Kingdom 605 spoilers

historically Li Mu lost the trust of his King and was assassinated.
We have already seen the corrupt official scheming against Li Mu in the earlier chapters of the arc.

Well Ryo Fui was a major character and his arc was finished, so it's not like Riboku has to be there in the manga until the very end.

well that is pretty much what I said, Li Mu is going to get Got once he fails to dislodge Wang Jian and defend Gyou, which was the mission his King gave him.

will the Manga end with Li Xin's catastrophic Chu Campaign?

Is kingdom not posted on Yea Forums regulary because its a /his/ manga so we pretty much already know the ending?

Its supposed to go even after the unification according to Hara's latest interview he did in April before the live action movie debut.

the Li Clan did exist well into the Han Dynasty and managed to fuck up some other important campaigns there aswell, until one of Li Xins descendants literally defects to the Xiognu lmao

Why is Xin the MC and not Ousen or Ouhon?
They ended up being way more important to the unification than Xin

because everything major takes so long to play out. Theres only so much 1 chapter can do. You should have been here when we gto 3-5 chapters every 2-3 days.

author has more freedom with Shin other then Ousen and Ouhon cause Shin has a very little info in history so he can do whatever he wants with Shin while Ousen and Ouhon have major backgrounds and stated what parts they play

It's more that every single battle takes literal months when you are reading it as it releases, one chapter at a time.
Kingdom is absolutely amazing to marathon, but following it weekly every little thing just takes too damn long that by the time a battle is approaching its climax you don't even remember what really lead up to that point. There's just very little tension it can build.

I would much rather see an Ouki prequel Manga

Attached: 11E4A8C8-F9DE-4049-8745-DF4352B434F1.jpg (449x340, 69K)

would like to see a spin-off for the older generation of Generals like Ouki. young Renpa, etc

Chapters out lads fully translated.
sensescans.com/reader/read/kingdom/en/56/605/page/1

So what's Riboku's trick in this battle and what is Ousen doing by not assuming offensive position?

Maybe it has something to do with spreading out forces? Ousen is keeping is men all togheter in a tight formation.

I love Ousen

he is a magnificent bastard

that refugee stratagem literally had me stand up at my desk

Well if he takes no formation, then the enemy can't respond with any fancy tricks.

I really hope Riboku takes a hit here, him winning every time is getting real boring. Ousen winning every time never gets old though. best character

Riboku lost at Kanku and Sai

>doesn't do anything

W-what a genius strategist!

Warfare genius.

Attached: ousen.jpg (343x310, 54K)

But it never felt like he was really defeated. He's always been composed, somebody has to make him lose his shit

riboku looks unnerved already, Ousen will teach him True Fear™

He got outplayed, not outsmarted. I just wanted to see him lose to Kanki, now that would be comical.

Attached: 1523493562623.png (836x1200, 419K)

Ah yes the old make you're enemy think you're a retard by being a retard trick

Kanki is not out of the picture yet

Pretty sure kanki gets rekt in this campaign

If the enemy has plans and strategies for every plan from A to Y, and you do plan Z, you win.

How we are gonna get the "burn the books" arc?

Attached: B59B7A20-DA60-4E01-AE4E-DD0A1A6D5C05.jpg (1200x630, 59K)

If you pay attention to the panels and dialogue you'll realize the shieldfags essentially kick their feet off the ground backwards when receiving attacks from the sword chick and they have the space behind them to do it, that's fighting with weakness basically trying to tire her out instead of tightening up and trying to resist and getting tofu'd.

For Denrimi and Sou'ou it's really simple since it's already laid out for the reader. Riboku on offense uses the 'Great Crane Formation' while Sou'ou implies Ousen's favorite offensive formation is 'Crane Formation', likely it's just the same damn thing with minor differences. As for what the Crane Formation is, it's the basic expand before contracting, like how the tide on a beach shore tends to lead people out to sea if they try to stay near the edge of the water. It's aggressive because it pushes hard but at the same time invites the opponent into their fold into designated kill zones.

Contrast that to earlier when Denrimi fought Earl Kou, both sides did not use the Crane Formation at all, and so it was Earl Kou stacking shield troops to porcupine their ass, Denrimi wanting to use wave effects to knock down the stacked formation, and the Earl countering with minor adjustments on the shield directions while making sure the impact wave doesn't affect too many men.

What is actually very likely the crux of the matter, in the sense that Ousen is probably just gonna keep the infantry in the same square formation instead of mashing up. I doubt that's all it involves though since it doesn't seem like a real solution.

That's the next Zhao one. It'll be years later.

How are we gonna get the burn the historians" arc?

I don't get it.

Attached: 1486943669478.jpg (425x412, 20K)

The onus isn't really on Ousen atm, why doesn't he just sit back and fire arrows at Riboku

bury*

>troops drilled to adapt to anything
>don't use anything for them to adapt to

GENIUS.

why don't they just throw bombs at them?

Because he wants to become king and never fights battles he can't win. So now that he can win over Riboku he's riding at the front like the glorious madlad he is.

>why doesn't he just sit back and fire arrows at Riboku
It's questionable if his army even has enough arrows for that anymore.

The real plot hole is why the right wing doesn't center their kill strats based on the archer brothers. In theory there should be no way any of those guys can take Shin/Ouhon/Kyoukai + Archerfags support for very long. You'd have one brother constantly aiming for the general while the other constantly aims for the horse, what can the general possibly do? Not to mention one of the fights Shin got into lasted like half a day or at least a few hours. Even considering meat shields a few hours would be more than enough to threaten a general in the midst of heated combat.

I wonder what happend to the archer kids. why are they being benched?

My 2 cents is the author realized he made them too amazing. It's fine when an archer is a focus like during the Wei arc, or make sure the archer is always a factor like during the coalition arc. But this one is just meh.

He's fighting like a man who knows he's in a manga
>the right side is getting decimated?
>who cares we have shin and his plot armour there

>wait my tactic of sending 1/10 of the centres men led them getting killed?
>Guess it'd time to be an absolute madlad with no tactics

I hate those weird translated names

Dunno I'm gonna assume the earls are just faster at relaying info and tactics to their men so Ousen is gonna lead the line and manipulate tactics on the fly which will give him the upper hand. Riboku will do something in retaliation which will confirm him as the better leader but either the right flank breaking through or another message from gyou will force him to retreat

Did you miss the part where Gyou is about to fall to Kanki? Yotanwa is easily gonna bring them supplies once they control that whole area and knowing Kanki and his men they'll eat the fucking populace or something.

>Kanki sends the Qin army human meat

Attached: 1518403207571.png (852x1200, 449K)

>oh, you are finally here
>we prepared dinner for you all
>don't thank us, don't thank us

Zhao scum
Chu monkeys
Wei one pump chumps
Literal who Yan
Literal who Han
Qi is pretty based, though

Attached: Ouki laugh.jpg (400x284, 46K)

Kek, knowing the madlad he'd do it it too.
>Now, now, i never said it WASN'T people.

based and Qinpilled

Attached: Great General.png (720x727, 665K)

This battle has been going on for years lads. Are we actually almost done?

Has Shin learned basic army management yet? Is Ten still doing everything while he fights good and gets promotions?

Yeah, he's "instinct general now", basically means he makes his own decision after judging the situation in the middle of combat. He still follows Ten's orders most of the time.

>He still follows Ten's orders most of the time
Are there at least signs that he's not going to need to rely on her for everything? Last I read the rebellion had just wrapped up.

Idk... at first I thought it would be wrapped up around a hundred chapters, but we are past that mark with no end in sight. Right now I believe we have at least 20 chapters to finish this campaign.

I mean, she is his unit's tactician

Well, sounds like you expect Shin to become a brilliant tactician at some point, so no, that wont happen.

But she's not its strategist.

Attached: 1315407264598.png (640x480, 440K)

Nah, just some basic competence.

Based Bandit King playing General. Let him loot pillage and torture and he's nigh unstoppable.

They are too absurd for the author to use too often, because if they show up and the enemy leader doesn't die it's gonna be due to some bullshit plot reason.

He's always had that.

Attached: 002.png (860x1300, 278K)

I mentioned that I haven't read it in a while. Is there enough meat from the Rebellion arc on, or am I gonna get blue balled?

I feel like that arc ended ages ago, so i would say so. But reading it in bulk will probably make it feel a lot shorter.

>Kanki and his men they'll eat the fucking populace or something
Something that happened a lot in chinese history.

Only in the most dire situations.
No? The last time he took command was a total joke.
>"hey, move this "A" unit here"
>"that's not "A" it's "B"!"
>"who cares do dis!"
>it works
>Ten didn't manage to grasp that opponent does retarded shit only cause they don't expect him to
Nah, I don't read Kingdom for muh tactics or historical accuracy, but it's too silly most of the time.

No, it will obviously end with his redemption in the Qi campaign.

If we apply real life logic to the manga then pretty much everyone is retarded, how many of Riboku's victories hinge on the fact that his entire campaign depends on the whim of a madman forest hobo? And Riboku is supposed to be the smartest guy in this manga. Not to mention they constantly pull retarded magic strategies, like those whirpool formations that suck your army in, or as other anons have mentioned in this very thread, the sudden magic disappearance of archers, not only during this conflict in particular, but during most of them. Archers appear and reappear whenever it's convenient for the plot.
But, within the context of the manga, and it's nonsense "there are different types of generals and they counter each other like rock paper scissors!", Shin does have competence and he was the only one in that spot who could counter "hat's his bucket with the weird eyes" because he was also an "instinctual general" and they can see fires and shit.

Attached: 1557172730738.jpg (1024x748, 140K)

Because the other two can't have a tragic rise, fall and redemption arc.

Also
>Xin instead Shin
>Ou instead of Wang
Stick to one language

I think there will be more to Shin's failure in Chu than him just fucking up.

can't wait for Adult Shin

Attached: Shin.png (640x722, 604K)

Is that from 'Meng Wu and Chu Zi'? Christ he looks hilarious.

I think it is just Shins face on Oukis body

The failed chu invsion wasnt shins fault if i remember correct wasnt it military minister that defected and the whole thing became an inside job?

>Riboku is supposed to be the smartest guy in this manga
Ousen can basically see the future and read minds.

It's something I could picture though.

What i think is happening is, Riboku's army and formations are specialized in stopping forceful breakthroughs. Basically they can handle head on charges from both entire armies and small elite units. So Ousen ordered his entire army to just walk up to them and slug it out in a tight formation. This way there is no force to repel or disperse, they can't create killzones and it just becomes an ugly melee. Of course, with Ousen leading from the front with his freakishly strong liutenants and soldiers, this gives him the advantage, especially since Riboku spread out his army because of the formations. So basically, Ousen took away his army's main specialty, while his boys are probably more used to this kind of warfare, considering almost every one of his commanders is a killing machine.

I mean, given that it's Shou who defeats the invasion it probably was.

>Ousen: we need a fucking lot of troops to conquer Chu
>Shin: he's a pussy, I'll do it with twice less men!
>jobs
Not really. Shou Hei Kun surprisingly being a Chu's prince is a kick in the balls tho.

There were two inavsions, and teh first went like this It was totally Shin's fault, but a few external factors made it even worse. Second invasion was pretty simple, Ousen just got a million men and steamrolled the whole of Chu.

I wonder where Ou Sen's ambition is going to come in. Will he have something to do with Jing Ke?

Other people keep saying he wants his own kingdom, but he himself never said or shown to be so. I think it's just a ruse and he will turn out to be the greatest patriot or something.

We'll just have to see, I guess.

What do you think the reason for shou going back to chu is? i mean sei(qin shi huang) was known for being a cold and ruthless king will hara develop his character into such.

Hara already did the one shot, read it. I imagine the manga will follow that interpretation.

Don't know much about political front of Chu at that time, maybe they would tell him to fuck off if not for that dangerous situation they found themselves in.
Iirc Qin "mercury is better water" Shi Huang wasn't that batshit at first.

That would be a turn.

>kingdom thread
based

>an actual Kingdom thread with discussion
Cherish it lad.
Really love this manga, always something interesting and fun going on.

Oh god.