /fgog/.

Does Gray age

Came here expecting unbridled sexual lust towards Reines, did not walk away disappointed.

She was honestly my favorite part of the episode though. It's pretty refreshing to have a anime mean girl that's actually just straight up evil.

>Gray becoming assertive now that she's in Waver's strike zone
Oh baby.

It's not that Waver had Amy more measures to deal with Barzan. And I guess that not all of them dies, some probably fled.

Since this pic is FGO, I don't know if it is Raines taking the piss on young Waver or Sima Yi taking the piss of Zhuge Liang.

True. Still, I did kind of feel bad for the people trying to shoot the ghosts.

Thanks. Didn't know he had a sister.

He had no other way of escaping and they would have been doomed anyway. It's a shame but it was his life and his friend's.
Besides, Waver embarked into the Grail War knowing fully he would have to kill to get the Grail. He's not really that much of an innocent boy.

It bothered me too. Not only the fact they killed everyone there, but also total lack of any remorse. They just laughed at it.

>actually just straight up evil.
Is she really?

>who is a ripped woman
This series just keeps getting better

It's more of a magical double. She was the one who acted as a double in the case Iskandar or Hephaestion were targeted by curses or spells. It's also the whole famous anecdote of "Hephaestion is also Alexander".

Its not like he killed any humans.

Yes, she enjoys suffering. She isn't crazy like Gilles or whatever though.

Should I watch it? Is it good?

She's a magus, they're all retarded

The first episode was pretty decent yeah.

>wanted Sima Yi in FGO for the longest time
>got him in the form of a loli ojou-sama voiced by Inori Minase
better than expected

So will he show up or not? How many episodes are planned?

That's actually true.

One of the best parts of this spinoff is that it's a perfect segway between Zero/Stay Night and Strange Fake.

Like seriously, I'm rooting for Flatt and Jackzerker all the way in, nerf and all, and consider them the main characters. Richard and Ayaka are fun enough but I want team El Melloi to bring it home, it's kinda what happens when you've been with the characters across multiple shows.

Yes, but Reines also wants to fuck Gray

Only the mages from artistocratic faction are dysfunctional about the modern world to the point of retardness.

If he's not interested why is he caring?

He's not a innocent boy, that I understand. But at least the HGW masters know what they are getting into. They weren't just random bystanders being manipulated by the mage equivalent of a college dropout.

>Not only the fact they killed everyone there, but also total lack of any remorse. They just laughed at it.
Honestly, I think this probably bothered me more than the people dying.

I don't know if you are being serious, or just racist.

Don't be a smartass. Zero has two distinct sequels and can be viewed as a prequel for either without caring about the other.

Waver always becomes El-Melloi II regardless of timeline. Guess Alaya really likes him.

I want Reines to step on me!

Nasuverse Professor Layton and his cadre of loli sidekicks.

>I don't know if you are being serious, or just racist.
He is just being edgy, don't take the bait.

Reines is from aristocratic faction and she's fine with technology.

I WANT to STEP on Waver.

That's just Rin being retarded.

youtube.com/watch?v=csBZLd66Bow
Based, speed wheels.

I mean, she isn't evil in the way Angra Mainyu is evil. Going by FGO, her alignment seems to be true neutral. But she is still your typical sociopathic mage, expect also a massive sadist.

In the sense that it kills you, but it's not from blood flow reversal and doesn't take three hours, more like 10-12

Waver is the only person in the Clocktower who seems to be worried about smartphones and the internet killing Mystery

>kayeth chilbd

Has Nasu written anything about that? The modern internet and all the shit it's brought with it must affect Japan as much as it does here.

We have people like Rocco asking what kind of magical formula an "internet" is.

And let's not forget Tokiomi's magical fax that Kotomine points using a phone would be faster and more efficient.

I'm honestly kind of torn. On the one hand, I think it's pretty clever considering Waver is Zhuge Liang and Sima Yi is usually ruthless as fuck in fiction. On the other hand, I want more Three Kingdom servants that are actually Three Kingdoms people. At the moment all we have is Lu Bu, who isn't even that good.

Why is Reines so sexy?

I'm disappointed we never got Guan Yu in the chinese lostbelt despite getting his (and Lu Bu's) horse.

she has achieved maximum smug

Because we finally live in a society where strong domineering woman are socially acceptable. And the sexual frustration submissive men felt for generations is finally bearing fruit.

Same. I mean, I would rather have somebody else like Sun Quan, Cao Cao, or even Dian Wei first. But a Guan Yu servant would still be pretty cool. Especially if they actually acknowledge the fact that the historical version was kind of a massive twat.

I'm disappointed we got a Chinese LB at all but at least seeing you fuckers whine is fun.

Given how Fate works I would not be surprised you can summon the Romance version and the Record version.

Yes there are retards. But plenty of magi use modern tech.

Is a plot point in Strage Fake.
>Waver loses his shit when he finds out the U.S. news caught Saber saying sorry for destroying some buildings.
>While trying to wanr everyone else in the Clock Tower about the "Social Network", someone thinks that is a new magecraft Waver discovered.
>Dumas manages to discover info about Shirou in the Internet and wanted to hire him to kill Gilgamesh.

Only place it's talked about (that I've seen) is Strange Fake

Absolutely not. Tons of magi understand that world is changing and magic won't stay hidden for long.

>149cm・42kg

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Whoever at Troyca had the idea to give Gray thin, prominent lips deserves a raise.

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Well that's true. The Animusphere are artistocratic and they made a whole organization that uses a mix of science and magecraft.

On the other hand you also have people like Sola and Bram's dad who makes Zouken look like a modern grandpa.

Voiced by Inori Minase

Probably. I'm pretty sure Waver even says something along the lines of "The historical Zhuge Liang was kind of a jerk" at one point in FGO.

My first thought when she came out in FGO was that she's a boy, but the anime did a great job at making her look more feminin.

Who needs technology when you have fucking worms?

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Don't badmouth Ruffles. He has the best mage name after Atomic Gatorade and Buzzcola Accordion.

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In the case of Sola's dad, it's more of a who needs technology when you have magical rings, ghosts and zombies.

>Wouldn't even make it to my chest.
It really sucks to be a european giant.

Makes sense to me. I would rather have zombies and ghosts than a smartphone.

Animuspheres are unique among the Magic Association because they have ties to the Atlas Institute. Atlas institute doesn't give a shit and will use tons of modern tech, but the Magic Association generally avoids it, because remaining old-fashioned helps maintain the Mystery of magic. Everyone hates mages like Waver, whose goal is to make magic more modern and easier to understand because he is literally destroying the foundation that magic is built on by doing so. Luvia freaks the fuck out at him when he starts trying to explain how certain magics work as if it were science.

MagiTech is the future. Look at Da Vinci. Or T-M series happening in the future.

In FGO magic already seems to be in the open.

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this seems hilarious, are the LNs still translated? Manga seems dropped.

It kind of depends. Then you also have Inorai who is a Democratic Lord and uses a iPad. The democratic faction doesn't seem to care about it that much, they are more about practical applications.

>In FGO magic already seems to be in the open.
Is kinda hard to when the normies realize everyone somehow "slept" during 14 months for some reason and the best they know is that the local conspirator claims everything went a little crispy.

Why not both, like Gil and his golden tablet

Is loliVinci the most beautiful loli in Fate? Because she sure seems so.

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I guess. Magictech is the coolest magic and the coolest tech after all.

*shota.

Waver is kinda like Crowley and other s.XX magicians

One of the main currents he teaches in the faculty is literally Chaos Magic, though Flatt had to be an autismo as usual and spread the cringy "Strange Magic" name for it.

Modern Magecraft as a whole is based in the 19th and 20th century magical theories.

also angry, she said she was his fan, most probably was irritated by the possibility she had arrived too late to claim his cherry.

>Chaos Magic
we Liber Null now

Too skinny, just a bit of lovehandles would make her perfect to manhandle

>Chaos magic in Nasuverse is described as just grabbing what looks cool from all types of traditional magic and mashing it together while removing the downsides of each one.
>Traditional magi rightfully disregard this school of though because it's stupidly complicated to "code" that mangled mess and make actual spells out of it, let alone useful ones.
>Flatt totally gets the hang of it and starts doing sommersaults around the rest of the magic club while roleplaying as a 1337 h4ck3r all the way.

As his nickname shows, he literally doesn't have a heart inside his chest but a fissure that connects to a different space akin to a Imaginary Number Space. By using the incantation "Turn around, my heart" (「裏返れ、僕の心臓」, Uragaere, boku no shinzō?) he can perform instantaneous spatial movement with the side effect of a pain similar to having his heart torn apart. He also has a pair of Mystic Eyes, originally with the ability to find things, later turned into the "Mystic Eyes of Usurpation" (簒奪の魔眼, Sandatsu no Magan?) that can usurp at will the vision of any eyes, regardless if it's from a human or a Divine Spirit.

That's actually a fun powerset for an antagonist.

What kind of cute interactions between Waver and Gray can I expect? Her washing his face while he was passed out was cute.

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It might just be because of the hood, but she really doesn't look that much like Saber.

She brushes his hair every morning.

Reminder that Waver forever will be a third-rate magus.

Third rate mage, first rate human.

Plus, his kids are going to be incredible.

Reminder that Modern """"Magecraft"""" is not an actual faculty and any mouthbreather enlisted there isn't a real magus.

>his kids
He only wants his king though

Why does Aniplex keep translating "mystery" as "Mystics"?

Yes. But regardless of his desires, somebody is going to claim his seed eventually. With love potions, if necessary.

Because Aniplex. It's probably the same people behind FGO's translation doing this.

I thought the magic crest was just a record of the knowledge accumulated by your family, and you could use magic just by passing prana through the crest. I legit don't remember anything about it containing circuits itself.

Why would anyone be interested in such a weakling that doesn' have even 6 generations of magi?

Because, despite being a weakling, he can still keep up with mages far above him.

Not even into Saberface, but Gray's a total qt.

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Does she have a ahoge?

That scene with she closing the door was too much cute for me.

>he's a mage in the mage's association
Never gonna make it buddy.

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Yes.

No he can't

Is it ever explained why most mages are fucking insane or massive sociopaths? Is it Solomon's fault?

The artstyle not being based on Takeuchi's art helps too.

>this post was made by the Atlas gang

I mean, he's still alive despite having a job that puts him on par with people that are WAY better at magecraft. Even Reines describes it as a miracle.

Definitely, 5head and lewd personality from her adult self are godlike. That henrybird doujin is top tier
>chubby domineering loli
MUH

Will we get Waver remembering Kayneth's teachings flashbacks? The idea of a mentor disliked by the apprentice sounds interesting.

It's kind of easy to get though. The need to follow a path bigger than themselves make human emotions a burden, they can't think only about their own goals but also about the legacy they have to give to their descendants. It's a very self diminishing way of life, so morals can be end up thrown aside for that bigger goal.

And there is also the fact they are still human and they are prone to human failings, that's why the cutthroat politics of the Clock Tower exist.

As Touko explains in Paradox Spiral, magi are ultimately a walking paradox. They strive for inhumanity for the sake of their path but also still remain too human for it.

So is Waver part Of Alexander’s noble Phantasm or is it the case some random Chinese guy looks like waver

I guess. It just seems kind of stupid to me to spend your entire life trying to desperately reach a unreachable goal when you could just, you know, be a fucking wizard and have fun. But then again, I don't give a fuck about any legacy whatsoever and can only derive satisfaction from my own accomplishments. So, I might be biased.

So is this anime any good or is it just tranny bait like Fate/Apocrypha was?

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GILGAMESH WAS FROM URUK NOT BABYLON

DROPPED

well memed

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I dunno about the crest being extra circuits themselves, but the most essential definition of a crest, at least from Case Files' explanation of it, is that it's "Fixated Mystery"

The most essential aspect of a crest is that grabs a piece of mystery and solidly anchors it to the magus, essentially giving him or her an elevated "base level" of mystery (AKA mystery-o-meter powerup), which translates into allowing for the easier and more potent activation of spells. For this reason, all crests have a part of a phantasmal species as a core.

The "growth" of a magic crest is the process of "writing" all your life's research into the "harddrive", allowing your successors to immediatly make use of your life's work without actually spending decades redoing the research, all in a convenient package that boosts casting speed and potency. I suppose an SSD is the best comparison.

How branch crest maintain mystery I'm not sure. It's unlikely that the original crest will let go of the phantasmal species' core, so I can only assume that the crest as a whole gets imbued with mystery over time so you're good to go with only a piece. Please correct me if I'm wrong you fucking nerds.

It weirded me out, I also was under the impression Alexander died in India, in the middle of campaigning.

Well thay's why Spellcasters are a thing. They are exactly what you are saying.

Fate/Apocrypha was tranny bait? I just thought it was a giant ad for servants in FGO.

Australians survive being upsidedown their entire life by constantly drinking so much alcohol that their blood become thin enough to flow backwards.

This comes at the cost of leaving all of their brains in a state of permanent oxygen deprivation though.

Babylon was a city very close to Uruk and as far we know, Fate Gilgamesh could have been the one to create the foundation for it too, as he ruled the entire territory. Also FGO also talk about this whole technically not Babylon but Uruk.

Achilles was cool

>It weirded me out, I also was under the impression Alexander died in India, in the middle of campaigning.

His men made him turn back, since they were kind of getting sick of tired of going to the ends of the earth to conquer things.

Most servants were great
the problem was cardboard-kun, la dragondick pucelle, and trapbait

I guess. I still wonder how most mages convince their children to keep following their path. My only guess is vicious beatings during puberty.

Was Jeanne really that bad?

Just about every main character was everyone wanted more Mordred and her master.

Loved Vlad.

It was kind of a letdown that NIght of Wallachia never actually happened here, it would have the whole thing deliciously more fucked up

Wait, new FSF is out? Holy shit. Finally more non-shit fate.

I guess. I might be kind of biased because my first introduction to Jeanne was FGO, and I really liked her in that game. But so far, I've been pretty fond of her.

I do agree that more Mordred and Kairi would have been welcome. Especially considering they pretty much start off as the main characters.

I think that's from the previous volumes, when Richard made his speech after being arrested. As far as I'm aware of we're still at 4 volumes.

It's 75% mystery and magic, 25% waifubait like anything Fate.

I would wager about 2 people ITT actually read the original VN.

The original light novel was shit too but the anime changed shit for the worse.

When Shakespeare broke Jeanne he just showed her Gilles holding Siegs head. In the LN Shakespeare showed Jeanne all the things Gilles did after she was burned all the murder and rape that happened in his castle the mere sight made he break down at how a holy man like Gilles would do such acts.

From what I remember Apocrypha was originally where Jeanne shows up and it was gonna be a game. It’s why Jeanne shows up in Zero since they had concept art at the time only Apocryphas game was canceled then made into an LN.

So this is some mage detective stuff? Sounds interesting. Finally something different from these constant Pokemon battles.

this is going to be than Last Encore right?

*better than

I fail to see how it could be worse.

Mahou Tantei Waver-kun, solving magic crimes and mysteries with Gray as his Watson.

Last Encore is arguably even worse than FGO, so yes.

>Urobuchi memes
It spawned a very Yea Forums appropriate meme too.

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Yes and he's also surrounded by some of the primest pussy in the setting.

the clock tower gives no shits about waver, but in this case, after humanity came back, waver came back too, but since people don't have memories of becoming pseudoservants , currently 2 waver exist at the same time (at least during 1.5) El melloy II and Zung Liang. the same goes for all others

Can any human rival servant pussy though?

I want Reines to sexually harass me

Damn, you're already more informed than most Fate fans these days.

It was before the fucking fappening and 2016 election so it was before everything became so political and it was no longer acceptable to have "fun" memes instead of just shitposting hidden behind seven layers of irony (any fewer layers than that is, obviously, a plebbit invasion)

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You sound like an FGO secondary.

Yes.

FGOers are primaries nowadays.

Yeah leaving someone upside down for long enough will kill them from all the blood accumulating in their head.

I want Reines to blackmail me into becoming her sex toy.

I truly hate this fact. I actually stopped coming to Fate threads because they enrage me. Think I'll go now.

>when he starts trying to explain how certain magics work as if it were science.
>that scene where he just casually figured out Luvia family's magic
It's kinda hilarious that Waver is acting as a better Sherlock than Fate's own Sherlock (who fucking jobbed to Moriarty when they weren't even fighting in a freaking waterfall).

Anyone who has not read FSN is a secondary.

Does being attracted to servants make you a secondary?

What is the secret to being able to stomach that awful writing?

No.

I think the writing is fine.

Many fatefags actually think this. While fapping to Sakura or Rin for several years.

These were actually kinda funny.

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That's because you don't read many real books.

I'd be happy if she'd just step on my face, really.

I was in a book club for several years, have read over 40 books in the last 5 months and am reading a textbook right now - for no reason other than self-improvement. My Calibre library is over 500 gb in size.

Then I think your taste is bad. I can't stand Stay Night prose.

It's mediocre at worst.

Also I was in that book club for 11 years I just realized.

>>What does that even mean
it means a time when there were more memes than just the latest wojack edit.

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It's nice getting an established character as the protagonist and he isn't some super special dude.

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Congratulations.

I've reserved tomorrow solely for reading the Divine Comedy.

Tis pic is biased, it ignores the barrels of wine bravely defeated by Rider.

If you want to know why things get worse in this way, Google and read 'Meditations on Moloch' - it's an article. It's probably one of the best and most important articles ever written.

Same goes for everyone ITT - if you can muster up the attention span.

/alter/ still has memes, it's just a shame that they're all shitty because they actually make discussion harder instead of adding flavor to it.

I wouldn't mind more Rin and Shirou. If it does have Rin and Shirou then that means it's a sequel to the UBW timeline. I do wonder what happens to Shinji though? He has newly awakened magic circuits but isn't really protected by the Association, anyone could literally kidnap him and use him for material.

>>Dumas manages to discover info about Shirou in the Internet and wanted to hire him to kill Gilgamesh.
That's fucking stupid and I love it.

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Isn't being a mage in the Nasuverse the basic epitome of suffering in the first place.

>Alexander
That's a yikes from me.

The first problem is that he is an atheistic humanist. Meaning that if you don't agree his presuppositions, anything he concludes is wrong by default. His second problem is "muh technology" which will somehow make transhumanism real and technocracy fix everything. For someone so sober when examining data, it's like suddenly a high schooler started writing.

Codex is at its best when unloading lots of data so I don't have to look it up. He is at his worst when actually stating opinions. But he writes very well. Also lol at mentioning gnon, very vintage. Glad nrx is gone.

>/alter/
>memes
Liz love is only one and it's not even good