Waifuism, and less about freaks and warriors?
Idk man go on my animelist and the farther you go back the less moe shit there was, and the more freak/robot and robots. I actually feel alienated among anime fans or speaking about anime in general because everyone will act like a little girl or something about moe anime.
Why has it become more about moe shit and slice of life rather than the hero's journey or fighting for one's ideals
I didn't get to reply last time
It happened around Macross
sheesh, that was a while ago.
The bots were nice, but it kinda did have the romance stick
Fuck off normalfag
I agree op, i hate moeshit. Its killing anime for me
nope you are the normalfag who is following the bandwagon
Anime reflects the state of Japanese society. Senko-san represents a decaying society in which a wife to come home to might as well be a mystical treasure.
City Hunter was literally a romance manga made by an author who had just written another successful romance manga.
when did
writing on Yea Forums
become so much
like reddit
it wasn't as overt as these ones now with these cookie cutter, picture perfect girls
You are such a newfag
when
people always spaced out their posts on this site
but phoneposters who hate having to scroll extra started tarring it as reddit to do so
been on this site longer than you most likely.
why are you acting like City hunter was some super serious anime when the chick on the left can pulled a hammer out of nowhere and smack the MC when he does something stupid.
Basically, it has had waifism even before it was about warriors and what ever. Remember muyazaki had a wifu when he was kid because of some anime movie. Just think about how fucking old was that shit.
CH is trash. I bet you like Lupin too.
>this tired, blatantly untrue bullshit again
Cute, sexy girls have been a staple of art since humans first applied pigment to rock. No matter the era, no matter the culture, we're all horny pervs at heart.
Waifuism and moe characters has been a thing at least since the early 80s. It's just that you only watch surface level trash now while before it was curated for you because anime wasn't so ubiquitous. There are still /m/echa shows every season and decent films get released every month but you keep watching the same old slice of life moeshit every season like everyone else.
I'm s glad otaku "ruined" anime
If you actually went and watched those old shows you'd realize they tend to be pretty bad. Those anime back then were generic and filled with tropes just like today. It's just more obvious cause there's more anime being made nowadays and the culture around it has grown.
It's true that old anime tend to be less around slice of life stuff and more about adventures or sci fi than now. What I find weird is that retards like OP put a quality judgement on that.
>what is Cutey Honey
>ctr f adventure: 22
>ctr f action: 27
>ctr f fantasy: 27
>ctr f sci-fi: 11
>ctr f drama: 14
>ctr f slice of life: 13
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>OP literally unironically mentions mal
>accelerator show is listed as action/sci fi
And I'm the queen of france.
"Science fiction" user, what's a better way to describe Raildex.
>Those anime back then were generic and filled with tropes just like today
Litterally every piece of fiction is filled with tropes and I'd rather have trash than the dumpster fires that we get today(there's a few gems here and there, I'll admit)
Modern anime is great though.
Nah, I'd say the 2000s had a good run but
after that the majority of anime went to shit albeit a couple of exceptions
Most modern anime tend to be at least competent. Especially the directing and stuff like sound design are leagues above your typical 80s show.
Even the forgetable seasonal shit is watchable and has some decent stuff to it. I'd say anime has gotten better at not being shit.
>Especially the directing and stuff like sound design are leagues above your typical 80s show
Nah, I don't see anyone as dynamic as Osamu dezaki these days. The forgettable seasonal shit may be watchable but it still isn't as good as something you'd get from the 80s, An example of this is Galient, It's forgettable for sure but has a decent amount of good shit to it that surpasses any average modern anime show you'd get today.
80s waifus > current day waifus
>Waifuism, and less about freaks and warriors?
They've been around since the mid-70s.
But if we're talking about when "waifuism" took over the industry, it started with late 70s and early 80s manga (notably Lemon People) and the mid-80s with the OVA boom when otaku started making anime.
shit! hahaha!
For example from the 80s
>loli loli loli loli
>loli loli loli loli
>abunai lolitaaaa
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Action, adventure and fantasy = isekai, isekai = harem > all these shows are about waifuism
the thing was that there was far less of it.
There was far less anime in general.
Proportionately, the ratio is about the same as it is now.
Even people on early 90s internet complained about the state of anime (calling it kawaii desu shit) and wanted to go back to the 70s.
Another 80s example
This is supposed to be a hyperviolent adult OVA with sex and gore. It's considered a staple of 80s anime in Japan..
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>Uhh, modern anime is all waifuism
Fundamentally wrong, but sex sells, get over it
Anime is more dynamic than ever the fuck are you talking about.
My mom is a big fan of this manga...
Not him but the industry is more dynamic, as in there's much larger variety of different kinds of anime now more than ever.
The anime itself isn't dynamic though. More genres and types of anime are represented in modern seasons compared to 80s seasons, but more anime are borderline copies of whatever else is in their genre.
Anime used to be less dynamic in the sense of what was available, but a lot of 80s anime had their distinct directing styles and writing styles and visual styles, even if they belong to the same genre.
>sex sells
This is what's baffling to me about current anime watchers, they love all the waifu stuff but as soon as there's any actual H content it's "gross" and "disgusting".
Not really? There's more hentai produced now more than ever. Ecchi anime is much tamer, though.
Are you kidding? Loads of waifufags would rejoice if they got official H content.
Dynamic in terms of directing and sound design which is what Osamu dezaki and his works excel at
When ?
When the hell has that happened?
Did Jackie chan do a live action of this?
Well that's just plain wrong. Modern anime are very destinct too. Compare anything from Kyoani to Shaft. Go watch a Hosoda movie and then something by Shinkai. Yeah yeah all isekai are trash and the same garbage but there's also stuff like Shingeki no Bahamut or Konosuba which are totally their own thing. Watch Space Dandy if you think there's a lack of styles in modern anime.
I honestly feel like the 80s lacked this kind of variety be it what kind of story is told or the styles, modern anime certainly doesn't.
>moeshit
Smell like Yea Forums spirit in here.
It all went downhill in 1973 when Gou Nagai invented moeshit with his infamous manga & anime series "Cutey Honey"
>Mature anime for adults like me
Anime with tweening looks so funny
Here's your old-school 80s anime, bro.
What happened?
>hero’s journey
>fighting for one ideals
there are plenty of battle shounen in publication and being animated, you seem like you just want whatever is big to be about the heroes journey, which is such a boring fucking trope after you turn 12.
only kids care about hero wins and villain dies, most rather watch a show with no real plot and just characters just having stupid creative fun to relax.
>I honestly feel like the 80s lacked this kind of variety be it what kind of story is told or the styles, modern anime certainly doesn't.
Space Cobra already did the same stuff and more that space dandy did(It also influenced dandy), Hosoda movies and shit by shinkai are cool and all but not as good or distinct as shit by ghibli or the galaxy express 999 movie. Isekai was much better in the 80s and above(Dunbine and fushigi yuugi), 80s anime had less variety in the shows that were available at the time but excelled in their distinct, directing and visual styles
idk dude, modern anime is pretty varied. I understand how you feel though.
By and large, older animation was better, because it was hand-drawn and had soul which can't really be reproduced. We should just be happy that we have tons of classics to dive into and watch.
Modern anime is varied but the quality and ambition has declined.
This is not because the people making it are talentless, it's just because more anime is being made and anime is generally much shorder.
stop being a white girl.
>most rather watch a show with no real plot and just characters just having stupid creative fun to relax.
It was the exact opposite for me. Too many slice of life US shows pissed me off, not enough action or warriors.
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its not like he was talking about the community but it catalogs titles. Sorry you are so insecure you think visiting a site with give you the gay.
>hand-drawn
I think the term you mean is "traditional." Anime is still drawn by human hands.
Though, a lot of anime even today are drawn on paper first, then scanned and drawn over digitally.
>because it was hand-drawn and had soul
It still is hand-drawn....
I'd say it's more that they found a formula which works and stuck with it
>go on my animelist
Yea Forums's dead
>I didn't get to reply last time
Probably because you're a massive faggotron
On average, modern animation is better now than it was then.
Modern anime's animation just never reached or even gotten close the heights of the best of 80s/90s movies and OVA animation.
There's TV anime from the last two decades with animation that would have only been feasible with OVA or movie budget during the 80s.
Moe was always a things in anime
The main difference is that the retro artstyle up untill the 00's was kinda rough around the edges so the whole "overly cute" thing didn't become a problem untill recently
They don't make em like they used to.
Space Cobra and ashita no joe 2 don't have a movie level budget and the animation quality still holds up today
>little boy gets sent to a video game fantasy world RPG and gets surrounded with cute girls
Was Ramune ahead of its time?
There's a lot of 90s isekai with RPG references and cute girls actually
King Gainer and g-reco don't have a movie level budget and the animation quality BTFOs any pre-digital tv series
Next season has:
>Ensemble Stars
>Given
>Katsute Kami Datta Kemono-tachi e
>Star Mu 3
>Try Knights
>Vinland Saga
You don't have to watch moeshit if you prefer men.
>ever watching moe shit
The most moe I'll go is Sailor Moon and Cardcaptors. Moeblobs need to be removed.
>King Gainer
>g-reco
To be fair, that's Sunrise. Sunrise has almost always had great animation ever since the success of Gundam.
It's less of a generational issue and more of a Sunrise thing, they haven't disappointed too much for nearly 40 years now.
When it got good.
I disagree with you, Moe was always there plus there's enough shows coming out each season to satisfy most fanbases except sci-fi fags. Though I am pissed at CGDCTs today because of fucking oshii
what i meant was didn't use computers/flash
oshii is a hack who cares what he does
Plenty of 80s anime "used computers"
Nah
>Makes MC based off main girl of my favorite anime
>Turns it into Yuri
Seriously fuck this genre. Even yaoi has not ruined anything for me
Does anybody have that image that shows that a lot of the handdrawn element of modern anime is actually really detailed, but loses its detail when scanned and digitally coloured? I've seen someone post an image making comparisons to using a scene from some recent cute-girls-doing-cute-things show where in production a scene looks detailed with its shading and use of colour but the final, digital product is really flat and simple
it looked good then tho
Got another example of quality pre digital animation
>"But modern anime is good too!"
>The best anime of this decade doesn't hold a candle to the best anime of the 90s/80s
there are plenty of battle shounen in publication and being animated
Do you mean something like this?
tell me what you think is the best anime of this decade and what are the best anime of the 80s and 90s.
>The best anime of this decade doesn't hold a candle to the best anime of the 90s/80s
Xebec really killed it with Fafner Exodus and Yamato 2199
This is the 2nd greatest anime of the 80s and it looks like shit compared to modern anime
>B-But it started airing in late 1979
Shut the fuck up the movie came out in 1981
So in conclusion, some anime looks good and some anime looks bad.
But the movies are recaps of the TV series and only the last like 5-10 episodes are from the 80s.
Still had it's high points
>Especially the directing and stuff like sound design are leagues above your typical 80s show.
Directing is actually shit. Sound design stopped to be creative and now they abuse of Sound Ideas, Hollywood Edge and Johnnie Valentino's (Saban's sound designer) stock foleys. Since when a fucking anime has the same sound fx you have heard on Saban's era Power Rangers???
>Afaik, Naruto, Shaman King and CCS were the 1st anime with SFX coming from hollywood stocks.
It doesn't lose detail. A lot of the lines are only there as delimiters for shading and highlights. When colored, that detail is still there (in the form of shading) but doesn't stand out so much because it's not an outline anymore. Our brains stop seeing that extra detail as additional shapes in the drawing and starts seeing it as giving body/volume to the existing shapes.
True, but it doesn't hold a candle to modern low budget CGI as seen here
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It's one of the best looking 70s anime at the time, the bad shots just gets memed to death
Damn moeshit looks like THIS?
There's still plenty of better looking 70s anime though.
Captain Harlock consistently has great backgrounds and a good eye for cinematography even though it hasn't aged well
Future Boy Conan is still one of the best animated TV anime even to this day and holds up visually largely due to its simple but great artstyle.
>but there's also stuff like Shingeki no Bahamut or Konosuba which are totally their own thing
You're a newfag falseflag.
Not really. It's inconsistent as hell, like most older animation.
>Why has it become more about moe shit and slice of life rather than the hero's journey or fighting for one's ideals
Part of it is that a lot of the series with adult heroic protagonists, like City Hunter itself, were actually published by shounen magazines, aimed at kids and younger teens, but after the 80s they changed almost entirely to teenager protagonists. What replaced City Hunter wasn't stuff like K-On, but rather Naruto or Gintama. I mean you post that image as soom "cool" series, but it had slapstick humor like a girl angrily swinging a giant mallet.
>Isekai was much better in the 80s and above(Dunbine and fushigi yuugi)
You realize you're mentioning shows from two different decades, right?
Saki is hardly 'moeshit'
What's wrong with Bahamut and Konosuba?
>in the 80s and above
>and above
Reading comprehension
They're popular. You have to name something a little bit less entry-level core to prove you aren't a little baby who still smells of mama's milk
How is it not moeshit?
Waifuism is just something you do in your head. Or don't do. I'm surrounded by figures and watch ALL the SoL anime, but I don't have a waifu. Waifus are 99% meme, there are some people who really have one (mostly Japanese) but everyone else is just being ironic or some shit.
Moe is also something that happens, or doesn't happen, in your head.
Anime with cute girls is as old as anime itself (see Attack No. 1 for example) and people who complain about it don't even really watch anime. They never watch any of the shit they claim to want to see, they just complain about all the things they don't want to see (waaah why are there two isekai this season, why can't I watch something else waaah the industry is oppressing me). It does not matter what the industry puts out, these clowns will never watch any of it or even acknowledge its existence unless forced to, in which case they'll dismiss all of it as shit.
Holy fuck can we stop complaining about moeshit. It was always there. The problem is too much of it. Not only CGDCT but also the male version of those
>it's inconsistent as hell, like most older animation.
Go watch any anime directed by Osamu dezaki in the 70s
People still care about Bahamut?
And even so, what does it matter? If they are good hand have unique styles then that's just how it is.
>ctr f slice of life: 13
It's probably more like two or three, and maybe double that if you include short anime. The label is tremendously misapplied.
>It's one of the best looking 70s anime at the time
>one of the best
Pay more attention
Do you even know what moeshit means?
Why is there so much reused animation and why are the characters off-model all the time??
It's a meaningless buzzword thrown around by people who hate anime that revolves around cute or attractive girls.
y tf would you want less women in anime?
the 80s imo just had more high quality waifus
Nobody does. You can call anything moeshit and then make any claims you want about it. For example:
>Wow, Princess Principal is some moeshit where literal toddlers sit around giggling and eating cake and they show their panties, what the fuck went wrong with anime where is my Cowboy Beep Boop
Moeshit =/= moe
Moe = Emotion
Moeshit = Anime I don't like
>implying theres a contradiction there
Proof?
Not him but I just want less CGDCT
The oldies had it easier.
Who even complains about CGDCT in the 2010s? You're over a decade late, the genre peaked in quantity and popularity in the mid-00s.
We actually get between 2-4 proper CGDCT anime per season now, compared to back then where they could take up 80% of a season.
You just proved my point, reddit newfags. His question is not worth answering. Besides, no chance in hell I'm gonna spoonfeed you fags this kinda basic shit.
>the genre peaked in quantity in the mid-00s.
Only a k-on loving retard would think this.
There's already only two or three SoL anime per season. Just don't watch them.
No it doesn't look like shit, in fact it looks amazing.
Everything is moving around all the time unlike modern slideshow fest "action" shows.The pacing is great, the mecha designs, the characters, the soundtrack are all iconic.
Gundam 79 is among the best anime ever made.
The sole fact that you are using that webm shows that you never watched the show.
Stop talking about something you clearly know nothing about. There was far more CGDCT anime in the 2000s than there are in the 2010s.
It's ironic that you bring up K-On, because the genre just seemed to drop-off in quantity immediately after K-On was over.
For all intents and purposes, the 2000s was the CGDCT decade.
>Why is there so much reused animation
I don't think you and I watched the same series if you think there's too much re-used animation
>why are the characters off-model all the time??
>Posts an on-model image
You're forgetting the male variant of it. But yea there's less this season. Also why are there so many variants of idol shows
30 years later and people still bitch about how anime is now full of 'moe shit' and not like the good old days.
Japs just love idols, they've been intertwined with anime since the early 80s.
The male variant? Like what?
Watch any scene where a character is playing tennis again. Odds are their shoes will vanish, the same cut of them running or returning the ball will be shown multiple times, or a character will suddenly be 3 times their normal height.
Cast full of hot guys doing action things. With no girls in sight
Nice bait
Then it's an action series, not SoL.
i wouldnt care if they still made anime of the same quality that we had in the 80/90s/early00s as well as the same ugly, cookie cutter isekai/moe/slice of life shit they are making now. but thats literally 99% of what we have.
and i fucking hate the use of CG they keep using now it completely takes me out of the story/moment of any anime i am watching
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>Odds are their shoes will vanish, the same cut of them running or returning the ball will be shown multiple times, or a character will suddenly be 3 times their normal height.
A good portion of the things you said didn't happen though the shoes did dissappear.
that looks shit m8
There's a couple of isekai and a couple of SoL anime per season, and if you think SoL anime is ugly then it means you've never even seen any.
Oka is looking pretty hot at 17:34
>get hit by ball
Oh right, I almost forgot why I dropped it.
How can older anime animation compete?
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People get injured sometimes when playing sports, shocking I know. There's no need to be such a little bitch.
1. They are cheap to make, which is ideal since most anime doesn't actually get popular with normies in Japan anyways
2. "hero's journey" and "fight for one's ideals" are such broad concepts, they really don't mean anything. Battle harems, isekai, and average shounen fit your definition of anime. Like those just basic storytelling formulas man and they often get mixed in with waifuism anyways.
Waste of talent
>They are cheap to make
They would be if animation worked the same way that live action does. SoL anime actually has better than average production quality. And if you didn't mean SoL but anything that is "moe," then how's this for "cheap":
sakugabooru.com
a couple every season is way too many wtf are you talking about and its more than a couple. there are a handful of good slice of life anime that also look good and even less isekai animes that do so. the rest are absolute trash and look exactly the same with low quality animations and character design. boring
It's not too many because of how many anime there are every season, and SoL anime has better than average production quality.
After painstakingly going through the list of every anime made in the past 20 years I've concluded there were not more CGDCT anime in the 2000s than the 2010s so fuck you nigger
Yeah but when the only way to make it seem intense and interesting is have someone get hit by a ball and cry then that's kinda boring
They do get a disproportionate amount of attention among anime fans.
I meant sol/harem anime, which can be made cheaper than something like what you posted. Yes there are sol series that look good and get an actual budget, but a lot of harem/sol stuff comes out every season because they can be made on a cheaper budget than an action series. You don't need great, or even good animation to make a passable or good romcom or sol anime imo.
It's just that producers stopped taking risks due to Japan's stagnant economy. Every form of media from Japan has gone down the shitter except vidya because west has moved on to cinema games and as such a significant gap has formed for Japan to fill in.
It's not a budget issue, and SoL anime has better than average production quality like I said. An action series isn't going to automatically look good. Action series can be done shittily. Compare Hitoribocchi and Shoumetsu Toshi this season; the former looks very nice while the latter is a production disaster right from the start.
It's hardly the producers' fault that you refuse to watch things, and the anime industry is posting record profits every year.
Then you're lying. Or you're lumping non-CGDCT (slapstick comedy with cute girls, plot-heavy shows with cute girls, mahou shoujo etc) in with CGDCT..
Feel free to look through the data yourself.
I have.
The Japs discovered what sells in the west. We did this. We decided waifus were more important than good stories and animation.
urusei yatsura
The overwhelming majority of Westerners want shows like OPM and SnK and refuse to go even near anything that seems "moe."
And I guess you think Shoujo Kageki Revue Starlight didn't have a good story or good animation, because """"""""""""waifus."""""""""""""""
The closest think we got to manime in a while was Megalo box.
Yeah, but that's the part of the westerners that don't buy shit.
That's the overwhelming mass of Western anime viewers. And they do stream anime.
Its the other way around, most of Yea Forums probably buys very little compared to the amount they consume. Most of the people I know cite moe as pretty much the reason they avoid anime
Anime will never be mainstream if Japan doesn't start to make non otaku anime.
Japan has always made non otaku anime, retard.
They're already making that and have always been making that, and anime already is mainstream. Problem solved, I guess.
We are Moe. Lower your shields and surrender your manime. We will add your robots and manly distinctiveness to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile.
I only know aot
It's not
You are a stupid monkey with no self awareness
Ok, so Ghibli, Your Name, Conan, One Piece, Dragon Ball, Pokemon, Pretty Cure, Sailor Moon, Evangelion etc. are not mainstream in Japan according to you.
Sazae-san has been ongoing since the '60s and it's the most mainstream anime.
don't flatter yourself
Around 1980's.