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Why did Itagaki bullying Ali Jr so hard? The last arc of バキ is fucking depressing.

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I see it as driving the point home about the difference between a sport fighter and a Baki fighter. Ali Jr is the limit of how far you can get without being willing to die over a stupid bar fight. That's why Muhammad Ali Sr wouldn't let Baki kill his son: he wasn't one of them, so he had no reason to die like one of them.

It's like an inversion of how Doppo cried when Shibukawa refused to kill him.

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Sure he got his shit kicked but he walked out on his own legs in the end. I wouldn't call it bullying since he was the provocator and all in all got out lightly.
But yeah I felt a bit bad for him too.

Thats pretty much what I got out of it. Ali was a basically a coward in their terms, he was ready to kill Baki but turned into a bitch when the tables were turned. Also he kept trying to move on Baki's girl which made me dislike him.

baki handled it like such a chad though
>if she does anything with that loser she's no girl i would ever go out with

Is anyone ever going to finish translating the Musashi chapters or the early stuff?

Don't make it sound like we're not doing anything.

Who's "we"? I'll paypal you some cash to translate that shit, no joke.

If you don't know who 'we' is, you're not here often.

Do not attempt to give us money. Under no circumstances will I ever accept money in relation to scanlation.

This entire arc felt dumb.Though seeing Ali Jr get complete annihilated after him acting like a cocky asshole and trying to NTR Baki for so many chapters was cathartic. Also speaking of Kozue, what the fuck happened to her? It's like she's just up and disappeared from the series.

It's not confirmed, but she doesn't like getting asked that.

There's no evidence whatsoever to point in either direction. It's essentially just a joke which exists because there are two people with the same surname writing in the same magazine. "Itagaki" is not exactly a rare Japanese family name.

I wonder if she'd block you if you ask her on Twitter.

He's completely autistic about a certain level of quality - hence, Baki-Dou will never be completely scanlated.

Zoomers, man.

>someone holding himself to his standards is being autistic
Spooken like a 20 y/o boomer

I mean, I can always just get on a lot of drugs and do things the easy way

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So, when's the new sumo chapter?

also Musashi is so fucking inhuman it's not even funny, he's legit far scarier than Yuijiro, Pickle and Jack

thats all Musashi stuff deserves

The 10th.

>The 10th.
fuuuuck this long

I'm a dumbfuck

I feel like you missed the point of those fights completely

>I didn't see people coming at Baki like that when he was poisoned

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I think it's suppose to reflect that Ali was a good boxer and athlete but not really a fighter. He is sorta pseudo-Baki. Except he defeated his dad (until his dad kicks his ass again) and couldn't put his life in the line.

Similar to how the Pickle arc and the final battle between Baki and him, mirrors the final fight between Baki and his dad. With Baki winning in a symbolic way.

oh he looks like ET

The whole love triangle thing was dumb and I dunno what Itagaki was thinking by putting that in the story
If not for that he'd be absolutely sympathetic

It wasn't dirty at all. The main theme behind the Ali Jr. vs Baki fight was : "Do you have a strong resolve?". How do you think Baki became Champion of the Underground Arena? No matter who challenged him, no matter at which point in time, he faced him. What do you think did he get all his scars from? In said Tournament Arena Arc he straight up loses a match because he gets kicked in the balls. While others might think "this is unfair", for Baki the opponent won the round clean and they want to round 3, explaining "That's the fighter's fighting style/essence, it's how he fights."
The gang just kept beating Ali Jr., therefore they questioned how big his resolve is. At the climax of Baki vs Ali Jr. we already knew the winner. If I remember correctly Baki gave Ali Jr. multiple weeks to recover before facing him, ergo this is already foreshadowing towards Baki thinking Ali Jr's resolve is weak, then in the match itself he proved it.

Same shit with Kozue desu. It's just from another perspective than "fighting" itself. Ali Jr doesn't have a strong resolve, therefore he wants to be in a relationship with Kozue, he let's himself be distracted by other temptations. I hope I remember all of this correctly (Baki is 1000+ chapters lol), but in the beginnings of their relationship, Baki didn't come to Kozue, when she wanted him to stop, he didn't. His life is fighting.

bear in mind yujiro was beating musashi in their duel until fagtobe interrupted. musashi is creepy because he is extremely edgy.

How is Ali Jr losing to significantly superior (physically) opponents an example of his weak resolve? I agree with the general sentiment that if the cockier Baki we had at the start of the series was never treated like that which is what makes it all feel sorta 'wrong'

>How is Ali Jr losing to significantly superior (physically) opponents an example of his weak resolve?
>muh physical superiority
Ali Jr. steamrolled a Kaioh, he also won his first encounter with Doppo, Jack assraped him but he lost against Memetobe later on, Gaia humiliated Sykorski despite Sykorski being capable of physical superhuman feats Gaia could only dream of.
Ali was just a sportsman who couldn't get into the world of actual fighters, not because he' physically inferior, he just doesn't have enough screws loose, when Doppo got hi fucking hand cut he didn't flinch for a second and fucking punched Dorian with his freshly amputated stump, Ali could barely deal with his broken hand and broke into tears after a kick in the balls.

That was intended to ambiguous
Anyway this reminds me how amazing all the spreads in Yujiro vs Musashi are

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Intended to be ambiguous at the end because musashi is the japanese equivalent of what jesus is to christians. They couldnt have musashi lose because the nippon fanbase would be butthurt, but also yujiro is the strongest character in that universe so itagaki had to compromise.

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You're ignoring my main point though. Baki was never treated like this at the beginning of the series, Doppo and so on moreorless welcomed him open arms by comparison. The whole situation with Ali Jr just feels pretty hypocritical of the cast and of Itagaki.

As far as phsysical strenght goes Ali Jr wasn't realy behind the main cast, the whole point was demonstrating the Baki fighters are nutjobs who embace fighting in every aspect of their lives, not when is convenient for them.

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>NTR villain not so tough after getting balls destroyed

Well yes, that's precisely why I said it was ambiguous when you said Yuji was about to wreck Musashi.

I don't get your 2nd sentence user.
It's a weak resolve because every other fighter (Doppo, Hanayama,etc.) and even Baki have a "no johns" mentality. It doesn't matter if you are physically weaker, if you want to challenge the best and be on top, you keep fighting. It's challenging the essence of what fighting is and from what I can tell Itagaki answers it with "Fighting is fighting." War (Musashi) isn't fighting, survival of the fittest (Pickle) isn't fighting, they are two completely different worlds. And in this example Boxing (Ali Jr.) isn't fighting. None of the other fighters would ever expect you to stop fighting him if say his arm got mushed up and broken, like it happened to Hanayama's student, you keep fighting. Ali Jr. wasn't able to understand/survive under these conditions, therefore his resolve/mentality was weaker.

>Baki was never treated like this at the beginning of the series
You can't be serious.
>Doppo and so on moreorless welcomed him open arms by comparison
By the time Baki met Doppo and the rest he was already an accomplished young fighter deep in Tokugawa's world, Doppo and the main gang never pushed the salty runback because the entire scenario is different, Baki already proved himself to them, Ali didn't.

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he did tho. reread that fight and you will see. yujiro had the upper hand the whole time.

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Yujiro was about to eat the super duper lighting fast sword strike before Motobe memed himself in. I mean this whole argument is kinda pointless since Itagaki clearly didn't want to say what would've happened.

The original Grappler Baki is an overall simpler and better written honestly story for what it's it worth, from New Grappler Baki onwards Itagaki gets more experimental and esoteric with his ideas, so you'll get differences in tone and shit here.

not sure I'm following

I guess Baki 'won' because he made Pickle use a technique, but how does that mirror his fight against Yujiro?

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baki actually lost that fight. its because he decided to fight pickle with nothing but strength at the end so he lost.

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I don't blame you for this misconception, since after reading Baki Dou it took me so many weeks to realize what Itagaki was going for in the story. It's sometimes super difficult to understand themes of Baki, and I dunno whether it's due to translation, or just generally writing or screening.

Your argument isn't really valid. Baki was treated just as hard. Let me remind you about pic related. I might be reading between the lines, but for me this always implemented that all these different gang bosses would come up towards Baki's house during night or day and try to beat him up, up until the point where he proved to them it's effortless. While they couldn't enter his house, they painted it in the following out of spite. Thinking about it, Baki probably had it harder than everybody in existence, since his Dad would beat him up like every 3 weeks while he was young (probably).

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>but how does that mirror his fight against Yujiro?
Yuujiro is still stronger than Baki. Baki himself admits it, but the way he wins is tricking his father with by saying the soup had too much salt. Yuujiro falls into his game and in Baki, Strength is not only about power, but impossing your will. Baki impossed his will by tricking his dad with the soup. Yuujiro admits defeat.
Just like Baki "was defeated" by Pickle but actually won in a symbolic way, the same way Baki won against his dad.
Baki won the fight against Pickle. The point of that fight was that they would use their power, not their techniques. Pickle felt he may lose in raw power and used his only technique. Hanayama explains this to Retsu.

Ali got shat on because he just jumped them without warning then acted like a pussy when they jumped him back. Baki wouldn't have whined about his injuries, nor would they. Doppo punched a guy in the fucking face with his severed stub of an arm.

Before that happened Pickle was forced to use a technique though, Baki got his shit kicked in because he felt winning with techniques against him was meaningless. That's the symbolic part in winning there.

Wonder what ever happened to that bro Mongolian boxer with the cute sister from the Max Tourney

thats bullshit and you know it. baki even stated the one standing higher is the winner. baki was knocked out cold and pickle was sitting next to him criss cross applesauce. i bet you also think baki defeated yujiro. dumb faggot
i hate how much people nuthug doppo. i was so happy when musashit btfo doppo
losing is losing. baki got his ass kicked at the end this is undeniable.
oliva fisted him and now that one gay midget in the hanayama side story has him in his rape dungeon.

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Now you're just ignoring on purpose all the philosophical implications (bullshit or not) in Baki which are as important as who kicks each other ass harder.
Baki won symbolically against Musashi too because he enjoys fighting more but I guess you would just say Musashi kicked his ass so that's the end of it.

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>i bet you also think baki defeated yujiro
Word of Tokugawa himself. He defeated Yuujiro. And Yuujiro also admits defeat but Baki doesn't accept the victory because his father is still stronger.
>thats bullshit and you know it. baki even stated the one standing higher is the winner
but in this case the fight was about using just your power, Pickle loses because being afraid of losing he decides to use his technique. Retsu just like you, assumes Baki lost, but it's Hanayama the one that explains to Retsu that Pickle was the one who lost, because in the contest of power, he used a technique.

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When did he fight Olivia?

Reminder this fucking skeleton can destroy anyone in the series who's not a literal inhuman demon monster.

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Quality is everything when it comes to translation.

Strong is beautiful!

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He got to cockblock Yujiro and walk away. But I don't really think we'll get to see him fight for real again, he's an awkward character to use.

now your just being retarded on purpose. baki defeated musashi at the end not just because all of the plates with food were empty.
oliva is my favorite black man in anime
>implying I take anything that the shriveled old faggot says seriously.
everything baki did, yujiro did better. baki used the .5 second punch? yujiro 1-upped him and used the .5 seconds to grab a hold of his son. I dont know if you have ever been in a fight before, but it is a lot easier to throw a punch in a second than it is to grab someone and sit them on your knee. Right I do remember that now. baki still lost, pickle could have killed him if he wanted to.
its a joke.
not so fast
pic related

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> Tokugawa said it's a win, so it's a win
> Baki lost the match, but..

I've never seen a post that contradicts itself this much up until now kek

Kaku could've totally beat Oliva. All he had was big muscle strength, which is what Kaku specializes in screwing. He didn't have the demon factor Yujiro did to break through.

Oliva would lose.

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I think he's being wasted potential. Pretty much any sort of technical trickery crap Itigaki can think of could be used with him, since he's already been called the ultimate grand master at it.

>now your just being retarded on purpose. baki defeated musashi at the end not just because all of the plates with food were empty.
Go read it again. There is a whole chapter about how Baki enjoys fighting so much he just trains while doing every day shit without really realizing because he's that much into it, it's not even hard work for him because he just loves doing it. Musashi on the other hand takes it extremely seriously and is unable to stop being a tryhard even for a second.
Hence why when Baki playfully throws the sword at Musashi and the latter catches it like he really was in danger Baki comments "I knew you would have done that" and Tokugawa's sister gets an opening to kiss Musashi soul out.

>I've never seen a post that contradicts itself this much up until now kek
Where did I said Baki lost the match? I said Baki didn't accepted the victory but he didn't lost. His father and Tokugawa accept he won. Another thing is that Baki renounces to the victory.
Brainlet
Baki won. He impossed his will, against Pickle and against Yuujiro.

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You're being a retard user. You're trying to defend Baki's loss against pickle but defending the Baki vs Yuujiro outcome. Just cope.

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kaku is a raisin pussy. he would have taken one look at oliva and ran away like the coward he is. You are right though, kaku would beat olive nigger. kaku would lose to pickle though.
you are right. i agree now.

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>baki won
try

Not my problem you are much of a brainlet to not get the point and result of both fights. Retsu assumes Baki lost until Hanayama explains him that he won against Pickle. Tokugawa and Yuujiro accept Baki won but Baki doesn't accept his victory. Maybe Baki is too confusing for you, try something more on your level.
Well, he did won.

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sure did

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That's what I'm saying he's an awkward character to use, you sure as hell can't have him job to hype someone but neither can you have him stomping someone like Sukune. He's pretty much stuck giving advice to Katsumi.

Glad you agree.

beautiful

You need your meds.

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More like Oliva the Jobber.

later Baki art is the ultimate pleb filter

kecc

He should've become a drug-addicted fighter or something after that. I've always wanted Jack to his own jobber buddy squad parallel to Baki's group of friends. He befriended Gaia somehow which is still really fucking bizarre to me.

Itagaki's early and current art is great. It's the "middle era" stuff I don't, lacks the charm of the earlier stuff or the refinement of the current stuff.

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I'm confused on Netflix Baki
Is this a sequel to something?

It's technically a sequel to the old Baki anime which came out years ago, yeah. It's pretty self-contained though so you don't have to watch the older stuff to understand what's going on I guess.

Jack is friends with Gaia?

Baki is composed of 5 parts, shitflix adapted the 2nd one since the 1st had been covered in the old anime.
They should just stop trying to adapt Baki in anime form, it doesn't make any sense.

It's implied isn't it? He brought Gaia with him to the underground and tagged him in after he got bored of fighting Sikorsky and let him finish fucking Sikorsky up.

Agreed

Vagabond Musashi>Fate Musashi>Baki Musashi

I wasn't recalling the Jack esplicitly told Gaia to come to the arena, I was assuming he was already there

Why would Jack even know who he is though?

meant for

>these guys walk up to you
What do you do?

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who tf are the fags on the right

Gaia shouldn't like Jack surely, Gaia takes particular care of his body whereas Jack continues to destroy his
though maybe Itagaki forgot that about Gaia, he's not exactly the most consistent character in the series

People from kengan asura/omega. Itagaki had done an incouragement drawing for the guys who work on that but I can't find it anymore.

Gaia in prisoners arc and Musashi Dou is nothing like earlier Gaia desu. Where's the split personality, the hippie new age mojo? All gone. People say that Araki forgets lel

>not exactly the most consistent character in the series
Him being the meme master apprentice came out of nowhere. I'm assuming it was just an excuse to bring him back in the story.

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ok, I might read it someday I suppose.

It's kind of baki without the philosophy and way wider mass appeal

okay so I won't lmao

It's a love letter to all sorts of different martial arts manga and writers to be fair, people too readily dismiss that just because it's pretty laidback and comedic a lot of the time. A literal Baku Yumemakura character was just introduced for example. It's clearly inspired by Baki but it is it's own distinct thing by this point I feel.

I wasn't trying to say it doesn't have his own dignity as a piece of work. Besides it's like comparing FOTNS to modern shonen

Would Gaia have been the more suitable one to bring back to "defeat" Musashi instead of Memetobe? Since Gaia was supposed to be the master of war and all, along with Musashi permanently being in a mental state of waging war on others. It is now really hard to believe that he's better at Yujiro at war (but not combat) considering Yujiro has since been established as a one-man army

Itagaki explained Motobe was meant to be the one dying to Musashi instead of Retsu but has he was writing his whole "I will protect you all" spiel he thought to himself what if he had actually succeeded.
So even if in hindsight you have a good point Itagaki didn't get to do what he did starting from that pespective.

it really is. i love itakgaki's current style but would like to see more gore like the old days.

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Everytime

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High iq answer

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What happened to Baki's bitch? Did Itagaki just forget her?

Sumo-dou is barely about Baki at all, I'm not expecting her to show up in it

but what about ali jr's bravery against Jack? Anyone who valued their life would have stayed down. He nearly died for his headstrongness.

Motobe was way too haughty with Yujiro imo. The other fighters sure, they may not have really understood how Musashi views fighting, they all do it for pride or fun, but to talk to Yujiro as if he's the same kind of child was just disingenuous. The man fought armies bare-handed, he knew exactly what it meant to challenge musashi and what would happen if he lost. There was no philosophical incompatibility present between the two fighter, Motobe was just so high on the smell of his own farts because he studies "the ways of war" that he failed to see that, and ended up sticking his nose where it doesn't belong.

Maybe Motobe didn't know about Yujiro's gorilla warfare years. Or maybe he took the boomer approach" ah the sengoku period, now that was a REAL war time" and discounted the rest.

probably the second lmao as expected of the meme man

Motobe was right.

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but how
yujiro and musashi are both beasts of war
motobe is pretty much a LARPer compared to both

Itagaki probably wanted to hype the medieval warfare as opposed to the degenerated modern one with guns and bombs and agent orange and napalm and operation Rolling Thunder and shit. It's Nippon strong boogaloo after all and it has a certain additional charm because of it.

middle era like NGB/SoO?

I've always wondered if those faces are copypasted

Motobe is the real OG come on.

It's just smart thing to do.

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>Motobe is the real OG come on.
well he almost shitted himself after denying Yuijiro, I suppose it had to do with being aware that nothing he can muster would've saved him, only divert Hanma momentarily. Motobe was compatibile with Musashi though that's why he was able to theoratically beat him.