>Clan helped build the village >Was discriminated against for a disaster they had no part of >Cornered into one section of the village so the elites could keep tabs on them >Elites genocide them anyway >The majority of the village turns a blind eye and takes full advantage of the pain of the Uchiha >Elites feed the villagers lies about his brother and they believe it >Spent his entire life wanting to murder his only kin because of said lies
Tell me how he literally wasn’t right for wanting to destroy the Leaf. He was the good guy all along.
How did the Hyuga clan gain so much prestige in the village when they weren't shown to have anything to do with its foundation?
Henry Walker
Because they weren't homicidal maniacs that could go crazy at a moments notice.
Samuel Reyes
All the Uchiha had to do was lose their superiority complex and fall in line like the rest of the clans did. But instead, they opted for revolt and were thus justifiably punished.
Jackson Reyes
They put seals on their own clan that could fry their brains.
Aaron Garcia
>Pushed to the outskirts of the village by the Hokage to be the "police force". >It's fucking plain as the day that this Hokage in particular as prejudice towards the Uchiha clan. >They helped found the village and yet they have to operate outside of it and along with the fact none of are allowed to be Hokage.
It doesn't take a superiority complex to know there was bullshit flying around. It was outright segregation.
Jackson Harris
>Clan helped build the village They helped fond it but lots of clans helped to build it. >Was discriminated against for a disaster they had no part of It was done by a Uchiha making the leaders suspicious. No one had any idea of MAdara and Obito. >Cornered into one section of the village so the elites could keep tabs on them After a massive terrorist attack it makes sense to keep an eye on the only clan that could have done it. >Elites genocide them anyway Itachi went with Danzou's plan. He could have held out till the end but even he didn't trust his clan. >The majority of the village turns a blind eye and takes full advantage of the pain of the Uchiha They died and had their honor untarnished by their planned betrayal. >Elites feed the villagers lies about his brother and they believe it They said he killed his clan. Guess what. He did. >Spent his entire life wanting to murder his only kin because of said lies He literally followed the instructions Itachi himself left for him.
Sasuke Suffered because he refused to move on despite every opportunity presenting itself. He let his anger lead every badguy in the series to take advantage of his naivety.
Jonathan Smith
>>Pushed to the outskirts of the village by the Hokage to be the "police force" IIRC that's because he knew how dangerous the sharingan was and wasn't going to harm the rest of the village. >>It's fucking plain as the day that this Hokage in particular as prejudice towards the Uchiha clan He personally fought them for years with his clan and knew what they were capable of better than anyone else. >>They helped found the village and yet they have to operate outside of it and along with the fact none of are allowed to be Hokage. It doesn't matter if they helped found the village, if the Hokage can't trust you because you have a tendency of being a homicidal piece of shit with a grossly overpowered ocular jutsu then he will deal with you accordingly.
Liam Cooper
None of the problems would have happened if the uchihas didn’t exist. Tobirama was right
Andrew Sanchez
fucking move on from having not just your family, but your entire community murdered in front of you? by your own brother? i dont think you understand the enormity of his experience. you would not get over that easily.
Daniel Ward
Maybe if the uchiha did that they wouldn't be all dead.
Of course not, he's a neet on Yea Forums that doesn't know how to put himself in someone else's shoes
Kayden Gonzalez
Exactly. They took steps to keep themselves in check. You don't let a rabid dog run free.
Elijah Young
1/6 the deal with the latter half of shippuden, esp during kage summit, is that sasuke’s quest for vengeance is constantly portrayed as something irrational, and then subsequently, his desire to hold culpable the perpetrators for the massacre against his clan is seen as the actions of a mad man. and then his desire to completely upheave the system is also seen as something that can only come from a place of hatred, and darkness, and madness, and etc etc. fandom generally agrees with this view, and most people think that sasuke should have just forgiven konoha for the massacre of his clan much earlier. and this is, i think, where i disagree with a lot of people. for a lot of reasons.
Asher James
By move on I mean to not allow his hate to control every decision he made. He was willing to kill just innocent people just to slate his anger. He lost any honor in his path and simply became an animal.
The thing is the manga never looked down on vengence. Instead it looked down on people that would sacrifice everything for it.
If you mean I don't self insert like a fuck wit your 100% right.
Sebastian Robinson
2/6 i’m not saying that you hate genocide victims if you don’t like sasuke—don’t like him, like him. i don’t give a shit. but this is my attempt——to explain why, fundamentally, i disagree with kishimoto’s nationalistic writing of naruto and why sasuke being put down as someone whose ideas of justice and vengeance are misguided simply do not make any sense to me. disclaimer though: i don’t think kishi’s that smart, and at its core, naruto is just a shonen. pretty shittily written, but with some really compelling relationships written, but still: shonen. i don’t think kishi, when he put pen to paper decided that “i’m going to write a story about nationalism and why seeking justice, vengeance, and holding people accountable—even if the people responsible are the government or the village itself—is wrong and revolution is always wrong” i think he just wanted to write “friendship! peace! lets all hold hands and sing kumbaya!” but we’re still here. whether he intended to or not, masashi kishimoto did write a story about why going against your country, your government, even if they officially sanctioned a massacre on your clan to prevent a coup, is bad. everything that sasuke embodies—revolution, justice, vengeance—is supposed to be seen as bad. his refusal to give in to the desires of his friends—who want him to give up his quest for vengeance—is supposed to make us think it’s bad. and he succeeds! obviously! it’s naruto’s story!
Jeremiah Kelly
>How dare random Konoha villagers not know of my brothers sacrifice! They deserve to die for the crime of laughing!
3/6 and genuinely i cannot even begin to agree with any of this. yes, i think sasuke should have gone after itachi to seek some sort of closure as to why his brother killed his clan—but i also think naruto and sakura and kakashi should have offered to help instead of trying to dissuade him. actually no kakashi should have helped idg why the dude was like “ya shikamaru i’ll help u get your revenge” but to sasuke he was like “no revenge bad yes i know your brother killed your mom, your dad, your cousins, your grandparents, that little kitty you liked to pet but revenge bad now i tie you to this tree ok silly? kakashi out” but anywhoooooo we’re not here for that. my main issue will and always will be as to why kishimoto wanted sasuke’s desire for revolution and change and so on and so forth to always look bat-fucking-shit insane.
Xavier Rodriguez
>doesn't self insert to understand how a character feels >instead thinks that his opinion as a literal outsider in a world where you eat fast food and troll on the internet has any weight whatsoever
literal mongoloid
Sebastian Turner
4/6 i don’t get why he was so eager to make it look irrational, why the uchiha clan massacre was built literally on fucking eugenics, why kishimoto looked at this and thought, “yes…a group of people that is genetically predisposed to be evil and sidelined and oppressed and shit and YES i will have them all massacred and if sasuke wants to see any sort of justice happen well tough luck because revenge BAD”. i cannot buy it! i cannot! i don’t understand how i’m supposed to see like, this genocide survivor, and his desperation for justice and to change the world, and think he’s evil! i know other people are doing great it, but fundamentally i empathize with him too much to disagree with him except when he’s like, i don’t know, trying to kill people. and even then, there’s a direct correlation—revenge=violence on bystanders. the message here is clear, even if kishi didn’t intend it; regardless of how much hurt you’ve suffered because you were part of a group of people that were unjustly treated, you must never seek responsibility.
William Cox
5/6 and it is such a jarringly despondent message, such a painful thing to hear, or realize, even implicitly, among all the talks of peace and love and understanding. in boruto, nobody is held culpable for the massacre—especially not konoha, nor the elders. nothing has changed. sasuke is now “good” because he turned over a new leaf and stoned and said nah fuck the revolution (: and it hurts, too, because so many people buy into it. it’s fiction, obviously, but this sort of thing is what influences people. makes them thing, yes, genocide is perfectly fine if the group being massacred is “evil”. if they’re inferior, genetically. there are twitter threads and stuff going around about how the uchihas deserves to be murdered, every single one of them. it’s fiction, of course it is, but this sort of thing is also very harmful and very hurtful to read. there is no happy ending—it’s hopelessly bleak. sasuke’s desire for justice or change to the hokage system is never realized, because he accepted naruto’s ideals. don’t change the status quo—change yourself, for the sake of peace. and that’s the underlying message of naruto, isnt it? give everything up, even justice, even your life, for the sake of peace for a village that doesn’t really give a shit about you.
John Murphy
6/6 and that’s why i feel so, so, badly for sasuke. i empathize with him—he’s a genocide survivor, looking for responsibility from people who act like that whatever they did was completely and utterly justified—which was essentially ethnic cleansing in the name of peace. shoutout to naruto for inadvertedly being nationalist propaganda
Thomas Kelly
are you of semitic origin
Henry Perez
Tobirama did nothing wrong. The Uchiha deserved to be massacred
it's almost as if the writing in that series was atrociously bad or something
Carter Parker
It's Madara's fault. He wanted to stage a coup because he was butthurt his whole family was dead but Hashirama's brother got to live, but no other Uchiha wanted the coup because life was good and that fucked up relations in the village when Madara left. Madara doing that made life not so good and caused tension that actually justifies a coup.
Benjamin Garcia
That is shit OP yeah. But what is even worse is this nigga right here goes from biggest threat / villain to sudden ally for no reason. If you're gonna be mad, be mad at this.
i enjoyed your rant user and i agree, there should definitely have been a more nuanced discussion in the show kishi wanted to have "edgy", "adult" things happen and have ninja be all brutal and emotionless, but kinda copped out and made the moral the complete opposite of that. no nuance at all, just good times
Jason Gray
when was he an ally? didnt he just die
Joshua Butler
Anybody with a functional brain realizes Sasuke's solution was more grounded in reality than Naruto's. That's the good thing about the series. There is no true badguy. Everybody has a valid motif to do what they do and there is no right and wrong. Even Danzo's actions were justified. Unlike garbage like One Piss, where people are just evil for the sake of being evil.
Hudson Richardson
I'm pretty sure he is scientist or something in Boruto
Oliver Harris
Shows how forgiving Konoha can be if you apologize and stop. But nooooo, Uchicha gotta be special and never let go of their grudges.
i thought sasuke becoming a good guy was a bit much, but orochimaru becoming good is batshit insane
Carson Wright
It's pretty obvious why.
Villain while a threat Tool while not a threat
By the time Naruto knew sage mode, Orochimaru stopped being a threat to the village. By the time Sasuke and Naruto got their Sot6P chakra, Orochimaru turned into literal fodder like the rest of the characters. Why'd he even attempt to do anything at that point? He'd be fucking dead in an instant.
what is it with the uchiha and weird forearm-only pieces of clothing?
Lucas Young
>"We believe an Uchiha is behind it" >"How dare you, we won't put up with your inquiries" >An Uchiha is behind it >"We're going to take down the government" Uchiha are scum
Aaron Brooks
protection from fire jutsu.
Thomas Richardson
>Have a clan full of people that get more powerful when they become edgelords >treat them therefore like shit so they become edgelords >said edgdelords now are a threat to the whole village powered by their edge caused by your actions The 2nd Hokage really was the greatest idiot of them all.
Joshua Gomez
Sasuke apologized too. And guess what, he gets to roam free, have a family in Konoha.
If Madara had swallowed his pride there wouldn't have been a problem.
Oliver Nelson
Tobirama is not Naruto.
Jeremiah Powell
Yeah, but Tobirama is also weak so he can't choose. Madaram Hashirama and Naruto could easily kill him. He has no leg to stand on.
Brandon Reed
>reposting the same thing in two different threads
Adam Brown
Madara left before Tobirama was in charge. Madara antagonized other villages and escalated hostilities with people Hashirama were trying to make peace with.
Madara was thrown out by his own clan because they saw his actions were leading to distrust and anger between the clan and the village. So what does he do? He sets up his own clan to look like villains to fuel resentments between the clan and the village. He literally proved they were right to not trust him to lead the clan. If they had killed him (or Hashirama had) the war between Senju and Uchiha would be over.
Kayden Rivera
The leaf, Israel Uchihas, Palestina
Alexander Turner
Sounds like the hyuuga aren’t strong enough to kill their own clan members. Pussies.
Ayden Myers
Don't need to kill your own clan members when they sacrifice themselves willingly.
Julian Cruz
Naratu isn't right or wrong. It is about ninja Jesus.
Isaac Rivera
>He and Kabuto both got away with everything
Isaiah Walker
Uchiha corpses should be publicly displayed and burn't
Isaac Edwards
>Uchiwa create village
Senjew did
>Discriminated
Because of their viciousness
-Madara/Obito who try to destroy the village/kill Hashirama and then make war to the whole world
-Itachi who hated his own clan
-Sasuke is unironically the best Uchiwa and even then he still Sasuke
>Elite lied
Outside of lies the villager hated the Uchiwa so much they're was indifferent to their disappearances
Sasuke rules, it sucks the way he was treated as a character.
Noah Ross
How's SasuSaku doing so far?
Julian Clark
sakura raped sasuke in his sleep.
Zachary Jenkins
I like how Danzo had to be created so Sarutobi wouldn't be an automatic shit-tier Hokage. The stuff about letting Naruto grow up an orphan ostracized by his own village was bad enough.
Leo Reed
There's a reason why there's more than two of them.
