Sure...

something that's in at least the very minimum somewhat consistent? something that doesn't do asspulls everywhere? something that makes ACTUAL progress and has ACTUAL character development? no one's expecting Shakespeare. you apologists/shills need to stop with the logical fallacies and just accept mha is shit tier even among shit tier.

>But better than MHA
Tfw you favourite shonen losses to manga for kindergarten.
>O my wish power
>O my loli
>O my 7 quirks

No not the fact that you can use other owner previous quirks.

seething

When villains attacked and kidnap students, people finally complain about UA endangering the students when they've been fighting giant robots from day 1.

Unlike OP, I accept my argument is a logical fallacy. The thing is, I don't care that it is since we're talking nothing but subjectivity here. Your response is precisely why I made my comment. You're demanding something out of a specific shounen battle manga that is simply derivative of the entire fucking genre. Ignore that this is about HeroAca, because while I like the show I've got pretty low expectations of the thing so I'm not seeing the same things you are as problems, apply your rationale to other shounen battle manga and tell me that HeroAca stands out in any meaningful way.

Based.

Doesn't make sense the royal family wouldn't know shit about it considering it's a power that can effect society

>people finally complain about UA endangering the students when they've been fighting giant robots from day 1.
Its almost like its a school training people to become heroes
>O my wish power
Congratulations you literally cant understand metaphors
>O my loli
Was established
>O my 7 quirks
see

While that is true its Bullshit that it suddenly works with Deku and only him. Had it happened with all might it would be okay, but Deku just did it.

VeG

>something that's in at least the very minimum somewhat consistent?
It is consistent
>something that doesn't do asspulls everywhere?
It doesn't

>something that makes ACTUAL progress and has ACTUAL character development?
It does.

I can't. Yet I still like MHA for what it is.

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>its Bullshit that it suddenly works with Deku and only him
Why? What would have been the appropriate time for it to work?

Not him, but when you look at the world they live in, training heroes with giant robots in a controlled environment is not all that dissimilar to training emergency response people of our world with the situations they'll possibly run in to. It is just on an extreme level we can't appreciate because our world isn't teeming with superpowers. Villains, on the other hand, are not part of the controlled training environment so, yes, I would say that would unnerve a parent or two.

Ojamajo Doremi

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>herokeks still defending O MY SEVEN QUIRKS
cope

>bad writing
That's memespeak for "thing I dislike" and as such should NEVER be taken seriously.

And the whole point of one for all is the accumulation of power. AllMight was the guy to give it enough to reach its goal

>The explanation is one for all evolved enough with Deku even though All Might had no quirk to mix into it.
>Deku finally using other quirks a year and a half after receiving OFA.
Hori obviously didn't have this planned.

Mx0

Everything you like is going to have moments in which the writing quality gets called into question. It makes no sense to single out MHA while praising yet another shounen as impeccable.

I just realized 7 quirks moment remind me of the vongole's will bullshit from reborn.

>controlled environment
The robots had crushed students, what if they didn't have a defensive quirk?

His Twitter says otherwise

>Metaphor
>Literally used to describe why someone with the ability to see the future didn’t see it right
No.

>I accept my argument is a logical fallacy.
>my opinion so there!
>blanket statements
nope. just because "but they did it too!" doesn't mean it's "ok" for mha to do it.
honestly the issue isn't even specific series in the genre, it's shonen in general. series that border the seinen-shonen line seem to have the best reception out of "shonen" series.
honestly it's nothing but a red herring to start going into "how mha stands out in any way", because you already brought subjectivity to the table. basically you're in a position where you can argue anything is an opinion and subjective, and therefore you don't have to accept any criticism toward mha, nor why it's shit tier.

>The explanation is one for all evolved enough with Deku even though All Might had no quirk to mix into it.
Why would AM factor into anything? Quirks getting stronger with each new generation is something that has been established since the beginning

>Deku finally using other quirks a year and a half after receiving OFA.
Again why is this bad? He started experiencing weird shit with OfA a month after he got it that AM couldn't explain.

>Bullshit that it suddenly works with Deku

>Bullshit Goku suddenly goes super saiyan right then
>Bullshit Ichigo goes Hollow / Fullbringer / Shinigami / Quincy right then
>Bullshit fuck this I don't need to type more examples this shit happens all the time because the HEROES get powerups in all these stupid fucking stories.

Hori has said he never expected this manga to last longer than 12 volumes, so it makes sense his writing took a sharp dive after it got popular.

>Hori obviously didn't have this planned.
Read slower

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Some cases of bad writing can be excused when it's outweighed by a whole lot more good writing. MHA just doesn't have anything impressive to make up for where it went wrong.

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>Hori has said he never expected this manga to last longer than 12 volumes,
He said he originally planned the manga for 30 volumes but realize he had too much to tell to cover that.

Nobody died or was hurt in those tests. They obviously have control mechanisms in place to keep it from happening. The villains do not have any such systems. You have to recognize that there is a difference in these extremes, which is why the parents got worried.

>It is consistent
it's literally not. the power levels fluctuate at insane levels, giving a lower class boss-level power for narrative purposes.
>It doesn't
it does. frog girl is the worst offender here, who pulls new powers out of her prolapsed ass to fit whatever narrative need they come across.
>It does.
you clearly didn't understand what actual progress is.

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>Some cases of bad writing can be excused when it's outweighed by a whole lot more good writing.
Not really. Bullshit is still bullshit. There;s a reason why people keep bringing up O MY RUBBER NEN because it was awful.

>someone says that something is bad writing
>it turns out that they just didn't pay enough attention to the plot to understand it or didn't like how it developed
Literally every single fucking time

Based fact poster

this

>the power levels fluctuate at insane levels, giving a lower class boss-level power for narrative purposes.
What power levels? The scale is still All Might and no character could match him at his prime.
>it does
It doesn't.
>frog girl is the worst offender here, who pulls new powers out of her prolapsed ass to fit whatever narrative need they come across.
She has the powers and abilities of a fucking frog.
>you clearly didn't understand what actual progress is.
I do but you don't.

It's a case of pros and cons.
HxH may have 5 cons but 200 pros so while the bad writing is there, the series redeemed itself with so much more good writing. MHA on the other hand has like 10 pros and 100 cons.

You seem to be under some delusion that I give a shit if you criticize MHA. I don't give a damn. I'm not defending the show, I'm asking the critics why their criticism should hold any weight. You don't even seem to recognize that we're agreeing on a key point:

>honestly the issue isn't even specific series in the genre, it's shonen in general.

That's exactly what I said, though I specified it only to shounen battle in this case because that's what MHA is described as. Most shounen is vapid writing in general, I agree, but what I want to know is what sets it apart that makes people think it deserves a higher degree of criticism. OP is partially right that "they do it to" is a valid argument in this case, because directing criticism to only one show while ignoring the others is exactly what you accused me of a second ago by being an apologist.

I know shounen is shit. If you're saying "all shounen is shit" then fine, I agree with you and we're done here. But if you're saying only MHA is shit, then you're wrong.

>HxH may have 5 cons but 200 pros

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I was completely fine with MHA until The Day of the Seven. There was a dropoff in quality after chapter 120, but it never went below a 7/10.

>HxH may have 5 cons but 200 pros
Imagine actually believing this.

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The problem with 7 quirks isn't that it came out of nowhere but the fact that it creates an excuse for hori to have an asspull. He could just give deku specific ability to help him get out of danger and people will defend that it's not an asspull because we know deku has several unknown quirks.

>Fans despitely try to defend bad writing in a series by using arguments about it being subtley developed the whole time
Every fucking time
>Ugh no, it wasn't an asspull; remember that one line of dialogue from 50 chapters ago?

>i-it doesn't count

>guy's power is shooting flames out of his body
>survives getting plowed through a skycraper

most characters even have superhuman strength for no reason

I think the problem stems from people being unable to admit that they just don't like an element in the story personally and deflects to it being bad writing. I don't like Bakugou as a character and think Hori cuddles him way to much but I won't say he's poorly written.

>but the fact that it creates an excuse for hori to have an asspull. He could just give deku specific ability to help him get out of danger and people will defend that it's not an asspull because we know deku has several unknown quirks.
Your point would be more valid....when it actually happens.

>Guy is in peak physical condition and an experienced pro hero
>How is it so resilient?

I mean this is a manga about superheroes.

>Wishing energy

Yeah, this seems like one of those things you can't criticize until it happens. I'm kind of hoping the fusion of the quirks thing has already happened and simply manifests itself not as actual separate quirks but simply the thing that helped fuel OFA to getting stronger, but... we'll see. Either way, 7 is the limit of how many times he could do that shit. If he does it 8 or more times, well you can sure bitch about that.

>low effort shit posting
stop being a shill. I gave you arguments and you respond with red herrings and misconstruing the content of the arguments. seriously, that child-level "nu-uh!" crap just makes you seem uneducated.
>She has the powers and abilities of a fucking frog.
have you ever even seen a frog? and seeing you go "nu-uh!" to everyone here presenting objective criticism towards this series makes me thing you're either completely delusional or really young.
in any case, I take those "nu-uh" arguments as you conceding to the fact that mha has shit and inconsistent writing. I accept your concession. have a good day.

This series is the new Naruto, trash manga that is for some reason popular.

He is poorly written though. At the start of the series, he was an irredeemable asshole who bullied quirkless weaklings and later had to be rewritten into some honorable tsundere who genuinely wants to be a good hero like All Might. Since all this came out of nowhere, it's inconsistent characterization.

>But if you're saying only MHA is shit, then you're wrong.
that's on you for taking it that way. it's unreasonable to expect anyone to go "mha is shit, but actually so is all shonen because of the long history of shit in shonen writing and..."
I don't have to mention "all shonen is shit", if I have a specific issue with this specific shit. that's just people being defensive for egotistic reasons. but yeah, we're done.

The entire ant arc was shit and full of holes. People will hate me for telling this truth

>I gave you arguments
You didn't do anything.

>the pool only has 5 turds in it

DmC

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>At the start of the series, he was an irredeemable asshole who bullied quirkless weaklings and later had to be rewritten into some honorable tsundere who genuinely wants to be a good hero like All Might.
Hori admits that he made him too mean in the beginning but his All Might worship didn't come out of nowhere.

>people arent allowed to change or receive redemption
Are you projecting?

>I'm sorry user for being a shit shill and a virgin
hey don't worry, man. the v-card isn't something you should go lose willy-nilly. meet that special someone and make it a memorable experience :)
and don't worry about the shilling. once you find someone, I'm sure you'll be able to look at the world a bit more openly and stop being so defensive over shit tier writing.
best of luck to you, user!

Read
>can you name any series without any bad writing in it at all?

It would be better if hori reveal other quirks along with black whip so he has less chance to fuck up 7 quirks thing.

>7

He didn't even do it the first time. Black Whip was mostly ineffective,

Redemption arcs need to make sense. You can't write Voldemort until book 6 and replace his personality with Jesus in one chapter and call it a redemption arc.

If you were to toss the fittest dude in the world through a skyscraper, how do you think they would handle?

There's characters in this manga that has survived having half their body torn apart.

I find the fact he added 7 quirks stuff is a problem in itself. Feel like he's just not confident in his own writing ability enough so he needs the safety button just in case.

>I find the fact he added 7 quirks stuff is a problem in itself.
Then you're retarded,

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I can't tell if you're being serious or not

Bakugou changed and reborn as a new person with chapter 10 and 11. And even in chapter one he has that scene with the cigarettes and his records that show the true core of his personality.

Madoka has literally zero flaws, its detractors are merely people who disliked the story or characters the author wanted to portray.
>T-THE CHARACTERS NEEDED MORE CHARACTERIZATION
They weren't that important in the grand scheme of things, this is just the 3949th timeline. And I didn't even think that was a problem when watching it, neither did the rest of the public. Mami got fleshed out enough as a big sis in the 3 episodes she was in without needing to explain everything about her life, we got to see and understand Sayaka's autism in full detail, Kyoko hints at a bigger world out there with more magical girls and territories but ultimately forms a short friendship... HOMURA, Homura was mysterious throughout most of the anime and it all falls in place with her flashback episodes. And Madoka IS a bland, kind girl, I don't even know what the people saying she lacks character wanted to see.
This is a story about little girls falling to despair and that definitely happened. Girls meet a magical big sis, they get to have fun with her, then she fucking dies and they find out being a magical girl is the stuff of nightmares... Sayaka still is too naive and decides to get into it. Yep, I can't sense any flaws there.
It being "edgy and just wanting to shock audiences" isn't really a writing flaw even if true. And Madoka's final wish is pure genius, while having a Valhalla-like ending of Homura just wandering through the dessert ready to die in one final battle to reunite with the rest of girls in the magical girl heaven. 11/10. It even has the perfect handwave for
>B-but why didn't they try X
by showing us Homura tried mostly everything and there's some karmic shit at play that makes the stakes bigger in each following time reset.

>can you name any series without any bad writing in it at all?

Bleach.

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chuunibyou

I'm not replying to OP. I'm replying to user saying 5 turds in a pool is better than 10

It happened over several chapters. If you actually read the manga, you would know

Fullmetal Alchemist

Heidi.
Marco.
Anpanman.
Chibi Maruko-chan.
Manga and anime for kindergarten has always been superb. But they are too easily disregarded by weebs.

sazae san

>yeah its shit even by the incredibly low standards of western capeshit, stop complaining that its shit you guys, let me eat my shit in peace

The actual amount of added quirks was six, fyi

I totally need to watch some Sazae one day.

Can you name a better shounen than this? The answer is no, you can't. The fight scenes are so much better than any other shounen fights. These fight scenes are written with brain and intelligence. They're very original fight scenes and don't follow a traditional fight scene formula in any way.
>JoJo is the most intelligent Shounen ever made

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