Why is fanfiction so generally shit? It's very VERY rare to find fanfiction that keeps the characters in-character and has enough respect for the setting and what it stands for.
Is it because Japanese culture is hard for western people to understand so characters always come of incredibly OOC and plot is shoved aside in favor of ridiculous shipping?
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No, is because amateur writers are just terrible.
The writing can be decent in a lot of the cases, it's just the overall grasp on the characters that is so fucking off its ridiculous.
On the other hand we have someone like Hiroyuki, who made some absolutely top tier Type Moon doujin (plus that one 2hu rape spray series), but can't make an original manga to save his life
That's interesting.
It may be because he can only work with already existing material and is incapable of producing good enough concepts on his own.
>Why is fanfiction so generally shit?
Because writing good fiction is hard, and experienced/published authors usually don't write for free.
> characters always come of incredibly OOC and plot is shoved aside in favor of ridiculous shipping
My pet theory is that fans who lack empathy or life experience tend to project their own worldview or wishful thinking on the characters. The result is that the canon characters don't end up doing what those fans think they should do, so those fans are more likely to start writing fanfiction to get their fix.
Being able to write good characters is a big part of writing skills.
I liked Dragon Ball AF doujins when the meme was still popular. The story about the multiversal tournament was my favorite.
That theory makes a lot of sense, actually.
Christ, I wish people would write fiction for more pure reasons like creatively filling up the gaps between scenes in the canon story and character study over self-insert bullshit.
>he reads fanfics
That's not the same as writing a character from scratch, though.
You take an already existing concept that someone else created and if you understand that concept well enough you can elaborate on it.
Doujins are fanfiction too, retard.
Any fan fiction that is Dragon Ball related is awful.
Also ironic how his said shitty original manga got anime adaptations
>series about POW POW BAM BAM I HIT U HARDER
>good fanfics
Nani
I know. reading shitty fanfics is a guilty pleasure
>he reads non-porn DJ's expecting quality
You say that because the characters are put into situations not seen from their source material, and from that it's easy to classify them as not being in-character since the writer is forced to make them say things or do acts they have never done before. Bad/good writing distinguishes itself from there depending on how well the writer is capable on making you believe that's something the characters would indeed do and say.
But because of the pejorative label fanfictions have, they hardly get treated fairly. They usually get dismissed at the first instance of something you don't like.
Although I say this but it's not like I'm much fond of fanfictions myself. Haven't found any I really liked since most of them are never finished. Only notable one I remember is from Toradora, that developed a really nice "more than friends, less than a couple" thing between Minori and Ami after the events of the original series.
There are shitty doujins made by westerns too, what is your point?
Fanfiction gets its bad reputation for a reason, you know.
People are actively searching for good material to read, they literally have no reason to drop a story easily, that's what they came there for.
So no, it's not because fanfics are being mistreated, its because most of them are fucking shit for the reasons already specified in this thread.
So what are you trying to say exactly ? You made a thread just to say the same thing everyone and their mothers already said and know ? That fanfiction is indeed shit in general ? The misunderstanding of characters come from subjectivity. Both in the writer and reader case. There's nothing to discuss beyond that point.
If I ever published something popular enough I would read every single fanfic. Even the Yaoi, the cringest stuff,Highschool and Coffee Shop AU, and all the smut.I'd use google translate for the one's in other languages too. All of them. That's the dream.
This thread is for discussing why it's generally shit.
So far you're the only one defending it completely like you're completely detached from reality.
No, judging if fanfiction is good or not is not subjective, jfc. You're actually required to be as objective as possible in order not to fall into a self-insert situation and lose your grasp on the characters completely.
Sounds like a good way to lose your mind.
>completely detached from reality
Oh so you're just looking for people to piggyback your argument and feel good about your own truth. You made that thread after you found a really shitty fanfiction and got irritated at it huh. You're a pretty boring person.
Which franchise has the absolute worst fanfics?
kill yourself
Kek, I can tell you're a woman for attacking straight at me as a person even though that has nothing to do with what we're discussing.
Keep on seething, I bet you wrote shit stories and people said it was OOC as shit so you REEEEEEEEEEEE'd at them and then told yourself that it's fine because enjoying fanfiction is a subjective experience, huh?
Hetalia. Shitty anime mixed with a terrible fanbase and you get a cocktail for absolutely terrible fanfics
Oh no is it your favorite one?
>porn from an artist on the verge of going pro or an actual pro
>some internet rando writing about lesbian idols finding Jesus
Gee, I wonder which one people on Yea Forums will look down on you for reading.
No, I write fanfics
Pretty sure that's the worst cocktail right there
>bad fanbase
>shitty anime
And I'll personally add
>old as fuck franchise from the depth of anime internet cringe back in early 2000's
Is there such a thing as an actual good NGE fanfic? I would imagine that'd be the most hard if not nearly impossible to accomplish.
EoE
Because right from the get go you know that what youre reading isnt “true” which means the immersion and suspension of disbelief is a lot hrder to maintain. If a character doesnt behave normally in the official show its harder to notice than in fanfiction. In fanfiction if you dont nail the character people will always be bothered by this gap. This extra hurlde plus fanfiction amateurs being generally shit means 99% of fanfiction is terrible and hard to get into
Heh.
Rebuilds and the manga. But actual answer is no, because Eva fics need to be angsty if they're going to be truthful to the show, but it's also the worst written genre. Always botched characterisation of Shinji, Asuka and especially Kaworu. Not just for Eva, but in general. The only decent angst fic I've ever read is r9k elsa
>If a character doesnt behave normally in the official show its harder to notice than in fanfiction.
It bothers me a lot more when canon characterization is inconsistent. At least it's easy to handwave in fanfiction: "This is an alternate universe", "It's years later and they've changed as a person", etc.
Because the majority of those who would take their time to write fanfics are usually seething losers who feel butthurt because the authors of actual canons don't write like they want. Thus They project what they think should have happened to their self-insert in their shitty fanfics.
Im not saying its unnoticeable, just saying that the official medium gives it an air of credibility that fanfiction cant.
if it was that hp fanfics would be good
>It bothers me a lot more when canon characterization is inconsistent.
If it happens in canon, sadly it is canon.
Sometimes it's a one thing where the mangaka realizes they fucked up and puts said character back on track and other times that character is fucking ruined forever.
That's why interaction between creator/fans is so important.
of all franchises in general? Sonic. if you don't believe me ask on Yea Forums about Sonic fanfics.
But a very good chunk of HP stories ARE good.
Maybe because they're often written by 14 year old fangirls who disregard any character traits and rewrite them to feed their shipping fantasies
Because writing is hard? And honestly most people that write fanfiction want to shape it to their tastes, not make an objectively good story
I'm not going near Sonic fanfics even with a 10 foot pole.
I don't read fanfics(don't want to go down the rabbit hole),what would be the best ones?
Used to be into it because of the concept of personified stereotypes/parodying country relations but the fujoshi heavy fandom irked me to no end
No.
Especially if it's written by a guy.
There's at least one fanfic out there that's good enough to singlehandedly redeem the entire HP universe. So much better than anything Rowling could produce.
is there an anime/manga fanfic longer than this one based on the world of smash bros?
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this shit has more than 4 million words. In comparison King James' bible "only" contains 783k words.
come on. don't you want to read a sonic the sissyhog erotic fanfic written by some autistic Yea Forumstard?
They aren't good, they are BETTER than the source material, but that is a way too low bar.
I'm more bothered by the fact that this person has been writing this shit for 10 FUCKING YEARS
How do you even keep being interested after 10 fucking years?
m.fanfiction.net
This is by far, the best I've read
I found this some time ago. Is it good? Hell if I know, I'm not gonna bother reading all that shit, it is probably longer than every Index novel and side story together.
Why are people so bad at coming up with decent OCs
Why is every OC worst than the other?
I wanna read some enjoyably trash fanfiction. Does anybody have some links?
You're right, but as a horsefucker I have to disagree. Most of the stuff that's highly rated on Fimfiction is actually of really good quality.
We have the autist-advantage in that regard and I rarely ever read a bad MLP fanfic.
Because people who liked the actual characters and setting wouldn't want to make their own version. You only make a knockoff version to put your own twist on it
If I had to give you a serious answer; people do not have a the same opinion of a character.
I could write a character, let's call him Tom, and as the author I have created this character to have morals, flaws, aspirations, etc etc. Since I have created him, my take on this character is objectively correct. Now you read my story and think the opposite of me, you think Tom's flaws are his virtues and his aspirations are different. And so you write a fanfic based on this opinion.
Now anyone who disagrees with your characterization won't like your writing, because you're wrong about the character. It doesn't necessarily make you a shit writer, but you literally cannot appeal to everyone all the time.
Get the fuck out of here.
Judging from their information detail, I assume this person is autistic.
If you created Tom in a certain way, then people who claim to write him in canon should abide by the grounds you have set for him.
Not saying that you can't go with the 'No the author is wrong, this and that is actually his virtues!!!!' But then they can't possibly claim that what they're writing is in-character. And unfortunately there are a lot of delusional writers who think this way and excuse their writing with "Welp you can't appeal to anyone teehee" One of them was even earlier in this thread.
The point I'm trying to make is that some people might miss my characterization of Tom. And an argument could be made that perhaps the fault is mine as the author for not conveying my ideas clearly, or maybe that reader is just an idiot... Who knows.
I feel like most fanfic writers aren't trying to twist a character because they feel the need to steal someone's work. I think they just truly don't understand the character well enough to make them believable.
A la recherche du temps perdu consists of over 9 million words.
Trash as in terrible writing, or trash as in cringy
>I feel like most fanfic writers aren't trying to twist a character because they feel the need to steal someone's work. I think they just truly don't understand the character well enough to make them believable.
I fully agree.
Sonic: Make America Great Again is so bad it's good. Only thing related to sonic is the main character. Closest comparison is if Sonic was like Jojo but Araki smoked meth
Because anyone can make it and the sites you usually see all the bad fanfiction at are communities of failed English majors.
A good way to tell if a story is good or not is through the reviews, if you see most of the reviews are:
>omgggg good story
>update soon (in all caps)
>LUV IT
That's when you know the story most likely has the depth of a dirty street puddle.
Actual good stories receive well thought in-depth reviews because they hold actual substance that people can talk and speculate about.
>well thought in-depth reviews
Which you will never find on that website.
Depends which bullshit stories you read, usually the same people who write the rare actual good fanfictions are also the ones who give the in-depth reviews.
What do you suggest for good OC's?
Looking at the reviews, half are simple "I enjoy your story", the other half have a "deeper" insight, but not going too deep.
Most of them are asking the author to stop Touma's suffering, so I'd say it is on par with canon.
>writing good fiction is hard, and experienced/published authors usually don't write for free
There's a saying out there... how does it go? "If you're good enough to do something, never do it for free?"
Naruto, Harrry Potter, or Sonic.
The only notable one I can recall is a Warhammer 40k crossover and that's because it's so fucking bad that another author had to make a fanfiction of it to fix it.
Considering that is the longest fanfic in existence I'd say no.
What about Bleach
I'm really curious to what caused more of a fanfic shitstorm, IchiRuki not happening or NaruSaku not happening
Doing it for free occasionally gives you some sort of freedom I suppose.
Honestly I'd enjoy either right now
What is this unholy abomination
Link it
The only fanfiction I've ever liked is Gurren Jesus
ask on Yea Forums. cartoon fanfics are the most surreal ones
I only read fics involving pregnancy sex or crossovers.
does tails gets trolled count? it's a comic tho
I've never understood appeal of fanfics. Really, why?
you want to write something but actually writing a new worldbuilding or realistic old classical literature would be hard or tedious and you're bored and no one would care so... you write a fic about that other fic... I guess
You get to indulge in your fantasies about a series without having to work too hard with the writing. You can even get praised for it!
Because people like to play with the what-ifs.