WHAT

no, think of it like you were coming out of a dream, and that dream included a guy you know jacking off over you. when you wake up the dream is hazy but for some reason you have a strong disgust of that person.
thats what happened with auska. She lost her human form when in the lcl soul gathering, then when she returned her human mind was brought back. Logic didnt matter in the lcl soul gathering, it was all bliss, something the normal human mind couldnt handle.

>that ending
I'm a fucking brainlet even though I saw the movie 3 years ago
So is everybody dead?

It's also ambiguous if she was referring to this, or the fact she had to and could so easily get Shinji to stop just by showing him some affection.There's also an element of just getting off a rollercoaster where you vomited out half your guts.

Anno really is the master. Says so fucking much with so little.

the reason its over the jack off scene is because The original japanese VA for auska asked why auska says this. He replied that imagine you just learned that some one jacked off over your body, how would you feel? only for her to reply, disgusting, to that anno replies again with I thought so.

easy there bro. Anno being posted as a master is a meme. Anno chose the name of the series because it sounded complicated and cool. That was it.

>being this much of a brainlet

dude, thats what happened.

>Anno being posted as a master is a meme. Anno chose the name of the series because it sounded complicated and cool

Even if this is true the fact that you're posting it shows how much of a pleblet your really are

>Anno choosing a title because he thinks it sounded cool completely overwrites any of the actual great direction, cinematography and writing present in the show

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man you can point out all the religious symbolism and psychoanalysis as much as you want but at the time when this was produced this is what he meant.
This hasnt changed the past 25 years less considering this happens in EoE.

he shouldnt have answered the question like that.

I don't know, I feel she had a similar experience like shinji did, rejected final instrumentality and came back to reality.
Even if they all lost their physical forms their consciousnesses were still intact and projecting faux reality and given a choice.

Not like, entirely, they still consciously exist but completely connected as one entity, so you kind of lose your ego/self in the mix since there's no physical body and you can no longer tell where you end and where others begin (similarly in the show's original ending Shinji learned that existing completely alone where only his ego exists is a similar non existence since you use other people to reference and validate yourself. If you're the only entity that exists in reality, then you have nothing to compare yourself to and so you might as well not exist), but individuals who want to reject instrumentality can exist as individuals again and that's what Shinji and Asuka did.

It's the only way you can have an ego is to exist as an individual BUT be surrounded by other individuals who validate your existence and prove to you you're real. If you're joined with everyone at once in what is basically a hive mind you don't exist and in isolation you don't exist. So Shinji made the only choice that preserves his ego and existence.

>implying you've never given a normie an answer outside your real answer for why you like something in order to hide your nerditity

dude a flippant remark isn't all encompassing

>I don't know, I feel she had a similar experience like shinji did, rejected final instrumentality and came back to reality.
I would agree with you but the thing was that it was only shinji that kept his form when he became god. I think the reason auska came back first because she was the only one who piloted an eva and she knew the horrors of reality and wasnt afraid of it insticutally

nah I thought that simple explanation was showing my power level. to go look this shit up.

that's how the line was chosen and recorded, but I don't know where Anno was going with the meaning of that line, if he's really just having Asuka remember that he jacked off over her catatonic body, or if she meant something else, regarding instrumentatlity, or even just the state of the world or that She was alone with Shinji, or there's a bunch of ways it can be interpreted.

then he shouldnt have said it. It doesnt matter anyways as long as the viewer sees something to interpret their own way the anime is still a success. Reality doesnt have to be so disappointing from your view point, it just is what it is.

>when he became god
Rei made him god and gave him the final decision instead of Gendo
He as god made the decision to give everyone else the choice
So yes, he was the first one who went through the process but I dont think that means no one else did

>tfw almost got in an argument with smoothbrains but then didn't
that was close

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because you are thinking as if the mind and body are still present. This happened when the souls were like in a big batch of dirty laundry.

Man, rewatching this as an adult makes things so easy to understand.

>waifu war faggot
no wonder

>this bottom of the barrel scraping knuckle dragger rhetoric
I can't stop smiling because I won't reply to you in earnest but you keep affirming my reasons not to

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She was talking to the viewer in this scene. It means you are a disgusting piece of shit user.

If there was no mind present no one else could have come back from instrumentality but shinji
It took an individual mind to make a decision to return to individuality
LCL was just life soup everyone was dumped into, the blender hadn't been turned on yet and would only have if shinji decided so

>better post a false flag so he can be wrong
ok but i want more pictures

here you go smoothbrain-kun

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Telling shinji self-inserters they're disgusting

well now I we are going into theory territory but I will give you what I think is why.
The mind and soul are two different things. The mind went away with the body, and took the soul which houses fond and negative memories that stuck with you through life. Then having that shared with everyone else. Now pull that soul out and it got some memories that it didnt want along with it that carried emotional responce. have that soul repackage in the mind and body and she expresses disgust.

more damn you

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What was the intended meaning here?

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good thing I didn't self insert as that whiny pathetic kid voiced by a literal woman and a tranny.

he was going through his chuuni phase.

most of your anime boys are voiced by a girl

No.

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Hnnnng

>Gendo says the same thing to Ritsuko
>Asuka says it to Shinji
>they both lied
Anno really hates humanity, huh.

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Asuka wasn't lying. It was the first time she was truthful on this subject. She spent all the prior episodes screaming that she didn't need anyone.

not in dubs, this tranny was pretty much the first dub voice of a male character over the age of like 12 voiced by a female in the west.

nah he loves it that he envies it. Needing to belong so much but your personality just cant adjust so you start to hate what you need.

It means it's time to repopulate

the thing is that shouldnt be a factor at all. and its sad to use the first in 'anything' for personal gain, ideally you get the part and you do it to the best of your own ability as an actor, not what the political climate right now. Its just opportunistic.

Yeah, probably was politics, and probably an attempt to have him voiced by a "man" but make it sound closer to the Japanese voice which was done by a woman.

but when i say that out loud though, why not? People go with what works and take advantage when the time is right all the time. it just seems underhanded to me because you are using something you cant help but be to get ahead in line.

>and probably an attempt to have him voiced by a "man" but make it sound closer to the Japanese voice which was done by a woman.
Then watch it in japanese, or better yet sound like a boy that is in the fucking script. Not a japanese actress on her free time.

The meaning is that you are a mentally ill shipper.

why are you reacting as if I'm the one who made the decision? I'm trying to guess Netflix's motivations for the choice. I hated the new voice for Shinji, and I hate when women voice male characters unless we're talking prepubescent children. Japan does this shit way too much and is one reason why I'll pick dub over sub because that shit just sounds awful.

>I watch awful acting because I can't take kids having too high of a voice

ok man i am confused here
because i am thinking here you are for the new dub because shinji sounds closer to a japanese actress, and now you dont but you dont like how japs do the female to male unless its prepubescent boys, but shinji isnt a prepubescent he is a teenager, and shinji isnt a teenage girl.

Fuck you, If you enjoy grandma goku's voice, you have shit taste.

Needing someone isn't the same thing as needing Shinji.

What argument are you making?

At least she can act.

right I'm saying I hate Shinji's voice in the new dub, and I was trying to rationale WHY Netflix would fucking do this and it's the only thing that makes sense.

The rest of the voices in the new dub are.. well they're serviceable, it's standard california dub, nothing stands out as particularly good or bad it fits and it's okay. It's average. If it wasn't for Shinji being voiced by a tranny it almost might be good.

that Asuka needed someone to confirm her humanity and budding sexuality and when Kaji blew her off she went for shinji because it was convenient

can you answer this for me because it sounds like you hate the high pitched voice of the japanese but prefer the high pitched voice from an american that doesnt bother to sound like a boy and sounds like a girl. Am i correct?

I wouldn't know, I always got a headache when I tried to watch.

She's disguted by the fact that Shinji's face is inbetween her mosquito bites.

That she was a mommy-issues whore who would be fine with any dick up her cunny, I guess

ok so you can agree that shinji was terrible. can you also agree that misato and auska in net flix were worse than the ADV dub?

Asuka was obsessed with Shinji from the first moment they met. The Kaji infatuation was just an "I want to be an adult who doesn't need a mama" fantasy.

Who knows. It couldn't possibly be that the world just ended and the only one she can call a friend, that she also hated somewhat, was just strangling her and then started sobbing uncontrollably

>can you also agree that misato and auska in net flix were worse than the ADV dub?
I haven't heard it but that can't possibly be true.

Asuka's "obsession" with Shinji is just because he is apparently the best Eva pilot.

Yeah some people would say the ADV version has cartoon like overreactions but you can tell that there is a lot more emotion in the other ADV version.

it just seems like he generally prefers dubs over subs since having women voice males over 12 in the sub bothers him, but in this particular case, Netflix's choice for dub VA for Shinji rustled his jimmies

That's not even close to what it is. Kaworu instantly maxes out the synch score and destroys everyone else, Asuka doesn't give a shit about him - she literally has zero dialogue even acknowledging his existence.

Except that thats not true, she arrived with Kaji, and tried to show Shinji up in order to impress Kaji.

>Kaji infatuation
Your forgetting the whole part where she knew Kaji already and he doted on her like a little sister and was getting annoyin by her increasingly sexual advances

kek she was just hungry for attention/recognition and Shinji got loads of that, that's all there was to her 'obsession'
get fucked self-insert beta cucktard

she preggers

>Asuka constantly trash Shinji
>The only time she behave decently wih him is when she craves for positive attention
>She use Shinji as consolation prize because Kaji went after the superior girl Misato

Why do people likes her?

Will kaworufags ever, ever stop seething?
It's been 24 years. How does the loss still sting this much?

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Asuka never meets Kaworu.
She is in a coma during his entire existence in the show. Why would she talk about him?

Because she's the archetypal (and unironically canonical) hot roastie high school crush little Willy can't get over

I'm not attached to either dub in particular, I'd have to rewatch the adv dub but Misato and Asuka sounded fine, the voices fit the characters and neither were notably bad. Unless it's an absolutely standout performance I'm usually going to notice bad performances over good ones, as long as it sounds like it fits the character and has normal inflections and emotional range for the context I just accept the character for what they are. That's why Shinji's voice stood out while all the rest I just accepted, because Shinji's was particularly bad.

no reason he souldnt have, no one intelligent gives a fuck about the title

Did you miss the whole last act of Evangelion?
You're going to be really upset when you watch the last two episodes

>Will kaworufags ever, ever stop seething?
Whenever Asukafags stop being delusional, I'm sure.

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>Unless it's an absolutely standout performance I'm usually going to notice bad performances over good ones
Get a load of this faggot

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>Did you miss the whole last act of Evangelion?
Did you? Kaworu is barely mentioned apart from the beginning of episode 25 and that is only in relation to Shinji killing him.

That's Misato you utter retard

Ouch.

Misato loved Kaworu?

it's anime voice acting, it's never going to win oscars.
about 49% of the voice acting you hear will be bad, 1% notably good, and the other 50% is just acceptable, nothing so bad you want to stop watching, nothing so good that you want to give the actor an award.

You're right, Kaworu barely appears in instrumentality at all, even though we see him in there: that's because no one gives a shit about him. He doesn't appear in Shinji's thoughts whatsoever.

Sasuga Evafags

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Mistranslation FYI. He does not say that.

Weird, she seems to change her mind later! See Kaworu's seems pretty final though. Ouch...

That has nothing to do with the argument though.
The argument was that Asuka only liked Shinji because he was a good Eva pilot and you brought up Kaworu. Whether or not Shinji thought of Kaworu is irrelevant.

How is it not relevant? Asuka never thought of Kaworu during instrumentality (despite his perfect piloting) because piloting skill was never the meat of why she was obsessed with Shinji.

I think you're right, the only episode that Kaworu was prominent in was 24 and Asuka had run off and went catatonic by the time Kaworu showed up, and she remained in that state for the show's end and only snapped out of it in the EoE events but Kaworu was dead by then, she was never introduced to him except for maybe during instrumentality.

See

I don't know if you noticed that was only meant to mock you because anyone can grab a screenshot with subs over it and claim it was that character that said it, but you are missing the point of that sequence by doing that.

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Asuka was obsessed with Shinji because they had the exact same thing happen with their moms. It was a rare opportunity to be understood by someone and to open up about entombed issues. Shinji being a mysterious "ace pilot" was just what initially sparked her interest.

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Asuka had no idea what happend to Shinji's mom.
She didn't even fully know what happend to her own mom.

The line was said by kaworu, you can audibly confirm it yourself. It also perfectly matches the line by Kaworu in the drafts.

Kaworu is an alien god who reproduces by budding. He has no concept of human sexuality. Your homosexual delusions are not supported by the evidence of the show.

Does anyone sane unironically think Asuka actually liked Shinji and didn't just use him as an emotional substitute for Kaiji/literally anyone else?
You delusional white knight cucks deserve every single ounce of pain you get from being rejected or cheated on

>Asuka had no idea what happend to Shinji's mom.
Re-watch Evangelion. Or just check the dialogue here.

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I only hear women's voices.
And drafts are not the finished product, things change.

kaworufag samefaggies uwu

No because every person in the main cast of Evangelion except for maybe Toji is a complete fucking wreck. ... and I can't really say for sure about Toji because we never really delved into his psyche. He's kind of a bully and that's maybe alluding to some issues but he did let go of it pretty quickly so maybe it was just concern for his imouto which is admirable.

She knows that she is dead, but that is it. But every one in their school has lost their mom apparently. And Asuka's mom being dead was never the problem, it is how she treated Asuka before she took her own life in front of her.

>I only hear women's voices.
There is a male voice that says that line, it doesn't line up with the subtitle because the audio moves so fast and the subs don't keep up. It's Kaworu.

? She just knew his mom died that day, doesn't imply anything else besides the fact that the scene clearly gave you a roastieboner

>And Asuka's mom being dead was never the problem

Alright, you definitely do need to re-watch Evangelion.

I don't hear it.

Then you and i would probably come to crossroads here because of what we deem to be believable in the emotional range when in context of the show.

maybe clean the cum out of your ears and try again

I think you do because you obviously didn't get Asuka. Which is probably why you try to ship her with Shinji.
>it is how she treated Asuka before she took her own life in front of her.
This part was far more damaging to Asuka than the simple fact that she is dead.

I have to say as a gay fan of eva this is just crushing. Why couldn't I have my fantasy? Why does the lore have to shit on it?

Asuka's mom being dead wasn't the problem, the problem was her ignoring her and treating her like a burden and then dying before reconciliation and then her father marrying an evil stepmother.

That is what happens when you watch dubs.

I think you should commit kyoko, kaworu spammer.

She's referring to the experience of being in the LCL melted with the rest of humanity

It's even more obvious when you realize it's the exact same expression she uses when talking about sharing bath water. Instrumentality is that same gross feeling on a much larger scale

Why do self-professed fans of Kaworu blatantly ignore massive aspects of his character?

He is not your gay fantasy, he is a god of a bizarre alien race. He says himself in Anno's own dialogue that he is not gay.

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Good argument.
I am convinced. Can't wait to write fanfic about Asuka shlocking it to Shinji.

hearing Japanese when I don't know Japanese and the syntax of the language is completely different so inflections don't match what I'm reading on the screen as I'm reading it isn't any better. Performance gets lost in the fact that I don't understand it, so the performance means even less.

She's talking about instrumentality, yeah
It's basically a one-word review of instrumentality. Having no barrier between yourself and others, no individuality, is disgusting.

>Why do self-professed fans of Kaworu blatantly ignore massive aspects of his character?
Ironic coming from a LASfag.

>sharing bath water with a 14 year old male

She was right about that

"LAS" is a bit of a misnomer. It's the canon romance of Evangelion, it doesn't need a special name

That's right, there's no helping a brainlet faggot, so you should off yourself asap

Would you reject instrumentality? Even knowing that if you existed in instrumentality you'd be eternal, but as an individual you'd eventually die and cease to exist?

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I am sorry you feel that way.
i guess because most of us arent represented either? Most of us dont identify to a common group that is known for something. I look at it like these people arent me so lets watch and discuss what they did, kind of thing. I try to take my bias completely out is what is ideal. This is a story about them, not me or you.

>It's the canon romance of Evangelion
That must be why their feelings for each other have zero confirmation. Unlike another popular paring.

Your soul doesn't stop existing when you die in Eva. Instrumentality is just all of the souls corralled into the Black Moon (pic related)

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Now imagine having to BE the bathwater along with seven billion other fucks

SEELE are actually such fucking nutjobs

get a load of this pretentious faggot.
do you stroke your dick off to thinking about how superior nippon is to all the filthy gaijins?
Ken-sama is that you?

Instrumentality is unironically the end-goal behind the constant cycle of reincarnation, so yeah

well what you just posted was a negative that invalidates the positive.

What about Gendo?

>That must be why their feelings for each other have zero confirmation.

>ASUKA [to SHINJI]: If I can't have all of you, I don't want anything from you.
(EoE)
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>SHINJI [to ASUKA]: I want to help you. I want to be with you forever.
(EoE)
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>ASUKA [most probably to SHINJI]: (quietly) Do you love me? (...) Do you really love me?
(see youtube.com/watch?v=PcXGgjyV4WA)
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>SHINJI: No one needs me, so they should all die.
>ASUKA [to SHINJI]: I need you.
(see )
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(lyrics)
>Did she promise you the world and did that
>>>Girl just throw your love away
>Leave you like a lonely solitaire
>With just despair for company
>Do you think you'd find revenge so sweet
>Make it so you hearts will never beat
>Squeeze the very last and dying breath from
>Everything you've ever dreamed
("Everything You've Ever Dreamed", author: Hideaki Anno)

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If it meant waking up next to a fiery redhead then I would.

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Stop posting your delusional fanfic, it doesn't help your case.

Don't know. He was in the TV ending's instrumentality

>This is a story about them, not me or you.
Which is a good thing, no one wants to see a story of a bunch of flaming faggots on the cross

what if Anno was the one who jacked off to Auska and he is so otaku he came up with how she would feel with cumming on her face. This sounds more and more of admission by anno.

okay so in this case when you as an individual eventually died, you'd end up in instrumentality anyway. The choice is only temporary.

>"There's no confirmation that these characters love each other!"
>confirmation cited from eoe and anno's songs
>"NOOO FANFIC STOP STOP"

kaworufags man, kaworufags...

Yeah but not seen in EoE's.

if they want that they can go to the bible!

This actually makes sense in an Asian cultural context, influenced by Buddhist beliefs. The end game of anyone's spiritual journey is to lose their individuality and their consciousness in order to eliminate suffering.

being a nip is worlds better than being a pretentious 'patrician' neckbeard critic

>confirmation cited from eoe
Never happened.
>>SHINJI [to ASUKA]: I want to help you. I want to be with you forever.
This one is called out by Asuka herself as false.
>>ASUKA [to SHINJI]: I need you.
This is your headcannon since Asuka never said it.
>anno's songs
Which was not used in the movie. Which means it is irrelevant.

when you die you die, souls seem to go to where they would originally go before the 3rd impact.

>If I can't have all of you, I don't want anything from you.
This is the type of girl who is insane and will latch onto you and then murder you. It was never about you.

>Do you love me? (...) Do you really love me?
Did I get him? Have I psychologically imprisoned a slave for my enjoyment?

>I need you.
Savior complex

>Did she promise you the world and did that
>Girl just throw your love away
See

>That's right, keep stroking my schlong like that!

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Guess she still hates baka-Shinji.

>>Do you love me? (...) Do you really love me?
>>I need you.
She didn't actually say either of these to Shinji so there is no reason to respond to it.

>implying she wanted to strangle her because of this
Talk about projection...

Thing is they kinda pointed out that each person carries with them the identity of other people they know, within their own identity, like their (incomplete only based on what they know) perception of the other person becomes a part of their own ego. So he might hear voices of the perceptions of people based on what he knew of them and carried with him, even if they "weren't there" really connected to him within instrumentality. Instrumentality did complete the perception though, revealing all the secrets and imperfections of the people he knew and giving him a complete picture of who they really were, their regrets, their conflicting rationales for why they did things, etc.

So who knows if Gendo was really there or if that's just Shinji's perception of Gendo, I can't remember now if he spilled out any secrets or whys in the things Shinji heard from him.

Meh, I'm bored and wouldn't doubt the autism here to transcript things said but not saved to script or subtitles

>Never happened.
It did.

>This one is called out by Asuka herself as false.
Asuka really has no way of knowing at that point, because instrumentality had not begun - Shinji was still 100% alive in the plug of Unit 01 at that moment, but he was speaking to some dead folks as a sort of pre-instrumentality. The AT field around his soul prevented her from verifying his feelings, and Asuka absolutely cannot trust someone saying that they love her after her mother rejected her.

After instrumentality happens, Asuka 180s on Shinji and suddenly is saying "I need you" and showing up at his side at Hakone. That's because the mind meld removed all doubts.

Actually she did. explains why, but here's another, further verification:

Did You Know?

The "I need you." title screen was originally placed in front of a deleted scene in which the camera followed Asuka's bleak existence in a world where Shinji didn't exist. You can read the scene here!
evaotaku.com/html/alteva.html

You're the one acting like a critic, claiming all these 10/10 oscar award winning anime performances that you don't even understand.

see that's the thing though because Shinji's mother was in Instrumentality, and so was Misato, who bled out on the floor after she kissed Shinji, Asuka was presumed dead, Ritsuko was dead, and Kaji was dead, but they all spoke to Shinji in instrumentality.

was that just his perceptions of them as part of his own ego? Or were they really there?

There are no "fake" or "imagined" parts in instrumentality.

>because instrumentality had not begun
The instrumentality of all of humanity had not yet begun, but there was still, as you put it, a sort of pre-instrumentality. That had the same effect as any other, because, for example, it wouldn't make sense for Shinji to be able to see Misato fucking Kaji otherwise.
>Shinji was still 100% alive in the plug of Unit 01 at that moment
This is not true. You see him dissolve in this shot. The point of Rei turning into Kaworu was to make Shinji take down is AT-field, which made him into liquid.

There is also the fact that Shinji doesn't deny it.

>Asuka 180s on Shinji and suddenly is saying "I need you" and showing up at his side at Hakone
Again never happend.

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>Why do self-professed fans of Kaworu blatantly ignore massive aspects of his character?

Because it's not about any kind of deep human connection, for faggots. It's all about sex.
He is hot child ass, so they want to rape. That's as deep as it goes. No understanding needed

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Title cards are not the same as words spoke by the characters. There are ton of title cards in the show and they are not meant to be things said by the characters to other characters.

Forgot to respond to the second part.
Cut content isn't canon. Just as with the song.

>was that just his perceptions of them as part of his own ego? Or were they really there?
A literal interpretation of instrumentality would be the latter. But if you want to go for a more 'beneath-the-surface' kind of Anno-meaning, the former might be possible. Just allow a little more and all of a sudden it isn't that crazy to speculate about whether a lot of the events in the series really happened or were just figments of imagination in Shinji's mind (a related question is whether the Eva universe is cyclic/movie reboots are just the universe restarted)

well I hate to use a biblical thing but often times the soul is returned to the soil until the rapture. I forget how it is in greater detail, but you did notice before Ritsuko died she saw a floating rei before she died. Seems to me that the souls are taken from time and space. You know the power of a an all knowing powerful god.

Traps are disgusting.

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>That had the same effect as any other, because, for example, it wouldn't make sense for Shinji to be able to see Misato fucking Kaji otherwise.
It was one-way. How is this hard to understand? We see Shinji screaming in the plug afterwards. He is 100% alive, aka NOT tang, aka he has an AT field, aka no one can access his soul. The dead people (like Asuka, Misato and Kaji) didn't have AT fields.

>This is not true. You see him dissolve in this shot.
No, we see him screaming in the plug afterwards. Shinji tangs at the conclusion of the kitchen scene when God-Rei manifests and begins taking souls. Go re-watch EoE.

>Again never happend.
It did, sorry. You are literally delusional. You're stomping your feet and crying "NO!! NO!!" to something I've provided copious evidence for now.

how could there not be, when you think about people you know, you can imagine or remember things they said to you within your own mind. If your own mind is dumped into instrumentality wholesale, your perceptions of those other people come with you because they're a part of you.

Episode 25 in the show goes into how there are many versions of each individual because each one is "the object that other people refer to as Rei Ayanami" Each one is "real" but they're all part of someone else's psyche except the one that contains Rei's own ego.

Respond specifically to the evidence I've presented or I'll continue to ignore you. Thanks.

lol you think ANY of Anno's chuuninterpreted Christian imagery is well-researched

>We see Shinji screaming in the plug afterwards
We don't see him, we hear him. There is a obvious difference. Explain the shot I posted otherwise. Why have that effect over the scene if it was not him turning to liquid.
>to something I've provided copious evidence for now
Your evidence is a title card, which doesn't prove anything, and cut content which again proves nothing.

Instrumentality is a bunch of souls sitting in a vat (the black moon) with no AT field to separate them. It's essentially human ethernet. Everyone can see each other's thoughts and memories. Nothing in there was imagined. The sequence of the TV ending where we see Shinji mulling over his perception of others (and their perception of him) is just Shinji reconciling the prior misunderstanding with the new understanding. He never realized it was even a misunderstanding before.

Some of it, I mean that shit is basic shit. the symbols and other shit and how they are used he came up with his own idea of what it would the end of the world might look like.

I did respond to your evidence.
See

>We don't see him, we hear him.
No. Re-watch EoE. Re-watch the end of the kitchen scene. You do not know what you're talking about and are not equipped to discuss Evangelion lore.

>gets a chance to fuck prime misato and rejects her

>"BETTER FAP TO THIS ALMOST DEAD GIRL!!"

shinji is a absolute faggot

there's nothing he has to respond to, what you posted simply isn't canon

It's like an author changing the fate of a character and your animatedly pointing to the scratched piece of paper off the drawing board claiming things about the character in your fanfic stupor

except the biblical references were just that, references but it had very little to do with the real world religion. There was no true all powerful God, just a race of aliens who were more powerful than us and seeded life across the galaxy in 2 forms, tree of life (Adam) and tree of knowledge (Lilith)

No homo.

Why did you reply to the same post twice?

I am rewatching it at this very moment and we don't see him in his cockpit, we only hear him scream over a bunch of old scenes flashing by.

The original Japanese translation is "Feel Sick.."

I always took this as "Asuka's got Morning Sickness and a bun in the oven!"

It is a lot easier to just accuse of samefagging instead of actually responding to the point.

>a reading comprehension this bad
Look at the pronouns retardo

the Ep 25 Instrumentality I think a lot of it was the later because Shinji had shut himself off in a world where only he exists, but he was still hearing voices of people he knew, basically other parts of his own psyche taking on the personalities of those other people to help him psychologically work out that he couldn't exist in isolation and needed others. But in that time it was all him, no other egos existed in that world he'd created, and that's when Gendo spoke to him, and gave him a horizon to orient himself by.

No you misunderstand. He treats this series of a scifi of religion. Like dahntees inferno as a divine comedy but eva was less accurate.

Fujos are still mad that Studio Khara and Anno updated subs to reflect the true nature of the story across MULTIPLE languages killed their delusions from the original series.

Kaworufags:
>These lines quoted from the show are not canon and they don't mean anything. Yeah, Shinji and Asuka said they love each other, so what? It's probably a typo

Also Kaworufags:
>LOOK AT THIS 1997 INTERVIEW WITH TIFFANY GRANT, SHE SAID KAWORU HAS A CUTE BUTT AND SHOULD DATE SHINJI, KAWOSHIN IS CANON BABY!!!!

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>189874720
You're retarded.
No more replies.

>prime misato
used goods isn't prime Johnny

>Shinji and Asuka said they love each other
Never happend.
Do you know who do say they love each other in clear terms in the show though?
>>LOOK AT THIS 1997 INTERVIEW WITH TIFFANY GRANT, SHE SAID KAWORU HAS A CUTE BUTT AND SHOULD DATE SHINJI, KAWOSHIN IS CANON BABY!!!!
No one in this thread has brought up such an interview.

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>character says "i love potato"
>whoa this must a commentary on the human life
everytime

Eva threads are proof that homosexuality is a mental illness desu.

newfag here
what was the old sub and what's the update now?

>Never happend.
Incorrect. See The image you posted is a mistranslation by the way, and Kaworu never said he loved Shinji. See

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Post the screenshot of it then. Here is a screenshot when we hear Shinji screams.

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really when it all comes down to it everyone but Asukafags kind of get btfo because Asuka comes back as his only option.

I guess she gets her wish too, she has him all to herself.

There is a scene where Kaworu says "I like you" to Shinji, and the old fansubs translated it as "I love you"

The new official Studio Khara subs translate it as "I like you", so mentally ill American homosexuals are shitting their pants with HIV-pozzed turds of fury

You keep referring to the same copypaste shit you post every thread, despite the fact that everyone always tells you why it is obviously wrong. What is even the point of it?
It is also hilarous that this post doesn't contain either Asuka nor Shinji telling the other that they love them. Despite it being almost entirely made up fan fiction.

>The new official Studio Khara subs translate it as "I like you", so mentally ill American homosexuals are shitting their pants with HIV-pozzed turds of fury
proof plox

It was always going to be like this.

The truth is painful for those who dwell in lies.

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>so mentally ill American homosexuals are shitting their pants with HIV-pozzed turds of fury
Which is really retarded. Because like can still be gay depending of the circumstances and saying it to someone while nude in the bath is pretty gay.

The sad thing is Kaworu isn't even gay, per his own words (see )

These dudes obsess over the character 24/7 and know literally nothing about him. Kaworufags are the most lore-dumb people in the Evangelion fanbase.

>Kaworufags are the most lore-dumb people in the Evangelion fanbase
Not as long as LASfags exists, sadly.

>I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I?!

good one

He's a demented Asukafag as described in , leave the pitiful creature be

Thank you, I am very proud over it.

sasuga kaworu samefagger

It's not easy being #1, but someone has to do it.

List of Evangelion timelines that Asuka won the Shinjibowl in:

>Neon Genesis Evangelion/End of Evangelion
>Neon Genesis Evangelion manga
>Neon Genesis Evangelion 2 [PSP]
>Girlfriend of Steel [PSP]
>Girlfriend of Steel 2 [PSP]

Soon to be added to the list

>Rebuild of Evangelion

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>Concerning the final line we adopted, I'm not sure whether I should say about it in fact. At last Anno asked me "Miyamura, just imagine you are sleeping in your bed and a stranger sneaks into your room. He can rape you anytime as you are asleep but he doesn't. Instead, he masturbates looking at you, when you wake up and know what he did to you. What do you think you would say?" I had been thinking he was a strange man, but at that moment I felt disgusting. So I told him that I thought "Disgusting". And then he sighed and said "... thought as much." He said. "I thought as much."

I too like to spam every Eva thread I can find with my head canon. Really gives my life purpose.

as much as you're right, let's all admit that it's really not that great of a prize, for either of them, they're both hot messes, and really she wins based on the "if we were the last two people on earth" scenario anyway.

The sad thing is I was actually a Asukafag myself before I finally became woke
Maybe you too will snap out your reverie one day and finally call her out for the needy chameleon whore she was

Who was she going to meet that would've been better?

Shinji is the only other person on Earth who lost his mother to a contact experiment, had a distracted/absent father, and endured all kinds of horrors fighting angels.
He's the only person who could have understood her (even if it took instrumentality to make it happen.)

I really wonder what was his rationale for basing the last line in the series on that. He sighed so he was disappointed and unsurprised.

so why use it when it was disappointing?

>before I finally became woke
what are you doing man?

that might be all true, but who wants to hook up with that big of a mess of a person?

*grabs your throat*

>lets put two broken people together
>that will surely fix their problem

Anno seemingly had this doctrine, concerning Asuka, of taking lessons from IRL women. He semi-copied some of her dialogue from a female mangaka who made an asuka fancomic.

So I guess even though he didn't like Miyamura's answer he had to accept it as authentically female and include it

he's facing the reality you ran away from

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add Evangelion 64
Puchi Eva

It kinda sounds like he had a response in mind but wanted to evaluate it first. Maybe he really hoped she would reply with what he had in mind? I know I'm grasping at straws.

I don't think that guy is an asukafag for himself, only who he thinks is best for Shinji and I hope he's not a self insert.

I'd never fuck around with Asuka, complete basket case. I'd give her a hug though, she obviously needs it.

Based and lorepilled

Guys with a protection instinct would. So nothing unusual

Nothing needs to be "fixed", they'll just feel better enduring it together.

Asuka displays some growth at the end of EoE, though. Old Asuka would have never, ever said "I need you" about someone else. Her whole thing was "I don't need anyone." She also would've never responded to aggression with a caress.

not him dude but let me ask you, do you mean 'Woke' in context of the show or 'woke' as in political shit?

>Old Asuka would have never, ever said "I need you"
Neither did the "new" Asuka, so they have that in common.

Eva 64 was detailed enough to include Asuka winning? Damn

>they'll just feel better enduring it together
Them being close throughout the series only increased the distance between the two.

>Neither did the "new" Asuka
Incorrect, see & Are you going to forever live in denial of this? It's not even a major thing, it's one of like a dozen lines in the show that cement Asuka winning the Shinjibowl.

fuck off to Yea Forums netflixfag

while we're all grasping for straws on trying to find meaning in something like this that was ambiguous, I don't think that's too far of a stretch
That makes sense along with He had an idea for what he'd like her to say, but in considering it, he wanted to wonder what the woman playing "Asuka" would say, being that she's the closest to knowing the character's mind and emotional state.
So when she said "disgusting" he was disappointed because his idea would have felt inauthentic and "male", and wouldn't fit the character.

See

That's because they were afraid of being rejected, so they never made concrete advances toward each other. Asuka made smokescreened half-advances, then cried when she perceived rejection.

After instrumentality there is obviously no ambiguity anymore. They saw each other's thoughts. That's why they're beside each other at the end, when before it was all "I don't want you in my life, you only hurt me" etc.

It doesn't matter because Anno's original planned response probably wasn't realistic anway, there's no other reason he'd not go with that
That sigh was just the otaku in him coming to terms with the realization that a diksuc ending would be incongruent with the established story and characters

No

You know, one of my best friends was like that. Always going for damsels in distress trying to fix them. Never had happy relationships because of it. Then he hit 30, and the last damsel in distress he was with who pretty much restricted his social life to where we couldn't hardly see him, well that blew up really bad, and then he finally got it that maybe you can't fix broken fucking people and married a mostly chill normal woman and he's been a lot happier.

Asuka's original ending line was:
Anta nankani korosareru nowa mappira yo! / I refuse to be killed by you of all people!

>After instrumentality there is obviously no ambiguity anymore
Of course there will still be ambiguity after instrumentality, that is the entire point of rejecting it.
The moment Shinji and Asuka got out of instrumentality they no longer could see each others thoughts and therefore should be just as afraid of rejection.
>That's why they're beside each other at the end
We have no idea why they are beside each other or for how long they have lain there.

Notice the "anta" rather than anata. It's a bit playful. Very Asuka.
I think it would've been brilliant, honestly. It's a shame he substituted Miyamura's on-the-spot soulless roastie adlib.

Anno did that, but it seems to have worked for him

>Notice the "anta" rather than anata
What do you mean? That is what she has called him multiple times throughout the show.

>Of course there will still be ambiguity after instrumentality
...Sure, but they unambiguously know their feelings for each other, having confirmed them in the mind meld. So there can be no doubt, and no fear of rejection.
Why are you being intentionally dense? I don't feel like talking to you anymore.

Only a good dose of instrumentality can cure you of your ESL

>but they unambiguously know their feelings for each other
Their feelings that doesn't reach past being friends, sure.

Incorrect. Rewatch Evangelion & see

this
asuka & shinji are just friends, broes
haven't you guys ever shared your first kiss with a friend? or lost your virginity to your friend? this is all stuff that friends do
#justfriendstuff

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SeeTake off your shipping goggles.

>yes
>does head count
>yes
#justfriendstuff

Wron

>haven't you guys ever shared your first kiss with a friend
A kiss that Shinji doesn't even want.
>lost your virginity to your friend?
Never happend.
If they were actually more than friends maybe they would have shared a scene like this together.

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NOOOO KAWORUBROS

dat's rite, is it rlly so strange if ur girl friend wants to fugg u?

holy shit dude that was normal english. Ok fucker you wanna believe you are woke? woke to what reality that life sucks ass and that people are getting the shit beat out of them unjustly or unfairly? people spreading the word of Wokeness like its a new fad? let me tell you this fucker, you haven't even scratched the fucking surface of what is really going on. If anything you mother fucker are still dreaming. The only Woke you can be right now is you were never Woke at all.

Kaworu killed three billion people indirectly including shinji's mom

Yui isn't dead.

as dead as anyone is in the evangelion universe

soul's alive but it aint in her body

She could have comeback if she wanted. But she didn't.

>said not to come through the door

>get mad when he actually listen to her

Queen of mix signals, this one is.

Asuka winning isn't just destiny, it's a dynasty.

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It is. She's unit 01.

not when she's busy dyking it out with asuka's momma

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To be fair to Asuka, it was not something Anno considered when he made the scene.

No, her soul is in Eva 01.

She can't come back like the others because of that.

nigger i know more than you

It's not Hikari and Touji's fault that they see Asuka and Shinji as a belligerent couple of a girlfriend and a boyfriend.

She could. They even say that in the show. Just like Shinji came back in episode 20.

IT'S NOT LIKE THAT

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Yui couldn't come back. She's trapped in the core.
Hence her floating off into space forever instead of just joining instrumentality.

Pic related, Yui and her sweet hair

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>Hence her floating off into space forever instead of just joining instrumentality
That was her own wish.
Man Yui must gave been a lot larger than I thought.

I've always wondered, what IS that white, floaty stuff?

>inb4 semen

It's blue and it's her hair. The script calls it hair.

That's because that is what they are.

They just both too hedgehog (in a different way) to admit it.

Huh, I see. Thanks user. This has been bugging me for almost 20 years now.

It is probably just the Eva's hair.

Someone should tell Shinji that. If not he will continue pining for Kaworu.

The whole of eva could have been averted had they just let seele proceed

huh I was confused what that was. I mean it looks like hair but on an eva? I need a fellow draw user to make an eva is pop star blue hair.

It's the same colour as Rei's hair

Dude, the entire show is Seele's plan proceeds as they intended to the conclusion.

It was not until the very, very last minute that Shinji decided to pull the plug on the plan, and that's AFTER everyone was merged into one.

how did they go against seele? they attacked nerv and killed everyone anyways except the kids maybe.

>I mean it looks like hair but on an eva?
Doesn't Eva-01 look just like a giant person under all the armor?

Because both Unit-01 and Rei come from Lilith.

It's a common misconception, but SEELE really had no intention of tanging humanity.
In one of the unused drafts for EoE, we see Misato hunched over a Central Dogma computer. She says to herself: "So, that's why they needed the 12 mass production eva units." (one for each member of SEELE.) In the final cut she just says "So that's the real truth behind Second Impact." (that it was not a meteor)
See wiki.evageeks.org/Resources:End_of_Evangelion_Screenplays#Episode_25.27

In NGE 2 (the video game, almost surely written by Anno and the source of wiki.evageeks.org/Classified_Information_(Translation) ) we see a scenario where SEELE successfully carries out their plan. It's one of the endings of the game. In this ending SEELE transfers their souls into the s2 engined mass production Eva units, then destroys the Lances of Longinus. With the only means of killing them disposed of, they reign over humanity as immortal "protectors" (tyrants) with absolute power. That's all SEELE wanted in the end, power.

ok yeah i thought yuis hair was brown. but makes sense to make it pale blue like the moon light.

To be fair, for Shinji, Kaworu was likely the first person who was nice to him unconditionally. (Misato was nice too, but she's older and more like a parent.)

Shinji is too mentally unstable to be able to recognize that Asuka is being Tsundere.

yeah but they kind of look like this

>but SEELE really had no intention of tanging humanity
If that was true then this line makes no sense.

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Asuka should have won against mass-produced crap.

Fuck you, Anno

It is not Yui's hair. She is not actually a giant robot, it just has her soul. 01 is based on Lilith.

Then how are you going to explain what the chairman of Seele said in EoE? Where is said that this is what they (Seele) wanted, before being turned into tang.

Also:

>In one of the unused drafts for EoE

>script from a video game

Come one dude.

That just means they didn't realize they lost.

She did though. She got every last one of them before they cheated.

Keep reaching, retard.

I recommend that you re-watch Evangelion and you will understand more.

>only reference shit from outside the show
>dude just rewatch the show

They intentionally send the Eva series to attack Eva 02 and to force the third impact at Nerv HQ, and they succeed.

In EoE, their plan was to turn everyone into tang, it is consistent with what the series was building up towards as well.

You can't just take ideas from an abandon draft and a video game and jam them into the movie. It doesn't fit.

I just did.

If you watch Evangelion you'll realize that accepting SEELE at their word that they totes want to elevate humanity is retarded. The human instrumentality committee is a public thing on the UN, you're hearing PR.

Is it possible the that human instramentality requires some sacraficed but not all and the anti AT wave was just to a giant nail in humanities coffin.

As evidenced by its forehead, an angel, but assuming a human form

Human instrumentality is the destruction of their AT-fields.

>They intentionally send the Eva series to attack Eva 02 and to force the third impact at Nerv HQ, and they succeed.
They also send Kaworu to have tea with what they think is his god-body, and he kills himself (and it turns out not to be his body.)
Then Rei takes on her god-body (with the Adam embryo added in) and gives the reigns to Shinji. SEELE has lost. SEELE does not affect instrumentality even slightly from this point onward.
Shinji gets rejected by Asuka in the "pre-instrumentality" kitchen scene and as a revenge he independently decides to kill everyone and make them accept each other unconditionally. SEELE had absolutely nothing to do with this and it was not their plan.

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HIkari, Touji, Kensuke, Mari, and Misato all agree that Asuka and Shinji are a legitimate thing.

Why can't you?

yeah but since this is just Unit 01 then its safe to assume this is what lillith would look like with out the mask.

>the anti AT wave was just to a giant nail in humanities coffin.

Dude, the anti AT field didn't kill anyone, it just turns everyone into their "soul" form and joined them all together.

That's why Shinji and Asuka (and others if they choose) were able to return at the end.

Sure, if Shinji didn't abandon the process when he did, then it might not be possible to reverse back, but even then humanity wouldn't be killed off, just changed into something else.

human instramentality was to not just destroy the at fields it was to bring souls together as one.

>They also send Kaworu to have tea with what they think is his god-body, and he kills himself (and it turns out not to be his body.)
They tricked Kaworu.

Which required the destruction of the AT-fields.

I didnt mean it like that. I meant that the process of the making an anti at field they would have to impale themselves to release their core that causes a world wide anti at field

Of course Rei and Shinji hijacked the third impact. But that doesn't mean that turning everyone into tang wasn't their plan as shown by them being happy with the outcome when they turn into it.

yeah but my point being is I think seele knew what was going to happen by following the scrolls. The human instrumentality project was to evolve humanity not just transfer souls.

I would because life on the beach watching others slowly make their way out of the LCL sounds kinda comfy

The NGE 2 endings are obviously canon. In EoE Gendo demands that Rei "lead me to the place where Yui is" right before she turns on him

Dude, I said that Seele won UP TO the point where Shinji decided to pull the plug, which is very last minute, like after everyone was tanged.

Yes, they lost at the end, but not until like 99.9% of their plan succeed. Hell, they even got to tang'ed themselve with glee, as shown in Seele plan has two parts: tang'ed everyone to united them, then maybe be reborn as a new, super deity that's the sum of all humanity or something. They succeed in the first part (which require the entire length of the series and EoE to pulled off), but failed at the 2nd part.

>SEELE does not affect instrumentality even slightly from this point onward.
did you not see the whole Mass Produced evas? those were sent by seele

Please stop speaking authoritatively on Evangelion when you have a beginner's understanding.

Ah, sorry then, I misunderstand you.

neat so what happens when angels win?

Okay, so what's suppose to happen then?

Very little about SEELE's plan does. It changes all the fucking time.

Lilith/Yui only tanged humanity because Shinji wanted her to. Adam is effectively dead. It was Yui's desire to let Shinji tang them, though he didn't say it explicitly. Lilith wouldn't have tanged them, only Adam would have.

You mean Lilith/Rei. Yui had no actual control. Even if it was she who had manipulated the events.

But then why Seele seem please they themselve got tang'ed?

The entire idea of instrumentality being "everyone dies and they're not allowed to reject others" came into existence when Shinji got mad at being rejected. SEELE did not plan it. Just look at the first screenshot in - that's Shinji telling Rei what to do.

you guys shouldnt have responded.

No one died though. So obviously Rei didn't do exactly as he wanted.

Seduced by the DSS describing the initial state of souls on the moons. The potential for all and any souls was brought to earth.

Except, she didn't have sex.

Also, part of the effect of instrumentality is a feeling of completeness, bliss, because what you're "missing" is being covered by others.

But, since Asuka has also chosen to be a separate human being, she no longer has that sense of completeness and bliss, and so is able to feel disgust at Shinji's own actions close to her.

no they didnt plan that part, their plan was to make an eva mp their new bodies use the collective souls to become gods

By the way, I have this theory that Kiel Lorenz (aka: SEELE chairman guy) was the one who bandaged Asuka.

>But, since Asuka has also chosen to be a separate human being, she no longer has that sense of completeness and bliss, and so is able to feel disgust at Shinji's own actions close to her.

Huh, I actually like your interpretation of that scene, user.

I have a theory that Kaworu was doing a psychological attack, like the two angels before him.

Except that picture is a clip from a comedy skit.

Then his appearance in EoE makes little sense, as well as what he tells Shinji before he kills him.

Comfy thoughts: Kiel Lorenz was the one who bandaged Asuka.

you know the masterbation thing was an example of how close everyone got through instramentality right? the whole thing about revealing how everyone feels and memories. only to snap back to your singular form and try to interpret all of it but only leaves the feeling of disgust.

How does that make sense?

If there was one line that I'm sure Anno and Dan would not mistranslate it's this one. I think that's one of the things that can be pretty much put to bed with this release

So the third impact is the most epic bait and switch?

Yeah, I could live with that.

Cute and CANON

Anyone got a link to this?

Been literally decades since I watched it. Would love to watch it again (can't even remember what it's called).

well only to have shinji stop instramentality. it would have kept going with rei puting souls in the black egg.

i always get banned making this thread

They kick Lilith out of Eden.

like how? how or waht would that look like

>you can't talk about anime on Yea Forums

youtube.com/watch?v=HvLfQSoVhrM
fun little audio drama written by anno

Thanks user, you're the best.

Well, if the Lilim are capable of destroying Adam (and that includes the Evas), then I suppose that Adam can do the same to the Lilim.

Once Adam comes back, the rest is just a process of killing all humans, and getting rid of the Lilith body.

oh I see

Same guy here:

It doesn't. Its just that I assume that, since Asuka is found to be bandaged when Shinji wakes up, someone had to have done it.

And I just thought that it would be nice to think that someone who is arguable one of the most vindictive, cruel, and selfish people on Earth, upon reforming and re-emerging from the sea, decided to take a different track and care for someone who might not even know his name.

>Anno chose the name of the series because it sounded complicated and cool.

>Series Called Neon Genesis Evangelion
>In it, a biblical event, the apocalypse- takes place and the world is set a new, with a new adam and eve
>The name
>NEON
>GENESIS
>EVANGELION
>WAS CHOSEN BECAUSE IT SOUNDS
COOL

>Its just that I assume that, since Asuka is found to be bandaged when Shinji wakes up, someone had to have done it.

Remember what Rei says: "Imagine yourself in your heart and you can return to Earth."
Asuka imagines herself wounded. Her arm was cut in half, that is not her real condition.

I find it funny that she imagined herself just well enough to get her arm and her eyesight back, but just hurt enough that Shinji would have to care for her. (It is his fault that she sustained those wounds, anyway.)

That may well be have been his reasoning at the time, but it doesn't make the title any less fitting to what eva ended up being, in more ways than one. This is a pleb filter in itself.

yeah

>It is his fault that she sustained those wounds, anyway
It is not. You could call it Yui's fault though.

It is actually called New Centenary Evangelion in Japanese.

Get off Yea Forums, Shinji. And get in the fucking robot next time.

>It is not. You could call it Yui's fault though.

This is like blaming Hitler's father and mother for all the horrible shits that Hitler's did.

but i .... CANT

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*Century

>Centenary
evangelion doesnt mean anything to non-christians
so if this is true, it makes sense.

Shinji cums a lot. I'm just now noticing this after 10+ years

they were horrible parents
in all honesty you could blame them

Unit-01 was encased in Bakelite and Yui waited until Asuka was already fucked to break out.

because it isnt, its using chrisian imagery and genisis lore to make a story about monster angels gaint big purple ultraman and talk about annos depression. thats all it is.

Any normal person would've made his way into the robot.

yeah but shinji a bitch

It's not like he was using them.

And in the original Eva they didn't have a smartphone, nor does it seems they use PC at their home a lot, so I'm pretty the poor dude didn't watch too many porns either.

How? It was buried.

The fruits were never meant to be combined. I think it's possible that there was a reason that they never combined them. Such as what happens in EoE. (excepting the survival of shinji and asuka) Total failure.

He should have called out to his mom, a.k.a. Eva 01, Tsujin 28 style.

Rei is hotter but Asuka is an actual person

you got that info from the secret dead sea scrolls. it detailed the return of the angels as well as the seeds of life and wisdom and the existence of adam

>Rei is hotter

I bet Rei is like a dead fish on the bed.

We both know Shinji bought Kensuke's full polaroid collection of Asuka with his NERVbux.

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People who don’t see evangelion as masterful within the medium are just brainlets.

They are both outrageously hot.

even after everything, his last resort is to cry.
literally still as worthless as he always was.

That's because they aren't real, user.

No 3DPD can ever match 2D waifus.

That isn't a lot, cumlet

the seeds of life = the 2 types of seed

seed 1 'fruit of knowledge' type (unknown?)
seed 2 'fruit of life' type (s2 engine)

>even after everything, his last resort is to cry.
It's actually an Anno Fantasy™

See the bottom left of this image.

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At least he's now smart enough to use the opportunity on bury his face in Asuka's boobies.

A real life Asuka would still be hot.
With Rei the albino traits would not look as appealing in reality

yeah and it was in the dead sea scrolls that Seele had. The whole plan was fortold to a certain point.

On the other hand, Rei is like 4'9 and has huge pert breasts (for her size anyway.)

>Anno's fav. char is Asuka

Based Anno has great taste, as expected.

Fuck off.
Stop spamming your bullshit.

kek,
"Take responsibility, Shinji."

>their plan
what was that again?

I agree, but the reason why he choked a bitch (Asuka) is because if it's the real world, it would be filled with pain and suffering and general unpleasantness. So he chokes a bitch (Asuka) to test out if it's the real world.

She also seemingly "imagined herself in her own heart" with a slight breast enhancement.

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Alexander the Great would prefer Asuka.

Well, to be fair, who doesn't want to bury their face into the breasts of a 14 years-old German redhead qt3.14?

to combine all human souls into a new godly body because human evolution is no longer possible

There are a lot of people who fantasize about giant-bodied mommydom characters, but Anno takes it to a new level by maternally imprinting onto a 14-year-old

>dat description on the cards

Imagine playing this with your family.

Fun for everyone.

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Manga does something interesting here - Shinji does shout to his mother to move, and Unit-01 does move sooner, allowing Shinji to make it to the battle on time to help Asuka.

But then reviewing that scene, it wasn't necessarily because Shinji called her - there were also JSSDF troops entering the room at the same time and Unit-01 crushes them to death to protect Shinji. So the question is, did Yui willingly respond to Shinji, or was she simply forced to act because of the soldiers?

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lol dat card, is this real? And where can I get this card game?

so when given the choice, Shinji and Asuka were the only ones who decided to become individuals agian and leave the primordial soup?

We have no idea. There is no reason to assume that everyone would comeback in the same place.

Aristotle would've been an Asukafag, while Plato would have preferred Kaworu.

Nah, I think that its a sort of biblical metaphor.

Evas, much like Eve, are taken from Adam.

Angels (and their S2's), from Adam, are of the Tree of Life.

Humans (and their inventions, which also includes the Evas), from Lilim, are of the Tree of Knowledge.

What upset SEELE was that an Eva ate an S2 engine, or in other words humans reached out to the fruit of the Tree of Life.

So, they were becoming kinda to god-like for their liking. The FAR also probably didn't want that to happen either.

Theres also a sexual metaphor in there somewhere, since I can't help but think that there was something sexual about the fact that Adam and Lilim are a "forbidden union"

Theres also the fact that the process of making that forbidden union happen involved orgasms, on part of the MP Evas, or intruding upon Rei's womb.

>Manga

Yeah, but whoa boy if we want to go into the manga. The manga, while similar, is very different compared to the TV series and EoE. Shinji is far more proactive and much less pathetic, for one.

Though, as an Asukafag, I enjoyed how the manga clearly favored her.

You'd have to buy a set off a collector probably.

They were always that big

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Lilim are humans. They are from Lilith.

nobody chose to leave the soup
its obvious that a will is necessary and sufficient to exert an AT field
losing your AT field is necessary and sufficient to tang

there's still tang.
so there's no AT field, and thus, there are no (perhaps individual) wills.

this is all assuming you can untang anyway

To be fair, the size of her breasts is very inconsistent in the TV series.

Kaworu>Rei>Asuka>Misato

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How did he not even put an arm around her

Forget getting in the robot, this right here is the most retarded thing Shinji ever did

>Rei>Asuka

Yep, a fag.

They can untang. The movie says it in no unclear terms.
Otherwise how did Asuka comeback?

>a generic Gary Stu in a show of complex, wounded, flawed characters

No thanks.

>How did he not even put an arm around her

>inb4 she made a huge fuss and said that he try to or rape her
>inb4 FBI open up

>preferring the peak of femininity = being a fag

most of that is what actually happen. the angel s2 engine is the fruit of life. Eva was cloned from adam
alll of that is the literal thing that happened in a scifi like setting.

We don't really know the state everyone's soul was left in when Shinji ended things - how much individuality and conciousness they retain, whether they are still in a form of instrumentality and can concieve the idea of wanting to return.

It took Shinji a month to leave Unit 01 without instrumentality and as one of only 2 souls in there.
Maybe Rei has to give everyone their own 1 on 1 therapy session like she did for Shinji, and Asuka was just the second person she got around to.
Maybe Asuka left because Shinji was missing, while everyone else chose to stay since everyone they know and love are already with them - why risk leaving?

even with that assumption, it looks like nobody else untang'd

It might takes some time.

>Though, as an Asukafag, I enjoyed how the manga clearly favored her.
Is this a joke? Because the manga clearly favored Rei. Sadamoto is obviously a Reifag.

yui says that everyone can come back when they choose too.

>Do you love me?
>...Do you really love me?

Who did she say it to, Yea Forums?

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Me

>it looks like nobody else untang'd
Why do you say that? You have no idea.

I think it is actually Rei that says it.

same voice one just younger than the other

A pair of Gigantic ghost titties was SEELE's goal all along.

And why not? I mean, can anyone imagine what its like to be them?

> Centuries of just hanging out with other men, doing research, and just plotting.

> Suffering and waiting patiently and endlessly, while being incapable of explaining to others and expressing what you really really want, because you know that even if the world were to accept that about you, there is absolutely no way they can deliver.

> The scrolls that you and your secret club had expended so much effort to obtain and, had painstakingly studied down to the minute detail, your only hope of seeing your glory at the end of that hole, had promised you relief that almost never seems to come unless you do something to Make.
It.
Happen.

All the while your balls just get bluer and bluer, and age makes it all the much harded to withstand.

*People you know have died waiting!*

Then that WEASEL PRICK GENDO -- the head of that organization that you blackmailed politicians, false flagged, and genocided half of mankind, and blew threw several illuminati fortunes to establish -- decides to use one of those giant robots, that you gave him in order to make your dreams a reality, and STOP The PAIN, to C**k-block you?

HELL! NO!

You try and PENETRATE their computer systems.

You send WAVE. after WAVE. Of the minions to *breach* these guys.

They want to play with your Giant Robots? Well, how would they like some more Giant Robots down their throat?

And then it finally, FINALLY it happens.

What you've fought long and hard for is COMING to PASS.

> "Everything is going according to plan."

Your efforts have paid off. Your eons of agony are at last, over.

> PairOfGiganticGhostTittties.jpg

Bros, I'd give up my form too.

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Herself, quietly in her room so as no to be heard, while rehearsing saying it to Shinji and fantasizing about him saying "Yes, with all my heart"

The one that makes the most sense would be her mother. Especially since the voice that says it is similar in tone to the angel appearing as child Asuka.

Following on from the tang talk, what is the relation between LCL, AT-fields, and souls?

LCL+Soul = AT field / Human form

Furthermore, what is the significance of Adam-based life; the Angel-quantum-matter?

Heh, that's funny, because my friend who is a giant Rei fag always complain that Sadamoto is an Asukafag.

But whatever his preference, the final epilogue chapter of the manga is like a blowjob to all Asukafag everywhere, and I thank Sadamoto for it.

poor pen pen, his to deal with their dumb shit

I know they have the same voice actor. But Yui's voice is more nasally while Rei's is softer.

souls are simply that red swarm going around the black egg.
LcL is simply the body reduced to its primordial form.

Best lore right here.

>Maybe Asuka left because Shinji was missing

probably denied that why she was doing it, too.

2 souls came to earth, billions left how

>Furthermore, what is the significance of Adam-based life; the Angel-quantum-matter?
Angels make up like 99.9% of the same dna patterns as humans but they reject the human for. They lack unlimited kmowledge but hold the power. the s2 engine

And Shinji rejected it because he found Asuka's tits that much more appealing.

The voice is not the same as "child asuka". It is very plainly 14-year-old asuka saying the line, if you listen. youtube.com/watch?v=PcXGgjyV4WA 1:45
The line is surrounded by Arael's dug-up memories of Asuka & Shinji doing hedgehog stuff. Asuka yells in denial that she doesn't need anyone.
The "Do you love me?... Do you really love me?" line is the final piece of Arael's powerpoint, the thing that makes her scream.

If you really pay attention to the facts, she either said it to Shinji or thought about doing so (probably the former - I doubt so much secrecy & sanctimony would be arranged by Anno for a thought, rather than an action)

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whats your question?

You're (not) Alexander.

>it's... it's not like I returned to human form from the fucking primordial sea to find you or anything, BAKA!

You are not going to convince me with a video that contains so much bullshit.
And I said it was the same tone as Angel Asuka. Because it doesn't sound like her normal voice.
>The "Do you love me?... Do you really love me?" line is the final piece of Arael's powerpoint, the thing that makes her scream.
No the thing that makes her scream is the angel calling her a liar.

If she was talking to her mother she wouldn't use 好き, she'd use 愛
Whoever she is speaking to is being requested a romantic confession

>Maybe Asuka left because Shinji was missing
Hope not because it would reduce Asuka's character to nothing more than being in love with Shinji.

>Because it doesn't sound like her normal voice.
It completely does. Dunno what else to say. You're just wrong.

are you guys asking if they fucked? EoE showed auska yelling at shinji about him being annoying hair messed up and shinji on the ground.

You are either deaf, trolling or retarded. You can hear her talk normally right before and after and it is obviously different. The voice that says it is a lot softer.

>EoE showed auska yelling at shinji about him being annoying hair messed up and shinji on the ground.

I bet you think Senjougahara got walked home gently, too.

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i think it was because her ego was so strong that she died fighting.

EoE also has this line.

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>EoE showed auska yelling at shinji about him being annoying hair messed up and shinji on the ground.

I never quite sure whether we are suppose to take that scene literally, like, they did get naked on a futon, with Asuka on top of Shinji and everything, or was it supposed to be taken more metaphorically, like similar to how all the stuffs with Rei in the "sea of souls".

>You can hear her talk normally right before and after and it is obviously different.

It's different because it's a flashback to a moment when she wasn't in the process of being mindraped by an angel and having all of her cognitive dissonance laid out in front of her. She's seemingly whispering something intimate to someone, why would it NOT be softer?

hey man, i heard theories that she fucked toji. so I dont give a flying fuck. I think so

>She's seemingly whispering something intimate to someone, why would it NOT be softer?
So you admit that the tone is different? Before you said I was wrong for even suggesting it.

It's addressed in the video. If you watch the scene instead of quoting a line out of context, you'll see she's talking about using men to cope.

It is not that clear cut.

Asuka has already fucked Shinji in pre-instrumentality by that point, this is a 100% canon unavoidable fact, so you literally cannot interpret that line to mean she's a virgin.

>meaningless EoE shitpost like the thousands we had before
>with a streaming screencap

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but dragonball super threads do that

You dont use 好き to say you love your parents or ask if your parents love you.

The video is bullshit and every single point being made is stupid.
>f you watch the scene instead of quoting a line out of context, you'll see she's talking about using men to cope.
This reeks of someone that came up with a theory and is desperately trying to find a way to patch the obvious inconsistencies with it.
The context is obviously that Misato is having sex and Shinji being upset and Asuka saying she can't wait to do it too.
It doesn't make sense that she would consider herself ready to have sex but not ready to use men to cope through sex.

I have some homework for you: go re-watch that scene and write out Asuka's dialogue in it. Not just that one line, but the rest of them as well.
Once you do this you will understand you're a retard.

愛 is a noun so it is a bit hard to use it in that context.

obviously I want to know how/why there are more souls than 2 (adam and lilith) by EoE

In that specific sentence yea but thats not relevant or an argument for you at all

I don't even understand why you're still replying, we both know you're wrong and you're just zombieing weirldy right now

Lilith splits her soul dark soul style, that's how.

All of human actually came from one soul, Lilith's.

He single handedly created an entire character archetype based around him.
He's the opposite of generic.

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All Adam souls were out of the running, and only his body, later co-opted by lilith, was left.

The angeles where created to spread the seeds of life and Wisdom.
they are designed to create life. Since adams the fruit/seed of life angel could only make very few angels because of the immense power of the the fruit.
However when lilith crashed landed on earth the first this

When the Lance of Longinus combines with Eva Unit 01 during EoE, Fuyutsuki says "Eva 01 is becoming the Embryo of Souls"

Bear in mind that Unit 01 was budded from Lilith's body - it is the only eva based on lilith

I would personally guess that way back when the Black Moon crashed into Earth, Lilith's spear "impregnated" her and she gave birth to lilin

>It is just lonely adults comforting each other
>It is just an easy way to feel that you're worth something, that
>I wonder if I'll do the kind of thing that Misato does when I grow up
These are her lines (taken from Sephirotics release).
And I still think you are retarded. In this seen they are talking about the act of having sex. The justification for it is because it is comforting or to feel needed.
Asuka says that having sex is an easy way to feel that you are worth something, then "that" which obviously refers to the act of sex.
Then she says she wonders if she'll do the kind of thing Misato does, which is having sex, when she grows up. The comforting or using it to confirm once existence or feeling needed is just the justification the actual act is having sex. Which anyone with half a brain should be able to understand.

>He's suckin on her tiddy and it repulses her

Oh liliths spear was destroyed in the crash
thats the official reason

SEELE was cucked.

If you weren't EOP you would instantly understand the line is not saying "I wonder if I will have sex when I grow up?!" but is instead "I wonder if I'll use men to validate myself, like Misato does"

damn, that *is* disgusting.

Why are you still giving this braindead retard (you)s? He's been made fun of a million times, even on the Asukafag central website Evageeks.
No one takes him seriously, so he's left to spam his same 20 images every thread despite being debunked already.
He's never going to change his mind even if the show proves him wrong, stop wasting your time responding to him.

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so if they already had lillith and adam's embryo, why did they wait for all the angels to be dead to start the third impact

How can Lilith reside in Rei if Lilith already split her soul? Adam didn't split his soul.

because an angel can hijack it, which was proof when lilith took over 3rd impact for shinji.

But that makes no sense. First off why would that be a thing she would want? She obviously speaks in the tone of longing that she wants to to the thing she is talking about. Why would she want to have to use sex to validate herself. Especially Asuka that is usually so independent.
Secondly what you are doing by only looking at Asuka's dialogue is ignoring the actual context of the scene. Which is Misato having sex.

What if some easily impressed new watcher sees his stupid post and take it as truth and no one challenges it. Then there will be two of them.

This scene embodies the relationship between Shinji and Asuka. They see too much of themselves in each other and hate each other for it. Shinji choking Asuka is the same as choking himself. Asuka calling Shinji disgusting is the same as calling herself disgusting. In this moment, Shinji and Asuka finally except each other and move forward. Its quite beautiful in a harsh sort of way

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Weren't Rei merged with Lilith in EoE? That's the reason behind the "I'm back"; "welcome home" text too.

While there are some similarity in their situation they are in no way similar enough for either of them to see each other in them.

So... is Sex the forbidden union of Adam and Lilith?

I doubt it.
Even a complete retard who watched the show for the first time can see that his posts are reaching.

If his fanfiction was so 'obvious' from watching the show, then he wouldn't be the only person in the world claiming it.

If Evageeks of all websites, the blackhole of autistic Asukafags, says he's wrong, then he's most definitely wrong.

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It's not a longing "I want to be like this" line, it's a careless, taunting "heh, baka shinji, I'll probably be like this! I bet that makes you mad huh?'

Back in her old body, yes.

me, my phone, and my homosexual pedo rape bait kaworu made these posts together

in the begining of the series rei's soul was split in half, One half was her child form who died by ritsukos mom and put into Unit 00 as its designated soul. while a new rei with half a soul meets shinji. Then that last angel attack that she blew up in her soul was returned and she was pissed.

no its what creates divinity

Do you genuinely think you understand Evangelion and what Anno was trying to say? Because you sure don't act like it.

One of Eva's messages is facing reality, leaving your house and interacting with people in the real world.
Yet think of how many hours you've wasted in these threads, posting the same images over and over again. Replying to your own images over and over again. You're living in a fantasy, the same fantasy Anno scolded you over in EoE.

You understand Eva the least out of all of us, because you refuse to follow one of its most important lessons: Grow up.

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I always thought Shinji choked Asuka because he was angry that she left him alone.

On an other note, what if Shinji and Asuka fought the Eva Mass Series together? Would the 3rd Impact crisis have been averted?

Nah, they are more similar than at first glance.

Asuka might confidence and arrogance, but underneath that facade she's just as sacred of other people as Shinji, which is why the Angle attack in that episode that exposed her deepest secrets break her down so hard.

She hates Shinji because he reminds her of her younger, weaker self, the self that she thought she left behind long ago. So when she was exposed/shown that she still the scared little kid, she couldn't live with herself, and break down in the later part of the show.

Essentially, they both have mommy and self confidence issues, but while Shinji just turned full introvert to deal with it, Asuka just built a wall around her to cope.

Are you seriously this autistic? She even does the "aahaa" sound, which usually mean, man I wish that was me.

tfw, you realize Rei and Kaworu could've created divinity in the elevator.

You sound like you're talking to a mirror again.

See

its interpretive there is never a clear answer with these quick cuts and what seems out of placed scenes

>She hates Shinji because he reminds her of her younger, weaker self, the self that she thought she left behind long ago
There is no younger, weaker Asuka. She was defiant even as a child. Since her mothers death she has had the same attitude.

They both have broken backgrounds and hearts of glass. The anime plainly admits that they are very similar beneath their outer persona.

Asuka thinks Kaworu is homosexual, are you saying she's a dumb fujo who doesn't understand Eva?

Rewatch, big whoosh, etc, etc

Asuka has mummy issues
Shinji has daddy issues
They end up together

Freud is true in NGE so Shinji wanted to fuck his mum a bit in Rei, likewise all the dadless women in NGE want to fuck momless men

>There is no younger, weaker Asuka.

It's all facade, even back then. Or did you forgot the face when she saw her mom hanged herself? Not to mention the "crying" little girl that the Angle that mind attack her shows to her, to make her realize that, even after all these years, she's still a little girl crying for mommy.

That's why her "reawaken" moment in EoE is so important. It's at that point she came to term with what happen ages ago, and understand that her mother is here in Eva 02, protecting her.

This remains true for almost every character in the show. It's a trait they all share.

Shinji explicity drops a "because I'm just like you?" to Asuka in instrumentality

As I said they had similar situation but they handle it so different that they are not similar people.

Young Asuka overheard her stepmother say "It's different for me and you - from a social standpoint, I could stop being her mother at any time", bawled her eyes out to her and begged her not to stop being her mother. Do you think 14 year old Asuka would this same thing?

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well you could just say its entertainment and a thinker too.

The MP Evas still kick their shit in.
The replica lances are no joke.

This isn't to say that Asuka isn't still just as vulnerable as a 14-year-old, she just hides it better, of course. That's what the tsun is for.

>The replica lances are no joke.

Damn Seele keeping the best toys for themselves.

Do you think everyone who disagrees with you is a Kaworufag?

When you posted your fanfics on Evageeks everyone there disagreed with you and debunked your images, do you think they're all Kaworufags too?

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So wouldn't you would find familiarity in a person with a similar background as you? Shinji seeing himself in Asuka doesn't mean their the same person. That's not what I'm getting at.

Like essentially everything else you have written in this thread, that is a lie.

What's to stop Gendo from initiating it down in Terminal Dogma? If Shinji's mental anguish over losing Asuka doesn't get Rei to reject Gendo, would it have still happened?

I had a similar experience with a girl I met once. We both had lost a parent when we were younger to terminal disease and a car accident. We thought that would bring us together but it ended up tearing us apart almost immediately.

You threw a tantrum when the Asukafags on Evageeks started making fun of you in your own thread.

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I remember that thread, I called Reichu a tranny on another forum so he had his tranny friend shit up my thread and then used it as a pretense to lock it. Good fun. Trannies are almost as fun to steam as faggots.

the angels were the the last souls of adam and>189880665

Rei is an artificial seed soul created and implanted by Gendo to exert control over Lilith. Adam did split his soul, otherwise the angels wouldn't have AT fields.

Yes, clearly all the people in the world who disagree with you are the bad guys and you're the only one who's a genius and understands everything.

Yeah, that's pretty much true. Everyone who disagrees with me (yourself included, you mentally ill fagbreathed weirdo) recognizes that I'm right, but chooses to persist in their wrong (but self-pleasing) beliefs about Eva.

It's really satisfying to me finding out new things about Eva because there is always some group of retards who will shit their pants in anger over their fantasy take being disrupted by the canon facts of the matter. The kaworufags are especially prone to this, because they live in Tiffany Grant interviews and marketing posters.

It doesn't mean they should. Shounenspics were a mistake.

Makes you realize that if the angel attacks simply started 6 months later than they did, SEELE would have a perfect victory lined up.
They would have their full roster of 12 MP-Evas with perfect dummy plug control and S2 engines ready to effortlessly kill all angels that appear, with no further need for Gendo or NERV.
Are the MP-Evas all shittier in hand to hand than a 14 year old girl and her mom?
Sure, but that doesn't matter when they can lance everything.

The only thing that could stop them is the real lance, and there is only 1 of them to chuck around.