Evangelion's new translator might actually just be an out-of-touch old fart

It's a seldomly appreciated fact that the nazis actually greatly loosened gun ownership laws in germany...

Is Khara gonna sub 4.0 by themselves? This is ridiculous. I wonder if they'll ever realize how shit of a job they did.

I wouldn't call the nazi's the actual left, though.

It took you this long to realize that the world is ran by out-of-touch old farts?

the nazis are weird a lot of what people say about them turns out to be wrong or misguided it's very perplexing
they were centrists rather than leftists
rather than left or right it seems something else drives the aim of gun control.

>something else drives the aim of gun control.
Yeah, Jews.

You know how smugglers use drones to transport drugs what if you did the same with massive the millitary drones? some of them are fucking huge and loaded with stealth gear...

What does that have to do with Eva?

Nothing, I was just idly cogitating.

not anime or manga. go fuck yourself and stay in your containment zone, crossboarding faggot

>EHY GUIZES IS THIS THE /POL/ THREADZ?!?!

>セクト (sect)
Finally it clicks to me why the Kerberos Panzer Cops refers to their antagonist by that name.

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My brother is watching it for the first time on Netflix. Will his first experience be soiled or is it just fine?

supposedly those subway attacks are responsible for the crows in tokyo
youtube.com/watch?v=po49Zsqct_c
around 12:30 onwards
trashopolis was a really mesmerising series,. many of the world's cities are built on old rubbish

Stop complaining, you four-eyed cronies. I'm in like with the new subs.

Did they really ruin Kaworu or is it clowns pretending they care about this show?

They didn't ruin it, but the word choice in that episode is weird

Stop it Hans. Your potential converts are on reddit now.

It is though? Literally only keyboard activist frogposters use it differently, I doubt webster has bothered updating the term for their great cultural revolution to call people niggers without getting in trouble.

nazis are third positionist they dont really fall on the left right system

Huh I'm not pushing anything though?
I just don't like to see the historical truth distorted it stops you seeing where it repeats it's like finding out hitler was a vegan environmental advocate...and the rumour about his scat fetish

They kept it "ambiguous" like the original Japanese when English is never that ambiguous. Then people accused them of gay erasure, and OP picture using "leftist" in conjunction with the alleged gay erasure has convinced many people that the translator is a literal Nazi.

LOL I know some of you losers never experienced romance at 14 but "I like you" is definitely used in that context in English.

>But the fact is that in modern English, "leftist" has such a wildly different connotation from the radical Marxist student movements of the latter half of the 20th century, one can only assume that the translator is not a native English speaker or has otherwise never consumed any English media in the last five years.
Ehh, I'm seeing a lot of contemporary radical Marxists talking mad shit about how they are leftists which is totally different from liberals. Even though liberals, centrists, and rightists would all say that liberals are still leftists themselves.

pretty sure he did it on purpose to trigger the kind of people who would, while shielding himself behind ambiguity. Which I don't care since Netflix can go fuck itself

Someone link me the scene so I can see for myself what the original Japanese is.

>no Fly Me To The Moon
Soiled irreparably.

You can read a discussion of it here
animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2019-06-27/japanese-fans-official-translator-weigh-in-on-netflix-evangelion-english-subtitle-debate/.148305
Yeah it's >ANN but the author is Frog-kun who's okay and not an insane sectarian like the older team members

Kaworu uses the word 好き when talking to Shinji
In the past this has been translated as 'in other words, I love you' they changed it to 'it means, I love you'

It doesn't seem to be an intentional translation because they also changed 'maybe I can learn to love myself' to 'maybe I can learn to like myself' in the last scene of the anime where Shinji uses 好き

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holy shit this shit means the same fucking thing

Not really, depending on the time and place the first thing that comes to mind when you say "terrorism" is different. In the UK for decades it was the IRA, in Japan 1996 it was Aum Shirinkyo.

holy shit dude, its a goddamn anime! You are arguing semantics and wording where the fucking subject matter in that sentence is terrorist. You guys are being too autistic over this. Its the same and the netflix version was just a waste of time.

>far-left historical revisionism
>by a wealthy multinational conglomerate
>whose goals align with the one world market of global plutocratic equalism

Every time I try to leave Pol, this shit just kicks me right back. I just wanted to watch pseudoscientific symbolism revolving a sexually frustrated autistic virgin. Why does the left have always have to remove politics from my philosophical train wreck porn?

Keep up the good advertising work. You've posted it twice and I'm sure you can link the same ANN trash a third time, if you really put in the effort.

I think its because you keep mixing in real politics with fake anime politics. Remember its still entertainment so changing leftist part doesnt matter since its a scifi.

If you say so, user.
animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2019-06-27/japanese-fans-official-translator-weigh-in-on-netflix-evangelion-english-subtitle-debate/.148305

wow. so this all ends with more shipping bullshit. Its not about accuracy, its over fucking shipping again! In the context of the scene when he says 'like' or 'love' it can still be considered ambiguously gay. When watching it for the first time you cant help but get gay vibes from the guy.

The article says it's not about shipping shit, it's about undermining the impact of the scene.
Love has more impact and significance as a word than like, no matter what type of love it is.
Like just seems weak and insignificant in comparison.

Stop trying to make this into a thing you seething faggot. This gets posted on discords an subleddits and gets ignored as it should. Keep it in your twitter echo chamber and don't waste people's time with your agenda-driven vitriol

You know like and love are often interchangeable right and in the context of the show it still left ambiguous. He could mean that he loves him like a highbeing loves a lower being, like Human to a pet. Or the way he was sounding in japanese he could mean that he loves him both gay and in a messiah way. Anno always does this, he leaves thing purposly ambiguous and that is the point of the show! how life can give you such ambiguous answers and you have to learn to trust yourself

>Wake up
>13 year old otakus that would make twitter threads about how Abe is literally Hitler if his party ruled in their countries making an outrage over a translation
>"JAPAN IS SO FUCKING BASED THEY WOULD NEVER DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, THIS IS CLEARLY THE WORK OF A BIGOT TRANSLATOR, PROBABLY A TRUMPIST, NIPPON KAIGI IS ACTUALLY SUPER COOL AND NOT ULTRANATIONALIST BECAUSE THEY JUST WANT TO KEEP JAPANESE CULTURE WHICH IS SO AWESOME, NOT LIKE WHITE CULTURE BECAUSE THEY HAVE NONE AND THEN IT WOULD BE LIKE MEGA RACIST OPENING A THREAD (1/50)"

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>Almost watched the Netflix episodes blind and unaware of the cut ending and complete redub
>Sprung for the Blu-Ray rips instead last minute because I didn't want to walk into my living room to use Netflix

If I would have known they were pulling this shit I would have started much sooner than I did.

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>note though that by 1996 セクト was probably instead supposed to be a reference to a religious sect like Aum Shirinkyo who were basically synonymous with terror in Japan
Probably this. You don't see any blatant references in NGE to the 60s and 70s maoist/communist student groups like you do in Akira or Jin-Roh. I would have probably translated it as "cultist" given the context.

People forget that around the time these episodes were released, Gainax published official artwork of Kaworu and Shinji hanging off each other and being very friendly. It pissed off a lot of fans and was made to be that way.

That's the point, though.
With love it can still be ambiguous regarding what kind of love it is, it's just the word has far more impact than a measly 'like'.

I have literally never met any foreigner who thinks Nippon Kaigi is a good thing.

REMOVE NIPS

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>"leftist" has such a wildly different connotation from the radical Marxist student movements of the latter half of the 20th century
But does it really? The only real difference is that one has gained respectability and is less overt about what they want.

>streaming
>especially on netshits
>especially when sephirotic cut exists

Funny to think that Nefllix Eva's subtitles have provided a whole new source of discourse. In some online circles it's mutated into "Hideaki Anno is a extreme right-winger who is overseeing the subs to carefully inject his political ideology into them" due to choices like that in the OP. On the topic of arguments and discussion in general I haven't seen any from people who are being introduced to the show for the first time, just fans upset at the Netflix release

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How do people manage to read right wing political themes into an work about personal relationships and humanism?
If anything I think the inability of the militarized JSDF to do anything to the Angels plus the part where the JSSDF show up and murder all of NERV is something that right-wingers would hate because it mocks their precious JSDF.
Shin Godzilla was much more political than Eva, but that was an indictment of the Japanese bureaucracy with a side dish examination of the relationship of the Japanese government with the US military, and if anything was ultimately quite internationalist.

>people shitting over translations
>not the atrocious redubbing

I know it's
>dub

but Eva was one of the few anime series where the entire main cast was almost perfect and they put real passion into it. Shinji sounds horrific and so does Auska; Misato is okay, but I still prefer the original.

I really want to know what makes people think that r*ddit is anything close to a right wing community. Is it some bizarre ideology or just mental illness?

people will project the beliefs they already have onto things instead of really trying to draw meaning out of them

From what I've seen Shin Godzilla is part of the reason why some people seem to think so. This spectacle with the subs in general is really striking a chord with fringe politics types to begin with.

>In some online circles it's mutated into "Hideaki Anno is a extreme right-winger who is overseeing the subs to carefully inject his political ideology into them" due to choices like that in the OP.
That's crazy, but I suppose Anno being mis-attributed with views he doesn't believe in isn't terribly new.

>people will project the beliefs they already have onto things instead of really trying to draw meaning out of them
Wew, you got that right. I recently stumbled onto a podcast where a bunch tumblr adjacent leftists watched UC Gundam and checked it out out of morbid curiosity. The mental gymnastics they used to try and connect their beliefs to certain factions made me physically ill.

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Let me guess
>left wingers think Shin was right wing because it criticizes the subservience of Japan to the US and shows off JSDF hardware
>right wingers think Shin was left wing because of its environmentalist and anti-nuclear message

From what I've seen you're pretty much right on the first one. I haven't really seen any right wingers criticize it, but a lot of the younger ones are actually pro-environmentalism now.

>a lot of the younger ones are actually pro-environmentalism now.
One sure wouldn't know it from all the retarded screaming about hoaxes and tax conspiracies anytime somebody mentions climate change on Yea Forums(nel). But I guess we're digressing.

>Auska
upside-down drunk asuka?

but it still leaves an opening to being gay too I mean this love like thing could all ne correct and we are argueing because of how specific english is.

What views has he been misattributed with in the past?

“Huh, I didn’t know Evangelion was on Netflix.”
>fire up an episode
What the fuck did they do to the voices? They’re terrible!

Why is it not a good thing?

What happened to Yea Forums subbing eva?

Last I checked we got to episode 2?

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some are better some are worse Adv does it better in the end.

Netflix doesn't really care for anime, they probably thought they could get away with it

holy shit thats awesome

has anyone notice after this whole metoo movement the quality in work has been really slacking?

Netflix subs have always been kinda shit, Baki looks like it hasn't even been proofread.

>tfw no one tanto'd gommies on live TV in your country so they're still around

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>literal trannie for Shinji
It's a meta-commentary on the fact that his boyhole is hungry for Angel dick, truly kino

Everything is like that. If you say "Asian person" today, an American is going to think of a Japanese or a Chinese, while a Brit is going to think about a Pakistani or middle eastern. Broad labels always have contextual meanings, and sometimes that meaning is just plain geographical.

sure it’s not like the american left is full of marxists and literal communists and they all behave like a religious sect

I know you fags think eva is deep but this goes beyond deep and into retard realm.

Why do you all care so much about the netflix adaption of a twenty-year-old series? There's been an adequate sub for the series for a long time. And really, why does there have to be a thread for this anime 24/7? I watched it and enjoyed it, but there's not a steady amount of new content being released to justify nonstop discussion. It reminds me of those Katawa Shoujo threads on /vg/ that everyone ridicules.

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Both dubs are garbage and "but I grew up on the first grabage one" does not change that.

You know you are talking about eva right? Japan has a bullet train after it, there is so much shit on it that merchandising everywhere and this is just japan. the whole world knows about this show and it defined otakus.

We stopped due to general consensus that the joke shouldn't be dragged out.

Sometimes people just wanna talk about shit, NGE is big enough there's probably a couple of nerds who frequent this board constantly thinking about it.

That's really cool and all, but why do we need to keep autistically discussing it just because it's popular? And I really don't think "the whole world" knows about it. A very large majority of people from any other country but Japan knows nothing about it.

can I get a link to this? or something i need to see this.

no dude this is a world wide thing. Thing is people actually think this show is deep and think they know more on a whole different level. Then there are level headed people who have seen it and figured it out and like to discuss it. It maybe our child hood but also you dont need to change it. I mean yes part of bias is truley nostalgic but they other part is being true to what was already made.

nyaa.si/view/1064791
nyaa.si/view/1064958

thanks brah

>Eva was one of the few anime series where the entire main cast was almost perfect and they put real passion into it.
No, it wasn't. Is there anything sadder than people being nostalgic for dub work?

I watched dubs as a kid, then I grew the fuck up and realised the acting was awful.

Out of touch old fart? Don't be stupid. It's some zoomer faggot who barely speaks Japanese and has to rely on a dictionary for basic vocabulary. Anyone who was alive and aware of Japan in 1995 would have immediately recognized that line as a loose reference to the AUM Shinrikyo attacks.

yeah it was, just because your life is boring when you grew up doesnt mean it applies as acting in context sounds like they are bored and are multitasking on twitter.

The Evangelion-branded pachinko machines alone have made ~$6,000,000,000. That's six billion dollars. That's not even counting other merchandise or the rebuilds or the series itself.

What does that have anything to do with discussing it constantly? It's really popular in Japan and among the internal anime fandom. Do we really need a 24/7 thread where the same explanations for the meaning behind the anime is and the same image of Asuka holding a watermelon with a smug look on her face?

Why not? It's not like there is a 5 total threads limit for Yea Forums and it's taking up a precious spot.
We don't NEED 24/7 threads but people want them and people make them. It's not like some mod or committee is deciding to make these threads

hmm, that number sounds familiar user

because there are multiple interpretations of what happened in the movie

>OP: informative concise argument with evidence
This Guy: Strawman fallacy

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Feels bad
Modern left wingers are insufferable

its not even left wingers its the faaar left, we are sick of their shit.

>Why do you all care so much about the netflix adaption of a twenty-year-old series? There's been an adequate sub for the series for a long time.
This is true
>And really, why does there have to be a thread for this anime 24/7?
This is newfag. There will always be an Eva thread on Yea Forums, every day. Ever since Day 1 of Yea Forums there have been Eva threads and there will never not be Eva threads not just for it's status but because it's still the highest-selling TV anime of all time and there's a lot to talk about it. It will always be this way

tl;dr Deal with it fag

>Do we really need a 24/7 thread where the same explanations for the meaning behind the anime is and the same image of Asuka holding a watermelon with a smug look on her face?
Yes

If you don't wanna talk about Eva you're probably better off on a website that wasn't made because some ugly bucktoothed faggot wanted to talk about fucking a high school girl without being banned from somethingawful

>you will never get to feed your paycheck into Evangelion Pachinko

Fuck me dead boys, why even live

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Yea Forums was founded because moot wanted asuka pics. You should probably see yourself out if you can't stand Eva.

I like EVA, but I'm not autistic enough to talk about the same twenty-six episodes and movie every day.

>mourning a shitty Engrish ED
The Netflix one also shit of course, but I skipped Fly Me to the Moon very time after Ep. 1

nice /pol/ thread

Just get the PS2 version. Because Evangelion Pachinko is popular enough to get licensed BACK into video games.

Then fuck off

Then fuck off

Just use the Chrome add on that makes it play Fly me To The Moon when every episode finishes.

>Gainax published official artwork of Kaworu and Shinji hanging off each other and being very friendly
Howard "friendly" are we talking about? Normal friendly or "overly friendly"?

No, they explicitly turned it to "I like you" instead of "suki". The first was ambiguous, the latter was not. It ruins a certain dynamic between Shinji and Kaworu's relationship. They went from being ambiguously lovers to explicit friends.

>ywn be a garbageman in Tokyo

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the subs arent popping up for me

No, "suki" as "i like you" is correct. You can "suki" or "like" a person or apply the same word to bowl of ramen. Japanese, very much like English, has a stronger word to express love for a person which is "aishiteru". It's unquestionably a correct translation of what Kowaru has said.

Confession scenes in Japanese often use "suki" as well, so saying it can't be "love" is wrong. And even it's not romantic love, Kaworu loved Shinji like Jesus loved humanity.

>They argue that by translating Kaworu and Shinji's lines literally, the translation gives fuel for deniers to argue that no romantic attraction exists between the two characters at all. This perpetuates a culture where gay relationships are seen as "just shipping" or "fan delusions" in media barring works explicitly labelled as "queer" or "LGBT."
This is such a fucktarted point to me. Wouldn't outright confirming that Kowaru and Shinji are fags be exactly what they are complaining about? By making it more ambigious and not spelling it out, but leaving room for such an argument to make wouldn't turn LGBT queers special snowflakes who NEED material to twist to their whims or they won't be satisfied with it. It's a completely bonkers, backwards point.

Did you ever watch Mai Hime? Shizuru was in love with Natsuki and thought that Natsuki only liked her as a friend. So her thoughts were "My "suki" is different than your "suki". It mean that her romantic love was different than Natsuki's friendship like, yet meant that the word "suki" would fit both sets of feelings.

>It's a completely bonkers, backwards point.
They don't care. They're just using this to try and control people and gain more social clout.

>like Jesus loved humanity
lol what a gay

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Cardcaptor Sakura had this same scene as well with Tomoyo to Sakura