Have there been manga stories so good you can forgive bad art

Anything by ONE
HxH
Tsuyokute new saga (hits a sweet spot with me but the art is so fucking lazy and generic)

There's a lot of them

Hell, just look at the success that ONE has had. Although the Murata remake is a big factot there, the fact that he got an artist like Murata to redraw one of his comics in the first place when it looks like THAT is a sign that there are things that are more important than pure draftsmanship.

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OPM the webcomic version

>Imagine being this retarded.
I know, right?

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One has incredible timing

that's a cool transformation sequence

How would you break down the factors that make up a manga's art?

maybe something like

A) Technical artistic ability
B) Storytelling
C) Design (characters, setting, etc)

there has to be more to it, though

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>using one page demonstrating the inner monologue of a strategist correctly to try and make a point about the entire narrative.

To quote your boyfriend "stop trying it's making me sad"

>shows an example of Togashi's terrible work
That's literally what the thread's about moron.

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i'm no togashi hater but he gets away with tons of shit that literally no one else could in a million years because of his rep

good example of how success can be deleterious to someone's mojo, because people stop going "this is fucking stupid; change it"

"yeah people keep deferring to this guys just because he's made some of the best manga of all time psssssht why don't they listen to me instead"

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are you trying to prove user's point or are you just retarded?

>he gets away with tons of shit that literally no one else could in a million years because of his rep
They let him do what he wants bec he is still in the Top 10 Yearly Sales by Volume despite the hiatuses, beating 99% of mangaka with regular releases. It has nothing to do with his previous success. Publishing companies are not charitable institutions.

animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-11-29/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-volume-2018/.140164

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>until now, no one disagreed he's a shitty writer
kek, okay then

when you have year-long gaps between releases your ongoing series counts as "previous success"

>when you can't argue with the facts so you switch gears & focus on attacking the hiatus
YuYu Hakusho is his previous success.

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Yeah fuck this great creator for being sick/having injuries/not wanting to make garbage.

>not wanting to make garbage
but he does

"WHY ISN'T EVERYTHING BLEACH"

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Don't mind the troll. He can't provide any facts to support his views & is just bored.

In a purely visual medium like manga, you've already subconsciously decided to put additional care towards visuals. If all you want is story then read a book.

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Fuckin oops

comicbook.com/anime/2018/05/28/hunter-x-hunter-new-sales-record-anime-manga/

This same argument works in reverse, go look at a painting.

>'Hunter x Hunter' Hits New Sales Record
based Togashi

Read the post again faggot.

well, he did state that the art and writing are bad, which they are, and all you could say is
>b-but it sells
no one disproved him, and you probably can't since things like "o my rubber nen", "o my slots", "o my secret brother" are fruits of a terrible writing.

>comparing manga with mediocre art to books with no art at all.
You can't be this dumb.

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>he did state that the art and writing are bad, which they are
No one is denying this. HxH is literally the 1st answer to the thread.

>and all you could say is b-but it sells
Read again. I was responding to his 1st comment about Togashi given free reign only bec of his previous rep. I literally quoted it but it seems you can't read. I didn't address his "this is fucking stupid; change it" comment bec he didnt specify what exactly.

Berzerk. at least the first 5 volumes or so.

Kodomo no Jikan is the only manga I've read that has a story that good and it doesn't hae bad art.

Angel Densetsu, albeit the art improved significantly over time

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yeah, its how i started one piece and now i love the art.

He said good stories

beastars had some pretty fucking terrible art when it first came out, and even now you could argue that it still doesnt look good but shit is it enjoyable

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wrong, you just didn't like the art style. It was still well-drawn.

I like Angel Densetsu's art.

>purely visual medium like manga
We are talking about manga, not painting

Shingeki no Kyojin.

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Attack on Titan

the art has soul

I still dont get the "its like humans without skins or genitals" thing
Its just lulrandom kinda designs.

i think you have subconsciously decided to put additional care towards being a retard

OPM
Mob Psycho
Strongest Man Kurosawa
Not manga but Tsukihime VN

read the manga

ONE PUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNCH

Leave Tits McGee, er Carol out of this.

I watched like 5min of the anime and hated everything about it so maybe I should read the manga.

Don't lie faggot OPM has amazing art.

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All manga is objectively bad art.

>purely visual medium
>manga
nigga please

Cromartie high
Some 2hu fan manga

Make me.

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Ping pong
Tatami Galaxy
OMK & Chikan man
Some 4 koma are fun despite the bad drawings, see K-on or SYD. The anime made them Justice.

right side was good enough to compensate for the bad art, and even to get a better artist to do a spinoff.

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Dumb muratafag

Onani master kurozawa

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I really liked the art.

The art was less bad than it was dirty. They were giving us the second draft.

Now that I Iook back on it, the art is not as bad as I rememberd it to be.

Fucking hell, left looks soulless. There's 0 identity.

One's story should be made into a movie in a few decades.

Not saying it doesn't but it's definitely not its strong point.

Nope beastars sucked in terms of art at the beginning. Its turned decente eventually

The art was unpolished but it had lot of soul.

Pretty much everything written by Go Nagai.
Fourteen
The Drifting Classroom
Kinnikuman

Only the colossal have no skin because his main power is produce steam as weapon.
The others titan are genitalialess since they are """"human"""" forced to became monsters due the injection of serum

The female titan doesn't have a skin, the fuck are you on.

Facial expressions in this manga evoke way more life and emotion than in most manga with polished art.

I don't even start reading manga with art styles I dislike, like shoujo.
I can stomach bad art, but something like Fist of the Seeker which is drawn by Kengan Asura's writer is too much for me.

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It's interesting to see what people's standards for "bad art" are. Plenty of manga posted in this thread are ones I'd consider having good art.

A manga can have an interesting story and decent art but still be a chore to read if the paneling is lacking.

Oda has the problem more often than he should

What happens if a male pure titan eats the female titan?

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>>Kazuo Umezu
>>bad art
Okay now you're just setting the bar too high

What's bad about this?

the skirts are too long

Not necessarily bad, but unpolished. Compare this with Yokoda's Jump serialisations and you can see this is not the best he can do. Compare Yokoda's Jump serialisations with what he did on Gekkan Young magazine to appreciate what he could really draw with more time buffer

rarely

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>0 identity
But the mc never had a face to begin with

>worse writing.
Nice try hero cuck. Even the author of your retarded capeshit admitted his mistakes, yet you dumbfucks never noticed anything. Imagine having the reading comprehension of goldfish.

Right one is unironically better-looking than left though.
True that the left has better control over lines, but the right one knows how to make interesting compositions.

Good to know the only people on Yea Forums who care about "manga with bad art and good story" are retarded crossboarders and shonenshitters.

I like how zero, I mean ZERO, non-shonenshit manga have been mentioned in this thread. Also all these imported reaction images, at least fucking try next time.

Fucking loved Onani Master. The rough lines make it feel really intimate

Give up drawanon, you won´t be able to get good at writing either

Are you alright user?

ITT people who can't write or draw.

Ehh? The art was pretty good in this. Details were bit missing, but its certainly better than 90% of the manga art

>HxH
>Bad art

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Not only is he irredeemable as fuck but he's making up all these asspulls after multiple years of hiatuses.

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this one is not really good either

Name ONE(1) more or less popular manga with objectively shitty art.
You literally can't.

ONE and tkmiz are perfect examples of this, like they say in the show, what's important is to be stylishly bad and have extremely solid fundamentals

Junji Ito

>implying

Not exactly manga.

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Yep.

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Hells Angel

From what this thread told me is that kickass composition can save mediocre art

It gets better but the beginning is really rough in that aspect. Good thing the facial expressions were hilarious from the get-go.

To think that's from the same guy who did Claymore, it's kinda mindblowing how much he improved.

I think you're conflating a change in media with "polish".

ouch this image hurts and I don't know why

Fpbp.

plenty
the story and characters are far more important than the art for a manga

what's the point of judging other people's art when we ourselves will never be able to create art

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What? I love tkmiz' art and think it's very nice looking. looking at it again I get what you mean though, it's still great

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Not manga, but Tokyo Godfathers.

IMO comic/manga art can be broken down into five major elements

>Technical Quality
Anatomical quality, minute detail, art ability, etc.
>Kineticism
The sense of movement conveyed.
>Layouts
Imaginative and effective paneling.
>Expressiveness
How well emotions are conveyed visually.
>Character Design
The quality of the characters' designs.

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Love Roma. One of the greatest romance mangas Ive ever read.

rent free

Actually, I have to correct one thing about my post. Instead of "character design", I'd have to say "visual design" because you also have to tack into account backgrounds, general artstyle and whatnot.

you are kidding right

ONEs art is so bad that it becomes good.

ONE's art is specifically designed so if you have a strong imagination it enhances the story tenfold, he is a genius.

why did he even use the medium? what prompted him to write so many words when less gets the message across better? Is the character an ass or is the mangaka an ass

Looks like shit.

>Ping Pong
Fuck off faggot.

Isayama is bad at drawing user, I'm sorry to break it to you

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he used to be bad. Now he´s art is just fine. average most of the time and shows some good panels from time to time.

This is individual volume sales. Not total yearly sales by series so no it doesn't beat 99% of other mangaka with regular releases. HxH doesn't even hit top 10.
animenewsnetwork.com/news/2018-11-29/top-selling-manga-in-japan-by-series-2018/.140163

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I'm not the only one who's still mad he didn't fuck the cute short-haired genki girl who came into his apartment all the time right

Hinamatsuri for comedy.

Umezu is like the manga equivalent of awful b-movies. He is not a good artist or writer, but he doesn't need to be.

Now son, now listen here just because you don't like Fukumoto's idiosyncratic art style doesn't mean his art is bad. It's just an acquired taste, like good scotch, coffee, or semen.

every professional critic in the world should have this tattooed on their forearm

>never tell a chef his food is shit
>chef never improves, continue eating feces on a plate

that's not how it works

The problem is when you start to drift into the level of general competency and your lack of skill and know-how makes you incapable of accurately judging the quality of something.

I feel bad saying it because I love his work, but FKMT. His stories are a lot stronger than his artwork. He's improved a lot, but it takes some getting used to.

I think his art style really suits his narratives, though, so I don't want him to change it.

AAAADA KOODA SODA!

>food analogy

It's not a food analogy, it's a shit analogy.

>no argument
>the brick wall that is the food analogy remains unbroken

Used to be One Piece, but the story went to shit around the marineford war.