So, is it a masterpiece or not?

So, is it a masterpiece or not?

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It certainly is Asano's most personal work, so I think is fair to call it his magnum opus.
The thing is, I don't think of PunPun (or really, any manga written by Asano) as a perfect narrative. As far as I remember, more than half of the manga was unjustified suffering, as if PunPun was some kind of anti-Gary Stu. Not that it makes it worse, in this case is better because it's like a way for the author to hate himself. But most of the time you are left questioning the plausibility of what happens to him. It doesn't help that Asano is an edgy guy that likes to put crude shit just for the sake of it.

Sure, why not?

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Yes.

It tackles some serious stuff successfully, which other mangas dont even attempt.
It keeps it realistic (with interpretations and metaphores given form)

Only problem is, theres NOTHING positive at all. Every bit of happiness comes with a catch sooner or later or the characters get straight up fucked.

Art is great.

I need an anime version of this. The studio that does the monogatari series would fit the style I think.

I'm on chapter 50, so far yes.

>I need an anime version of this. The studio that does the monogatari series would fit the style I think.
No thanks. Asano wouldn't work in anime. Same with Oshimi and other mangaka.

Absolutely.

Just in terms of utilising the creative potential of manga as a medium, it's amazing.

I thought it was funny he has the main character of his own manga, who is a self-insert, physically assault his own literal self-insert cameo because said cameo didn't like a manga that another different self-insert made.

Basically summarises the entirety of Punpun.

it´s great but the last third drama´s was sometimes over the top and club pegasus was most of the time annoying.

Yes, got me fucked up and I never wanna read it ever again

it only has to be a masterpiece for me. Reading it for the first time gave me important clarity for my life. What are stories for right?

>Only problem is, theres NOTHING positive at all
that's the point of the manga. and the infinite calm that you get at the end when finally punpun can be at ease. I don't agree that this manga is a masterpiece though

try thinking for yourself.

>punpun can be at ease
if you say so

It's literally just a more whiny and edgy copy of Catcher in the Rye in which the main character is an unlikeable fucktard and the only conflict in the story is how fucking depressing life is.

The people who call this shit a masterpiece is people who are as equally mentally broken as the main character and can't shut the fuck up about how "real" it is.

I can respect the craftmanship and creativity of the visuals but the story is mediocre at best.

It might not be a masterpiece but it is exceedingly unique. Try searching for a manga similar to this one - you won't find any.

Most of the manga is increidlbe, but the ending is garbage. The whole "and the cycle begins anew.." bit is stupid and unnecesary, and Punpun didn't get repercussion for his actions except living, which Asano said is his bad ending (which is really stupid)

It hovers above mediocre. Nijigahara Holograph is Asano's best and closest to a masterpiece.

Exactly the opposite, Nijigahara Holograph was the most pretentious trash Asano has ever made, trying too hard to be deep and crude.

When you start saying an anime adaptation is impossible the anime industry is going to turn around and surprise you.

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This has become the most meaningless reply in these threads. All of his work is tryhard, pretentious trash. The fact is that NH is the best of these.

Not really. I know most of his work is kinda pretentious, but NH just exceeds it. It has no clear message with the loose plot (of course, with the crude scenes and asshole characters here and there), most of the time you read the characters give some kind of philosophical speech that leads to nothing.

And all builds up to a climax that does not deliver. And then you are left more clueless than at the beginning.

PunPun is his superior work because is the most personal work he ever done. It was a mean to self-deprecation.
Nijigahara instead builds up to nothing.

You're supposed to read it a few times. Some of the clues are in the names. The biggest giveaways are the little fairy tale about the monster and the last lines of the prologue. I don't particularly like Asano, but this is easily his best effort.
>PunPun is his superior work because is the most personal work he ever done.
This is also meaningless.

>This is also meaningless.
The fact that is the most personal work gives it artistic value, and expresiveness. It makes it stand out as, at least here, all the asshole characters and constant bitterness actually have a reason. You could even say PunPun is a semi-autobiography.

>You're supposed to read it a few times.
I did. I could connect the dots and everything, but the message was unclear. And everytime I hear someone talk about it they mention that is a work about the dark side of human nature (which would actually be meaningless as Asano does this in EVERY SINGLE WORK), about some aspects of Taoism (which end up being loosely related to the story), and anxiety/depression (less evident and in the same way, less relevant). It does not seem to make a cohesive message.

It's pretty good. It's relatable at parts.

its good but there should be a version that cuts all the cult shit out, otherwise it would be up there among the greats

Interesting how bestial we are.

What makes a masterpiece anyway? I like Punpun, is a depressing and yet wholesome story that doesn't bring you a perfect character to self insert but you find yourself feeling Punpun too relatable for your own good. The parallels between characters are good, the fucked up developments too, even the cult makes sense after Punpun kills god. So, I still don't know if there is a check-list for something to be a masterpiece, but I won't bother playing that game. Punpun is good, is worth the reading and the discussion.

>dude I'm depressed let me ruin this girl's life so I feel something lmao.

>about the dark side of human nature
>which would actually be meaningless as Asano does this in EVERY SINGLE WORK
NH is a concentrated version of this theme, which is part of what makes it special.
>It does not seem to make a cohesive message.
It does. All of that extra stuff (Taoism, the butterflies, the Kudan, repeating panels) is in aid of the main idea.
>You could even say PunPun is a semi-autobiography.
I said the "personal" aspect is meaningless because the way Asano writes, all of his work is very personal. Also, a lot of Punpun felt experimental (writing in things to get a rise out of his readers), not so much personal.

I don't think it's a masterpiece but I personally really enjoyed it.

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This. Holograph was a bunch of mediocrity

Yes it is his best work and even if it has flaws, overall it fucked me up and made me sob like a little girl more than most other manga because even if it's exaggerated as fuck I bet many can relate to the dark thoughts that assault pun pun's mind and feel ashamed and pathetic. Not many works have made me feel those particular emotions.

If so, then Punpun was prolonged mediocrity.

>I need someone to validate an opinion