One Piece

I like it

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Yeah lets wait 20 years till luffy is ready for the yonkos good idea retard

Carrot is the only attractive female in the Straw Hat crew

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BASED

What the fuck is Oda doing with Wano? It's so fucking BAD.
Holy shit guys, I miss Alabasta or Skypeia so goddamn much. Has Oda lost his touch?

Fuck Oda, fuck One Piece, and fuck Wano. I hope Sanjjs VA is fucking Oda's wife while he slaves away on his little pirate fantasy.

I agree but Skypeia was shit as well

The powerlevel fags are killing themselves in ritual ceremonies!

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I've honestly stopped reading, for me ever since the time skip the manga only peaks when it's world-building between arcs and we get to see what other characters have been up to.
I just don't feel thrilled by Luffy and co.'s adventures as it used to be back in the days, I feel like Oda has delayed way too much exposure to other characters, and his way of not showing big conflicts and just glossing over them like (Akainu vs Aokiji, Marco vs Blackbeard, Blackbeard clashing with the revolutionary army ..) feels like a cheap cope, as if Oda is scared of developing the world he created himself.

>Oda made Luffy progress too quickly
I think Luffy's progress is completely fine. If Kaido and Big Mom gets taken down in Wano, I would be fine with it.

Zorojuro

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Luffy surpassed Ace during the timeskip. Ace was Snack tier at best.

BROS ITS ABOUT TO GET 50 TIMES FUNNIER HAHAHAHA WANO ALREADY PEAKED
>...
WHY DIDNT I GET THIS EPIC XD MEMESHIT OVER WITH IN THAT SANJI ARC? SRY BRO DIDNT FEEL LIKE IT LOL

Zoro got robbed. Goddamnit Oda.

Ace was equal to Jinbe.

Or maybe, just MAYBE, you don't feel same about OP because you literally grow up old.
Though one thing could be said that OP no longer focus on main Co, which was the peak of OP story, but aside form that, OP is the same, I personally don't really care about the world, it's just whatever random shit Oda come up with, who gives a shit about that, major joy comes from the characters, since it's the only thing that is consistent instead of incoherent world in which hightech exist along with muskets.

This. It took so long in the manga for Luffy to learn Gears 2 and 3, and then took an enormous time skip to develop the basics of haki. We're told that Katakuri, a 48 year old first Yonko commander, trained his CoO so much that he could see into the future, and that's always framed to be what makes him so intimidating. Luffy basically gets it down in a single fight. Luffy will learn the advanced CoA within this one arc and somehow be able to badly damage or defeat a Yonko, in the near future, too. It definitely feels like Luffy is on the fast track, now.

It wouldn't be bad that we get these developments faster than before, but we're getting them too fast and the pacing of the manga feels rushed. The threats of Yonko and their commanders feel much more underwhelming now then they ever did before, and there's less hype around Luffy's next big face off. Don't be an apologist, this manga has its faults too.

>GOOFY FACE TIME YAY
about to drop this shit show of a series

Jinbe is Snack tier, except he would beat Cracker due to match up.

It's about the pacing, not the time.
Oda could've made it believable that luffy actually progressed enough to defeat them without it feeling rushed, but when you get the crew doing fuck all for most arcs, and then suddenly Luffy becomes Yonko tier in a single arc, the pacing does feel out of place.
I genuinely believe that if Oda doesn't go down the way of having Luffy being the strongest Pirate be a requisite for him becoming the Pirate king, it would make a better closure for the story than just rushing him into Shanks level in his current age

>butt of all jokes but gets a serious kino arc focused on him
>absolute chad but everything oda writes with him is a joke
Which one?

Odsa is a genuine pieceof shit a detached old man who has no idea what his fanbase wants and thinks all this retarded goofy shit is good.

i like sanji

>HONK HONK ITS ABOUT TO GET 50 TIMES FUNNIER
>btw we reached the peak already :)
wano was a mistake
elbaf will be better

>elbaf was a mistake
>raftel will be better
>but it was a mistake
>oh fuck we ran out of story
>space won't be a mistake

Different user, but that's arbitrary. Whereas you like characters more than the world, I personally enjoy the world more than the Straw Hats themselves. The crew and their adventures, while fun, are just so formulaic that it's not as interesting to watch them. Whenever we get small tidbits of world building, like the Reverie arc, I'm much more engaged. There's no consensus that says characters are always what people find the MOST appealing.

The last time I said that I was called edgelord.
But yeah, the tone of Wano is just out of place, what is supposed a place full of broken people with no hope, instead is usual le goofy wacky luffy beating all the villains exept Kaido, when the last time there was any tension in OP?

This translation is more accurate.

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KIKUNOJO DOUJINS BY NAGI ICHI SOON BROS

can't wait for two piece
space pirates lets go

Characters are the core of the story, we get to see things through their perspective, and the story moves along with them as well.
It doesn't matter if you enjoy world or some other secondary things, characters will always be most important aspect, at least in this kind of stuff, when focused on characters, it felt more lively and had more impact, now it feels like bunch of rpg squad with no personal involvement doing things because plot/oda demands it, he might as well just switch focus to other chars since their story arcs aren't finished yet

bruh... look at this dude..... uhju uhju wait till you see the ph- uhhujuJUJUJUUU NO NO NO NO ohhhHOHOo ohh uhhuhhuhh EATJAHWQUIEHQWIUOHHHHHHAHAHAHAHA AAA LOOK AT THE TOP OF HIS HEAD HEEEEEEEE HAHAHAHAAA LOOK AT HIS LIPS HASJHJDHWRUI

i'm sorry i gotta do dis to you...

y'all know what he looks like

hhHAAAAAH hhHHHHAHAHAGSJKDDHHHKD

DhHAHAHAHHA

hUHuH loord forgive me he look like kermit the frog hhHHhHHAHAHhhh AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHnsHE LOOK LIKE A DUCK hEHEHAHHAHHAHA

UUUHHHhH he look like the uh,, JABBA THE HUT hHHAAAHHHHHHH *LOUD WHEEZE* HAHAHAAHH AHHHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHH AHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEHHH

HE LOOK LIKE GRIMACE AAAHHHAHAHHAHAHHH

bOOOI YO FOREHEAD LOOK LIKE A STACK OF BUCKWHEAT PANCAKES hHAAHHAAAAAAAAAHHahahH

HAHAHHAHHAHH ooOOH HHAHAHH,, you look like a jumba from Mario and Luigi Movie hhHAHAHAHHHHH bOOI YA head look like an african hut hhhHHHAHHAHHAHH,,

bowlinbHAH LOOK AT THE SHINEHSJLKHHHAHAH\

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carrot isn't joining now cope

>Hunterchads were right

Too late, people won't consider reading this version. They're too into shitposting mode to care now.

and you think shitposters will care?

'stache or clean shaven?

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Shitposting about what?

'stache, good god

Real translation

Damage control translation

If jack survived a hit from zunisha how the fuck can you kill him ? There's no strawhat who could lend a hit stronger than the trump hit

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>the elephant is mad because Babanuki is crossing his arms over him
Never noticed that before. 'stache by the way.

>a place full of broken people with no hope
Smile fruits, user. They literally can't show how broken they are.

>le goofy wacky luffy beating all the villains exept Kaido, when the last time there was any tension in OP?
Yeah I feel you there. Same with WCI, it was too goofy for the urgency it was treated with. At least Luffy in Impel Down almost died to Magellan, couldn't save Bon-chan, faced off against plenty of people he couldn't beat in Marineford, ultimately failed to save Ace, fainted out of despair, and had a mini-arc revolving around his failure and almost wanting to quit being Pirate King. If anything, it really translated that Luffy pushed himself too far and felt fatigued for once, like the challenge was too great. Post time skip, Luffy might take a beating and bleed, but I have no doubt that he'll be up and smiling within the next chapter.

>now it feels like bunch of rpg squad with no personal involvement doing things because plot/oda demands it
I'm not with disagreeing that, I'm just saying that if the original user may have personally liked world building the most, and feels disappointed that it's being glossed over. He's not wrong for it or that he just "doesn't feel same about OP because he literally grew up", that's all. Off course characters are usually the core of the story and push the plot along, but that primary attribute isn't always why people really get invested. Average characters in an engaging world or engaging characters in an average world both have their pros and cons and appeal to different types of people.

you dont have to kill someone to defeat them, delusional jackfag

>peak
Eh? This is the peak? Man what a terrible place to really amp things up.

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I feel like I want Kiku to peak inside me.

Babanuki's pretty based, honestly. Too bad he's about to job.

Jack>Katakuri/Queen

best animal kingdom pirates

>"hey bab, any advice for taming your crotch animal?"

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I hope that means Luffy gets his sword back. I really liked samurai luffy.

What do you not like about Wano?

Thinking about it, there's no way a weapon can eat something, either. What a shit manga.

She's huge, user. You won't manage.

28 years old character

> Boa Marigold
> Charlotte edges
> Charlotte Katou
> Charlotte Montb
> Doc Q
> Full Body
> Jack
> Penguin
> Sai
> Wanda
> Wanze
> Wala

claystage.com/one-piece/characters/ages

Why would anyone be angry at this

This is cringe

4 hours left

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Why does not Big mom have any older grandchildren?
Perospero is 50 ..
Compote should have adult children

*4 hours and 17 minutes

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Pez

Jack

I know, I know... I posted it for the people that really care about the series.

This seems to make more sense but how fluent is Artur really?

Linlin is is idiot, and only realized her daughters were becoming cakes until after the fact.

personally i’m fucking loving wano. it really feels like oda has learned how to write these huge scale arcs since dressrosa, while also injecting it with the creativity and unpredictability of WCI. we haven’t even reached the part where shit hits the fan yet i’m really enjoying almost every chapter.
fuck shitposters and fuck doomposters

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Jinbe would beat up most Yonko commanders, that's why Oda always has him absent. He smacked Big Mom right off the deck of the Sunny.

Luffy

>people are surprised that Kawamatsu, a short wide silhouette who is named after a notoriously ugly mythical creature and was shown dancing and playing with Hiyori as a child, doesn't have a "badass" character design

Why are OP fans always mouth breathers

>Biscuit and her sis are 31
>They turned into cakes around the timeskip
I-I would marry and give them kids.

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Jinbefags are no different from Doffyfags
>Muh YC level !

Who are you quoting?

I would like to volunteer myself to breed with Charlottes

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I don't know. I'm pretty sure it's all shitposting. They've been exposed to wacky looking characters since virtually the beginning but now they have a problem with it? I don't buy it.

The problem isn't the goofy design, you absolute retard. It's the fact that Oda felt like he needed to silhouette it for 6+ months.

So you know this or are you talking out your ass

I like how Crocodile's attacks look in the manga

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>Because its goofy
It is? I guess him not being an ugly sewage system creature means he is goofy but I expected more. He's the typical cute one I've seen more and more these days, and with him being "hidden" as a silhouette for so god damn long its pretty underwhelming.

No, these people are actually that genuinely retarded

Biscuit?

I can not believe that Compote is Luffy's mother

>Crocodile's sand was the final red poneglyph this whole time

WTF SHANKSBROS

Just a nickname given to Galette.

biscuit

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>t. momfag
Jinbe could probably beat Katakuri

>YOU DON'T GET IT!!!! HE'S SUPPOSED TO BE GOOFY!!!
What the fuck kind of series do you think I'm reading you mongoloids.
I like Pre-TS Chopper.
I like Bon Clay.
I fucking loved everything about Kaku.
Goofy is fine, as long as it doesn't look like a bag of garbage.

I think it was to keep whatever race he is a mystery.

A complaint I sometimes see is that the New World is only supposed to have gritty characters

Jinbe lost to rookie Ace

Kawamatsu doesn't even look that goofy.

You mean to tell me this isn't Cracker's daughter?

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Ace could probably beat Kata too. Both of them have a very good matchup against his DF.

then stop reading

Yeah I was expecting a lot worse. I was expecting a Raizo level monstrosity. He’s just a big ol kawaii frog man. I like it

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....why? she's the minister of butter

Rent free

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No.
And I'll keep complaining whenever I see something I dislike too, how about that?

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>the DF decides the fight
ohhnonoonononononoo there's no way

Why not spend that time consuming media that you do enjoy?

Please don't do that...

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How is this design a bag of garbage?

biscuit
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galette

Rematch when?

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>an absolute shitter like Mr 3 could do better against Magellan than fucking Blackbeard solely because of DF matchup

Yes, that's exactly how it works.

Can't, Black Beard and then Weevil dabbed on him so hard he's hiding in shame.

based

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Poor Mihawk.

yeah honestly I think he looks plenty badass. It'll be more goofy in green for sure, but in b/w I don't think it's that goofy.

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I do enjoy One Piece. Why would I read something I don't like?
Wait... Are you one of those people who think you cannot enjoy something and criticize at the same time? Do you seriously just consume media like they're products without thinking about the parts you like and dislike?

I don't care about the argument but Blackbeard did not fight against Magellan, he greeted him like a retard and got poisoned

He apparently did wound him on the way out though

Never on screen. Wouldn't add much to the story.

>he thinks that's ACTUALLY how it works
>type matchups THIS late into the series
OH NONONONONO DUDE ODA HAS SAID A BILLION TIMES AND SHOWED SO MANY TIMES ITS ABOUT BEING A GOOD FIGHTER AND USING YOYUR FUIRIT RIGHT HONONOONNONOONONONONO ZEHJAHHAHAHA

boy if Oda doesn't give us a Chopper fight next chapter

So Kawamatsu is presumably an actual Kappa, but what powers would a Kappa fruit give? Pulling people's souls out of their ass?

You're retarded.

>DF matchup
Ace would still probably dab on Kata though

But you wouldn't DARE post what you like, no, because then you might have to actually defend your points instead of shitposting for attention.

He's a fishman

I'm getting sick of these samurai turds taking so much away from the main characters.

Since he's based on a Kappa, I expect Oda to do something really crazy with the top of his head.

Depending on the Situation. If Jinbe's on land, then no. If Kata is at sea, than yeah.
I don't think Ace could beat Katakuri. Doesn't matter how much fire Ace can produce, being able to see the future and awakening would definitely be good defense and be able to land blows against him
Enel?

Let's be real now.
Does anyone genuinly like the piece of shit that Raizo is?
Would anyone really care if he outright didn't appear for the rest of the arc?
Come on.

Katakuri > Doflamingo > Whitebeard commanders

Armament is so fucking broken that devil fruits don't matter anymore.You would be better off with a tiger or lion Zoan instead of a fucking Logia in New World.

>Ace is actually stronger than Marco

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No you

Wake me up when the episode drops.

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You can definitely like things and criticize them, but I feel like 80% of the “criticism” are things that have been in the series since day one
>Luffy’s incredible growth/stamina
>convinces that move the plot along
>goofy characters/situations
It’s obvious that if you don’t enjoy, or even just tolerate these things you have no reason to be reading One Piece

>Tfw Wano is so uneducated they don't even know what a Fishman is

Oden might've been on to something.

Reminder, Law damages Doflamingo to 60%
Luffy defeated Doflamingo with 40%
Doflamingo> Cracker

>The ability to completely dodge ANY attack is not worth it in the New World
Holy cope Zoanlet. Bet you're a sad SMILE user aren't you.

>I am a woman at heart

KYOSHIRO HAS LIME GREEN HAIR

Who are you quoting?

*removes ur haki*

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Yeah but your complaints are repetitive and pointless. There are a million grimdark manga out there, this one if intentionally goofy and still has more heart and emotion than any other. Coming to a fan thread and bitching about shit that is core One Piece just makes you look desperate for attention.

I don't, I hate his design. I find it hilarious how now he's trying to be serious.

t.fukurokuju

Just various people I see on fourms and twitter and the like

Raizo looks fucking retarded but he's kinda funny. Don't see how he'll be very useful when it comes time to take on Kaido though.

Dr Stone dabs on this shonenshit, hahaha

>be legendary sabre-tooth tiger zoan
>get killed by a stray bullet when getting drunk at a port town
yeah no, I'll take 90% of the cast being unable to even touch you in a dangerous world like this

bab is def going to luffy, kiku is probably gonna fight solitaire and kawamatsu will take on daifugo

To dodge a haki attack is through guess what, observation haki.At that point you can also move a bit to left or right and also dodge.Armament broke the fucking series just because this hack couldn't find any more creative ways to deal with Logias.

>Dodge attacks as a logia
>In the new world, basic haki isn't rare to the point that Don Chinjao considers Conquerors to be too plentiful and all bark/no bite
>In a discussion about general Armament haki, not the rare future sight Observation haki.
cope harder, Caribou

>muh rules of Yea Forums
the command just makes your text green, you autist, nobody cares that you think it should only be used in such and such manner

This is exactly what I’m trying to say! The things people have problems with the most are things that have been at the core of OP for literal decades now. We needed Bleach and Naruto to contain these faggots who are now just reading because there’s nothing else to read

his dad was the pirate kind so probablt

He'll steal Kaido's booze

Remember the gun dog that Miss Merrychristmas and Mr.4 had?Was that ever explained?

I said tiger or lion zoan because of the durability and fighting power they lend you.No way a normal bandit bullet kills you.

Whitebeard's commanders were pretty pathetic desu. Jozu couldn't even break out of Aokiji's ice or Doflamingo's strings. Doflamingo and Crocodile could beat them all if they teamed up

>TOEI ANIMATION STAFF'S WORK IS JUST... TERRIFIC!!

>gets his shit kicked in at thriller bark
>every subsequent appearance has him getting his ass beaten
Why won't Oda just let Moria die in peace? He just exists to suffer.

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An experiment by Vegapunk just like Funkfreed the sword-elephant probably
I'm surprised we haven't seen any New World Marines with anything like that

>Don't see how he'll be very useful when it comes time to take on Kaido though
i mean, he's presented as an old rival to fukurokuju...

Do you think Blackbeard is going to keep Moria alive long enough to watch Devon behead Perona?

Aokiji would no diff' Doflamingo and Crocodile as well.

one of the last mysteries in the series, they said it was vegapunk's secret method of feeding fruits to objects

Oda is so full of shit, I honestly can't believe I still support his manga.

>The blackbeard chapter.
That shit was fucked up.

I used to think this, but after 60-70 chapters or so I just got so fucking board. I don’t know if it’s gotten any better.

>that pause
They're holding a gun against his head aren't they?

Actually, maybe that's why Jack can't use haki. He's perpetually depressed.

Fujitora might actually be exactly that. His powers aren't explained as being his, or his sword's.

Fun attitude.

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Unironically considering dropping this shit right now, if this is seriously the greatest this arc could offer.

Aokiji is strong as fuck, Akainu is the only one who's ever been shown to beat him

durability and fighting power doesn't give you iron skin, that's a feature reserved for, say, big mom
they make it a point to say that bullets and swords won't hurt her, and that's extraordinary
the guy with the rifle on Saobondy tried to kill Kizaru, it's implied it would have worked if not for his logia, not as if training has made him impervious to bullets
hell it's still, to this day, a major defining trait of luffy's fruit

Nine Scabbards

> Kiku - best Swodsman
> Kawamatsu - best Sumo wrestler
> Raizo - best ninja
> Shutenmaru - best bandit

> Kanjuro - best artists?
> Kinemon - best jobber
> Inurashi -?
> Nekomamushi -?
> Denjiro -?

It was a gun that ate the Dog Dog fruit, Model: Dachshund.

The question is if a non-Zoan fruit would actually give an object enough sentience to use the fruit's powers

See you tomorrow

Read the actual translation retard

Banabuki is like mini Jack, The crew wants him to do literally anything for them even if it's mean to fight Luffy Kid and the other prisoners alone after big mom devastated Udon

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imagine trying to dunk on toei's animators when the real problem are obviously the higher-ups of the company who force these absolutely inhumane work conditions

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>how sanji wishes he really looked.jpg

Kiku is best tranny

You're completely retarded if you don't realize the potential of being able to dodge while keeping your stance, or not moving your body.
It's not solely about just dodging, it's about having the upper hand during combat.
Re-read Katakuri vs Luffy again. Whenever Luffy dodged, he had to keep backtracking, Katakuri always on top of him. Whenever Katakuri dodged, the fact that he was able to trap Luffy in his body, or keep his position and stance meant he could go for an instant counter-attack.

It's all really simple I don't understand how people don't get it. The amount of movement possibilities you get from being a Logia is infinite.

I think it was confirmed in a vivre card that he ate the fruit himself

Hey, since I only saw the best scenes of WCI and the last episode twice of the post ts anime I actually agree.

Shutenmaru is way stronger than the other Scabbards

Kin'emon - Best Tactician apparently
Inuarashi - Best Doggo
Nekomamushi - Best Kot
Denjiro - Best left over guy

Easy.

have read the "actual translation", my opinion hasn't changed

Pretty sure Toei just does everything as cheaply as possible, work conditions aside. The absolute bare minimum amount of staff and as much outsourcing as possible.

>scared of Holdem
>best swordsman

>watch Film Z
>Franky Iron General destroys multiple Pacifistas
SUUUUUPERRR

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>WTF THIS IS THE BEST THE ARC HAS TOO OFFER? DROPPED
>Actual translation says Wano Will get better from now on
I'll take you are just illiterate then

>how I wish Sanji really looked.jpg
His always-horny-and-ready-to-serve gag would be way cuter.

ahem

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kiku was actually scared that holdem's lion could have potentially started punching her balls too

Remember when Inu one-shotted Jack?
Yeah, me neither.

Katakuri dodged and kept up with Luffy at the same time because of his observation haki and you're thinking of it as a Logia vs non-fruit user.Tiger, lion or any other strong animal zoan would give you huge physical boosts in fights and if you already have haki, that's what you need.

doesn't mean Shutenmaru's not stronger, Kaido specifically wanted to recruit him

Except we didn't see him beat Aokiji. But if we are to believe the story we've been told the Chadmiral won.

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Neither did Ashura

i was just shitposting don't cry purin please

How strong would Kaku be with Queen's fruit instead?

I love them!!!

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t-those poor animators...

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You guys don't undestand it, Wano was supposed to be the arc where things finally got serious and after 22 years of filler we finally started DARK Piece. Kaido was introduced as a homicidal maniac so disgusted by the world and his life that he is willing to die and take everyone with him, i could relate to him since i was also bullied in school and was pretty anti-social wanting to kill everyone around me. But Oda just couldn't stick with it and made Kaido into a goofy fucking drunk incapable of even killing a single girl.
Luffy was supposed to go all out and awaken gear 5 after had brutally crushed Nami's skull with his club and the Shogun was supposed to be a brutal hitokiri with a cool design like someone from Blade of the immortal so ruthless and strong that he forced Zoro to use the dormant ashura CoA from his eye yet now he is just some weak fodder with a looney tunes design. Fuck this shit and FUCK Oda.

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Will Zoro learn Kappa sword style? Seems more useful than Firefox style.

I'm sorry that you come from a series like Dragon Ball where all that matters is raw power, because you clearly misunderstand how the power dynamics in One Piece function.

Toei did well at adapting WCI aside from the typical slow pace, and Wano is shaping up to look good but for how long will it look pretty for? I wanna have hope but the anime version of Dressrosa made me almost hate the arc.

Based

To be fair to Sanji/Tranji, if she didn’t use that male pronoun or whatever she said, I wouldn’t have even guessed.

The question is, who’s better looking

>Male Nami: Cavendish
>Male Robin: Kiku

HOW DO WE SAVE THEM?

I wish DBZ didn't start long hair faggotry

This pasta is already old user, look for something fresher

The Gorosei actually said that Aokiji is the strongest marine

I'd happily die trying.

>b-b-but Jack
The absolute state.
Ashura was already getting pushed by Jack after a small exchange. Inuarashi and Nekomamushi could stall with him for hours. And more importantly a one-legged Inu can still keep up with Ashura without Sulong.

>this borefest is its peak
You have got to be kidding me.

he's only been in the new world a few weeks lol

Faggot you know Oda fucked up with armament.I am explaining to you why One Piece fights detoriated and became one dimentional and you are calling me a DBfag.Next time resort to your arguments, not your insult gallery.

i wish goofy characters would just fuck off from my battle shounen manga

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If he learns a new technique it will probably have something to do with Ryuuma

>surpassed Ace
No Ace's Dai Enkai is stronger than anything Luffy has done.

>dodge while keeping your stance, or not moving your body.
>It's not solely about just dodging, it's about having the upper hand during combat.
Two things:
1) you very specifically said "dodge any attack" in your original post and mentioned nothing else, so don't expect people to do your mental gymnastics for you
2) You're still wrong. How tf are you dodging an armament attack while keeping your stance as a logia, without using future sight observation Haki? If you're a logia and you get hit by a CoA attack, you will be hit and take damage, that's the entire reason CoA is important in the discussion. The only time you don't lose composure by being hit is if you're Zoro tier at tanking an attack, keeping your stance, and then attacking back. But at that point devil fruits are irrelevant to the discussion, it's only either intense stamina or futuresight CoO

>Re-read Katakuri vs Luffy again. Whenever Luffy dodged, he had to keep backtracking, Katakuri always on top of him. Whenever Katakuri dodged, the fact that he was able to trap Luffy in his body, or keep his position and stance meant he could go for an instant counter-attack.
Hey genius, Katakuri is a paramecia who needs his futuresight Observation haki to dodge anything at all. His upper hand was consistently because of his CoO, not at all because he was a logia, which he isn't. Without future sight, he can't dodge Luffy's attack and then catch him or set up his attacks so well.

I DON'T KNOW, MAYBE WE COULD BAKE THEM A CAKE OR SOMETHING

Only due to Oda's retarded artstyle, every fucker has a giga neck and virtually no sensible human anatomy.

At this point you guys must be doing in on purpose

tic toc Kaido

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Toei is one of the best pacing studios as far as i know, the problem is the directors

Me too

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Logias can shift their bodies around an attack without moving or changing their position, even if it's an armament-enforced attack. Crocodile and the Admirals did it at Marineford.

Wanting a better arc? Yeah, how dare people complain about a boring arc that's already at its "peak"

Ace would die from a single Gear 3 attack, let alone Gear 4.

>How can a Logia dodge a haki attack?
Wow. You really are a retard then.

Yeah, so?

A brain is a serious energy load, another one would kill this guy simply trying to keep it and his own running at the same time, and then theres the fact those brains are basically sharing the same circulatory system which makes things even more fucked up. Goddamit Oda is so fucking stupid.

Scroll down that pic you dumb monkey, or are you dumb enough to believe the first thing you read on the internet?

>applying real-world logic to One Piece

Out of all the things in One Piece you could complain about you chose this

Then shouldn't he be the Fleet Admiral? No, because he didn't win the battle.

>Applying real world logic to the one piece world
And you call Oda stupid?

Elephants also have larger brains so us so it would use up more oxygen than a the human brain above it which would deprive the human brain and basically make the user of this smile mentally retarded all the time.

>>applying real-world logic to One Piece

its almost as if its a fictional story

And Crocodile should die every time his head turns into sand. Oda is a HACK wow

>basically make the user of this smile mentally retarded all the time.
hey man, come on. babanuki is like alone against half of the red scabbards right now

I bet you complain about Sky Islands also you retard.

Logias can ignore biology due to the nature of their powers but zoans are always organic you stupid fuck.

People would rather stick with the official staff translation, no matter how inaccurate it might be.

people also routinely alter their mass, One Piece works off cartoon physics

Okay so magic is fine but biological magic is not fine?

How the fuck is this arc funny?

>peak
I was ok with wano because i though the big stuff has still to happen.

Oda is kinda full of himself at times I hate to admit.

based

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>nuh uh this kind of law breaking physics gets a pass
>NOW this one! Nuh uh sir

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DUDE HAKI CAN DESTROY THINGS FROM THE INSIDE, LOL FUCK GOMU GOMU NO MI ITS ALL ABOUT HAKI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Haki is getting to Nen levels of plot convenience a tthis point.

I thinking it's funny. Maybe you just don't like the humour.

Nen is the best power system though

The discussion is that "dodging" means taking the hit while keeping your stance, that your body morphs around the attack. Without CoO to read the future and accurately dodge CoA like Katakuri did with Luffy, armament attacks still hit the logia. The discussion is, specifically, about Logia's dodging CoA.

The only logia's who "dodged" armament haki attacks by taking the hit, like Admirals at marineford, were the framed to be exceptions for doing so. Marines thought Aokiji got hurt when Whitebeard impaled him, Marco and Vista were surprised that Akainu didn't get hurt when they attacked him after he killed Ace. The implication is that there's something more to it, where even the top tiers are surprised, likely advanced observation haki that let Akainu and Aokiji "dodge" these attacks in the first place. Otherwise, Logia's get Caesar/Caribou'd and get their asses whooped left and right in the new world.

And Crocodile didn't dodge armament haki attacks. Water attacks like Luffy's or Haki attacks like Jozu body slamming him still hurt him.

Reminder the hack made up haki because he created invincible logias like Enel,Smoker, CC, and Kizaru.

Dont mess with my based sperm.

Haki literally feels like getting items off a Zelda dungeon.
Learn new Haki type > Beat the Arc boss!
FUCK Devil Fruits, trying to find weaknesses, or the rock/paper/scissors power dynamic! It's all about Haki now!

Speaking of CoO where the fuck is it in this fight? Why is it possible to even hit Luffy if he has CoO that is now Katakuri tier.

HACK HACK HACK

Katakuri isn't a Logia user, dipshit

I still dont get how this haki advanced skill is gonna make Luffy tickle drunk Kaido. This arc is like Naruto as a child challenging Uchiha Madara thats how stupid it is.

>Without CoO to read the future and accurately dodge CoA
The fuck? You don't need to literally see the future to dodge attacks the old fashioned way, we've seen every Logia do it. Sure it helps but not everyone in the New World is so fast that you need future sight to avoid being hit.

What's even your point anymore? That you need exceptional CoO to dodge equally broken CoA? At high level fights, a Logia will be able to dodge everything, the same cannot be said for a non-Logia user because not every attack is dodgeable, even if you see them coming.

Caesar and Caribou are shitters, and you wouldn't even need CoO for that kind of dodging, just good reflexes and control over the fruit.

I can't wait to see how much more hilarious Wano will get!

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Haki is the elephant in the room that ruined nu-One Piece.

>He used Caribou as the goon to showcase that even low level users can go through their "invincibility"
lol

El Kaido is defending with advanced armament so Luffy needs advanced armament to hurt him

>FUCK Devil Fruits, trying to find weaknesses, or the rock/paper/scissors power dynamic!
You mean like the Crocodile fight or the Crocodile fight or the Crocodile fight or the Crocodile fight or the Crocodile fight or the Crocodile fight

Ace could stall Jinbe for 5 days. Considering all the shit we've seen Jinbe doing, this is no small feat

Wano is the funniest arc of the New World by far.

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No Kaido is crazy durable by default remember this guy jumps off sky islands for the lulz.

i dont fully understand why he isn't

>Was actually thinking of doing this because I actually thought it was kind of funny due to me being an asshole
>Some user does it
Bless you user

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logia are elements and mochi isn't an element.
that's all there is to it.

It's not explained why he is that durable. Luffy was talking about piercing his scales but since he's a yonko he probably has advanced haki too

No, he jumps off sky islands because he wants to die.

Ace's fruit completely counters Jimbe though.
Just heat up the environment enough to completely dry it up and fuck his entire fighting style.

Logias don't need to see the future to morph around attacks.

Croc isnt invincible all you need to do is turn him into glass.

one of the movies had a candy logia irc

Mochi isn't natural

Don't forget Enel and Enel

>thrown around by g4 luffy
>yeah man, le kaido is totally defending himself with ryuo
dude's scales are just super durable. there's no haki involved as far as we know

>It's not explained
Do you speedread or what? It's because he's a Dragon whose scales are impenetrable.

Daddy Died kyahahahaha :D

movies aren't decided by oda until strong world

He's not a dragon in his human form my dude.

Is it even possible to use advanced haki while hammered?

No, I don't speedread, do you? That's Luffy's interpretation just like I said in the post you quoted

>People get upset when some ecelebs can call it
>When even nip readers do it all the time and Oda can't say they're wrong
Why does he keep getting dabbed on.

One Piece was kinda lame after Marineford, dropped it around Dressrosa. Did I well?

One piece is STILL going? Jesus

So Kaido has his third in common watch ove ra prison? Thats very disrespectful.

hol' up
that too

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But swamp and smoke are somehow. I don't think even Oda knows what counts as Logia and what doesn't. Even the 'being able to turn your body into the substance' thing isn't a hard rule (Yami-Yami no mi).

Haki wishes it was like Nen.Nen for all it's retarded abilities is at least a more fleshed out system.Haki, armament in particular is so lazily created it just shows Oda did not know what to do against Logias.

''Just haki harder Luffy, haki harder.You want to hit Kaido, you gotta haki harder Luffy.''

Truly groundbreaking.

It's a fucking tattoo

That's what Oda wants you to think

Kaido is just a freak who's insanely durable. He's not using haki to guard when he attempts suicide for fun.

yeah... just a tattoo...

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Big Meme is indestructible too despite having no scales, so unless Oda will just say "they are just strong lmao" then haki defense is a possibility

How could you not know this?

But One Piece primary fighting system are devil fruits, not Haki

i'm totally accepting the possibility of mama using ryuo to defending herself considering that the so-called iron balloon defense drops as soon as her mental state goes to shit

Yes, just a fucking tattoo.

Why didn't Whitebeard help Wano?
Oden is Whitebeard friend

Haki augments defense you retards, it doesnt make you uber indestructable as Luffy could rip apart those CoA jobbers on Amazon Lily in Base.

Did you speedread Whole Cake? She took damage just by kneeling when she was in a distraught emotional state.
This HEAVILY implies it's Haki all along. The Invisible Armour we're hearing about this arc.

Kaido too strong and scary

That's it, they're just strong.Big Mom was oneshotting seasoned Giant warriors from childhood and Kaido tried to kill himself several times, why would he use haki there?

yup, just a tattoo...

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BB's fruit is more Paramecia than logia honestly but he wanted the final boss to be a logia because Logias are powerful or something.

That doesn't mean he can't use advanced haki if he wants to. He might also be so strong that he can't turn it off because this is One Piece

Just this thread I wrote 5 or more posts about this very issue.Not anymore, devil fruits are worthless in fights if you have haki training.

Honestly think it's because he wants to keep the Paramecia/Logia/Zoan fruit trio on him. Having 2 Paramecias and no Logia would be weird.

Basically. And also, while Devil Fruits are a better system than Haki, it's still pretty limited compared to HxH' batte/power system
>DF's have 3 categories, and like 4 subcategories in Zoan type fruits
>Nen has 6 aura types and almost 10 ability subcategories got uncovered so far in a single arc

>Haki is basically limited Nen copypasta with Ultra Instinct and 4 categories
>Nen has 4 major principles of nen techniques + 7 advanced ones

>One Piece has battle styles
>HxH even has Family/Clan battle and assassination styles

>Devil Fruits for side effects they only have salt water and seastone weakness, other than that there's elements based weaknesses, certain paramecia types' overusage and haki overusage
>Nen has more side-effects/consequences and requirements/vows for how powerfull you want your ability to become

It would be better to compare with Naruto and people would sound less delusional.

Its not haki or you are implying toddler Linlin could use CoA and thats retarded btw.

>amazon lily jobbers are equal to big mom and kaido

>Just this thread I wrote 5 or more posts about this very issue
the absolute state of huntercuck

Let me be clear, I'm not saying Logia's are shit fruits, I'm saying that they aren't "dodge ANY attack" fruits anymore. that kind of statement is only possible with CoO, which is more about the haki than the fruit.

Likewise, if we're going old fashioned way of simply dodging and having good reflexes, the same should be applied to the CoA attacker in this hypothetical to keep it fair. It's not like the Logia will dodge any and every attack "the old fashioned way". Winning and losing is a matter of what Oda would want, there's no objective metric to say that one is necessarily better than the other. I'm saying that new world CoO and CoA doesn't make Logia's by itself broken anymore, to the point that great Zoans that have enhanced speed or strength may be better than other DFs with CoA haki being a major factor, now.

You need exceptional CoO to, quote, "dodge ANY attack", in the discussion of CoA. Otherwise a Logia can still get hit. Yes a logia will always have an advantage over a jobber, but at the higher tier battles, it becomes a discussion of haki and not DF anymore, as evidenced by relevant top tiers like the logia admirals, Big Mom and her paramecia generals, and Kaido and his Zoan generals.

ITT list mistakes in One Piece

Mythological zoans
Seriously wtf? If you wanted to give your characters magic powers just give them that by default dont use real life mythology to hand over some faggot phoenix powers or another faggot buddha powers with energy shockwaves for some reason. There is an endless asspull potential for mythological zoan thats why they are shit writing they basically are Paramecia + Zoan at the same time.

[???]
After all the post-timeskip arcs, THIS is where he decides to start rushing it?

Are you the same faggot who called me DB fan earlier?Goddamn trying to put some sense into you is like trying to penetrate Kaido's skin

Bros, I thought Wano would be the arc saving post-TS OP?

Kid Ace could use Conqueror's Haki, where he used it to knock out a bunch of adults.
Why would it be retarded that a kid knew how to use Haki? Just because you think so?

Want to Piss is supposed to be limited in power system but then Rokushiki happened, then haki happened, then whatever the fuck the Happo Navy does happened, and then ninjas literally use magic.

>raising her leg when hugging him

Kawamatsu wasn't expecting this kind of boy love fresh out of prison

Mythical Zoans are cool you fucking doofus.And most Paramecias are also bullshit but that's not a problem too since devil fruits were created by humans

Mochi isn't a natural element. Caesar's artificial gases are though :^)

Mythical zoans wouldn't be so bad if we saw natural examples of those animals in the one piece world, like how its plausible that there are dinosaur zoans. As is, it's like you said, Paramecia + Zoan.

Yh conqueror's haki not CoA. Meme's durability depends on her mental state its not due to haki you shit for brains.

>which is more about the haki than the fruit.
No, it has more to do with the fruit. CoO makes you better at dodging but it's the fruit that allow to shift form.

That's "her" shtick, trying to act like a girl because he wants to be one.

>nen is better because it's more complicated
>doesn't realize that haki is basically just the same idea of ki that's been in every kung fu movie

Upon encountering a fact the brainlet cannot comprehend, he lashes in anger and rage.

>Kiku
>best Swodsman
lol no

>Meme's durability depends on her mental state its not due to haki you shit for brains
man, what a fucking take holy shit

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nah man. ChOda is fucking his wife while Sanji is getting anal raped by Zoro.

Since when was One Piece supposed to have a limited power system

Paramecias are not bullshit they are literally gain a superpower that is not based on turning into an animal or element.
Nice headcanon but find proof she can use CoA as a toddler or shut up.

How about Aisa, who had Color of Observation on the level of knowing the state of everyone in an island wide area? She was just a kid, yet naturally adept at Mantra.
I can keep this all day bro.

Sengoku's energy shockwaves aren't directly from his DF power, they are just haki. After eating his Hito Hito no Mi he reached "enlightenment" aka he got haki mastery for free.

It's hard to believe Phoenix actually exist in the One Piece world? Really? There's a Basilik and a bunch of Manticore in Impel Down. Dragon exists.

It might be a side effect of the Soru Soru no mi or something but she was born super strong so its not Haki.

I'm pretty sure Oda has already realized that it was a mistake, thus he's trying to give those chars limited screentime

>Sengoku's energy shockwaves aren't directly from his DF power, they are just haki
>they are just haki
Please stop

He probably is given how Oda hates this character so much.

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>then whatever the fuck Happo Navy does happened

It's just a martial art that focuses on causing damage through vibrations in their blows, it's not that hard to think about.

It's literally what Luffy is learning right now, lmao

And being able to shift form reflexively isn't enough to actually dodge when you get hit by a CoA attack, like Caesar and Caribou. If we add a variable like having good reflexes, then the CoA attacker should have that too. I'm saying Logia's aren't "dodge ANY attack" fruits, that's a wrong statement in the New World and is only possible with good CoO. At that point, the advanced CoO is more notable than the Logia fruit.

Also way to read one sentence in.

pandoras box was opened, you cant stop whats coming now.

>she was born super strong so its not Haki
why not both? she's charlotte motherfucking linlin, not a random ass fodder

She's a woman at heart, user, and that's all that matters

She learned CoA later in her life not as a child, there are characters in preskip that lack Haki who had crazy durability yet you say this bullshit.

Yeah but Basilisks and Manticores don't have some Paramecia like powers on top of being fantasy animals, they're just animals that can only use physical attacks. Pheonixes aren't just fantasy creatures but have supernatural powers. And until we see a dragon, and a pheonix, I won't be convinced.

KAIDO... I CAN'T FORGIVE THAT YOU KILL ZORO
BUT WAIT...
WHAT'S THAT ENEGRY?
HAKI FLOWING THOUGHT ME?
I WILL THROW AWAY MY LIFE (plot device will save me later anyway lol)
GEAR DEATH, LUFFY-SAN

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Mythical/Ancient zoans are the coolest and rarest though, way better than "This guy can turn into moss/mist/oil/generic intangibility!" Logias or "Can do anything" Asspullamecias; they're only limited by being the only type of DF without a clear "evolution" so far (The minoguards at ID barely count), if the top-end zoan users got rumble-ball like temporary alt forms they'd be the leagues ahead of the other DFs in flavor.

>If we add a variable like having good reflexes, then the CoA attacker should have that too
why? not every character is equal in abilities

>My favorite Strawhat is Zoro

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Based

>She learned CoA later in her life
says who. she could be born with crazy resistance and armament too

>Ancient Zoan
Dont dinosaurs literally exist right now on the Wan Piss planet?

It's okay, but I can't really bring myself to care about a Kappa...
All this build up, and it's just a frogman

Anime really does attract retards.Paramecias are bullshit because of unnatural shit like rubber or spring or Sugar's fruit.Mythical zoans also can be explained this way.They exist even though they're unnatural/unreal because devil fruits were made by humans.

Why the fuck are you talking about shitters like Caesar and Caribou? If you mean that there is a window in skill where you can overcome a Logia, yes, and that's when you develop Haki. But then a Logia learns CoO, and he will dodge every single attack you throw at him.
>But then Haki is more important
Already explained why you're wrong. You're not listening. It's the combination of Advanced CoO and being a Logia that is absolutely broken. With CoO alone, you might not dodge all attacks, you might not be able to counter-attack, you might not be able to keep your stance.

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Sugar's fruit is bullshit, but Bellamy and Luffy's fruit are typical superpowers.
>devil fruits made by humans
Yh bro notice how fucking country where Buddha, Phoenix, or Kitsune exists in Wan Piss to explain that.

yes but only on grand line

Based user blowing Oda dickriders the fuck out

>YOU CAN'T BE A HAKI MASTER WHILE BEING 5 YEARS OLD REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I'M NOT LISTENING I'M NOT LISTENING I COME FROM WATCHING DBS AND CHILD PRODIGIES DON'T EXIST

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Don't call me bro ever again

Now that Big Mom is headed to Onigashima, is Wano finally out of the setup phase?

the gap between luffy and his crew is ridiculous. by the end of this arc luffy will be BETTER thab rayleigh

Vegeta is a child prodigy.

why would Buddha powers allow you to create shockwaves

I want to uck Aisa

Ok honey

We have already seen a dragon my dude.

Why does it matter if they have powers on top of it? The thing is that there's lot of crazy animals in the One Piece world. Even mythical ones. So, the phoenix or the nine tail foxes existing is nothing surprising.

>introduces several dinosaurs fruits
>none of them has feathers
Why is Oda such Hack? Dinosaurs are supposed to be scary feathered creatures, not some silly looking lizards.

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Reminder Luffy has yet to beat any big bad from Doflamingo onwards without help/crutch

>devil fruits were made by humans.
they're made by sea devils

Its impossible to give Zoro fights because he never fucking cuts up people due to Oda being a pussy. Asta slices people in Clover all the time. Every Zoro fight is swords clashing then teleports behind you bullshit.

CoO is such bullshit.
>literal telepathy
>literal future sight
>literal power level readings

>Zoro
>Not Shanks

After prison break and Usopp getting captured it's Reverie time baby

Shanks is a Villain

>Could have used newer discovered dinos and whatnot that make these older ones look like garbage
>Just sticks to basic google and jurassic park ones
Yawn

Yh crazy MARINE animals not land animals.

Jurassic Park ruined dinosaurs in fiction permanently

Should've just had him use Sakabatos.

Sauropods wouldn't have feathers, and big theropods, if they were feathered at all, would only have them in patches

We still gotta find out who and where Denjiro is and then there's still the Oden flashback too

wat

Which cool dinos?Show us some examples.

I fucking want to punch her cunt face so hard that her teeth will get knocked out then I will force her to swallow the teeth I knocked out with my fist.
After that I will choke her with one hand and start punching her in the stomach very hard repeatedly until she starts foaming from her mouth. Then I will force her to lie on the ground with her shitty broken teeth smile and hold the biggest rock I can find high above my head then throw it RIGHT at her fucking mouth shattering her entire jaw and skull.
I will let her writhe there suffering until she dies. Fucking ugly cunt.

hopefully with precognition, gear 2nd+3rd, and advanced armament haki luffy won't have to rely on gear 4th as much

We got too cocky haki haters... Time to rethink our strategy on the discord

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>dinosaurs have feathers
No

>There's an extinct animal called a danger bird, fucking danger bird
>Oda doesn't use it
Guess the charlotte family took all of his creative juice and risks.

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sperm is actually funny
one >>>>>> oda

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Because that's an extra variable you conveniently added to make your point. There are logias with shit reflexes, like Caesar and Caribou, that do get hit by CoA attacks. So likewise, if we say make the hypothetical about a Logia with good reflexes, we should keep things even by making the CoA attacker have equally good reflexes, so you can't pretend like having good reflexes will let you dodge any attack like CoO can.

The original discussion is that a logia fruit itself doesn't make you "dodge ANY attack"in the new world, which is why I brought up Caesar and Caribou as quintessential counterexamples. Logia's are good fruits, but they don't "dodge ANY attack" simply because of reflex, you need good haki for that. If Haki is the determining factor of who wins and loses in the new world (which is the case for basically EVERY major fight for Luffy in the new world so far, as opposed to his DF) then yes a paramecia or zoan may be better off, Logia's aren't the end-all broken fruit anymore.

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Why the fuck is Queen such a lame fucking Zoan.
Like seriously, Jack is supposed to be the master of land.
King is supposed to be the master of air.
And Queen is... land again? Not even a different type of animal, just another fat ass giant that moves slowly.
It feels like a fucking "upgrade" so to speak to Jack, because they both have the exact same combat capabilities.
Fucking stupid.
Should've been something focused maybe on speed or pure damage instead of durability.
Fuck Oda and fuck this manga.

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>Not a an amphibious creature that can topple even T-Rexs
>Here's that dino that was famous because of jurassic park :)

2nd and 3rd don't have the strength to do any significant damage to YC and above

>Jack the Drought
>literally a fishman
>master of land

BASED

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why would there be a master of the sea when the instant he goes into the sea he would sink and die?

Stfu nerd

I'm sorry but if you think turning into fucking lava is worse than turning into a kitty or having your farts taste like strawberries then you're clearly dumb and don't understand Logias at all.

that will be different with advanced armament haki

2 hours and 30 minutes

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Have you been diagnosed with autism? A fighter having the ability to reflexively dodge isn't an extra variable added in, that's how fights work. Haki is also not the determining factor, Katakuri was a haki expert but Luffy was able to defeat him with creativity and skill

You are lame and your mother is a whore 10x bigger than Hiyori, Brachiosaurus is actually one of the best dinosaurs

stay mad

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>whining because Oda didn't make their zoans badass to pander to edgefags

Is Drake physically stronger than Luffy in his zoan forms? Because if he isnt then Oda doesnt know how to balance.

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Is post timeskip Rob Lucci Supernova level?

Not him and I agree with you for the most part but Luffy literally defeated him by getting better at CoO.

of course not lmao

life, uhhh, finds a way

A brachiosaur with a fu manchu who smokes a cigar is pretty badass to me, personally

Rob Lucci is admiral level

Based strawberryfag

Mythical Zoans carry their habilities even human form, Marco was was able to regenrate and heal while in human form

Turning into a fucking lava is amazing against %99.9 of the world and the destructive power you yield alone is huuuge but in a 1v1 fight against an opponent with the same level of haki mastery, a tiger zoan user would take out a lava logia user because of all the physical boosts he gets from his fruit.

he still didn't reach the level of being able to literally predict the future

Around Sabo's level.

Yes, that's the point of Zoans being physically strong

Drake is stronger than Luffy in base form. Drake was able to push a Paci to the ground I'm base from, while it took the combined effort of Luffy, Zoro and Sanji to push one back.

Not even the biggest sauropod, that would be the Argentinosaurus.

>Eats his Devil Fruit
>In his FIRST fight and FIRST ever use of his Devil Fruit, he already makes up twenty different techniques and a bunch of transformations, pushing his newfound power to the limit of creativity

>Queen shows his Devil Fruit he's had for who knows how long
>O MY JUMPING OFF A BUILDING AND HEADBUTTING AS A GIANT LIZARD WITH A TINY FRAGILE HEAD

Oda has 100% lost his touch.

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Is Rokuogun advanced armament Haki?

We don't know Lucci bounty so we can't assume his powerlevel

Fleet Admiral tier. Basically equal to Akainu.

Whose ship was that on the cover story?

>never cuts people up
I'm not going to go to the trouble of making a collage but literally every one of his fights ends with a huge spurt of blood and the enemy being horribly sliced. His injury from Mihawk was also brutal as fuck.

The muscle manipulation of Kaku's fruit is complete bullshit as not even Chopper can do that.

Pretty sure he actually did since he's able to do it on Wano.

Advanced CoC

>a 1v1 fight against an opponent with the same level of haki mastery, a tiger zoan user would take out a lava logia user
Not the same guy but you are wrong. The Zoan user would need a much greater haki to block not only the enemie's haki and physical strength but also the heat from the lava

anime-onlys don't get the blood

Bege

I feel that we're finally getting into the better parts now that the exposition dumps and the introduction of new characters is basically through.

It's really crawled to a start

any good op post time skip?

Did Chopper eat the giraffe fruit you retard?

No dude Im talking about cutting off limbs and heads.

No, it's a shockwave like the impact/reject dials.

yonko tier - Blackbeard and his crew ran away from him

op as in openings?

15 is good imo

because queen isn't retarded and realized that normal attacks wouldn't work

Seimen Kikai you retard

Just like the actual manga, the ops have gone downhill ever since the timeskip.

>zoan fruits let you change all your muscles and bones and organs
>hurrr why can this guy change his muscles better??

Kaku is the only creative zoan user.

I am at Fishman Island. I read that they keep splitting the crew up later and we go years without seeing some of them. Is that true?

From Snack or Myukuru's fleet

Yes, Trafalgar D. Water Law.

Can giraffes control their muscles?

Haha yeah honestly writing this I was like fuck lava is the worst example I could use but put that same haki mastery level aside, I still think Logias are worse.

brachio bomber is the strongest attack in one piece

Lava is one hell of a logia fruit to cherry pick. Okay, I get the dragon or pheonix mythical zoan to make my counterargument with. Likewise, motherfucking swamp and smoke won't have shit on a kitty.

Caribou and Caesar can both reflexively dodge normal physical attacks by turning their bodies into logia form, if that's what you mean. If you mean a fighter with quick fucking reflexes to avoid an attack by moving out of the way, then that is quite the extra variable you just added, faggot. Why shouldn't the CoA attacker have quick or even quicker hypothetical reflexes to react to the dodge and hit the logia?

And Katakuri was beating the shit out of Luffy until 1) Luffy started improving his haki and Katakuri started getting flustered, then later 2) Katakuri outright letting Luffy win to change his image. That's what that whole post fight scene with Brulee was about.

OPs are terrible because they are long rather than short.

In like 2 arcs for you

literally any movement is controlling muscles

No, but there are good post op TS characters

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>cabello inflado
>ojos
why are mexicans like this

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years in real world time, yes

in-universe time they are probably apart for a few days or weeks or something

both snack and myukuru were stationed at cacao's island. bege stole the ship from chiffon's island

Dude you're just gonna outspeed the light dude with your kitty speed lol

No retard can they break apart their neck like Plotku can?

>reading one piece for a decade
>try and get my friends to read
>they refuse, watch shit like School Rumble and Prince of Tennis instead
>flash forward to recently
>one friend has a daughter, tells me they started WATCHING One Piece, he says it's really good
>tell him manga is far superior
>he says he only watches it for his daughter and doesn't have time or inclination to read manga
Just thinking about your only exposure to One Piece being the shit anime makes my skin crawl.
Thinking about Marineford...
>AAAAAACE-UUUUU

Who cares, Kaku was weak anyway

>quick fucking reflexes to avoid an attack by moving out of the way, then that is quite the extra variable you just added, faggot
do you think every fight is between people with equal abilities standing there trading shots?

Law is a D btw and he's the next pirate king.

There's a huge 25 on the sail. It has to be one of them.

Rayleight went toe to toe with the light dude with his old man speed.Just because he's light Logia doesn't mean he can move at lightspeed.Oda knows himself it would be too broken.

is it possible sabo was using advanced armament haki?

Why does Oda ignore the fact that zoans should have super senses?

brachio bomber was actually cool, tho

Where's usopp?

>A FUCKING NAIL

Luffy was beating Shichibukai pre-TS and people somehow are surprised he's beating Yonko commanders ?
Remember Marineford was eye-opening for him and how he and his crew weren't ready for the new world.
That's what the whole 2 year timeskip was for.
Bitch about it if he had kicked Akainu's ass right after the TS.

Kaku knew rokushiki which was all about complete control over muscles to gain superhuman skills, it makes sense he'd be able to do weird stuff with a zoan

Kizaru's brain probably cannot keep up with his speed in a casual fashion, by the time one second has passed it has already moved 300,000 kms a straight line meaning he is outer space.

Lol Kizaru wasn't even trying and Ray was sweating buckets after 5 sec of sparring with Kizaru

Luffy got very lucky against Crocodile

No, but in this hypothetical, reflexes are an extra variable that are its own discussion. To flip the script, The CoA attacker now has better reflexes than the logia. If that's not an extra variable, my point in entirely valid and now the logia can't dodge without good CoO. If you consider what I did disingenuous and adding an extra variable, than you can fuck right off with your logic.

Light speed attacks and Lava intense heat logias, fair examples. Would a tiger zoan with CoA have the same issue against some pleb with Smoker's fruit? Or would Lava still have the same strength against something like Kaido's dragon fruit? Why are we cherry picking our logias so hard?

Zoans are literally shit the jobbers of devil fruits.
>muh claws
>muh jaws
>muh horns

Why didn't Shanks push Teach's shit in at Marineford? His crew would have stomped BB's crew easily

LGBT Piece

ah yes the ''wasn't even trying'' excuse, an unofficial discussion ender.

How much until the episode airs?

>Kizaru gets cut, Rayleigh doesn't
>Rayleigh laments that he isn't able to solo Kizaru and also help Luffy at the same time
>Kizaru completely jobs offscreen, or else he would have handily brought in the wanted criminal

Kizaru can totally move at the speed of light when he's in light form. He should transform his whole body but his head and one arm into light to fight.

Crocodile's fruit is shit. If Vivi had spit on him back at Rain Dinners before attacking, he'd be fucking dead.

>guy who lost an arm to a sea king
>stomping BB
lmao

>If that's not an extra variable, my point in entirely valid
yes, whoever has better skills and reflexes would win
god you are fucking autistic

>neutralize enemy df with a seastone while he was focusing on something else
>still out runs on foot despite having a numerical advantage and riding speedy beasts
Why is Hawkins such a failure?

Damn now I want Vivi to spit on me

I don't think Shanks cares much, he just wanted to stop the war.I think this is why he's also not a D.He's trying to preserve the little order and peace they have.Literally too smart to be a D.

Buggy is a Shichibukai.
That title doesn't mean shit.

kek

Oda knows lasers dont make stuff explode right? They just burning through whatever they pass.

>people turning into a sentient magma and kicking people at light speed is fine
>turning into a magic bird with healing powers is crossing the line

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Teach is pretty smart in his own way, he just likes chaos

>sneak attack
No

Is Kong Yonko level?

Hawkins definitely let Law escape. He doesn't want to be Kaido's bitch forever, he's in on this whole plan too and will backstab these furry faggots.

Hawkins is a jobber. Couldn't even catch dummies like Zoro and Luffy.

He also wants to change things.The whole ''enemies of the gods'' aspect.Jaguar being a D. seems pointless though.

As soon as Law can make an island sized Room he is invincible.

That's the point. In the new world, having a Logia fruit alone won't make you "dodge ANY attack". Other variables like reflexes and CoO which are determined by other factors are what largely determine this. Logias aren't the end all be all. Thanks for agreeing with me, retard.

Nothing is gonna beat Water 7

Cope. Hawkins is a bitch.

He can though, it just shortens his life span like when he used Gamma knife

Tiny brain Jackfag mad that Hawkins' is about to steal his position as All-Star.

>lifespan
>fruit can make you immortal

Law is fucking shit. What the fuck can he do in his room? Swap himself with objects and that's it.

As long as Oda stop being a hack and let Law use his powers from Punk Hazard, he's unbeatable and could easily one shot Big Meme and the Kaido to end this shitty arc.

oh no

my favorite supernova's retarded now

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He can't make himself immortal, he can only do the immortality surgery on others, and doing so would kill him

It's all that matters to me, I want her to bury her katana so far in my sheath that whoever removes it will be crowned shogun of Wano.

Buggy led a riot in the world's most secure prison, escaped with a gang of followers, has a DF that makes him invincible to swordsmen, was on the Pirate King's ship, and is buddies with a Yonko

That's what he wants you to believe.

If the opponent's Haki is strong enough law can't cut them

oda isnt allowed to let law be cool anymore when he nearly overtook luffy in popularity during dressrosa. luffy had to have lucy's vote included to win.

>Seething

His room doesn't allow him to cut everything for fuck's sake. He cuts with his fucking sword. And you can protect yourself from that by dodging or with haki. You can also most probably protect yourself from mind swap with haki.

>Jack the Drought
What I expected:
A guy with a devil fruit that causes shit to dry up into dust around him allowing him to turn entire cities into dust fields

What I got:
Ice Age

>Queen the plague
What I expected:
A guy with a devil fruit that can control pathogens allowing him to create diseases clouds that can cause infections on anyone, due to this power he is known as the plague because he causes plagues wherever he stands.

What I got:
BRAINCHIO BOMBER!

>King the Wildfire
What I expected:
A guy with a devil fruit to cause natural disasters like he can touch a tree then cause a wildfire.

What I got:
Dude Pteradon

I don't give a shit about your original argument, I originally replied to say logias could dodge without CoO and you were literally unable to stop You'ing me you fucking retarded faggot

Psycho killer, qu'est-ce que c'est?
Fa, fa, fa, fa, fa, fa, fa

He cut Vergo who has higher CoA than him so try again. His shambles hax also worked on Doffy who is without a doubt way above him in CoA.

thats fucking ridiculous. dude was weaker than luffy, now he's stronger?

I'm wrong. He also has telekinetic powers. Telekineti powers and swapping shit isn't OP at all.

>big meme
>strong haki
lol she was knocked out by a headbutt from a funny looking lizard

if you think about it ,
someone who got the immortality surgery and redicovered the fruit when it came back would be unstopabble,

what you expected:
Dark Piece

what you read:
One Piece

No you cant his spatial slashs are impossible to dodge thats why you get auto sushied as soon as he swings his blade.

The only dragon we've seen is an artificial one made by vegapunk, not a real dragon.

The reason I have a gripe with mythical zoans is that the other crazy animals don't have Paramecia type powers, they're just fantasy animals that are mostly physical. Firebreathing dragons and regenerative pheonixes crosses into devil fruit territory, which is why I'd be happy to see natural pheonixes or dragons justify the zoan analog. I'm not all that bothered by mythical zoans, I'm just saying I'd be happier to see the natural version.

I'm talking about the difference between the types of fruits. For every zoan except mythical zoan, there are natural animal versions as well, including the ancient zoans like Dinosaurs (and while we haven't see mammoths, it's plausible if dinosaurs exist). Mythical zoan straddles paramecia and zoan, and they have no natural example too, otherwise those would just be normal animals with paramecia type powers that didn't eat a DF.

>comparing a full fledged fight to a knock out scenario that was merely a plot device to move a certain plot forward

Brainlet

desu at this point I'm not even sure if this post is ironic or not

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The problem is, haki has to be manually applied to whatever part(s) you want. Law has been able to redirect the slashes to wherever he wants inside his room, so he could easily "teleport" the slash to somewhere that ISN'T protected by haki, like one of their vertebrae or tendons or something.
You can get around this by going full haki nigger mode like Pica or Vergo, but that seems to spread it around and make it weaker, instead of just concentrating on one spot.

No Law's CoA is stronger than Doffy's speedreader

>Vergo has higher CoA
He thought he had but clearly din't. That's why he cut him. Vergo literally walked towards him thinking he was safe.

Do you speedread? Whoever loses, ends up getting stronger. Look at Luffy and all the fights he has lost but then he comes back stronger.
The same applies to Lucci so now he's stronger than him.

>thats why you get auto sushied as soon as he swings his blade.
No, you fucking don't, retard.

This image is hilarious in retrospect, now that we know that Kaido is canonically smaller than Jack.

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No it fucking isnt, its so strong it made Non G4 Luffy job.
Vergo was beating the shit out of Law until he got distracted and then got sushied.

they are not saiyans

Lol Luffy would shit on Sabo

Jack destroys whatever opposes him, leaving nothing behind. As if a "Drought" had ocurred
Queen's hobby is elaborating pathogens hence the "Plague"
Although i really thought Queen was gonna be a Scorpion Zoan

Lucci was clearly stronger than Luffy, could kill him multiple times

Vergo having higher CoA than law doesn't mean it was strong enough to block fruit power. And shambles is teleportation not cutting

Law's powers are limited by his stamina, if he didn't have the strength to cut through either normally, then he wouldn't be able to in his room lawtard

Somebody post that edit with Kaido and his calamities where Kaido is the smallest out of all of them.

Dragons are a real thing, Ryuuma slayed one in Wano at some point in the past.

So you're saying you jumped into a discussion to point out a basic idea like how logias can technically dodge without CoO if you throw in enough extra variables, when it was completely pointless and irrelevant to the actual discussion which was about how logia's can't "dodge ANY attack"? What kind of fucking moron are you?

Yh you do.
>but haki prevents hax
So Sugar touching Kaido wouldnt turn him into her slave?

His power has nothing to do with cutting. Fuck off with that.

What’s one one piece character that could be changed to a blank person and no one would really have a problem

>canonically
but we don't know about Kaido height

t. speedreader
Law CoA is stronger. Showed on manga panels.
>vergo was beating law
Because he had his heart, speedreader.

Indeed Lucci was fucking around even Spandam got on his case about it, a bad Cipher Pol you are supposed to assasinate not be a martial artist.

Lol retard don't know how Law's fruit works

lol sorry I intruded on your super serious Yea Forums anime discussion you absolute autist

We do speedy-kun.
He's about 3m talls.

In legend. It simply could have been another person with Kaido's dragon fruit in the past. If it's a real, natural dragon, then I'll be happy to see that what I wanted (a natural example of the mythical zoans). I'd like to see a natural phoenix somewhere too, that would be cool.

He needed his heart to prevent from being sushied dumbass.

Cope.

it isn't about cutting, he can freely modify anything within the room

We should make Dark Piece a thing.
Doesn't Dragon Ball have that multi-whatever fan manga that manages to be way more interesting than the actual newer one? I bet we could do that, we know what Oda does wrong so we literally just have to not do it.

Retard

Law moves people around with his hands in the room not his swords its not based on cutting he has spatial manipulation.

Spacial cutting is part of it, retard.

Its not dark due to the asspull balls existing.

There's no fucking spatial cutting. He cuts with his fucking sword, like any other swordman in the series.

what I really don't get is why Jack is the only one who's abilities don't match
>Kaido: "Well King, since you've got those weird flame things shooting out of your body, I'll dub you the Wildfire!"
> "And Queen, since you excel at creating biological weapons, you'll be the Plague!"
> Jack rolls in on his tricycle
> Jack with heavy lisp: "Whath abouth me Kaido-than?"
> Kaido: "Oh right, Jack, let's see... I know, since you drink all your milkies every meal like a good boy, I'll call you the Drought!!!"
>Jack: "YAAAY, I'M THE DROUGHTH, IMMA BIG BOY!!!"

wrong
he pretty much has telekinesis within the room

>calls other people autists and retards while he becomes invested enough to reply over and over again to the very same discussion just as much, except with entirely irrelevant points
Apology accepted. Go buy a weighted blanket to help you fall asleep, sperg.

Speedreader. You're literally told in his damn introduction.
Fuck you.

Kaido should kill someone from Luffy crew with forces him to use new Gear
Zoro should open his mangyeko sharngan eye and use his gold CoC haki to create dark amaterasu tiger santoryou to counter Kyoshiro moon blade thousands death cuts technice
Nami should die
Usopp should die
Sanji should be revealed to be a demon and use Jambo el Diable to finish off King (with has now blood Logia devil fruit)
Robin should start killing people by creating cancers
Chopper should turn into a monster and lose his sanity
Franky and Brook should die (to goofy)

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No his use his sword to channel his powers like Fujitora uses his sword to call meteorites and create gravity fields, retarded.

lol

Law would be broken if he could injure outside of cutting like he can just make holes appear on your body that would be made by something impaling through you, or he could burn your skin off with a thought.

I see, so did your parents ever explicitly say how much alcohol they drank before you were born? I'd just like a measure of how much is too much.

Retard

stop compulsively You'ing me if you don't want me to reply, fuck's sake you're seething

No, he fucking doesn't. That's why he din't cut Doflamingo into pieces, that's why Vergo thought he was safe.
He cannot cut with his DF powers.

Uh retard, I'm talking about their abilities. Jack is the only one who's actual powers don't have anything to do with his title.

speedreader
He's literally shown disassembling people without using his sword

How is having plague bullets an "ability" you faggotron? It's more like a hobby.
And King just fucking sets his own ass on fire, that's just him being retarded.

Because Doffy was dodging you absolute mong

I'm just enjoying you desperately trying to do anything now.
>Wrong point after wrong point
>S-seething! Ausist! R-retard
Sometimes its nice to watch a clown at the circus

I saw a guy light himself on fire to impress a girl,
the really sad part was that it worked.

Yeah exactly. He doesn't have "spatial slashes". He cuts with his fucking sword. And you can also protect yourself with haki.

No, speedreader.

>"How are plague bullets related to plague?"
>"How is having fire being a wildfire?"
Jesus Christ, how stupid are jacktards?

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How is jobbing being the drought? Why are jacktards so up in arms?

Absolute retard. Sword is used to channel special slashes.

No, that's why Vergo thought he was safe.

You have to be retarded to think this is the peak of the arc lmao. It's pretty clear that the story is currently setting up for the main conflict at Onigashima, which will be the actual peak of the arc.

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if we're going Dark Piece, at least kill weak Sanji. Zoro still needs to unlock his chad eye.

Anyone try any concept art of Kaido's half form yet? Even the Mexican ones. I'm interested in what people would think it'll look like. Kaido is a real dragon shit posters need not apply.