How come real life japanese editors dont tell authors off when they write really dumb stuff? Like 95% of isekai series?
There should be a series where you have an editor that's like Gordon Ramsey and he has to deal with retarded authors that are clearly references to series like death march, re:monster, etc.
Pretty dumb idea. Rejected.
Most isekai series start as web novels which don't have editors, just some dude writing a story and then they get picked up by a publishing company and given an editor (whose job is pretty much rewriting the novel).
Because editors somehow manage to be dumber than those authors.
95% of isekai stories are just published web fiction. Publishing companies don't care because it makes them dosh. You're basically just taking something with a pre-existing fanbase and turning it into a book format so that you get near guaranteed sales.
Editors don't really do much for these stories other than tell the author to work and sometimes just have to write parts of it themselves. As you might expect, web fiction authors tend not to have the most consistent work ethics.
why isnt this a thing in the west? you dont see western publishers searching for and picking up shitty WNs.
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You only become an editor when you fail as an author.
isekai readers have no standards and read it anyway
the editors are the ones who tell them to write the dumb stuff because it sells
Eh, they probably do
Isekai sells, you know? Generally, they care about selling more than making good manga, I'm sure.
It does. Kind of.
50 Shades of Gray was originally a piece of Twilight fanfiction. Mortal Instruments was written by a Harry Potter fanfic writer. There's a few others that are basically just fanfics with the names changed.
The west doesn't really do this because:
1. They don't really have a streamlined publishing infrastructure like japan does
2. Nobody buys books anymore so there's no real market to exploit
3. Majority of western WNs don't have nearly enough of a following to justify the publishing and distribution costs
4. The only reason why this is being done is because publishing companies are exploiting the isekai fad and profiting off of it, when isekai dies down this will too
They do, though. The reason isekais are all the same is because they're pretty much mostly rewritten by editors following a safe money making formula.
Nip web novels usually have big enough fanbases that justify getting a novel published because they have assured dosh
Western web fiction usually doesn't have that many fans, and even if they do they aren't the kind of fans that would buy a serialized version of it
The closest thing I can think on the west is something like RBWY that started as a youtube series and ended up getting a deal with Netflix and some nip company
I don't think editors have as much power as you think you do. If said author still wants to write dumb shit after being advised to fix his script a few times, the editor ultimately can just shrug and begrudgingly accept it.
As various people already said 90% sure its the editors pushing for stupid shit
Any new or insteresting idea will most likely be considered too risky or "niche" to publish
but isekai is the ultimate genre and it will never die
>As various people already said 90% sure its the editors pushing for stupid shit
No. No it really isn't.
I say this as someone who reads WNs, as in the original web fiction that the published LNs are based off of with no editors whatsoever and they're just as derivative. Web fiction writers are hacks, there's no editors involved, they do it for e-fame and likes which is why they copy each other so often.
I've read enough web novels to tell you that the narrative of "muh poor author is shackled down by his editor" is full of shit. Most of these guys are just awful writers.
They all just want their shot at fame and fortune so they copy each other hoping that they can replicate each other's success. Editors and publishers don't give a shit about how niche it is because the author already has a pre-existing fanbase, so they're even less inclined to change anything lest they start pissing off the fans.
>Any new or insteresting idea will most likely be considered too risky or "niche" to publish
Yeah, and that's why "I reincarnated as a vending machine" got published right
It's already dying. Nobody likes it anymore so now it's all parodies of parodies.
Most isekai comes from naoru where every dumb teen could write and publisher only pick one that's popular enough, no matter how retarded the premise may be.
The editors just too often make bad decisions while fixing other legitimate problems.
Editors often make it worse desu. Looks at vermilion.
isekai was written by webnovelists who didn't have an editor when writing their shit since it's a webnovel
LN usually comes when the webnovel already has a fanbase so there's no point in overhauling the story (though they do add fanservice into it and trim the edges).
manga are webmanga which probably does have some editors but don't except something on the level of jump editors
and the studio is probably a studio that is looking for bottom of the barrel shit so they don't have to work as much for money
but the elevens like the same copy pasted shit.
why do japanese WNs have big enough fanbases, but not western ones?
you 'd need a central website where pretty much everyone publishes their original web novels and get publishers interested in it. this will never happen because the international and decentralized nature of western webfiction, if you write something there's even a question of which website to publish it on(webfiction, fanfiction, royalroad, archiveofourown, scribblehub, wattpad, ect.) or if you should just make your own website instead and advertise it on social media
japan's relative isolation on the web and linguistically can keep everything close knit and in country. publishing houses have branches dedicated to finding popular stuff on narou to pick up and publish as light novels. because the domestic nature of it all a novel that's popular on the web in japan can generally be assumed to be popular if it was published in japan making it a lower risk investment than the normal completely unknown writer who submits their novel to various publishers hoping one of them approves it.
I remember hearing that the main/only girl was changed to needing to be rescued instead of saving herself. And why did the WN translations stop?
westerners dont read
>LoTR
>Harry Potter
*americans don't read
You are in American-created imageboard.
>imageboard
if only it were a textboard
Japs do tell them off during interviews/sales pitches. That said, once it starts getting published, it becomes more important that shit comes out on time. If the product starts to fail, they simply tell the creator to end it and look for something to replace it.
You forgot about fanfiction?
Because shousetsuka ni narou became big when other fanfiction sites shut down in a suspicious manner so everyone simply moved over there. It became so big that now as you can a single fan fiction website dictates otaku trends and what gets adapted into anime. Pretty crazy when you think about it.
Yeah, and then after that editor turn away trash series, those authors later get serialized somewhere else and said trash series become top seller. Our editor can only pulls out his hair in disbelief, he couldn't believe how low the general audience's standard has become