Is learning Japanese by watching anime and reading manga/hentai a bad idea?

Is learning Japanese by watching anime and reading manga/hentai a bad idea?

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Yes.

Yes. Anime and Raws should only be used for slang and looking how japanese is spoken today.
If you don't have any vocabulary under your belt (mainly kanji) you will not get far, even with watching anime.

>Is learning Japanese a bad idea?
Yes

Being exposed to the language through media is a good way to learn vocabulary.

Yes but all you're going to learn is catchphrases.
Japanese has a lot of words that sound the same (homophones) in speech but when you learn the written language, it makes sense what it means because of context.

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manga is not reading

You first need a foundation to build upon.

japanese media can be a tool to support your learning and get a sense of the structure and flow of real japanese conversations. and locate important overlooked vocabulary and grammar that is useful in everyday life. but it cannot be a foundation for language learning.

I know these threads are usually frowned upon, but since there is one already... Any recommendations where I should start? A book, or a website perhaps? I find myself with a lot of free time on my hands lately, so I figured out it would be interesting to try.

Reading manga works great. Anime, not so much so.

just make anime cards u inbred mongoloid

Yes. Just trust your local translators and praise the dark lord amen.

Define "bad".
You won't learn proper Japanese that you could use in Japan, but you will have fun.

>anime cards
The pinnacle of inbredness detected.

t. doesn't know japanese

Manga has too much picture desu. I mostly prefer ln/vn if I really want to read.

I understand most of them from context because I'm not a brainlet.

The context giving pictures are exactly what makes it beginner friendly.

Gonna have to agree with the guy saying that manga is good because it has pictures, but to be frank listening is far better than reading. If you read, you're not learning the correct pronunciation and you'll probably butcher it if you ever try to say it or not understand it when it's spoken at natural speed.

What are some good things to listen to when you're just starting out? I understand why anime's not ideal but I doubt I'll be able to understand anything if I turn on a radio or something.

No, anything that's interesting to you and native content is ideal for learning a language.

If you can't stand VNs and LNs, there's nothing wrong with mango and anime. It's less efficient, but actually sticking with it is more important than peak 16 hours a day learning.

But surely kana roughly always have the same pronunciation and after that it's just accents? I think reading, speaking and listening are all three entirely different skills. It's not like Japanese people themselves spend a decade learning the basic kanji.

use it as a support for get new words

Pitch accent is a thing, if you just read you will talk like a fucking retard.

>Duolingo is pretty decent for beginners.

No, just no, start with both genkis, no application can make you learn japanese.

English is pretty much one of the few languages easy enough to be learnt through an application (at least if your native language is romanic).

Genki is just as trash as duolingo.

Kinda. On one hand it's exposure to the language but you kinda set up a new personality profile in your head for when you use the new language and if you're letting hentai influence your language you can't really complain when you find yourself no longer need to self-insert in a doujin plot.

Are you just shitposting or did you never open a genki?
Even genki one is miles away from duolingo.

I've heard so much stories about people trying to learn Japanese through duolingo and not being able to even pass N5.
Wich is only natural, Japanese is way too different from english to be learnt through those kind of applications.

Genki has clear goals and achievable ones, Genki 1 is supposed to make you N5 and the 2 N4. It doesn't try to go to fast and teach you all you need to know in order to get those tests.
If you stick to these two you should at least be able to watch easy SOL anime, what about duolingo?

you're all retarded lmao

>Genki 1 is supposed to make you N5 and the 2 N4.
This, I can believe.

The problem is that N4 is an absolute joke. I don't even recognise N5 as a thing, back when I was learning it WASN'T a thing, they added it just to get more money off weebs who couldn't even put in the week's worth of effort required to hit N4.

If you stick to Genki, you will learn next to nothing. If you stick to duolingo, you'll learn next to nothing. There's no real difference.

It's laughable to think you can watch even easy SOL shit with N4. Maybe with N3.

How you decide to study the language is not that important. What really fucking matters is:

youtube.com/watch?v=SlCRfTmBSGs

Now go do your anki reps you lazy shit.

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Test.

>N4
>N5
>N3

what the fuck is this gay shit

do i get to switch classes to paladin at N2?

It's not like they just added N5, they changed everything. At least according to this, N5 is harder than the old lowest level.

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No. It's impossible, but the idea's great.

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Gekijouban Yokoku .... user reveals where he learned Japanese ....

This.

most of amine manga have broken word.
you learn the word from it
i dont recommend

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Is nipspeak really that hard? We are talking about learning a language, but it sounds like you are arguing about rocket science.

If you're not a retarded anglophone, you can figure out the correct pronunciation from kana 99% of the time, Japanese writing is phonetic. What you can't figure out is kanji from hearing. Learning this way leaves you illiterate in case of Japanese

They actually do. Not because you need a decade, but because the nip education system is retarded

At first? It's hard. Then you realize it's just very time consuming.

I do understand that but speaking is really more of a skill if you actually want to live in Japan and have a successful life blending in. I'm not sure that is most people's goals. Odds are you will sound like a retard no matter what if you aren't actively talking to a nice blend of genuine Japanese people who aren't from one local area or second-hand speakers themselves. Most people who speak any language sound like retards to other speakers of that language.

It's definitly harder than learning a romanic language but not impossible.
It also depends on your goal, if all you want is to be able to speak with Japanese people it will be quite easy but if your aime is let's say fluently read light novels it will be a lot harder.

fuck off m*tt

Sorry, that was meant to be sarcastic. I am aware they do that. My point is reading and speaking are entirely different skills. Speaking is easy in any language, all you have to do is surround yourself with other people who speak the language. But reading has to be learned and is a completely different skill. The government tries its best to dumb down the language to aid literacy levels and would love to scrap the entire writing system altogether, so they are not the same skills to learn.

What do you expect from the Prussian education system? No one should still be using that shit.

I know I am going to sound like a newfag but from which page is this girl from? lingualift? Is that site good for beginners? I was going to start going to japanese classes in september and I wanted to learn a bit myself before they start.

I was thinking I could try doing something productive with my free time for a change, and learning a new language sounds useful. There is also an added bonus of gaining the ability to understand some of my favorite media. I've already learned English and French, though the latter one is getting rusty, because I don't consume any French media nor do I have the motivation to do so. It might be a different story with Japanese, but I'm still not quite sure.

nice larping, but stay on with your spam of this whore

>larping
Do you know what that word means?

How do you learn Japanese by watching anime? It's been 11 years since I started warching it and I've learned absolute jackshit.

Use your brain. Try to connect sounds (words) spoken by the characters to the subtitles.

>t. someone who couldnt learn japanese.

My brother copied down the lyrics from VHS recordings I made of Ranma back in 1996, self-taught the hiragana/katakana and some kanji, then went on to study it formally in university, so it's a good way to stoke your interest. And yes, many song lyrics are full of the same few (catch)phrases, so you'll eventually master at least those.

He's a filthy Yea Forumsermin crossboarder who doesn't know what he's talking about, don't entertain him

>trusting subs

You can't. But if you pay attention you learn many words and set phrases that make things a bit easier later.

If you're white or black, you will never learn Japanese.

you retarded spammers

It's a good way to pick up ordinary words commonly used in conversation, but pretty useless for complex concepts or even watching live TV where they use much more grammatically-involved sentences.

Worked for me, for the most part. After 11 years you should have encountered enough good subs to make it possible.

I know you were probably shitting in diapers at the time, but Yea Forums used to have daily Japanese learning threads itself before this place completely went to shit.

>blablabla
And you used to be in your father's balls. Kill yourself and go back, retard.

I mean, I can understand about a third of what the characters are saying without subtitles, but that's not really an achievement. It also works only one way, so I can't form a sentence myself.

I started learning recently and I've found that I've picked up a few words I didn't even realise I knew. I definitely wouldn't say I learned japanese through anime but it's helped me with some words and phrases that I might've struggled with otherwise.

Can confirm.

ラジオ体操

>t. corbin

You can't. Studies have been done, reading translated subtitles just completely retards the learning process.

You can maybe achieve a 1k vocab with a decade of watching anime, but that's extremely mediocre given you can learn that much in a month if you actually study.

Imagine being so autistic about some fucking cartoons and related pop media that you learn a completely foreign language for them.

If you still can't understand anything then you're a lost cause. Give up.

You're not a brainlet, yet can't deduce what 騎射 is?

I only took formal classes at the community centre when I was 35, so he's way ahead of me. I do have Japanese customers that I've interacted with in broken Japanese, so at least I kind of have a little more confidence in myself. I even watched a Japanese live action drama a few months back, which provided somewhat more natural language than your average animeand also learned that lawyer is 弁護士, which I could correlate to 弁魔士, from that magical lawyer show, so it's definitely a more fun way to expand the vocabulary. Even if it's slower than rote learning, I'll probably still remember the term on my deathbed.

Comme je l'ai deja dit le Japonais n'est pas impossible a apprendre, cela prendra juste du temps.
Il vous faudra etre perseverant mais avec du travail et de la patience vous finirez par y arriver. Les genkis semblent etre un bon point de depart que je recommende.

many japanese people have trouble understanding each other because they're from different areas and this can hinder even everyday conversation, so i agree that as long you're "understandable" it's probably fine because odds are people will know you're a forigner immediately from your appearance- i know at least in china they love foreigners who speak their language
t. has jap friends

Close to impossible. Even if you somehow managed to get your listening to a semi-acceptable level, you're still fucked when kanji starts flashing across the screen.
There are some advantages to having watched a lot of anime before you make the effort to start learning. Mostly picking up words and generic phrases. I remember seeing people asking questions on DJT about what sentences meant and for some of them I knew it instinctively just by hearing them in anime.

はい。その通りです

Don't learn the Language if your motivation is based on the memes and/or any other shite!!!
It would be impossible for me to learn English if I were interested only in films and other media-related stuff.
Learn the language only if:
1) You don't know English (so learn it)
2) You have to deal with native fuckers
3) You are a retarded linguaphile

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do rtk

with japanese subs

It's not if you really invest time into it. I did that and now I can read japanese fanfic/doujinshi without much trouble now. Don't avoid kanji, though. If there's a word you don't know, look it up.

>learn a lenguage to do boring stuff instead of the things you like
Some people want to have fun, user.

>It would be impossible for me to learn English if I were interested only in films and other media-related stuff
This is probably the most common way eslfags learn english, what are you talking about?

ignore this entire post it's all shit

Well if you're learning Japanese in order to watch anime and read manga than you're going to run into them at some point.

>Some people want to have fun, user.
Yah, it's always fun to hear how foreigners try to speak my language.
>This is probably the most common way eslfags learn english, what are you talking about?
Before consuming memes, articles and films, most of them at least went to school where they learnt a few things about the language. It wasn't about fun in the first place, It was mostly about: "Fuck these these anglo tenses and rules of reading reeeee!!!"

You seem mad

My waifu has motivated me to start learning Japanese. Her source material must get a proper translation by my own hand.

If you have a basic understanding of the symbols used for their language and sentence structure then sure but learning from scratch with just anime is a horrible idea.

Who is your waifu?

>homphones meme
I wonder how they even communicate with each other verbally when their entire language is apparently made of 5 homophones, or so you dumb faggots make it seem.

Honestly sounds like you're projecting your difficulty in learning English mate. Nobody I know irl that has a decent grasp of it learned it in class.

Fuck, I remember 5 years ago I learned hirigana and katakana in 2 days, even though most people say they do it in an afternoon. Haven't progressed since then.

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I don't need your fucking moonrunes to watch anime without subs, you obnoxious kanjitards.

Fucking this. Japanese is just like any other language, they could get used to writing it phonetically.

Why remove the retard filter?

It's not worth learning spoken Japanese just to watch anime.
Even if you only focus on spoken Japanese, it'll take years until you can watch anything without pausing to look up things multiple times an episode. Or not pausing and just not understanding what was said.

>he didn't take 30 mins for hiragana and katakana and move on to reading

it's the same as for every other language - you first study the basics, than you practice them by actually engaging the language through media or using it

It's impossible to learn the language being motivated by getting F U N of the content prodused on it. There should be something more about it, like lingual passion where you just naturally can't stand being limited by the languages you're already able to speak.
As I said before
Learn the language only if:
1) You have to deal with native fuckers
2) You are a retarded linguaphile

>Yah, it's always fun to hear how foreigners try to speak my language.
What's your language? And why are you so triggered?

3 and a half years ago I opened up /djt/ for the first time since its creation, because I realised that if I'd just started learning back when I laughed at the retard who made it for doing some "5 kanji a day" thing with RTK, I would've known Japanese by then.

I wasn't going to wait another 5 or 10 years, and then look back again and wish I'd started learning back then. So I started learning that day, and now Japanese is easy as fuck. But hey, keep looking back and thinking about what could've been, I'm sure that'll work out eventually.

I have literally no fucking desire to ever output Japanese, and I'm fluent for the purpose of consumption. I also have no interest in languages in general, I only know English and nip.

Learning a language for the content is the only sane way to learn one.

Wanikani for reading and vocabulary (costs $89 a year, but is worth it), Tae Kim for grammar.

Around Wanikani Lvl 20 you should be able to begin reading simple first-grader stuff like Yotsubato without too much frustration. That's 6-12 months, depending on the amount of practice time you invest daily.

>What's your language?
Take a guess based on the mistakes I've (likely) made.
>And why are you so triggered?
I'm not.
>Learning a language for the content is the only sane way to learn one.
So, you won't even finish the path you choose

>Is learning the language of a dying country to watch cartoons a bad idea?
It sure is

>tfw somewhat interested in learning another language
>am also legitimately retarded in that even though i probably know more of other languages than most people i regularly fuck them up
>when i was in japan accidentally spoke french in response to questions several times
>am not from france and know barely any japanese or french, just a very basic amount
FUCK ME

You have to be literally retarded to use Wanikani. Not only are you paying for an objectively inferior version of a free application, but you're also massively restricted both in the way you use it, and locked into the service potentially for life because there's no way to export your progress.

You're completely deluded if you think fun isn't a great reason to learn a language. I know so many people who learned english because they wantd to play video games as a child.

Is kanji through vocabulary the best way?

>But hey, keep looking back and thinking about what could've been, I'm sure that'll work out eventually.
>tfw remember how a few years ago I considered learning then gave up after beginning the kana
>would be fluent by now if I had kept going
>would be at least decent if I had picked it up the first time I realised this
>go through a cycle of realising this and cursing myself at least once every few months

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>who learned english because they wantd to play video games as a child
They were kiddos. As a kid it's generally easier to learn anything.

The best time to start is yesterday. The second best time to start is now.

Sure, but they learned it because they wanted to have fun. It's no different for us aside from how fast we'll learn.

>but they learned it because they wanted to have fun
How do you know that?

It's ok to have fun as a motivation when you are a child. Plus, I don't think they knew nothing about english before they'd started to learn. Even in my town kids get the english lessons.

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Her name is not relevant to this thread. Having her entire light novel series right in front of me yet being unable to understand it has given me a very high level of motivation to push through this.

my first piece of advice is to ignore all the advice in this thread (except this post)

You sound a lot like one of those people that think you shouldn't learn anything unless it's for financial gain.

>Kids leanring a foreign language because they want to play games
>How do you know they learned a foreign language because they wanted to have fun?
Did you even read the posts you're replying to?

Is it Haruhi?

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>unless it's for financial gain
you see, the people who are interested in financial gain advertise lingua schools and resources to sell more books and realted shite.
Learn the language if your reason is not as temporary as the period of time you are into one specific culture (and having fun of it). Don't waste your time.

>Learn the language if your reason is not as temporary as the period of time you are into one specific culture
Sure, if it's your first week watching animu, you probably shouldn't learn Japanese.

But most people here have been watching seasonal shit for at least a decade at this point. I can't see myself ever getting tired of lusting after schoolgirls, even as I approach 30. At some point you have to stop seeing things as a "phase", and start realising they're just basic reality.

No but her series first came out around the same time period (late 00's).

Kino's Journey?

Jintai?

>hurr u a retard
How old are you? 11?
>Not only are you paying for an objectively inferior version of a free application
Which would be? If you say Anki, then you haven't even invested enough time to know what you're talking about.
>but you're also massively restricted both in the way you use it
What?
>locked into the service potentially for life because there's no way to export your progress
What? It's a basic language course we're talking about here. Are you locked into first grade for life too?
Go back to r*ddit and fart around there. I'm sure there's a sub for upstanding african-americans who rage against spending a dime on education.

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Basic reality is when every interesting thing on the interent is in English. Basic reality is when your friends can often be not of the same nation with you. Basic reality is when you are to study one specific language up till the 11th grade. Basic reality is when this one scecific language's surrounding almost every aspect of your existence as you're trying not to be a piece of your degenerated background.

Why isn't this thread going back to page 1 when someone posts? Not retarded enough to meet Yea Forums's standards?

No. You won't guess it unless I tell you because it's a series where I'm literally the only person who still cares about it.

Retard.

Good luck user, I've got a similar motivator so I'm rooting for you. We're both gonna make it, no way I can give up when I've got her face staring back at me.

Mods hate /djt/ threads. Can't allow such threads to take up space that could be used for a shounenshit general.

If the thread is worth auto-saging, why not just delete it?

>oh noes, one thread in a blue moon to motivate anons to study for their waifus

I only kinda of agree because I think Wanikani's mnemonic is not universally as useful as they try to sell it.

There are other books that may have mnemonic for remember kanji than better fit you than Wanikani.

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Literally kill yourself, you faggot.

This. They went as far as inventing a fake crusade to eliminate the threads from here, that's how butt devastated the mods are about getting called EOPs.