What the fuck was this? why did she said that? didn't shinji save humanity??? and that's his prize "you are disgusting...

Imagine actually thinking this.

>When Shinji starts crying, Asuka was supposed to say something like "Idiot No way I'll let you kill me" ("idiot" was removed in the storyboards... and the whole line was modified, eventually).
But it's literally what she says while Shinji is watching Misato and Kaji fuck.

The choking scene was not in that script.
Originally Asuka shows up on the beach, kicks and breaks one of the grave posts Shinji made, and says that line - in defiance of Shinji making her grave.

We can assume that scene still occured since we see a post cracked in half.

>Concerning the final line we adopted, I'm not sure whether I should say about it in fact. At last Anno asked me "Miyamura, just imagine you are sleeping in your bed and a stranger sneaks into your room. He can rape you anytime as you are asleep but he doesn't. Instead, he masturbates looking at you, when you wake up and know what he did to you. What do you think you would say?" I had been thinking he was a strange man, but at that moment I felt disgusting. So I told him that I thought "Disgusting". And then he sighed and said "... thought as much." He said. "I thought as much."

Everyone combined into LCL, she had access to his memories and saw him jerk off to her tits while she was unconscious

yeah, EoE was a wash, that anno retconned teh series with the new movies.

a better ending would have ben asuka laughing maniacally at shinji like joker did in the scene from dark knght returns to show how bad and fucked up asuka.

i always assumed asuka was just an evil manipulator who wanna see the world burn.

She likes to watch.

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auska said "you're disgusting" because she saw shinji bust a nut to her unconscious body white in the tang.

and the reason they were kicked out of the tang is because they were so unlikable that the hivemind of the tang rejected them.

Kimochi Warui isn't you are disgusting

I hope you didn't watch this in dub or something, in Japanese you can clearly hear the absolute scorn and disgust in her voice when she says that.

DUDE SUBVERTING EXPECTATIONS LMAO

Doesn't exactly square with her next line, which is why Shinji says that her always being vague is what drives him crazy.

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>i always assumed asuka was just an evil manipulator who wanna see the world burn.
No, she has self-worth issues because her mom cared about a doll so much more than her that when she tried to kill her daughter alongside herself she hung the doll instead.

Yeah, that line proves there's no affection. She just wants a doll who will give her consistent and unconditional validation.
Otherwise as she says herself, she wants nothing from him.

But then why would she exit the LCL sea?

ah, so she is a control freak then?

which dub?

Because she wanted to live as an individual and she couldn't stand being merged with others?
It's pretty obvious given her entire character throughout the show.

She doesn't want to be seen as weak, she especially doesn't want to be seen as doll-like, and she absolutely does not fucking want to be seen as dependent on another human being, all because of the impression Kyoko left on her. Despite this, she still wants to be validated by male attention even though none of her childish behavior will result in that.

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I thought she realized he jacked it to her when unconscious, was a key figure in instrumentality even if he didn't actually cause it, and then has the "gall" to feel bad about any of it. They did meld minds in the tang after all.

I farted then this gif shot out.

>finish eva with my friend
>tell him he should re-watch it in a year or two
>he says he isn't a brainlet and he already understood everything so he doesn't need a rewatch

I want to beat the shit out of him. There's so many things I pointed out that he never even realized so I know for a fact he didn't 'get' all of it.

Because he jerked off on her you idiot.

Because she found out he masturbated to her when she was in a coma

I bet what you pointed out to him you just read off the wiki and didn't figure out for yourself, you hypocrite.

>not making your friend believe Eva is a cautionary tale about the black magic held by the wandering jew

if the angles never came auka would have grown up to be a giant ddlg whore, right?

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nice projection there you absolute mental midget. I get all my eva knowledge directly from Yea Forums, wikis are for losers

If the angels never came Kyoko's soul never would've been divided.

People like you should be banned from making threads.

There's no reason to assume Asuka is saying Shinji is disgusting here.

Except for the part were he is sitting on her crying after failing to choke her.

Darling in the Franxx is better than Evangelion in pretty much every way. Most of the claims about “complexity” and “deep” characters are excuses for a shitty mech show with a nonsensical story that was popularized by flashy mechs and a good OP. Everything else about the show is garbage and the retcon movies are even worse.

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No one cares dude. Was 3 seconds of feeling superior worth typing that out?

Okay but does darling in the andysixx have cute ayy lmao boys and homolust? Didnt think so.

this

Literally not a reason. If Anno wanted it to be unambiguously her calling him disgusting, the phrase "kimochi warui" wouldn't be used. It's just an expression of disgust, not aimed at anything in particular. "How disgusting" is the perfect translation because it keeps that ambiguity.
Personally, I've always thought she's calling the situation they find themselves in disgusting. The literal end of the world just happened, because of the inability of humans to communicate effectively with one another. They are surrounded by incontrovertible evidence of humanity's greatest flaw. That's how deep the problem runs, and it's disgusting to see all the anger, lies, and self-torment throughout the series, previously mostly hidden for fear of being judged by others, made manifest in the Third Impact. And it's highly relevant that this comes immediately after the first truly successful communication in the entire fucking show. It's as if Asuka has seen human nature itself (which is, of course, also her own nature), and found it disgusting. But she's making progress, and Shinji's making progress, and with a lot of effort, maybe they can understand each other some more in the future.

>he literal end of the world just happened, because of the inability of humans to communicate effectively with one another. They are surrounded by incontrovertible evidence of humanity's greatest flaw. That's how deep the problem runs, and it's disgusting to see all the anger, lies, and self-torment throughout the series, previously mostly hidden for fear of being judged by others, made manifest in the Third Impact. And it's highly relevant that this comes immediately after the first truly successful communication in the entire fucking show. It's as if Asuka has seen human nature itself (which is, of course, also her own nature), and found it disgusting.
It could be this as well as what I said.

>highly relevant that this comes immediately after the first truly successful communication in the entire fucking show

are you referring to the caress Asuka gives Shinji? Or the realizations made in Instrumentality by Shinji?

The caress.

There had been plenty of successful communications before that point.

this bears repeating

Such as?
And I don't mean anything as simple as "one character says something, other character understands it". I mean a truly meaningful connection being established - nobody in Eva even wants those.

Misato and Shinji in episode 4, Shinji and Rei episode 6, Asuka and Shinji episode 9 and 10, Misato and Kaji episode 15, Kaji and Shinji episode 19, Toji and Hikari episode 20, Kaworu and Shinji episode 24.

Anno, what the hell did you expect her to say?

In case you haven't realized, Anno is a fucking weirdo

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The ending is happy, it's pretty apparent.

I once met a brainlet who thought Shinji ACCEPTED Instrumentality in the TV ending.

I wouldn't call it happy, but it is optimistic.

There are plenty of them, even here on Yea Forums.

But that is correct.
It ends with him suddenly surrounded by everyone else, including his father, praising him. What else is it?

That scene is obviously not meant to be taken literally.
If you actually listen to the dialogue as it is spoken, it being about Shinji accepting instrumentality makes no sense.

Only two people in the entire world retain their bodies after instrumtality. Even then Shinji tries to kill Asuka and even then he can’t bring himself to do it.

>Shinji isolates himself because he fears rejection. Post-instrumentality, he acts abrasively towards Asuka expecting a negative reaction since he embraces the possibility of rejection now
>Asuka pushes others off her life. Post-instrumentality she embraces Shinji and caresses him
>"Kimochi warui" is directed toward the entire situation being eery and unpleasant
I feel sick > How disgusting

>Only two people in the entire world retain their bodies after instrumtality
Not true. Anyone can, we just don't see it.

Shinji and Asuka don’t know that though

Why don't we see it then?
The scene hints that they've been waiting on the beach quite some time before having a breakdown over it.

paying attention to what's explicitly said is too high level of eva analysis for Yea Forums

>Why don't we see it then?
Because it would ruin a great scene.
>The scene hints that they've been waiting on the beach quite some time before having a breakdown over it.
There is an entire world, not everyone needs to comeback at the same place.

I thought the scene hinted Asuka had just appeared after Shinji waited for a long time.

because their relationship is the device the film uses to tell its message about the human condition

i guess the rest of the world doesn't exist because we only see tokyo 3, jesus think for a second here.

Then why did Asuka and Shinji come back in walking distance and nobody else from NERV or the JSSDF?

Not everyone will comeback only some.
It could be that Asuka and Shinji are the only ones to comeback from NERV, or they are simply at the opposite side of the lake. We have no idea, but it is not really the point of the movie.

Read the manga

I hate this board. The worst thing is, I know it's only worse elsewhere.

It's good to see that Netflix fags keep up the age old Yea Forums tradition of not being able to understand the characters of Evangelion.

Shinji rejects instrumentality (see episode 26), but lives in an apocalyptic wasteland for an extended period of time. He has a sea of LCL to live off of (see episode 1 saying it's highly nutritious) and as seen in the movies, Eva pilots age much slower. He has enough time to build a grave for Misato at the very least.

The experience of living alone in such an environment has made him a tad unstable, and when Asuka first appears he's not sure if he's still inside instrumentality. If he is inside instrumentality, Asuka won't react when he strangles her (as was the case when he was inside it) as instrumentality is your ideal environment and nobody rejects each other.

However Asuka makes an unexpected reaction, and caresses Shinji face. This demonstrates that this is indeed reality and Shinji isn't hallucinating. Upon this realization he breaks down and cries.

As for Asuka's final line, it was basically decided by her VA who decided to comment on Shinji fapping earlier to her + the fact he's crying like a baby. Hence how disgusting.

It's not. It's all the same continuity. The last scene of EoE takes place after Ep 26 (potentially long after).

False, 25/26 and EoE have been stated as alternate ends, and do not cleanly match each other.

>I saved the world so you must open your legs for me
Generation Z, ladies and gentlemen.

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Can't be said enough.

Read the OP again and tell me I'm wrong, faggot.

He did, or rather he had no choice in the TV ending.

Everyone congratulates him because Shinji has gone through all his issues and troubles, reconciled with all the others, and accepted himself. That is the point of instrumentality, to unite everyone.

>the age old Yea Forums tradition of not being able to understand the characters of Evangelion.
I'm glad to see Yea Forums is keeping the age old tradition of being filled with pseudo-intellectual breast fed faggots

>pseudo-intellectual
But that's the point. The characters are well written but the show isn't that deep. Yet there were always people like OP on this board who watch Evangelion with their brains turned off and then make similarly stupid posts.

They changed the line again?

because asuka is asuka, and she could not give a shit about humanity.

asuka does not care for humanity as such. humanity is not on her list of things she values.

also, asuka is not under some obligation to thank shinji as your question seems to imply.

personally I like eva's ending. one of the best things to come out of anime.

>breast fed faggots
If Yea Forums knows the secret to male lactation then please share, the manual method is too slow.

Source? Ep 25/26 is just Shinji rejecting instrumentality, which happens towards the end of EoE

Thinking about this again, it seems like this is Asuka in his imagination and not the real deal. But she still knows.

yeah, asuka is just anihilistic piece of shit.

>The characters are well written but the show isn't that deep
I've never held Eva up to a pedestal in terms of depth, but if not Eva, what is deep then? Not a lot of other series have character writing better than Eva

just because someone does not find meaning where you find meaning, does not make them nihilistic.

The N64 game had the superior good ending, hand holding instead of choking.

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So is it because of Instrumentality that she found out he jacked off over her?

I heard in the original Japanese it doesn’t translate as well and it can be used sort of like: “That’s gross/I feel gross.” Too

It’s just means she wants him to choose her and not be stuck doing the whole: “I think I like Asuka, no wait I think I like Rei, no wait Asuka, no Rei, maybe Misato.” thing.

She wants him to say he cares only for her and that he’ll be faithful so she can safely let her guard down and finally feel like she matters to someone

Its a bit ambiguous since Japanese is a context sensitive language, another common interpretation is "I feel sick"

Or could it be because they were both in EVA's at the time? Did they ever really merge with everyone else in the soup or were they contained within their pods?

shit cope from an asukafag lol

No one is physically part of the soup, the important things are the souls.
The soup is just what the bodies turn into without the souls.

Shinji respawns in the sea on Earth when he was tanged in space and Unit-01 drifted away.

That doesn't make any sense given she says "I'd rather die than do it with you" a few minutes later.
She wants to use him for validation like she did with everyone else in the series.

yeah it's running down their various failures to communicate, shinji accuses them of being misleading, asuka accuses him of wanting connection and validation without having to reciprocate in full with all the vulnerability that entails

>Oh look user is pointing out trivial things from his Chinese cartoons about children who fight aliens with their giant robots
>Fuck I should have picked better friends in school. Guess I gotta do the act again
>"Wow user, that's crazy I never caught that before. This anne knee may sure is something!"

Erai-raws pulled the audio/video from Netflix Jp, but episode 16 is a washed out mess of old video. Does the Netflix US version have the same issue with episode 16? Everything else has been the clean and updated video so far from the Bluray release.

She said that because the last thing she remembers about Shinji is him masturbating over her half naked comatose body, and now she is the only other person in the world and has to spend her life with him until the others abandon the sea of lcl

This is canon

Gainax lost the cells for episode 16 so it could never be remastered to HD bluray quality

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>Fuck I should have picked better friends in school
Different user, but all the anime fans at my high school, to my knowledge, have all just become normalfags. Its a shame how transitory anime is, both sides of the pacific. Makes we think I'm the idiot for sticking around watching this shit

remasters aren't made with old cels, they use the master reels of 16mm film hence the term, and they didn't lose them they were damaged in a flood

>didn't lose them they were damaged in a flood
Stop being such a pedant

He watches about 5x more anime than me fag, and a lot gayer shit

How was there an N64 game when Sega was so involved in the anime?

Did you even pay attention? Asuka already knows about it and even says she doesn't care. She also says it's the kind of behavior she expects from Shinji, which is absolutely right. Shinji would rather jack off than show affection to anyone.

Why are you still asking when when you should've known back in 1996?

I never once considered that to be the case until someone said why they thought that. Afterwards I can see how people can see it that way.

The only way it makes sense is how the walls breakdown, like the barriers between different people doing so.
I honestly don't understand how this mistake can be made, when Shinji says almost the exact same shit and comes to the exact same relevations in TV and EoE. Too much focus is given to how EoE ends on a much more dower note than TV on a surface level, despite them being essentially the same thing

>why did she said that?

He jerked off on top of her and she knew about it (Asuka said so in Instrumentality).

>and that's his prize

His prize is being a more self-actualized person. Relying on someone else's approval for his own happiness goes against his whole character arc.

Also, yes, "how disgusting" is an appropriate response for realizing someone else jerked off on top of you while unconscious.

Why do people hate 3.0? I just watched it and my only complaint is the final fight between the Evas, and how asuka doesn't tell Shinji exactly why pulling the Spears out is a bad idea.

>Concerning the final line we adopted, I'm not sure whether I should say about it in fact. At last Anno asked me "Miyamura, just imagine you are sleeping in your bed and a stranger sneaks into your room. He can rape you anytime as you are asleep but he doesn't. Instead, he masturbates looking at you, when you wake up and know what he did to you. What do you think you would say?" I had been thinking he was a strange man, but at that moment I felt disgusting. So I told him that I thought "Disgusting". And then he sighed and said "... thought as much." He said. " I thought as much. "

Because they are brainlets, plain and simple. 3.33 Is the greatest pleb filter on the face of the earth. It is legit the best Rebuild movie.

>Thinking 3.0 is good.
The only good Rebuild was 2.0.

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That other thread got archived, looks like this is the new Eva thread of the day.

So, are any of you fellas excited for the sneak peek we're getting in about a week of 4.0?

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Care to explain why you didn't like 3.0?

25/26 is him giving in to instrumentality. That's why everyone congratulates him. EoE is him rejecting it. EoE and the final two episodes of the TV Series being literally concurrent, complimentary, or completely different endings is still up for debate. It's never been set in stone and anything anyone tells you is headcanon nonsense.

That's some next level projection.

>That's why everyone congratulates him.
They are congratulating him because he learned to stop hating himself as much.

/thread

Among many other things, the timeskip was an awful idea, the switch in tone between 2.0 and 3.0 didn't bring anything NGE and EoE hadn't already explored, and the double Eva was retarded.
Also, Q Rei a shit.

Episode 26 is a joke ending mocking the "positive thinking can fix all of your problems" view towards the depression / anxiety that Shinji feels. EOE provides a more accurate view of how Shinji views and is changed by sex, and how he and Asuka are still fucked up people at the end of it all.

Shinji should have been given someone to fuck a long time ago.

shinji literally affirms his individual value in no uncertain terms right before that scene how could you possibly read it as a rejection of identity as a self

>The soup is just what the bodies turn into without the souls.

Has anybody ever confirmed/denied whether or not Anno has read Leibniz? That was the first thing I thought of during EoE, like the LCL, AT fields, etc. are placeholder symbols for monadology.

NGE ending seemed more like Continental philosophy.

>25/26 is him giving in to instrumentality.
Lmao, what a brainlet you are.

His conclusion in 25/26 are the exact opposite of 25/26, that you can be your own person and form bonds even if you get hurt along the way.

People are congratulating him because in instrumentality they want you to be happy, they don't care that Shinji broke free of it and are in fact happy he found his own identity.

You're actually right. The line is in response to the question they were asked, which was "what would you say/think as the girl in that situation" basically

It's based on the Tzimtzum in Kabbalah I would think en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tzimtzum
> The tzimtzum or tsimtsum (Hebrew צמצום ṣimṣūm "contraction/constriction/condensation") is a term used in the Lurianic Kabbalah to explain Isaac Luria's doctrine that God began the process of creation by "contracting" his Ohr Ein Sof (infinite) light in order to allow for a "conceptual space" in which finite and seemingly independent realms could exist.

why?

all it does is invert the original series

it's literally Anno laughing in your faces for continuing to watch when there's nothing left to say

take for example the "Get in the Robot" meme. In the first five minutes that joke is completely annihiliated. It's a cheap inversion of expectations and Anno is smart enough to know that. But he can get away with it "because Evangelion lol".

3.33 is trash on purpose, 4.0 will likely be better but if you understand the numerological symbolism of why 3 is trash compared to the others you'll know why it's the worst Rebuild.

I thought it was because she knew he choked the chicken in the opening scene and now is choking her in the final scene

Its his personality derp.
In terms of importance he is the alpha of alphas, being the pilot of unit 01, but he doesnt want to be.

She's actually saying "I feel sick" or "I feel disgusting"
Could be taken any number of ways. Really though she's probably sick from being pregnant with Mari.

>baby watching eva for the first time in 2019
This shit should be an auto ban

>being pregnant with mari
This explains alot.

I wish I was someone's disgusting thing

The only anime gayer than Eva is Yuri on Ice

and then she touches his disgusting thing

>never
Give it 10 years at most and it will be a trivial matter for narrow AI.

>and that's his prize "you are disgusting?"
>asuka is a insufferable character
reminder that shinji jacked off over her and torn apart while shinji was cowering.

She couldn't stand being second place to him so she decided to not become part of liquid humanity so she could bully him more.

>Darling in the Franxx is better than
let me stop you right there

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hey.. I liked that show too, until episode 16. but ... you know